turnout. and the lead for no on independence. we'll see the results probably fox & friends tomorrow. also tomorrow a special hour-long report on what is shaping up to look like a slow march to a new war in iraq and possibly syria. more on the revolt of the generals. see you tomorrow at 9:00. welcome to "hannity. and this is a fox news alert. australian police have thwarted a major terror plot with direct links to isis. detained 15 people and raided more than a dozen properties after learning the group was planning to kidnap people off the streets, behead them on camera and release the video to the public. fox's own david piper standing by tonight live in bangkok with all the details. david. >> reporter: hi, sean. australia launched its largest ever counterterrorism operation over fears the islamic terrorists were planning random killings there. officials say 800 heavily armed police officers took part in the raids of homes and businesses in

sydney and brisbane. 15 people have been arrested and one has formally charged. a 52-year-old sydney man faces charges of conspireing to a terrorist attack on australian soil. prime minister tony abbott -- ordered what he described as demonstration killings. reports in australia earlier alleged dlfs a plan to abduct somebody randomly off the streets of sydney then drape them in an islamic state flag and behead them on camera. prime minister abbott confirmed in a news conference that was the intelligence they had received. last week raised domestic threat terror level from medium to high indicating a terror attack was likely but not imminent. it was raised over fears about radicalized australians returning from fighting for militants in syria and iraq.

at least 60 are believed to be jihadist groups in syria and iraq. 15 reports have died there including two who were suicide bombers. australian police believe about 100 people in their country currently support the terror groups. this week australia announced it plans to send 600 troops and aircraft to the middle east to help the fight against islamic militants. thank you, sean. >> david, thank you. meanwhile back here at home increasing concerns about terrorists entering this country via the southern border after reports of four individuals with ties to terrorist organizations were in fact apprehended at the border on september 10th, that's one day before the 9/11 anniversary. fox's own katy pavlic joins us from washington tonight. she has all the details. >> good evening, sean. as isis continues to make headlines there's new concern tonight after republican congressman jason chaffetz said yesterday during a house homeland security hearing that four men with ties to radical islamic terror groups in the middle east crossed into the united states just one day

before 9/11 last week and were apprehended at two different checkpoints in texas. the assertion came after chaffetz pressed homeland security secretary jeh johnson about whether terrorists had ever been apprehended by dhs at the border. take a listen. >> i have reason to believe that on september 10th there were actually four individuals trying to cross through the texas border who were apprehended at two different stations that do have ties to known terrorist organizations in the middle east. are you not aware of that? >> i've heard reports to that effect. i don't know the accuracy of the reports. >> with isis on everybody's mind, the obama administration, homeland security and federal law enforcement sources say there's no credible evidence at this time to show isis has a specific attack plan in the works by using the open border. however, in the past other terrorist groups like hezbollah have exploited the open southern border with mexico to gain access to the united states. threats from radical islamists

working in latin america had been a concern for years. although border security to prevent isisin filtration is a concern, officials have said visas and u.s. passports potentially held by isis members is where the focus should be. currently there are approximately 100 confirmed americans fighting overseas with isis. but the state department still cannot confirm whether passports belonging to those fighters have been revoked raising concerns isis could easily access united states by boarding an airplane. sean, back to you. >> katy, thank you. amid new concerns about terrorists entering and exiting the u.s. freely, the top democrat on the house intelligence committee, well, he recently told the washington examiner that there was an american that went over and he was radicalized, trained to be a suicide bomber, he came home to see his parents, left, went back and when he came back he killed himself and a lot of people. that's an example what's

concerning to us is when you have a passport -- texas governor rick perry is back with us tonight. >> good to be with you. >> governor, i sat there with you in that intelligence briefing, yeppmen, syria, afghanistan, pakistan, here it is september 10th and we discover four people literally cross the border. four individuals with terror ties they've had in the past. shouldn't be a surprise, not to a surprise to me after sitting through that briefing. is it you? >> no, it's not a surprise. it's the reason we have been bringing this to the attention of the federal government for some time. the actions we've taken not only back in the earlier part of this year when we moved our department of public safety troops down there and the texas ranger recon teams, our parks and wildlife wardens and then we bolster that with the texas national guard to go down and augment as well. and the result that we see is substantial decrease in the number of apprehensions. so the message is getting back.

