that's not a cretin. different spelling. again, thanks for watching us tonight. ms. megyn is up next. i am bill o'reilly. please always remember the spin stops here. we're definitely looking out for you. breaking tonight, the generals push harder on the commander in chief as a growing number of military leaders openly worry about the president's plan of battle against the terror threat in the middle east. welcome to "the kelly file" everyone. i'm megyn kelly. president obama stepped to the microphone just a couple of hours ago trying to reassure the country that he has a plan for defeating the terror army known as isis without putting any american troops into combat role. >> the american forces that have been deployed to iraq do not and will not have a combat mission. their mission is to advise and assist our partners on the ground. >> the president of the united states in no uncertain terms

saying there will be no combat mission. there isn't one now. and there will be known. in the last few days we have seen four high ranking u.s. military men suggesting the president reconsider that strategy. general dempsey, chairman of the joint chiefs, general odierno, secretary gates and general zinni all saying president obama should not be ruling out combat troops. but what doi that know? last night on "the kelly file" colonel north issued a challenge, saying he is waiting for a general to stand up and saying the president's pledge to defeat these terrorists is impossible without ground troops. today, general james maddis, the retired head of central command which oversees this region pretty much did something akin to that. watch. >> we didn't look for this fight. but once you go into it, you don't tell your adversary in advance what you're not going to do. i think that this strategy has many of the right elements to

it. i don't think it goes far enough. i still would not take any element of america's power off the table. and that's not just military, but it certainly includes the best military in the world. i'm not saying we'd have to commit them right now, but certainly don't pull it off the table, sir. >> when you tell an enemy how long you're willing to fight, you give that enemy hope. >> we have the most fearful, fiercest and most ethical ground forces in the world. and i don't think we should reassure the enemy in advance they'll never face them. the world does not need a demonstration of american impotence. if we decide to go after isis, it's got to pay a price to the point that other country in the region including jordan feel like they have a fighting chance against this enemy if they stick with us. >> general jack keane, chairman of the substituinstitute for th of war, joins me now. good to see you, general. let me just start with what your

reaction is now to what we heard from general and what we've seen from the four other generals coming out and saying the president has misstepped here. >> well, i share their views. i mean, we listened to the president's speech last wednesday, i think everybody agreed with defeat and destroy. he defined a general framework which seemed to satisfy most of us in our concerns, but then since the last week when all the details came out about what is the actual implementation plans, we have fundamental concerns. first, the air campaign is critical, but it won't be decisive. but it's very important. why aren't we bombing syria now? it's seven days later. those targets are exposed. support infrastructure. training areas. supply bases for troops and equipment. command and control. the longer we wait, megyn, the

more opportunity we have for isis to protect and conceal those targets. >> right. and there are reports saying they're doing exactly that. they're reportedly moving into the inner cities. and they know that they've got time to abandon their posts so they can get to a spot that we are unlikely to bomb from the air. >> the truth be known, and i wish i had said it the night you asked me to comment on the president's speech, but i didn't think about it until i was going home in the car. and the fact of the matter is he should have been bombing that night. and he should have been announcing that campaign that night. that would have taken them by surprise because i'm convinced that one of isis plan assumptions given the president did not cross the red line to do air strikes in syria a year ago, they believed they would not strike them in syria. that's why they bunched up so much stuff in syria. the second issue really, megyn, this is what the generals are talking about, this is what general dempsey is nuanced about in his comments and general odierno carefully parsed his

words in what he was saying. and certainly general maddisand others being retired can speak more openly. the issue is the ground campaign is what will destroy and defeat isis. but we got a weak hand on the ground campaign. the free syrian army needs to be armed, equipped and trained and we've been refusing to do that for three years. now we're going to do it, but we're not fwoing to do it ro bustly. and in iraq we have an unproven ground team in the iraqi army, the peshmerga and the sunnis. they've never worked together. not only that, but they've had problems fighting isis. so what general dempsey and general alsoton at central command have been trying to do and what they've been presenting to the president knowing we have a weak hand on the ground, they want to strengthen that hand to have success. increase it. so what does that mean? they want advisors and air

