nice shirt, skip. thanks for watching us tonight. megyn is next. please always remember the spin stops here because looking out for you. breaking tonight, round two between the commander in chief and our most trusted military general. welcome to the kelly file, everyone, i'm megyn kelly. general martin dempsey is by law the highest ranking officer in the u.s. military. today in a senate hearing on the white house plan to defeat isis, he seemed to go against one of the president's biggest promises, suggesting that u.s. boots on the ground in iraq could be a very real possibility. >> my view at this point is that this coalition is the appropriate way forward. i believe that will prove true. but if it fails to be true and if there are threats to the united states, then i, of

course, would go back to the president and make a recommendation that may include the use of u.s. military ground forces. >> just hours later the white house was clarifying general dempsey's remarks emphatically. saying that he was, quote, referring to a hypothetical scenario, that he and the president are on the same page, then came a clarification directly from the pentagon. general dempsey's remarks did not amount to a, quote, discussion of employing u.s. ground combat units in iraq. got it. this is not the first time the general has been caught singing a very different tune from the white house. back in august he contradicted president obama by suggesting that the terror army isis does pose an immediate threat to the u.s. homeland. >> the immediacy is in the number of europeans and other nationalities who have come to the region to become part of that ideology. some point. because of open borders and

immigration issues, it's an immediate threat. >> the administration walked back those remarks as well. saying general dempsey didn't actually mean that either. so why is the president so defensive on this? perhaps it has something to do with this. >> we will not be sending u.s. troops back into combat in iraq. american combat troops will not be returning to fight in iraq. i've been very clear that we're not going to have u.s. combat troops in iraq again. american combat troops will not be returning to fight in iraq. it will not involve american combat troops fighting on foreign soil. chief white house correspondent ed henry has more on this from washington. >> reporter: good evening, megyn. white house officials are stressing that general dempsey was just laying out options that are not needed now. they say military leaders always stress that if circumstances change, so will their recommendations to the president. but the run-up to this war has been full of mixed messages.

today's hearing raised new questions about whether the white house and the pentagon are on the same page. despite the president repeatedly promising the american people he will not send ground troops to iraq or syria, general dempsey left the jar slight today. he gave a specific example that if iraqi forces have the chance to take back the key city of mosul, he said flatly he would recommend to the president that he send in ground troops to make sure that those combat forces could help take back that important city, take it back from the isis terrorists. under questioning from republican kelly iyad, dempsey went further and said that he thinks the president might even change his mind about ground troops if presented with such a scenario. this is obviously raising questions because the president did not mention the fact that dempsey said the president told him in private he would look at requests for ground troops on a case by case basis. the president didn't mention that kind of exception when he addressed the american people and the world in primetime last

week. bottom line is the president tomorrow will be in tampa at u.s. central command meeting with general austin getting briefings on the situation on the ground in iraq and syria, a chance for the president to clear all of this up. >> ed henry, thank you. with polls showing the president's handling of foreign policy at an all-time low, one senior white house official last night spoke to fox news on background saying it is not necessarily the president's policy that are the problem here, it's just the number of crises we face around the world. brit hume is our fox news political analyst. the response of the administration seems to be the people are upset with the president not because of anything the president has done. they are upset because isis has grown and syria is a mess and iraq is now a mess and this is completely unrelated in their view to anything barack obama has done. >> well, it's the official who was speaking to our ed henry

meant that presidents inevitably get the credit when things are going well in the country and the world and inevitably get the blame when they're not, that's a perfectly fair point. if he means by that, however, that the public basically does not hold the president responsible really for the situation in the world today, i think that's a dubious proposition because these developments in the middle east in particular and elsewhere in the world as well are the very kinds of things barack obama said he would not bring about, that they wouldn't happen. in fact, megyn, as you recall and have pointed out, he's the one that said his very election would so change the atmosphere in the world that when people in the middle east in particular saw him reaching out to muslim and to the muslim world that that would change things right then and there. not to mention all the wondrous things that he said he'd be doing going forward and reaching out and trying to find common ground and so on. and was going to have a -- hit the reset button with russia and all the rest of it.