but with that said i think not just texans but americans are still -- and they should be -- substantially concerned that the southern border of the united states and mexico is potentially a place where radicalized terrorists could penetrate into the united states with intent to do harm to american citizens. and that's the reason that the federal government continues to fail, from my perspective, in securing that border, putting the resources there that we know can make that border substantially more secure than it is today. >> so clearly the guard that you put down there, the texas guard, you're saying has had an impact in as much as the word has gotten back don't come here because you're going to get caught. >> that's correct. and your common sense tells you that's how it works. that's how it works in a neighborhood. that's how it works on an international border. if you will put the resources there, the boots on the ground, the technology in the air, again. we've had this request in to the

federal aviation administration for some period of time to allow for the use of drones to look down to identify the activities that are going on so you can send fast response teams in to meet the threat, whatever it might be. and they refuse to do that. again, i just don't think we've got the federal government's agreement that this is as big a problem as what a lot of us in this country, and i can assure you that those farmers, those ranchers, those individual who is have seen these people penetrating across the border, crossing their land and then that's not to mention the thousands of criminal activities that have gone on by individuals who come into the state of texas and then go across this country and committing criminal acts. >> let me ask you, for all the talk about dealing with isis and sending troops over to iraq and at least involved in air campaigns, if we're catching terrorists at our border now. and as i sat through the briefing with you and coming

from yemen, syria, afghanistan, pakistan, can you explain to me why there's not a level of urgency placed on this considering that is our most vulnerable area in terms of where enemies of this country can cross? >> i can't. i think this country is capable enough to multitask and to deal with isis and with our allies over in the middle eastern region. we need to use obviously every tool that we have to destroy these individuals and destroy them there, take out their command and control. we can do that with air strikes. we can do that obviously with the peshmerga, who is a great fighting force that's in the northern part of iraq. but here at home we have the ability but we don't have the will. that's my concern that this administration has been giving lip service to -- i'm not even sure they're giving lip service to the security of the southern border with mexico. a secure border allows for you

to have economic security as well. those that would say that, you know, somehow or another you're putting people on the border and that's hurting the economic side of this. they're wrong. what people want to see is a border that is secure that they know their communities are going to be secure, that their families are going to be safe. that's what americans want all across this country. and that's exactly what isis is trying to tear down with their threats. and we need to be exceptionally vigilant on our southern border. >> you recall reprehensible and said attack on good relations by the president of mexico you fired back a pretty hard hitting letter to him yesterday. do you want to tell us about that? >> well, mexico has been a long-time partner with the united states in particularly with texas. they're our number one trading partner. we have some great opportunities. this president has put into place in mexico some reforms that are really good for that

country when it's coming to opening up their oil and gas industry. they've done some things that have been very, very forward thinking. but with that said they still have some challenges. and if we're going to be good partners, if we're going to be good neighbors, then we ought to be able to have a civil thoughtful conversation about how to address these issues. and they are failing in their securing of their southern border. i mean, all of those children, all those individuals that are coming across that we saw in may and june, july, that was because mexico has failed in its responsibility to secure their southern border. so when i bring that up to this president, he needs to understand that we're serious about this. we're going to be good neighbors. we're going to try to be great trading partners. >> i think you also need to point out to them what they do to illegal immigrants from central america. they put them in jail and they send them right back. so just tell them we're going to follow their laws.

governor, good to see you. appreciate you being with us. >> thank you, sean. coming up next, tonight, right here on "hannity". >> and you say the red line -- not allow to be occupied by the terrorist. >> president obama now being openly mocked by world leaders for his foreign policy failures. this news comes as more military leaders say boots in fact will be needed on the ground if we really want to defeat isis. we'll explain tonight on this busy news night at "hannity" continues. ugh. heartburn.