ground controllers down with the fighting units. that's clearly is boots and troops on the ground. >> uh-huh. >> they want jay socks special operation forces, direct ak teams to take down the isis leadership kinetically. that means combat forces but limited to do that. we did this every night in iraq. and every night in afghanistan. and believe me, when you go after these leaders, things begin to change rather dramatically on the battlefield below them. >> let me -- let me ask you this because nancy pelosi was asked about this today. and what she said was, and i quote, been there, done that when it comes to combat troops. she's pointing to the iraq war in that instance for justification for not sending any combat troops there now. >> well, that's a misunderstanding of the facts and quite an absurdity in that statement. by the end of 2008, in the

beginning of 2009, president bush's surge strategy led by general petraeus and general odierno, now the chief of staff of the army, defeated the al qaeda in iraq. i saw the transmission because i was advising petraeus on the ground in iraq. they showed me the transmissions from al qaeda that they were intercepting. they are saying we are defeated, don't send anymore foreign fighters. we know how to deal with this enemy in that category. what happened to us, and i don't want to go back and, you know, replay all the mistakes, but the fact is we didn't leave a force there and we're paying a huge price for it. >> last question. >> -- but not leaving something to help the iraqis. >> it's extraordinary to see all these generals come out, the ones who are working for the administration now saying as strongly as they can given their current positions that they are disagreeing with the commander in chief's strategy here. speak if you can to the president's relationship with the military right now.

>> the frustration level in the pentagon among the military and in the central command headquarters who was overseeing the war with the president in the white house is as high as it has ever been. but this president has overruled our commanders time and time again from 2009 to the present, megyn. and it's been very frustrating for them. petraeus wanted 40,000 troops to go into afghanistan as part of the surge. the president gave them 25% less, 30,000. they wanted the force to stay there for a couple years. the president pulled it out after 11 months over the objections of general petraeus. general alston who is now central command commander when he was running the war in iraq at the end of the war made a recommendation for 24,000 troops to stay in iraq. the end result was nothing. the marine corps commander of afghanistan and the central

command commander now general alston made a recommendation this year to the president to keep a residual force in afghanistan. he has rejected that and said no. and now he's rejecting their recommendations to win this war with isis. and also he's rejecting what they absolutely need and what is the noise you heard out of general dempsey is that if this weak hand fails, we need u.s. combat forces to come in and take over. >> uh-huh. >> and that is still not an option. >> uh-huh. and the question remains then whether the commander in chief is in effect setting our own troops up to fail. we're going to take that up a little later. general keane, thank you so much for being here tonight. >> glad to be here as always, megyn. also tonight we are learning about an intelligence bulletin just coming to light, one that warns about radical islamic extremists trying to encourage followers to seek out, ambush and murder american military

personnel on u.s. soil at their homes. trace gallagher just got some more information from the department of homeland security. trace. >> megyn, the information this law enforcement bulletin is based on credible sources and uptick in chatter on internet forums. it says al qaeda inspired groups like isis will switch their focus and instead of recruiting radicalized young people to get on planes and join battles in the middle east, they will encourage these lone wolf terrorists to carry out attacks against u.s. military personnel on american soil. the bulletin warns military members will likely be targeted in spontaneous ambush-style attacks similar to the may 2013 machete attack on a british soldier by two british citizens who then explained the attack to a witness. remember this? >> i apologize women had to witness this today, but in our lands women have to see -- >> that killing prompted its own

law enforcement bulletin. but now authorities are updating the threat to reflect the increase in calls from terrorists to muslims to wage jihad at home even citing a twitter post encouraging jihadists to use social media to find service members names and addresses and to "show up and slaughter them." another says, quoting, why kill just one when you can follow general nidal hassan's path. clearly the home grown terror threat isn't limited to the u.s. and uk. australian authorities launched the country's biggest terror raid in history today arresting 15 suspects accused of planning to attack and behead random citizens on behalf of isis. recently australia began canceling passports for people believed to be going to the middle east, but experts point out that keeping would-be terrorists at home can increase danger dramatically. megyn. >> trace, thank you. well, the threat of those lone wolves may not be the big

worry tonight. up next, new details on a terror concern involving u.s. planes. and more in what could wind up, god forbid, as a 9/11-style attempt in attack. plus, republicans and democrats questioning our secretary of state and our secretary of defense raising concerns about the administration losing the credibility to lead. >> my question is is the administration really being straight with the american people when you keep emphasizing no boots on the ground?

