rally for israel.com. that's it for now. this is mike huckabee from new york. good night and god bless. stay tuned for justice with judge jeanine. >> it is a terrorist army an established mark. who is isis? they combine viciousness on the ground with supremacy in social media. >> trying to create the largest cal fate it can. >> what do we know about the man wearing a wrist watch who says he's the leader of isis. >> it has been a shadowy presence for a very long time. >> how he is using a former catholic school student from the boston area to spread propaganda including the beheading videos around the world. >> why do you think this mosque is sending us a test to terrorism. >> it el cross the area the size of kansas. you will see why they are the richest terrorist organization

on earth. >> this is like a video network. >> it surprisedal guide the united states and our allies or did it? >> what is isis and what do they want? for the past decade colonel oliver north and war story teams made more than 15 trips to iraq where isis is currently gaining ground. what does isis want? >> they can't a cal fate that goes to levant to the persian gulf. they want to control every aspect of it politically, diplomatically and of course carry out sharia law as they see it in that part of the world that they now claim as a new i gos lambic state. >> is there any indication they

would even stop at that? >> no. they said they are going to take the fight to the united states. these kind of earringzati-- somy these organizations don't have a plan for tomorrow so many want to die in the process. like in the resolution they want to survive the experience. relatively few of those actively engaged in this fight really do want to survive. >> what are we doing in the united states to stop this? >> not enough. if the idea is to destroy isis we have started out the wrong way. first what the troops call the obama bug out from iraq in 2011. now you are looking at a situation where they literally dominate that arab part of syria and iraq all of the way down to south of baghdad and they are

making millions of dollars a day from oil revenues in addition to money stolen from banks, in addition to money they make from everything from extortion to ransom. >> you really dug into how it came about. let's take a look at that. >> isis clearly is the world's most terrorist group and more than that it is a jihadist state. >> he has a huge d in islamic history. he spoke as an arab special list. >> they are focused on the near end trying to create the largest cal fate it can typically in the arab middle east. it includes much of the territory of syria and iraq. isis effectively erased the border between the two countries. the islamic state claims to the caliphate on two things the literal reading of the hadith.

>> remember when they talk about islam they mean all of the lands that have been part of islam. >> dr. bernard lewis is professor of near eastern studies at princeton university. he's one of the world's foremost middle east scholars. >> they see the lens of islam as being invaded and intocks fied by muslims. >> the self proclaimed leader 43-year-old abu back carral baghdaddy. their goal to drive out so-called infidels for lands where israel reigned for centuries. >> the last cal fate which was the ott mondoman was to establi. they think they are recreating that. they think their caliphate which is arab is more important than the original caliphate which is

turkish. they believe the only legitimate religious belief is their particular harsh brand of sun they islam. -- sunny isla-- sunni islam. >> isis emerged from the terror group al qaeda in iraq or aqi. >> the predecessor group to that is a group zawahri started. >> during operation iraqi freedom abu musab zarqawi came the head of kqi. >> isis has been able to eclipse for al qaeda the rule of state they are not hiding in caves on the margins of the islamic world. they have a lot of fellas that fought jihad from afghanistan many against armed forces and iraq government forces in iraq

as well as many against the government forces of bish charral assad of syria. when you put these together and adds those to the fact that the united states has not been there for the course of several years. >> the terrorist army of isis is now estimated to have more than 30 fighters in 70 countries. the way they achieve their goals is horrific. when isis takes over a tir to-- territory is imposes sharia such as amputations for stealings, crucifixions and such as we know beheadings. isis clearly refers to the two different passages in the koran. it refers to the beheading of unbelievers on the battlefield. >> all indications show many if not all isis fighters have a fanatical belief of fighting to the death. >> they really have in many ways general tedempsey said this a f weeks ago an apocalyptic viewpoint. isis clearly is talking about

end of time battles. armageddon type battles. >> so isis is still on the quest. but it is using 21st century technology. katherine herridge is the author of the next wave. katherine, can you date about when isis began and how it has been able to move so swiftly. >> it is really a continuation of what we know as al qaeda in iraq. this is a group that is like al qaeda 3.0 it is younger and meaner. it is growing up with social media. this is how they are able to spread their message. and give that impression they are not just in iraq and syria but they are also here in united states as well. >> i realize it is hard to date it from the beginning. >> i find the 30,000 number