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welcome back to "hannity." now thanks to president obama's disastrous foreign policy, america and this time a crisis is now becoming a laughing stock, the iranian president recently sitting down with nbc news and openly mocking the u.s. watch this. >> translator: this coalition is somehow ridiculous -- and it is ridiculous and there are people who created these terrorist groups. and now inside this coalition they are countries who are financing these terrorist groups. and we say the red line is red line, which means we do not allow -- to be occupied by the terrorist religious sites not be occupied by the terrorists. for all the american forces in iraq and they were not able to

defeat the terrorists in fallujah, how come they can now accomplish this with such a small number of ground forces? >> here with reaction the author of the brand new book on amazon.com today "rise of isis, a threat we cannot ignore" fox news analyst kt mcfarlane. being openly mocked by world leaders. let me play all the military people that have spoken out in recent days saying basically the president general obama knows nothing about what he's talking about. watch this. >> goes back to the point about the boots on the ground. why we're so reluctant and we have this sort of mindset that if you put boots on the ground, meaning combat units, you're being drawn into a quagmire. well, the decision to stay is a political decision. >> it also sends a reassuring message to the coalition that secretary kerry is trying to pull together that on the

military side we're all in. i'm not saying we'd have to commit them right now, but certainly don't pull it off the table. >> the reality is they're not going to be able to be successful against isis strictly from the air, or strictly depending on the iraqi forces or the peshmerga or the sunni tribes acting on their own. so there will be boots on the ground if there's to be any hope of success in the strategy. >> my view at this point is that this coalition is the appropriate way forward. i believe that will prove true. but if it fails to be true and if there are threats to the united states, then i of course would go back to the president and make a recommendation that may include the use of u.s. military ground forces. >> then you have the army chief of staff, ray odierno, he told "new york times" yet you got to have ground forces, he goes on, capable of going in and rooting them out. so president obama got mad at what they said, went out yesterday, no boots on the

ground. sounds like he's lashing out at our military leaders. >> well, these are the most respected and most senior military leaders in the country and probably in the world. what the president's done is he said here's the mission i want you to achieve. i want to degrade and defeat isis. but no boots on the ground. so what he's basically said to them is it's mission but it's mission impossible. they know somebody's boots have to be on the ground. whose boots are going to be on the ground? >> i don't think he's committed to this at all. i think this is about polling. i think the president sees 91% america views isis as a real danger, 71% want him to do something militarily. he's doing this before the election. after the election he'll wipe his hands clean. >> he's the reluctant commander in chief. no doubt about that. when you look at the way he's put this in perspective. the idea that we'd be telegraphing before we even start anything we are not going to put boots on the ground, who starts a military campaign saying what you're not going to do? that's politics number one. number two, the president -- this idea that somehow we're going to be able to take out by

air power alone 35,000 troops, that's what isis is, 35,000. it's an army. >> it's an army that has the land mass the size of what, jordan? >> great britain. much bigger. >> okay. between syria and iraq. you wrote this book, this is an interesting story. you were in oxford this summer. you actually wrote the rise of isis before anybody really knew who isis was. >> sean, the interesting thing -- >> hold up your book. >> well, i will do that. >> it's an e-book. >> amazon, barnes & noble. >> explain to everybody who isis is. >> okay. so isis is not new. so this idea that we've kind of known about them, they work aqi, they were al qaeda in iraq kicked out of al qaeda because according to osama bin laden and his lieutenants, isis, especially the leader, was too violent. now, this is coming from al qaeda. that's how dangerous this group is. so there they are existing. not only do they control land

mass, they control vast wealth. reports are over $2 billion. but, sean, when i was at oxford this summer, one of the oxford professors an expert on the middle east a guy that believes you can work things out and negotiate, he said there's one way to deal with isis only, crush them. >> let me ask you both this question, i think when people use -- and i talked to you about this earlier. people use the nazi analogy. so often out of context, it's overused, i don't think so in this case. you know, a master race, this is a master religion. here they have more land, more money, more brutal tactics and there's this idea of a caliphate that they want to advance for life or convert or die. what is the difference between that and naziism? they want to destroy israel, they want to destroy the west, convert or die. what's the difference? >> well, the difference is the

nazis didn't plan to take over the whole world. the caliphate does. my concern is that six months from now when this has proved to be mission impossible when the moderate sunni -- i mean the moderate shiite armies don't materialize -- >> don't get the job done. >> when the iraqis don't get the job done. when there is no coalition, then we're going to have three choices. we leave without defeating isis. we send in big boots on the ground. i mean a major ground surge. that will never happen. or i think worst of all -- >> kick it down the road. >> no, they turn to the iranians and say you do the job and the iranians will say, sure, but guess what the price tag is? we want nukes and we want you to go along with it. >> you use the nazi analogy, i have 200 family members, great aunts -- killed in the holocaust. i don't use that lightly either. but in the book in the rise of isis i said it. i said it because if you look at the tactics, the idea that you mark people. the jews -- my relatives had to wear a star of david.