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the group is known in this norwegian citizen suspected of playing a prominent role identifying western passport holders who can smuggle bombs onto flights bound for the u.s. intelligence about fresh plotting led the tsa to change security posture in july and call for increased security of cell phones and laptops on flights into the u.s. given the sensitivity of the information, the nation's top intelligence officers seem to hesitate today when asked if the group poses a risk equal to isis. >> in terms of threat to the homeland perhaps they do. this group which i guess is out there is potentially yet another threat to the homeland. >> reporter: and the rivalry between the two terror networks in syria to be the leader of the global jihad was also addressed by capitol hill. >> these groups are in competition with one another for

attention, for fund raising, for recruitment. and one way to compete is to show that you're the biggest and baddest group out there. >> some analysts say there's historical significance back to afghanistan and pakistan, the traditional home of al qaeda senior leadership. >> sources indicate al qaeda in yemen is working with al qaeda in syria and getting support from al qaeda in pakistan. but despite all that the president is still insisting al qaeda is gone? >> we have struck significant blows against al qaeda's leadership. al qaeda's leadership on the border region between pakistan and afghanistan has been decimated. we took out osama bin laden. much of al qaeda's leadership in afghanistan and pakistan and leaders of al qaeda affiliates

in yemen and somalia. the core al qaeda leadership in afghanistan and pakistan have been decimated. >> well, the core leadership. seth jones worked in various capacities in u.s. special forces command and with the rand corporation. seth, good to see you. >> thanks, megyn. >> the president has said that so many times, the core leadership has been decimated. is that in any way consistent with t is live and well and planning to bomb us perhaps on airplanes? >> well, i think it's completely inconsistent. >> maybe it's the underlings, the leaders are gone but the privates sitting around the table. >> that doesn't appear to be the case. a major al qaeda operative from iran is involved in a lot of the plotting we're seeing now from syria and turkey towards the west including towards the u.s. homeland. the people we're seeing involved in plotting from al qaeda are names we've seen for a long time. >> what -- how dangerous is this group versus isis when it comes

to threats on americans here in the homeland? >> well, what it looks like today from an intelligence perspective is the group that is plotting the most attacks, the most serious plots against both europe, our european allies including london and the british and the u.s. homeland is the almusra front. it's not isis at the moment, though they're a longer term concern. but al qaeda's help in pakistan and yemen. this is a bit of a competition actually with isis right now. >> this is a nightmare scenario where you've got these competing terrorist groups whose mission is to outdo the other and the main target is america. >> is america and its allies. i think they could pull off an attack in london or madrid or paris, they'd do that just as well as they would in washington and new york. >> how concerned should we be about the plane issue? we always go back to that given 9/11, but do you think that's where the focus likely is? >> i think it's one major focus. and what ibrahim alasiri has

been trying to do is figure out how to get a bomb on an airplane that makes its way through security either in a body crevice or materials that are nonmetallic so you can walk through airport security. it is important to know this group and these groups are trying to be very innovative in learning how to break their way through american security practices. >> i love that that guy's in yemen. isn't yemen the country we gave the five taliban generals to? or was it qatar? they're bad too. >> they're all bad. >> yemen is the place the president pointed us to for his working counterterrorism strategy that he thinks it's just like the war he's going to launch. that guy's there planning attacks. >> he is. this is the same guy involved in the underwear bomber plot in 2009. same bombmaker. >> unbelievable, seth. thank you for your insights. >> thank you, megyn. >> you can hardly tell the republicans from the democrats today as congress questioned our secretary of state and our secretary of defense about the plan to take on this terror army isis. we'll show you what is worrying

them most. plus, the islamic state just released a new video with the message from the british journalist who's being held hostage. the story behind this next. >> they took over are painted black, this is said to be an isis police station. the activists say this church was turned into an islamic center. and isis blew this shrine up because it was built for shiite muslims and they are sunni.