none of that is panning out very well at the moment. and the idea that people don't trace this back to him i think is fanciful. >> we need to get out of iraq immediately with no troops. the he didn't and now we're in a mess. we're setting red lines for syria, when they don't, we'll bomb syria, then he doesn't. they're sensing he made decisions that had consequences and he gets out there with flourish and eloquence makes an argument that seems to be accepted by so many people as, oh, okay, there's been no inconsistency. i want to read you a quote by victor davis hanson on the national review online today. look at this. declaring the islamic state a jayvee force only to upgrade it later, deprecating the syrian free army as a fantasy of inexperienced professionals then counting on it for support or suggesting that we are at war and not at war. there's no need for consistency

in judgment given that the press will largely ignore the contradictions. in short he i wrs teleprompted rhetoric with plenty of let me be perfectly clear emphatics can sound enough like a foreign policy that enough americans will believe something is being done while the crisis naturally abates. >> well, i think that's an expression of what maybe wishful thinking on -- i know that's not how victor hanson feels about it, but look, megyn, these things that have happened in the contradictions between what he said before and what he's saying now are pretty glaring. i mean, you really see it. look, politicians back and fill and change positions and so on, and sometimes circumstances change and they should. but in this situation we're talking about things that happened over a month. a month ago, it was a fantasy that these syrian rebels could carry the fight to seriously in

syria and could have helped to topple assad. now they're going to be the shock troops, the infantry of the battle to defeat isis which has overrun part of syria and now iraq. >> trained iraqi security forces put koun their weapons and ran, but the doctors and lawyers who he said that's a fantasy to think they can do it, go for it. >> they're our best troops. these things are glaring. i don't think they've gone unnoticed in the rest of the media either. they're just too clear and too vivid for that to be the case. i think people are noticing it and, look, it's reflected in the president's -- it is reflected in people's view of his handling of foreign policy but also reflected in his overall approval rating. which they're bumping along near their all-time lows. things are going very badly for this president at this time. if the situation in the world imoves, yes, his rating on those things will improve. but that's not the trajectory at

the moment. >> it's amazing when you see the sound bite, the two of them up against each other, the president over and over and over, can we run it? do we have time. just watch it. >> we'll not be sending u.s. troops back into combat in iraq american combat troops will not be returning to fight in iraq. i've been very clear that we won't have u.s. combat troops in iraq again. american combat troops will not be returning to fight in iraq. it will not involve american combat troops fighting on foreign soil. >> if we reached the point where i believe our advisers should ray company iraq troops on attacks against specific isil targets, i'll recommend that to the president. >> that's pretty stark, britt. >> in a way, megyn, it is. but we know ta other national security advisers have urged the president differently on a number of fronts. the president has rejected their advice. >> and that is actually we're

taking up with mark teesen right after this. >> i'm just saying if you look at what general dempsey said today, that's not surprising. that does not in any way mean that when it gets down to it that he asks for more troops and you know he said advisers, that the president will agree to that. he's indisposed to do that. he thinks american troops are likely to make things worse. that's a core belief of his. >> thank you. >> you bet. >> president obama's top military adviser was also grilled today in a column by mark teesen asking whether this president is listening to his military commanders. the general's answer and mark teesen here next. the doj just indicting an upstate new york man tore plotting to kill u.s. troops inside america. and coming up, a woman already facing a death threat for speaking up issues a bold challenge on the threat of radical islam. she has a critical message just ahead. >> muslim students association

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state could have been stopped. where did you come down on that debate, general dempsey, at that point? >> well, actually, senator, as you know, we don't debate anything in the military. we provide options -- >> discussion. >> and let our elected officials make their decisions. it's well known that all military leaders felt we needed to leave residual force in iraq. >> that was republican senator roger wicker today questioning the chairman of the joint chiefs. the senator quoting a new column that calls the president out for ignoring the advice of his generals including general dempsey who said the u.s. should keep troop in iraq. now the president is reportedly ignoring their advice again in the fight against isis. mark thiessen is the author of the column referenced. he's also the former chief speech writer to president george w. bush. what a moment today hearing your own column quoted to the chairman of the joint chiefs and he backed you up, mark. >> he did, absolutely. he said that all the generals,

all the military leaders thought that we should have left troops in iraq, they gave that advice to president obama, he rejected it. the result is the rise of isis. he confirmed that general austin has requested before and advised the president that we needed special operations troops on the ground to fight isis and that that request was denied as well. so the president -- you have to feel for general austin. here's a guy, a great general who dedicated his life to the military and he gave the president great advice he keeps getting overruled. he doesn't want to be vindicated. he wants victory. >> but not just general austin and not just these two incidents. if you speak with the generals in the know, they'll tell you to a man that this president has not listened to the general to advise him. he thinks in political terms, not military terms which makes you wonder how this war against isis is likely to play out. >> it's not likely to play out well because he's not listening