extremely significant. it is unusual for the cia to release a number in such a public way. i believe that that is an effort to further support or justify the administration's strategy now. i think it's also a reflection of the fact that the cia is some what politicized on this issue. when you see the people in the intelligence community they don't have a great handle on how many people are fighting on behalf of isis. >> we just learned more than 70 countries of isis fighters. it moved so quickly. >> as katherine just pointed out they are experts at using social media. in fact in the days of h2 i no one heard of twitter or facebook in the organization then influxed by u.s. marines and soldiers in the anbar providence. the difference is many are feared to be able to return to their countries. there is a possibility youngsters who have been over there trained equipped bought

a fought and now come back know how to build a vehicular born improvised explosive device. or wear a bomb device wearing nothing more or less than two brothers found useful at the boston marathon. >> everyone is talking about isis. we have been following this, monstering this or are we behind? >> based on the reporting since 2009 this was on the intelligence community's radar for at least five years. what we know now is the president was receiving information about the growing threat of isis or iraq and syria what's called the president's daily brief. this ises the most highly prized and classified document produced by the intelligence community. this idea the intelligence community let somebody down or they were blind sided i don't think holds any water.

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>> i don't want to see that. the that's their propaganda. they want to frighten us and that's their bruto propaganda. we don't need to see that. >> that was james foley's mother talking to me in their new hampshire home. >> how is isis using these vicious murders with their social media savvy to get new recruits? here is katherine her raj. >> to understand isis and

terrorist army he is looking at how propaganda evolved since 9-11 with social media. they used 19 men in four hijacked airplanes to kill nearly 3,000 people in new york city the pentagon and shanksville, pennsylvania. >> we have been traveling around the united states. >> from california it was adam was the english speaking spokesperson for the bin laden al qaeda spokesman. >> he was the ones who's will end the war. >> he has a million dollar reward on his head. as fox news reported extensively it was this dual citizen anwaral can i who went from being a lunch guest to a digital recruiter for al qaeda he turned operational. fox news reported on the cleric for years. >> with the command of english, arabic and the internet u.s. citizen anwar al lack can i on

christmas day. the fort dix six and massacre which killed 13. >> alawki was killed in september by a missile. he lives on through this man abdul. even after serving time in a yemeni prison for his actions on behalf of ahe announced the support to cal fate press to nearly 12,000 followers on twitter. he posted this of himself with at-batti -- awlaki. >> they use all platforms from facebook to twitter to yelp restaurant recommendations in syria. because they use all of these platforms they get ark success to the younger set.

>> he spent his career in the middle east investigating terrorists and their network of terrorists. >> we see 125 different languages being used by isis. >> people may not have homes or jobs or cars but everyone has a phone. >> isis has a media center. >> it seems to me isis almost has a rapidç response team an event happens, they have got their message up where as the old style al qaeda can sometimes take weeks to respond. >> isis also hijacked big news events on-line using a sophisticated media center believed to be based in their strong hold of assyria. they are analyzing the highly released execution videos. >> this media center this is like a digital network. almost like a tv station if you will. >> they have the ability to move cameras, lighting, sound into an

austere situation, do the deed without being molested, nobody is dropping bombs on them or obamaing them over head, mo -- they have the capability to get the equipment, the money to do it. >> did this look to you like they have got a team of professional training? oo yes. >> maybe even former journalists. >> may be former journalists. there is suspicion some people in the music industry is helping them with music and sound, maybe even with executions. >> and if this media guru is believed to be the 33-year-old from the boston area now on the most wanted terrorist list. >> he was born in france speaks multiple languages. he can appeal across multiple language platforms.

>> this is what ice sighs is doi is-d -- isis is doing now. >> we see them taking out hash t -- taking hash tags and sending out their material. >> they are seeing what is trending in the u.s. and they are hijacking that. they did that with celebrity pictures. >> exactly. >> how quickly can some kid in st. louis make a decision, make contact make a decision and go to syria. >> days, hours. we will see somebody that will read the social media entry, it resinates with them they take their mom and dad's credit card buy an airplane ticket and pfly off to turkey or jordan or lebanon. >> katherine using words like pajamas and recipes in their social media posts. >> isis puts the message out in the open you need to know where to find it. if you collect and sift through this information what investigators say aggregate the information, you can see what they are talking about most.

what often jumps out are phrases like so cute or pajamas or peanut butter. investigators try to drill it down to see whether this may be some kind of code or a message that they are trying to communicate to their follower kind of under the radar. >> this is profoundly different than al qaeda. isis verses al qaeda is hugely different with social media. >> it is a generational divide. are willy with isis they found a way to use social media that pours gasoline on the fire of radicalization. in the old days and when i say the old days i am talking about 9-11 it used to be for someone to be recruited or radicalized they had to have this one on one contact like you and i are having right now sort of the mentoring thing. the social media really erased that. younger people who have grown-up with social media they have very intimate contact on-line, so intimate they can have that confidence to either carry out an act of violence at home or

travel overseas to join jihad and syria and iraq. >> coming up we investigate the elusive leader of isis and learn surprising new facts. surprising new facts. that's next. the performance review.