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tells a shop owner it's unacceptable to display women's clothes that don't conform to their strict ultraconservative dress code. one isis member walks through a marketplace telling vendors to close their shops and go pray. the activists we spoke to say isis imposes curfews and access to water is sporadic. some of the buildings they took over are painted black. this is said to be an isis police station. the activists say this church was turned into an islamic center. and isis blew this shrine up because it was built for shiite muslims and they are sunni. >> that is from a video from inside a northern town in syria that show what is life is now like for those living under the control of the terror group isis. and for another example that terror group just released this video featuring a british journalist currently being held hostage. trace gallagher explains the message behind this. trace. >> megyn, the three and a half

minute video is said to be the first in a series that will feature that british photo journalist. we have been asked by british diplomats not to release his name, so we won't. but he spends the first part of the tape calmly introducing himself and explaining his situation, even admitting he's being forced to speak and taking a desperate chance saying, quoting here, maybe i will live, maybe i will die, but i want to take this opportunity to convey facts that you can verify, facts that if you contemplate might help preserve lives. can twist and manipulate the truth to the public back home. he claims that he's been abandoned by his government and asks for help enforcing the u.s. and british governments to change their policies on not negotiating for hostages pointing to other countries that have been willing to deal saying "they negotiated with the islamic state and got their people home while the british and the americans were left behind." it is very alarming to see where this is all heading.

and it looks like history repeating itself yet again." he says things will only change if the public acts now. unlike the previous videos showing the beheading of two american journalists and a scottish aid worker, the new video was shot inside with at least two cameras and appears very highly produced. the british foreign secretary wouldn't comment on the tape except to say they will do everything they can to support hostages and the families of hostages, megyn. >> trace, thank you. you know, a word on that video that the "the wall street journal" obtained and isis. they don't want the shopkeepers to display garments that are immodest for their view in women. meantime they're taking women and strapping them to trees which they are using as rape stands. they are taking young girls and keeping them in torture chambers. so any fighter who's a member of isis can go in there and rape that child at will. that's how they see women in the

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from the world headquarters of fox news, it's "the kelly file" with megyn kelly. serious questions about the coming war in the middle east tonight as both republicans and democrats challenge president obama's plan to defeat the terror army known as isis. in a series of capitol hill hearings secretary of defense hagel and secretary of state kerry had their work cut out for them. watch this. >> seems to me every speech he gives the first thing he says is no boots on the ground. and then makes an announcement of sending more boots. i think that that's confusing the american people. >> i agree with the chairman. i think it would be better to sort of explain, you know, what it's not a boots on the ground issue. and also it's not even a matter of we're war weary so we're not going to send in troops just because we know it will upset people. it's because we don't think it will work. >> my question is is the administration really being

straight with the american people when you keep emphasizing no boots on the ground? and isn't this 1600 military personnel at the present time likely to go up? >> i think we have a pour track record in determining who our friends are and betting, i will have to tell you mr. secretary, the people we rely on for that vetting i don't have any confidence in whatsoever. >> coalition of 40, the president says. who? what will they really do? how many troops -- >> as a wounded combat veteran, mr. secretary, yourself in the vietnam war, i cannot think of a better person that really appreciates and understands the importance that when we send our men, soldiers, sailors, expense of their lives that we need to make this thing right. and we don't need another vietnam. >> one final question, yes and no, is america at war? >> chief white house correspondent ed henry just filed this report from the white

house. >> reporter: megyn, it's been a brutal few weeks for the president. the mixed messages and more importantly the fits and starts on whether there's really a strategy to defeat isis. so now he's trying to latch onto any progress he can, which is why late today after the senate voted to give the president the power to arm and train the syrian rebels, he rushed out to cheer this bipartisan vote. the president saying this shows america is united against the terrorist. but the problem is general martin dempsey poured some cold water on this today saying it may take up to a year to train the syrian rebels raising questions whether there will be effective ground troops important because the administration continues to claim that u.s. troops do not have a combat mission that they're fuzzier on whether u.s. troops will be in a combat zone. >> i think it will depend, you know, it will depend exactly what the scenario is, exactly how far -- >> if you have to figure out