to the advice of his military commanders and he's not learning from his mistakes. one thing you have to do as a president is learn from your mistakes. in the 1970s jimmy carter learned from his mistakes when the soviet union invaded afghanistan. george bush learned from his mistakes when he launched the surge. he realized the strategy wasn't working and he was changing course. president obama doesn't learn and change course. >> but maybe he believes genuinely and can get it done with these limited advisers on the ground who will be helping others in connection with our air strikes. 500 to 1500. >> but that's something that he's saying he won't do, which is actually putting them in combat situations. >> how many would be need? >> we'd probably need several thousand special operations forces. to have several thousand special operations forces according to ken kagan and kimberly kagan who just published a paper on this, you need about 25,000 troops to support them. what you do, very similar to

what we did when we liberated afghanistan. you send in special operations forces to link up with the local forces service forward air controllers and help them take out those positions. >> those are big numbers. that will be tough to swallow for this white house. so the -- fred and kimberly kagan who marc mentioned those are the numbers behind the surge in iraq. we're talking 24,000 u.s. troops on the ground. >> that's quite a lot. that's more than the residual force that generals at the time were calling for, so in a way, they're also calling for a little bit of a mini surge to defeat isis on the ground in iraq, which, you know, exsidcee

the recommendations. >> britt was making the point before we ended with him, dempsey said today if we need them i'll go to the president and tell him that we need him. the president is saying we'll hear him out. we don't have ground troops we'll hear him out. it doesn't suggest that the president has the appetite nor does the american public frankly, for sending troops back to iraq. but any scenario that you see we'll send 24,000 troops back to iraq? >> this is a trick, megyn. listening carefulily to your setup, you laid out the history really well. but there's no logical consistency between what the president has said, which is there's no commitment or strategy that would involve the deployment of american ground troops and what general dempsey said today which is, yes, of course -- he even used the phrase, of course, if it called for it he would recommend to the president the use of ground troops. if isis got a nuclear weapon, of course, they would make

recommendations that would boggle the minds of the american people right now. there's a nimbleness or a flexibility of the recommendations that the generals and the military brass. there's no inconsistency there. republicans would like to paint the president as a hypocrite but that doesn't fly. >> i think it caught attention because the white house was so immediately defensive on general dempsey's comments. it sounded more defensive in tone. that's what people seized upon. but as i pointed out myself, they seem to be saying, no, not now, but possibly in the future. my question is in what numbers? because he has a history of ignoring the recommendations of those who are on the ground. last answer. >> we don't know that he ignores it. as the boss -- >> yes, we do. we just heard general dempsey tell us he does. >> no, we heard general dempsey say he made recommendations and the president took advice from all sorts of people, the military, diplomats. >> he said the president doesn't listen to his generals. he said well known that all the generals thought that we should leave the troops behind and the

president didn't do it. >> that's been known for years. general dempsey says there's no military solution to fighting isis. >> but don't tell me the president doesn't listen to generals because he doesn't. that's according to the chairman of the joint chiefs. >> he doesn't take their recommendations. but that doesn't=mh mean he doet listen to them. >> my 4-year-old says i'm listening, i just don't think you're ideas are very good. my son's father, my husband, is going to be on the program in a bit. and we're also getting new details tonight on the claim that allies of hillary clinton tried to scrub some damaging documents on benghazi. that's next. plus exclusive inside look at what happens when the world's most powerful terrorist group comes to town. this is fascinating. >> some of the buildings they took over are painted black. this is to be an isis police station. this church was turned into an islamic center. and isis blew this shrine up because it was built for shia