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different terms, the kalif which means successor to mohammed. >> it was the first time many of his followers ever had laid eyes on him when he posted on-line. >> al baghdaddy was known sometimes also as alsamari which

would have been from that part of iraq he's an islamic scholar. >> he has been a shadowy presence for a long time. >> kevin carol served three tours in iraq and afghanistan. he was a case manager in the middle east. >> he was sometimes confused with another high value target who lied al qaeda in iraq who was killed. in the battle of fallujah they had it in 2004, 2005 he is in u.s. custody in iraq. from 2005 to 2009. >> the now closed prison camp was named after a new york city fire marshal killed on 99-11. >> consistent with the u.s. drawdown of forces and turnover

of authorities he was improperly let go in custody in 2009. >> details are sketchy about what happened next. >> they had a great amount of autonomy within the camps in iraq. they kept their command have you beening structure. they were still ordering and planning attacks from inside custody. >> in the years following the de lease later the group rebranded itself as isis. >> he clearly leap frogged ahead of al qaeda by going ahead and declaring a territorial state. something that has in many ways empowered isis the islamic state to really now lay claim to being the islamic terrorist organization in the world. >> back with colonel oliver north and joining us middle east expert and columnist and terrorism expert author of "future jihad."

where is he? >> he's probably in syria, their headquarters the place from which they branched out and taken from the lev vant all of the way down to south of baghdad as of yesterday. more than likely very well defended. we expect, i think they have got the same kind of if you will physical infrastructure you saw recently in gaza. >> i saw you nodding your head when oli spoke. >> they built their infrastructure in roka. that's when the u.s. wasn't looking and wasn't paying attention. the president was so fixated on his red line about using chemical weapons. that's the time baghdaddy jumped over. that's when they began their caliphate islamic state picking over oil fields taking over air fields, taking over all of the elements that are needed to make

a state. he has the protection but at times he shows his face to invigorate the cause and radicalize others to join them as well. >> oli i gue-- waleed that's wh the syrian part of this is so important. the air strikes now are not in syria but if he is hiding there and he's the leader. >> the whole thing is about him being in roka, it is the headquarters but he may not be there. why? they have learned from what was done with al awlaki and bin laden and he would have to communicate unlike with bin laden who cut off everything, this man is the chief of staff and commander of all of these forces. so there aren't communications. which means one could officially be there he could be well

mobile. >> any idea where he is? >> all of the area between mosul and raka is where he could be. >> one of the extraordinary problems we have, we become so de penitent on signal intelligence we have almost no human intelligence to give us reports on where he really might be. >> panel, stay with us. coming up, we are going to take a closer look at the head of isis media wings. new information about his american roots. america's newest real estate brand is all ready the brand of the year. berkshire hathaway home services. good to know. in the nation... the safest feature in your car is you. add vanishing deductible from nationwide insurance

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miles miles destroying 10 homes and other buildings. a army of firefighters from as far away from florida battling the blaze. the man accused of starting the fire remains in jail over $10 million bail. he entered a not guilty plea in court friday. the fire is only 10 percent contained. estimated 100,000 activists for climate change marching in new york city today. the mofarch was one of several around the world to raise awareness about climate change. they are urging policy makers to take quick action and are hoping for a new treaty by the end of 2015. 120 world leaders convened in new york tuesday. i am kelly wright now back to "greta investigates." >> so who is isis new boston bred pr guru.