what the scenario -- if you have the iraqi soldiers there fighting isis, who the president's called these awful terrorists and they're firing upon them, it sounds like a combat zone troops are in. >> iraq is a very dangerous place. and american military personnel will have the equipment they need to defend themselves. >> tonight the president also touted more than 40 countries have joined the international coalition. but when you read the fine print, countries like france say they'll join air strikes against iraq but not syria, where the real problem is. so next week the president has a lot of work to do when he's in new york city meeting with allies at those united nations meetings. megyn. >> ed henry, thank you. joining us now lieutenant general tom mcinerney and mark thiessen, so, marc, as somebody in politics for a long time, the sound bite we played there had

four republicans and four democrats, and they were taking heat equally from both sides about this announced strategy. >> yeah. i think nobody thinks this plan is going to work. not republicans. not democrats. not the generals. not the american people. not the coalition partners. i mean, that's a pretty bad situation for the president to be in. but the problem we have, megyn, is the plan has to work. we have no choice. we cannot wait until 2017 to take on the threat from isis. and i know there's a lot of people out there saying i don't trust -- i know we have to deal with isis but i don't trust president obama. well, you know, i remember my old boss rumsfeld said you go to wa you have, not the army you wish you had. in the reality there's consequences of action and not the consequences of inaction and the -- >> but general, is he setting the troops up to fail here whether add vert ently or inadvertently. >> you are spot on.

we do not have a strategy. we have not even called it provide comfort or whatever, we don't have a name for it. we don't have a strategy. so he's doing these things that are tactical and they don't have a strategic end game. and we haven't in almost a month now we've flown 176 and we ought to be flying a minimum of 200 targets or -- a day. so it's piecemeal. it's pinpricks. and we are just immunizing the enemy. we are allowing syria to be a sanctuary. and he hasn't defined what his goals are there. he wants to degrade and destroy, megyn, please. those are two separate campaigns. this campaign could be over in 90 days if we did what we did in desert storm where we had massive air power or in operation iraqi freedom. massive air power with ground power. >> but let me ask you this, marc, because we heard at the

top of the show what we don't need right now is a show of american impotence in the world. that would be provocative. that would be dangerous. the president knows that. the president doesn't want to see us go on this effort and fail. i mean, that would be -- if you're thinking he is thinking politically or based on the polls, what would that do to him politically and his party? what would that do to his poll? so he must want success. he must just have a fundamental disagreement about the avenues to it, no? >> i would hope that was the case. but i don't think it probably is. i think he's being driven entirely by the polls. he was against doing anything when the american public said we don't want to get involved in iraq and all of a sudden the american public saw the threat from isis and he's doing something. he seems to be reacting to events rather than driving them. a commander in chief, a leader, goes out and sets a clear strategy, rallies the american people, explains what the stakes are and the consequences of success and failures are and asks americans to follow him and then they do follow him. he goes out and lead the world

and tells them here's our strategy. the way you build a coalition, say here's the goals, who's helping. when you cut weakness politically and -- >> is this weakness or is this the president saying the american people don't want to get involved in another extensive war. i, the commander in chief, don't want that. so i have to do something more than symbolic. i'm going to hurt them with this effort. i may not completely destroy them right now, but i'm going to do something. and i don't want to be, you know, enemy number one in the isis fight over the next ten years. >> megyn, the president is fighting a political campaign on reaction in the united states. the generals are fighting an enemy overseas and how they can destroy him, degrade and destroy. >> but they don't think politically. he does have to think long-term where is this going to leave the united states and will this further aggravate our relations in the middle east.

>> but what he's doing is going to further aggravate it. if we defeat isis very quickly and decisively, this will change the calculus in the middle east. this will change our role. and this will change the role of radical islamists. they will have been suppressed very decisively. if you try to do this in one, two or three years that they're talking about, megyn, all he is going to do is build greater problems because there are going to be more and more radical islamists joining the cause over there. this must be done quickly and decisively. the generals want to do it that way. the president wants to get through a november election. >> some folks are calling this a little bit pregnant strategy. we're sort of in it but we're not really in it and you can't really do it that way. guys, thank you. >> thank you, megyn. scotland has been a part of the united kingdom for more than 300 years. and that could change in just an hour. up next, what that could actually mean for the united states and for this mess in the