the christians in iraq have to wear the n signal which is nazarine. they're not as mechanical as the nazis ultimately got but the lethality could be worse. >> if you marry that with the nukes you're talking about, this is a holocaust in the making. >> it is. what kt said is right. i mean, the president says this isn't a war against islam. it's not -- really? ask -- >> good to see you both. coming up, a historic day in scotland. a live report next on their vote for independence. but first tonight -- >> i'm not barack obama. i disagree with him. i'm guns, coal and the epa. >> democrats that can't run away fast enough with the president ahead of the november midterms 47 days away. coming up next, former governor

john snunu -- arrested and accused of headbutting his wife and punching his 18-month-old son. that and much more on this busy news night on "hannity." ♪

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this is a fox news alert from new york. the first results are beginning to trickle in from the scotland independence vote. the first few of the 32 regions to report favored staying united with the united kingdom. but those areas only represent a small part of the electorate. final results are expected a few hours from now around 1:00 a.m. eastern time. polling places reported a heavy turnout. some in the high 80% range. if scotland decides to leave the uk after a 307-year-long union it would be the first set breakup in europe since the dissolution of czechoslovakia.

there are so many questions if scotland becomes independent. for example, what currency would be used? and would it be a part of nato? also, what would happen to britain's nuclear armed submarines based at a scottish port? stay with fox news channel for the very latest polling results out of scotland. welcome back to "hannity." so the president's ratings continue to sink with the latest "new york times" cbs poll saying 50% of americans disapprove of how he's handling the terror threat. democratic candidates, they're even distancing themselves from their toxic party leader. take a look at this. >> mitch mcconnell wants you to think i'm barack obama. i'm not barack obama. i disagree with him on guns, coal and the epa. >> now, in addition to the american public and liberal

politicians, a mutiny in the media's now underway as well. here's the national journal's ron fornie. >> senator shaheen is at 40% approval rating being dragged on by president obama. brown is leading among young voters in new hampshire which surprises me because that's obama's coalition and senator shaheen at the harvard institute of politics a long tradition of inspiring young voters. what's happening there is a classic example of wa we're seeing across the country and that is the president being an anvil to the democrats. >> joining me now former new hampshire governor john sununu. how are you? >> good to be with you, sean. how are you tonight? >> i'm good. but i am not as convinced as everybody else. i think in the end republicans will probably take over the senate. but i'm not -- it's not a certainty to me. and i think republicans have missed a huge opportunity. and i want you -- i want to pick your brain and see if you agree with me. the opportunity is they have not

outlined a consensus plan that they're all campaigning on, five items. i have, for example, my plan. i'll put it up. the penny plan, so we balance the budget, stop robbing our kids. energy independence, they're thot pushing that as a party. a market-based health care solution, one that's consensus-oriented that they agree on, choice in education and securing our borders first. five things they put down on paper say elect us we'll do these things. they don't do that. why? >> because it's the wrong thing to do at the wrong time, sean. the right thing to do today is to have three clear issues. repeal obamacare, seal the borders and get rid of harry reid, obama's puppet running the senate. the fact is those three issues which are tied to obama are more than enough to define a clear, sharp difference. and our senate candidates around the country are doing it. when you get into the issues that you like in your list there, they actually soften the

difference because most people don't understand the characterization you're giving to the issues. these three they understand. and our candidates are really running well on it. scott brown is going to win in new hampshire and surprise the democrats with those three issues. >> listen, maybe you're right, and maybe i'm wrong. but maybe i'm old fashioned to think that if you lay out an inspiring -- >> you're not older fashioned than i am, sean. >> if you lay out an inspiring vision -- in other words, everyone's made up their mind on the president. but i think what's missing here -- you know, i read in the hill for example for september the republican plan is to do no harm. that's not inspiring to me. the country has major problems. and it seems that five years into obamacare they ought to have come up with a consensus alternative plan and they haven't. >> sean, i don't disagree that when they get there they ought to have a package that does inspire support, expanded support in the future. but you've got seven and a half weeks to the election. and the message has to be clear.