we sent correspondent to find out. >> you should be considered to be bound and dangerous. >> it is charged in the boston bombing investigation. he is a guy who put a catholic school boy on the fbi most wanted terrorist list. >> they are on their own often times true access to on-line jihad materials. >> is he the head of islamist it wouldn't be the first time an american led the pr campaign for a terror group. until he was killed by a drone in yemen a north carolina native ran the al qaeda on-line magazine "inspire" now it appears they have their own pr guru 32-year-old abu sam. >> suburbs of boston not too far away from where they play football. >> he wis the son of end

chronologist. >> he went to a catholic school not too far away. then he comes over here just for his senior year. we don't know why he left but we know he graduated here in socie soughton. the principal said he didn't seem too out of the offed nature retoo much. >> he studied for 3 un years ully radicalized. he and his wannabe jihad friends would watch propaganda videos plotting to become sopart of th action. >> post 9-11 they start to hate america. >> he traveled on several occasions overseas. his first was in april of 2002 when he traveled to pakistan for the purposes of seeking out military style terrorist training. >> abu samra failed in the first attempt so they returned to the u.s. to try to kill at home. according to these court records

he and his associates plotted an attack on civilians in a shopping mall. they also conspired to assassinate condoleezza rice and then attorney general john ashcroft. again they failed. >> on0l or about february 13th mr. abousamra travelled to the fallujah ariea of iraq. >> he was in fallujah statemeat same time that ago baghdal bagh was. >> they attended this cambridge mosque a point the mosque denies. >> is there any information you can give us about this guy abousamra. >> no. >> do you ever recall seeing him? >> no clue. >> why do you think this mosque keeps coming up attached to terrorism. >> nobody knows. this is a mosque.

everybody is welcome. >> after his jihad tour he returns home to boston and completes his science degree. he along with others produce violent propaganda video and translating on-line messages from bin daued's inner circle. >> by 2006 they investigated add new investigation and spoke with him as well as mr. mohad at-batting. >> they would use peanut butter and jelly for jihad. >> what are you doing? >> i am hanging around and making peanut butter and jelly. >> he went overseas to an area we believed to be snchl indiscernible) >> he is now serving 17 years. he refused our request for an interview. >> december 2013 he was elevated to the fbi's most wanted terrorist list. >> this is the real deal. he knows a lot and they want him. if he is found anywhere on the

planet they are going to grab him. >> he tried to track down abousama's family. they believed he moved to syria but we found doctor abousamra employed at a hospital. how is it an american becomes so radicalized and becomes a guru for a terrorist organization. >> he is not an unusual case. what we do in america when we find somebody, jihadists we start looking at iran whatever the situation is, the reality is the ideology has touched them and will touch others. who indoctrinated these people. once they are indoctrinated they are as many as we can see in this pool. i think 3idjabousamra could hav been (indiscernible) i s.

isis is more effective on the ground. it could plant a flag it could control an area. that is why many are now switching to isis. >> lisa, what about women? are women recruited and if so how are they used? >> women are one of the biggest targets right now. women in the u.s. from the isis point of view why not bring over the women if you want to grow the caliphate they can help procreate they can have the jihadi families you can sell them off as sex slaves. the men need women for their sexual needs and they are very open about that. from the women's point of view this is how radicalized women think they can help the cause. this is their contribution to the jihad and they go over whether they get paid to go over or whether they are lured into some sort of love affair on-line this is what is going on. >> ali abousamra if he were caught and we could get information out of him it would be very helpful. >> i think what walid and lisa

just said about the effect of what he is doing. if he is the prop beganed dau -- pron began -- after they put up videos of executions being carried out mass murders, of course advanced north into kurdistan was because they were showing what they could do to christians. literally crucifiediews -- cruc children. there has not been a propaganda arm as effective as this one. this guy is not only wanted because he has been part of a criminal enter prides, he is wanted because this is a guy who has learned to attract tens of thousands, if you believe the numbers into this cause of isis. >> how dow you do you defeat tht walid. >> (indiscernible snc) he is no just an expert on islam he's an expert on history. he is telling us it is possible.

it is not just going to the founding times of islam damascus is a captive of the caliphate. people believe he is bringing back israel. how to defeat them basically in a move that will have to do eventually it's a generational issue. we have to intercept the next generation. these are 12-year-olds and 14-year-olds we have to make sure the next generation isn't going to go jihadist. >> the influence of iran is what? >> iran is the biggest winner in all of this. they are keeping aside power in syria. back home in iran the human rights violations no one is calling them out on that. in the meantime the u.s. has sanctions has economic breathing space not afraid their own people will be on the streets because of that economic breathing space and we have given them the time to go after the parts of the new program that are missing and the time to play out the clock and to actually get nuclear arms.