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say what his perspective was. and i deserve the right to ask who else was pretty. >> gowdy is responding to allegations published earlier this week that raymond maxwell, a former deputy assistant secretary of state has firsthand information about an effort in the fall of 2012 to scrub the benghazi documents of damaging information that would implicate then-secretary of state hillary clinton and her close aides. but a senior democrat says he's puzzled by the new allegations. >> maxwell was interviewed by our committee, the oversight of government reform committee, he was called as a witness and he never talked about this. he had plenty of opportunities to do it. >> the republican chairman also says they found[nfor overwhelmi evidence that benghazi was a preplanned and premeditated terrorist attack and he hinted in strong terms that susan rice who blames an obscure anti-muslim video on the talk shows and michael morel who edited the talking points will

be called as witnesses. >> when you were given an opportunity to pick between choice "a" and choice "b," you always seem to pick the scenario that was most favorable to the administration. why? ra and why were you concerned about not shedding the state department in a negative light? >> today democrats on the select committee unveiled a new website and research page designed to debunk the story. they're gearing up to shield mrs. clinton from any potential fallout. >> breaking tonight, the feds announcing a big indictment against this new york man for trying to recruit americans to wage jihad. and plotting to kill soldiers on u.s. soil. we'll have more for you on that. plus a big challenge to moderate muslims insisting now is the time to take a bold stand. her speech and the fallout, next. >> if islam is a religion of peace, why does saudi arabia

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from the world headquarters of fox news, it's "the kelly file" with megyn kelly. >> a woman who has been an outspoken critic of radical islam, ayaan hirsi ali, was vit to speak. he said the muslim student association tried to get her canceled. they were not successful. and here is some of what ms. ali said. >> i want to end my presentation tonight with a few questions for the muslim students of yale and hopefully in this age of technology, beyond. i want to ask you why do you

find energy, resources, time and solidarity to silence the reformers and dissidents of islam. why don't you direct all that energy to expelling the preaching teacher who has infiltrated yourlrahj homes, yo streets, your neighborhoods, your mosques, your schools and muslim centers. muslim students association of yale, you live in a time when muslims are at a crossroads. every single day there is a headline that forces the muslim individual to choose between his conscience and his creed. the muslim world is on fire. and those fans the fire are using your called creed, with every atrocity they commit, they

remind the muslim of his commitment to submit to allah. will you submit passively or actively or will you finally stand up to allah. thank you. >> rich lazardo is a senior at yale and>1oa president of the buckley program. you invited her. now the muslim student association is saying we never demanded she be canceled. we just wanted an additional speaker. >> right. they never formally asked for a cancellation. this was only a meeting that one of the student representatives had with me. >> and she said what she wanted to happen? >> she issued her concerns and she said that she would be very hurt and her community would be very hurt and she asked me if i would reconsider having ms. ali speak with us. >> you wanted her gone. then they said we wanted an additional speaker because that's free speech. if you like free speech, the answer is more speech not less.

>> correct. >> why didn't you do that? >> we thought that that's not actually expanding free speech. they can have their own event if they would like to, but we weren't going to do something disrespectful to ms. ali and change the event. thou they thought she didn't have the credentials to speak on islam. >> this is a woman subjected to genital mute ilation. she has all the badges of the worst parts of islam but she's been a fierce critic of islam. a death sentence was issued against her. someone she made a film with was murdered. a fat wa was issued. and she's been followed because of her outspokenness. some in the muslim community want to silence her voice. >> last night was a fantastic lecture. a packed event. we had to turn away over 100

people because we didn't have room to seat her. >> did they cheer her, did they boo her? >> she got three standing ovations. >> rich, thank you for telling your story. >> thanks for having me. >> also joining us tonight national spokesperson for ama dhea muslim community usa. tackling the tough questions. good to see you again tonight. >> good to see you, thanks. >> your thoughts on what ayaan's message was, that the muslim world is on fire and those using it are using your core creed to do so. will you stand up to their demand that you submit to allay? >> i want to dpin by saying the record straight. i agree with rich, your guest, about the absolute necessity about protecting freedom of speech. i defend her right to speak and don't support any calls for her event to be canceled. an entire chapter of my book is dedicated to a detailed analysis

of speech. >> they're after her. they don't like her out there offering her views. >> now, of course, although i do find it surprising that a student group at a prestigious institution like yale would bring a speaker who has on record called for the military conquest and defoet of muslims. >> what? so now it's yale's fault. it's rich's fault. he's still here. >> obviously, you know that's not what i said. i said it's surprising that they would call for someone to speak who had called for the military conquest of muslims. but for me what's more troubling goes to your first question is that she speaks about and espouses a dangerous interpretation of islam that not only runs contrary to the teachings of islam but validates radicals. >> but that's your view. that's your view. >> which is why -- >> does she not get to opine and say what she thinks about islam, about radical islam, about islam