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well, the votes are being tallied right now. results will be in around midnight if you are in new york, 5:00 in the morning if you live in edinburgh. today, scottish citizens voted on whether or not their country should break from the united kingdom and form an independent nation. right now one thing we know for sure is that whatever route scotland chooses, this vote will have major implications around the world including for us. chief correspondent of feature story news, simon, do we know anything about how the vote's going? >> well, we have a very preliminary and early sense, megyn. all the numbers that have come in so far, and it's very early days, suggest that the no campaign, the campaign against referendum -- independence, the campaign in favor of a continued united kingdom is on course to win here. but you know, it's still on a knife edge. and the reality is it was never

supposed to be like this. no one back as recently as june thought this was even going to be close. so even if the things stay the same, it's not going to be business as usual after all these votes are counted. >> who are the people pushing for independence and why do they want it? >> well, it's the scottish national party. 25 years ago when i was growing up in britain scottish national party was a fringe political party. they were an afterthought in british political conversation. and slowly by slowly they have built support, built momentum, established seats in the british parliament in london and got to a position where powers were slowly devolved to scotland, an assembly was created in edinburgh and its first minister, leader of the scottish party, has given his life to getting to where he is today on the cusp of possibly ending 307

years of history and taking scotland off towards independence. >> why should america care? >> america should care because if we all wake up tomorrow morning and discover that scotland is an independence state, immediately it's going to raise short-term questions over david cameron's political future as british prime minister and therefore over the british government's ability to support president obama in his strategy of building a broad coalition to battle islamic states in iraq and syria. i mean, i think all political bets would be off if we woke up and discovered scotland had indeed voted for independence. if it votes to remain part of the united kingdom, then the damage assessment is going to get underway for david cameron because this will have been so close that this is undoubtedly damaged his leadership. and that's going to raise questions about how much power he now has to give to scotland and what implications that has for nato, what implications it

has for the european union and for that unshakable transatlantic alliance that every president and every british prime minister says is the closest international alliance in history. >> that's fascinating. thank you for the explanation. we should know some time overnight, i guess. just before fox and friends we should have some results. simon, good to see you. >> good seeing you, megyn. up next, the unrepentant domestic terrorist who is now an expert judge of character. up next, we'll take a look at what bill ayers had to say about yours truly in a new article. and while some of you know i have already responded a little bit on twitter, stay tuned and i'll finish the thought tonight. musical chairs. fun, right? welllllllll, not when your travel rewards card

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bill ayers speaking out about our lengthy interview. in case you missed it, and how could you possibly, here are a few highlights from our exchange. >> the question is whether your wife bernadine dohrn felt that she did in 1970 when she seemed perfectly fine about murder, she said about the charles manson murders -- >> this is not true. >> -- "offing those rich pigs with their own forks and knives and then eating a meal in the same room, far out. the weathermen dig charles manson." this is your sweetheart? this is your soulmate? and his home got fire bombed in the middle of the night. in your book with bernadine you quote the weather underground communique and you say as

follows, i'm quoting now, two weeks before the townhouse explosion, which is a different bomb, four members of this group had fire bombed judge murtagh's house in new york as an action of support for the panther 21. within that group however the feeling developed that because this action had not done anything to hurt the pigs materially it wasn't very important. >> i didn't write that. >> it's in your book. >> which book? >> your book with bernadine. you say in your book that you can't quite imagine putting a bomb in a building today, but you can't imagine entirely dismissing that possibility either. what would it take to make you bomb this country again? >> as violent and as nuts as we can be as a country, i can't completely say no, i would never ever rise up in opposition in a militant serious way. i can't say i wouldn't. >> ayers had this to say about his time with me, "she struck me as a very strange person. she's like a cyborg constructed

in the basement of fox news, she's very striking, but very metallic, very cold, her eyes are very cold. i looked up cyborg and it's a superhuman being. striking, well, ayers knows a thing or two about that. just ask judge murtagh. after my alleged time in the basement, well, i've never actually lived underground. unlike ayers and his wife bernadine who evaded the fbi for 11 years. and then there's the eyes. man's got a point. they can be cold. not as cold as those of the three people killed while making bombs for ayers' group, but icy at times, especially when i'm looking at a serial bomber who terrorizes so many including an innocent little boy. i'm sure bernadine's eyes are much warmer especially when she's discussing admiration for serial killers who murder pregnant women. but i am thankful he came on this program, which is a standup

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