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terrorist oirgzation? he has followed terrorist money trails for more than a decade. >> pleasure to be here. >> where is isis getting its money? >> getting some of the money from resources controlling territory the biggest of course is oil. what we used to think was getting 2 million a day it got rolled back to a million maybe a little under a million. only half a million dollars a day take that paycheck that's a lot of money. they are also getting funds not as much as al qaeda but some through major donors in the gulf. that's not as big a deal for them. the problem is they have always been primarily financed through localized crime in iraq always meaning isis is today what used to be in iraq. only back in 2005, 2006 and 2007 the primary funding for insurgency was and continues to be localized crime, political corruption, et cetera. where we have tools to deal with major donors in the gulf we have

tools if we decide to implement them to deal with oil they are siphoning off and smuggling across the boarder. we don't have tools to deal with the crime at home. >> what do you think was the reason for having an enormous ransom figure. they wanted 130 million american dollars and if they have got all of this oil money coming in it and it never got that kind of money for ransom. >> many think they weren't in the mon-- in it for the money a wall. many don't have a random policy at all. they didn't ever intend to ransom them off. >> oil they have they are selling on the black market. >> correct. >> is there any way to shut that down. if oil is selling for $105 a barrel they are selling it for $50 a barrel it looks pretty good. >> smuggler and kurds are selling it sometimes as low as $40 a barrel.

turks in particular pay so much for gas there is supply and demand. you will find people who buy it in turkey. you will be able to buy the trucks across the border you work with middle men in syria you target them law enforcement treasury designations and even a military capability. if they are going across with the truck. >> why aren't we doing it or are we doing it if we need to shut them down for the money? >> this was a political decision. the president decided we are targeting isis. hagel says we are targeting oil and hopefully that will start. we are doing it on the iraq side of the border not the syrian side of the border. that's like squeezing a balloon. if we don't squeeze isis in iraq and syria we are not going to get that far. >> how do we fight this growing threat and can we win?

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>> last december i was in if the kurdish area of iraq. i was in kuirkuk the whole area. people were excited because they thought they turned a corner and the country was starting to build up. they loved americans. within like days or weeks all of a sudden it completely changed. now kurriyrgyzstan the whole ar

that is where isis is. can we help the kurds. >> not just can we help the kurds but can the kurds help the world? is many of us are depending on them along with others in the middle east to come together with isis. we need to support them train them, arm them and have the intelligence and air power to make sure they are successful. >> are the kurds the key to defeating isis. the isis took over fallujah in january, mosul in early summer. >> the kurds are key to northern iraq. the kurds are fighting for kurdistan. ed them a kid ourselves here. long time ago. if you are talking about as many have said squeezing a balloon and letting them all flee back to syria the kurds are not going to fight that fight for us. unfortunately the folks on the ground say it will take 6-12 p months to train, equip, vet, and stenned back into the field the so-called free syrian army.

it has 5,000 people. by the time they get back from being trained in sawed budi ara you will have 45-50 isis fighters and they will have to fight a war against assad and isis. it's a formula for disaster. >> 15,000 more than they have now of isis with 5,000 more iraqis trained or kurds to train. >> one equation if you don't do strategic action against isis now isis is going to double. this is going very fast, faster than before. they doubled to 30,000 and they are not rekruting any more. they are going to see ten's of though uses of you-- thousands young men. >> each thing you talk about is necessary but not efficient. you talk about arming the kurds that's one part of it. you have to come at them ain

their pocket hit them with their pockets. they can always grow and grow and grow. you have to hit them in their cyber capability so they can't raled callize and recruit. monitor them. they keep evolving because ideologies exist. you have to stop looking at it as a reaction nature rety-- rean airy type. >> what is the motive to strike in the u.s.? >> why not? >> they say they can't the caliphate but we have radicalized americans and terrorism here. >> if we pressure them they are going to try to defter us. if you don't fight full pledged they are going to order them to strike. >> if we do nothing? >> they are going to continue to the middle east. we are going to have a little iran. >> the thing now is to go after the air power to go after the logistics support basis the

training centers but you don't reserve power for that. the problem with the air power alone is no one ever captured a piece of ground set a person free with their power alone. it takes rough men with rifles on the ground. >> some people have to go and some other people should not go in. he should not go in. iran should not go in. everybody else is important. kurds in iraq kurds in syria but also the sunni in both countries. >> where are we going to train these fighters? >> they are receiptcally -- theoretically in saudi arabia. fly them down there put u.s. special forces on the ground and train them for somewhere between 6 and 12 months after they have been vetted. mission impossible. >> thank you very much. thank you for joining us tonight. if you want to know more about

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