having undergone whatf=80 she ? >> well, i think -- i guess i have to say a third time that i do defend her right to hold those views and to speak on those views. >> but you're criticizing the university for inviting her. she can speak as long as she wants as long as there's no forum for it. >> instead of supporting a version of islam we the largest single muslim community worldwide. >> we would listen to her as long as she says it in the way we want. >> look at what we do. >> do you hear yourself? we want her to speak as long as she says the words we want. that's what you are saying. let me just apologize because i still have rich here. he's critical of you for inviting her. >> we thought it was very unfair for brandeis to disinvite her, it was disrespectful and that her views merit an academic

setting. >> look, we've had a lot, obviously, in the news about radical islamists. i'm not saying the muslims. the radical islamists. >> that distinguishes you from ayaan hirsi ali. >> that's fine. >> i'm not defending that -- >> her right to offer her views. >> likewise. i'm so glad rich invited her. >> no, you're not. you're being sarcastic. >> i'm not. >> when you undergo genital mutilation you may have a thing or two to say about it. >> i'm not lying, i'm glad they invited her. >> you're glad that they invited her, then you said that you were not glad. >> no come on. >> then you said she shouldn't be given the forum. yes, you did. >> the bottom line for us is as muslims who are seeking to reform muslims we agree absolutely on near everything in the statement on the need for reforming the muslim action around the world. when she talks about the oppression of women, when she

talks about shariah and jihad, we're right there. not just lately, for 125 years the community under the leadership of our spiritual leader -- >> i'm not questioning you. >> that's what i'm saying, the only thing i take exception with her, not her views. she's gone through traumatic experiences. when she said that is islam. well, that is those muslims and we're muslims. >> i get the -- all right, hello. now it's my turn. i got it. but just as you have been given a forum here onu so say what you want to say, ayaan hirsi ali deserves to say what she thinks. >> i'm glad we agree. >> without having you say it was inappropriate for them to give her a forum and without the muslim student association repeatedly trying to silence her. >> we'll never try to silence anyone. we want to respond to speech with our speech. >> thank you, rich, thanks to you as well. breaking news about the

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announcing an indictment against an alleged home grown man -- terror plot. they're accusing a man accusing him of plotting to train isis fighters. the national security editor at the blaze.com. what exactly do they say this guy was doing? >> it's really a combination of two sides of the home grown terrorism coin. one hand you have material support. he's accused of trying to send money to individuals abroad so they could travel and wage jihad on behalf of isis. so that's the material support side. he's also accused of trying to wage his own lone wolf terrorist campaign at home. something along the lines of the ft. hood shooter. he tried to purchase firearms and silencers so he could use them against returning troops and take isis' war abroad to us here at home. >> this is a guy who is a

naturalized u.s. citizen from yemen who managed a convenience store in rochester, new york. how does this guy find himself entangled with fbi agents undercover who blew the lid off af allx this? >> this is a standard joint terrorism task force operation. they hear about this, they investigate, they open a case, then they put what they call confidential informants. this has been done. >> this is the future. >> this is what's been going on and now it's ramping up because of isis' cyber jihad. you mentioned this guy owns a convenience store. but trained jihad abroad, people he's never met. as a result of the internet. quite honestly he's also accused of being involved in using twitter to convince others to wage war in the name of islam, al qaeda. >> in addition to being a terrorist, he was stupid. he was putting his views out

there and calling attention to them. >> this is what bring to us the unsettles point, the dumb ones are the ones that get caught in these situations. there are many who won't be caught no matter how effective the fbi efforts are. there are people who are smart enough to keep their profile low, to not tweet out and share with people that they plan on waging jihad. this is an individual who brought attention to himself. they got confidential informants near him. a seven-count indictment, all carry heavy penalties. he'll probably end up in a plea deal and spending a lot of time in jail. >> and his uncle was arrested in brooklyn on terrorism charges as well. he's in jail serving 15 years. let me ask you this, he's from yemen, he's sending out these tweets. did they racially profile these guys? did they say the guy came -- by nationalities, the guy from yemen, he's accepteding out jihadist sounding talk.

i don't know if that's enough for them to get the warrants it need to be targeting like this. >> the division would do is we would hear from somebody either somebody a fellow worshiper at a mosque perhaps or even in some cases a leader who would say there's some guy saying crazy things, i'm worried, take a look at this. >> to their credit, these are muslims ratting out the radicalized muslims in their mosks and communities. >> they're listed but not named in the indictment are probably muslims talking about waging jihad alongside him. it often comes from within the community. there's no evidence of profiling here. just good work by the fbi. the dragnet is going to have holes in it. people are going to come back from abroad and that's even harder to catch than that. and try to wage the lone wolf terrorism this individual wanted to. >> more and more we're seeing of this. up next, my husband. stay tuned for that.