you've got to be talking to the 20% that don't pay attention to issues beyond the huge headlines. and so when you're talking to that 20% in the middle there, you really have to talk about at most three issues. and i really think we've picked the right ones with obamacare, sealing the border and getting rid of harry reid as the puppet of obama. >> didn't contact with america give the republicans power in congress for the first time in 40 years. there were ten items in that case. >> yeah. and you can't tell me what three of them are. >> yes, i can actually. >> the contract with a great slogan but in fact what did it was that was an election in which the pendulum was swinging. and republicans carried the message of we've got to undo the growth in government. the contract may have been a label that had some value. but today the most important label is the one that resonates with more voters is, oh, my gosh, we have an incompetent president and we've got to

unfortunately get rid of the things that he loves the most, obamacare and a horrible immigration policy. >> listen, i hope you're right. and i think the word on immigration ought to be simple, secure the border first. >> secure the border first. >> secure the border. it's a national security issue. >> secure the border, period. >> end of sentence. >> you're right. >> listen, i hope you're right. because i don't think the country can withstand much more of what the president and the democrats in the senate are doing. so i hope you're right. >> listen, you're right, sean. we got a great candidate up here, scott brown running against the senator. and she is reeling because of those three issues. >> all right. thank you, john sununu, very smart man. mpkts another disturbing instance of domestic violence by another star nfl player. jonathan dwyer arrested after reportedly, get this, headbutting his wife, hitting his 18-month-old toddler with a shoe. we'll check in with the panel on

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and this is a fox news alert. more bad news for the nfl. another star player from the troubled league has been arrested for aggravated assault. arizona cardinals running back jonathan dwyer was arrested wednesday for headbutting his wife and striking his 18-month-old son in the stomach with a shoe during two separate disputes back in july. also today the carolina panthers suspended defensive end greg hardy as he awaits a jury trial stemming from his own domestic violence charges. and as the nfl continues to struggle with its image, a number of high profile figures are weighing in on the controversy including rush limbaugh. >> whatever the offense here,

domestic assault, domestic violence, nondomestic assault, rape, kidnapping, homicide, drugs, the incidence rate in the nfl is less than half what it is in the general population. >> here now with reaction fox & friends co-host, brian along with fox news political analyst juan williams, analyst extraordinaire kirsten powers. >> thanks, sean. >> there is a lot of attention. by the way i think these are all teachable moments. i think we all agree men should never raise a hand to woman. end of subject. i am not against hitting kids. i was hit a lot, might surprise you. >> and look at you. >> exactly. turned out to be a great american. >> behavioral problems. >> you want to join in too? >> i don't want to go down to that level, sean. >> but i think adrian peterson

went too far. >> yeah. >> the question is, why are we just focused on the nfl? why is this making it bigger when there's so many other incidents we don't pay any attention to? >> well, we don't. it's simple. how many other leagues generate $200 billion from a beer company? how many other leagues get a win every single night they're on the air? they win sunday night, monday night. professional lacrosse doesn't get that attention because there's not that type of interest, not players, not fans. the interest warrants the spotlight, the spotlight brings the money and also additional responsibility. however, the piling on right now is out of control. the nfl's not helping by not talking. and the players are not helping by abhorrent behavior that seems to be cascading -- >> but i think rush's point is pretty well taken. it's not any different in the rest of society. it is happening everywhere. >> but right, it is happening everywhere. and it is largely ignored most of the time. that's the problem with it. but what rush was citing was

actually arrests comparing arrests outside the nfl to inside the nfl. that doesn't mean that there isn't the same level of domestic abuse. in fact, there was a woman who went on -- she interviewed by shaq and a lot of other people who said there's a lot more of this going on than you hear about. and the women are told to keep their mouth shut, don't get a lawyer, don't talk to the media and the nfl is comply come police sent. these people are heroes in our society. they are held to a higher standard. and they'll be under greater scrutiny than other people though i wish other people were being held accountable. >> set your video recorder right now because i agree with rush limbaugh. i think that in fact what you got is a situation where people tend to be too pc about this and they're really going crazy on the nfl. >> what pc? >> pc. >> what's politically correct? you shouldn't hit women --

>> no. >> take a child and whip it? >> no, of course not. >> what's the pc? >> what's pc and i think this is what rush limbaugh is saying is, look, the reality is most parents according to the statistics spank their kids. that's just a reality. >> let me put up on the screen. >> anybody who spanks their kid -- >> spanking has become less popular. i'm not going to stop you. we'll put this up on the screen. this is important. from 84% in '86 to 70% in 2010, 2012. >> right. but the point is this is what you're jumping at, i'm not saying what adrian peterson did was spanking. i think this use of the wooden switch and all that and sean and i were talking earlier, i don't know, i fear that that is out of control and violent. >> my father took his belt off and whack, whack, whack and i had welts. he'd be arrested in this environment today. >> and you'd call the cops. >> no, i wouldn't call the cops on my father. >> that goes to her point, most people don't call. this is where i think it's pc.

if you conflate the fact you might spank your 2-year-old on the butt and adrian peterson saying all spanking -- you're crazy. >> something telling too that adrian peterson, i haven't spoken to him, but he's been on fox & friends three times, the radio show about five times, this guy's a delightful guy. he's got great reviews. >> here's the difference, he was raised this way. >> he doesn't shrink from the incident. he says this is what i do, this is the way my dad raised me. >> that's crazy. >> let's take this to the next level. so he's charged with a felony. all right. if he's found guilty of felony child abuse, what do you want to take the kid away from him? >> no, he assaulted someone. it happened to be a child. it happened to be his child. he should be punished for whatever an assault is on a person. >> that would mean he's going to lose custody of his kids. how about he takes a parenting class and realize -- >> i think he should take a parenting class. but what he did is child abuse.

it's not spanking. nobody's saying it's spanking. it's beating a child and has welts on their body. >> i fear that it is being seen as the same thing. i agree with you though. what he did -- sdwl. >> he took it way too far. >> and you can't do that to a child. don't forget this nice guy, this gentle giant, he's a giant. >> all right. one at a time. i want to focus on this. he's now being charged with felony child abuse. he may end up losing his child. i don't think that's the answer. i think there's got to be some understanding of the way he was raised. i know many people hit with switches. you can't get hit with a switch without leaving a welt. i'm saying don't take his kid away. >> sean, let me ask you this, a lot of these men would say, this is what i watched when i was growing up, my dad used to beat my mother growing up, what's the difference? violence is violence.

>> that's different. tell you as somebody that got hit with a belt. >> yeah. >> that my father never raised a hand to my mother. >> no, no -- >> this was a punishment for me that was out of control. >> but adrian peterson said i saw my dad hitting my mom and that's why i hit -- >> no. here's the kirsten analogy with all due respect doesn't work because under no circumstances is domestic violence ever accepted. however, we've all seen a little kid acting up on a holiday, running around not paying attention and maybe your uncle or aunt smacked him on the behind. >> that's not what he did, brian. >> it's extreme behavior. >> it's extreme behavior and he's justifying -- >> any parent that uses a belt, any parent that uses a switch -- this is important because charles barkley said something. he said this is really popular in the south. are we going to arrest all these parents? >> if there's a child with bruises and welts on their body, then i think that is extreme.

>> a child with welts? >> listen, you don't understand i was arrested in first grade. i deserved it. i was taken home by cops in first grade. >> this is not a pro-welt panel. >> i am telling you you guys don't -- i've lived in the south. it is so common. you have no clue. >> i grew up in a hispanic latino house with my father trained boxers. and my father when he would hit me, let me tell you something, it's unbelievable to have a pro hit you. let me tell you, you do not want this. >> my father was a boxer. >> don't go to the audience on this -- >> i'm telling you, people in the south -- there's not one person watching right now that wasn't hit with a switch that they had to go pick out themselves. >> we as a society should stop it. >> do you want to arrest them all? >> no. what i say to kirsten and say to you, a spanking on the butt is one thing, but taking a whip and hitting people.

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