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well, it has been dubbed part primary colors part house of cards. a new novel out today called "the means." it's getting rave reviews and takes you inside the world of politics and news in a fascinating behind the scenes way. i'm not just saying that because my husband wrote it. douglas brunt is the best-selling author and author of "the means."

hi, babe. >> we haven't seen each other all week. >> that was something. >> that was intense. >> this is usually what we do after the show. so let's talk about "the means" which it's a great book. i've read it many times, of course, but it's genuinely getting great reviews. like a superread. a page turner. i was up many nights. how did you get into this subject? >> politics is a fascinating subject. i think the nation is more interested in politics over the last eight years than ever, but i've picked subjects with my books where i want to go behind the scenes. i think with politics and with news to some extent there's a very produced presentation that the public gets. and it's sort of this tight seamless presentation of a politician on the road. i wanted to get behind that veneer into this world. there's a whole -- when the politician's out there at the podium there's a whole team behind him working like crazy to put this polished presentation out there. i wanted to get into the crazy world and show all the different

characters that go into it and the whole machine. >> building the image. >> sort of a behind the veneer look at politics and the news. >> how did you gain access to someone in news? >> well, clearly through the years, i do come in here. my mom has gone on the fox news tour and a number of other friends, and i've done it myself. >> you talked to your mom about her tour of fox news, that's how you figured out what happens here? >> and of course, all the people on the team are friends now. when i come in, i get the chance to sit in the control room during a breaking news event. and i get to see how a news organization handles that and what's going on in the crazy madness of the control room then, but then how things get synchronized and an anchor like you, great instincts on handling breaking news, shares the same kind of instincts with your executive producer who is running the control room and everyone shifts into this short-form new language that an outside person doesn't even understand. you guys are working so fast and

putting together the tight presentations. >> there's no pleasantries in breaking news, no please and thank yous, get it wrong, get it right. there's a female character in this book. is that based on anyone we know? >> not directly. it's a composite. >> seth meyers was asking me about that, there are some racy scenes in the novel, also not based on anyone we know. >> of course that's a lot of fun when i go to 78-year-old mom's book club event and we get into the -- >> she wants you to do a reading. >> i'm going to skype in for the reading, i think. >> you're going to skip that chapter. i think that's a good idea, babe. let me talk to you about this, though, because you really do take us behind the scenes on how a man gets elected. and the question -- it's dark what they have to go through in order to attain that office. you talked to tons of people in the business, you did so much research on this.

do you think it's the process that corrupts the man or do you think men who are willing to compromise in these departments are naturally attracted to this field? >> it's hard to make a general statement about that, but it is a tough process. what i learned -- i did a lot of interviews for the book, i talked to people who run national campaigns, people who worked in the white house. >> presidential candidates. >> presidential candidates. one thing i learned is it really is, particularly with the people who work in the business of politics and who are deeply involved in this campaign, a very young man's, young woman's game. in the last 50 days of the presidential campaign, they're hitting three, four cities a day. you wake up, you do a sunrise rally, then a bus to the next city and a flight to the next city and a bus to the sundown rally. if you're in your early 30s on these campaigns, you're pretty old and then it's a burnout after that. mostly people are much younger.

my earpiece just fell out. >> the control room is not going to talk to you. if they have something to say, i'll hear about it not you. you used to run a company, ceo of an internet security firm and you decided to change your life. this is your second book. i predict this will also be a "new york times" best seller. are you happy? >> i am happy. this is a moment for us walking in central park with our newborn baby pushing in a stroller. and you turned to me and said, you don't seem happy. i wasn't. i was running a security firm. you're short tempered, you're not that happy. we had a discussion about maybe taking this leap. and i do remember at that time i had written a draft of a book. you read it, you liked it. these are group decisions. one person is going to leave a career. and i did take a leap. it's similar to the leap that you took a few years earlier from -- >> and that leap is a testament to the power of changing your life. doug, i am so nervous right now, it's not even funny.

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