♪ ♪ ♪ >> we don't want them in. >> we don't want them here those illegal immigrants and all of their children. >> marathon runner type blanket. >> they are breaking the law. >> what exactly are we going to do about it? that's our show. >> also almost half of the life of america if you were able to get here you were in. in the 1800's they put up

restriction mostly racist ones. they were not welcome. congress said they endangered the good order. politicians did what politicians do. the they wept adding mo -- keptg more rules. importers of prostitutes, pol li lig mists, anarchists. by the time they came from ellis island there were more rules you couldn't be sick or noticeably sick. doctors were supposed to check for 60 symptoms of disease. they had only a few seconds to decide. they asked children their name to see if they were deaf or dumb. if you coughed or limped you might be turned away or quarantined. 3,000 immigrants died on ellis island while they were quarantined. in all about 2 percent of the people who arrived at ellis island were sent back. most got in. but racism still prevailed. if you were white and from europe you probably got in. that was good for me because my

parents got in. germany in 1930. today we have many more rules. basically you can come here legally only if you are related to someone already here, you have a rare job skill or you come from a country that sends almost no people to america. there is no rule that allows 10 million immigrants who are already here illegally now to bring their kids in. that leads us to the current crisis. thousands of kids pouring across our borders. fewer now than at the peak a few months ago. first government tries to find them a place to sleep. >> these are the photos taken of the kids last night wrapped in they' marathon runner blankets sleeping in tubs and border patrol agents. >> usually the border patrol that buses those kids to other parts of america.

>> 60 kids in the u.s. from honduras. >> some are furious about that. in one case they chartered a plane and flew 140 immigrants from the texas borders. texas centers were over crowded to california. then they put them on three homeland security buses to take them to a border patrol office in tcalifornia. demonstrators blocked the road. so the department of homeland security turned the buses around. >> what should americans do about these children? just support them? yes said mark head of the center for immigration studies. but jacob warren burger of the future freedom foundation says the solution is open the borders. what do you mean? i am libertarian. some of these people want to kill us and tomorrow want to freeload. let everybody in?

>> open the borders to the people same thing we do domestically. we don't have immigration control despite the fact there are murders and rapists and burglars and terrorists crossing the state lane. he want to use your law enforcement resources to concentrate on the people that are really doing the bad things. when most of the people 98, 99 percent just want to come and work and improve their lives, what is wrong with that? that is what america was built on. >> even if it is 2 percent that want to freeload or one percent that want to murder us, that's huge. >> instead of taking law enforcement resources and diffusing them and letting them control 98 percent of the group of people millions of people that are doing nothing wrong why wouldn't it be better to take your law enforcement resources, because what we do in criminal justice is have it hone in on the malifactors.

>> focus on theed real crooks and cheats and terrorists. >> law enforcement would be a much easier process if we knew who they were. we would track down the terrorists and that would be the end of it. like the science fiction movie with tom cruise when they knew ahead of time what crime you were going to commit. unfortunately that is science fiction. the busboy can sneak through is one that a cartel or a terrorists. we look at the immigration histories of not just 9-11 hijackers but 40 people over the period of a decade. >> they came in legally on some kind of visa and never left. >> so they are getting in any way why not let more people in that want to work? >> because there is no practical limit to the people who come to the united states.

>> we see 10 million people getting into the country illegally. mark is going to tell me they are going to keep out a tiny number who want to do us harm? that's ridiculous. what you are doing is controlling the lives of millions of peaceful people. it is a socialist system. you have government planners central planners planning which immigrant should come in, which one has the best qualifications, why would we except anything more than just planned chaos? >> terrorists have been caught 2013 at the canadian border two men charged with plotting a terrorist attack against the canadian pass ger train support from al qaeda. 1999 washington state they caught a 34-year-old algerian with bomb materials. he wanted to bomb the los angeles airport. glad we had controls to catch those guys.

>> you wanted to examples that in fact worked. we had 10-12 illegal aliens who came in snuck through or came in legally or lied to us and stayed illegally. it would be 2, 3, 4, 5, 10 times that big a number if we didn't have the controls we have. there are # 4 million legal immigrants on various waiting lists already. that number would be dramatically larger if there was a realistic -- >> we had higher percentage of immigrants living in america in 1915 than we do now. >> slightly higher. not much higher. we are now close to the historic highs in our history. my grandparents came here from the middle east. they came to a country that did not have anything like a welfare state or government sector that had to be supported by taxpayers like we do today. those are realities we have to deal with. we can't wish them away. we sant say immigration would be great if we got rid of the welfare state. get rid of the welfare state

then we will talk about immigration. >> that would be good but it is not likely to happen. >> but the kids it's not their fault. they are kids. you just deport them? >> the parents are paying to smuggle them in. >> you are going to fly them back to gang wars they will be tortured. >> there are tebl situations all over the world. does every person from congo get to come to the united states? >> what is the root cause of these crisis? why are kids coming over here? you have the government drug war that has been going on for erickc decades in guatemala and costa rica. >> why do people want to do us harm with terrorist attacks. you have the government intervening with bombs and missiles and supportive dictatorships. >> some people would want to kill us even if we didn't do that. >> the crux of the anti american terrorist is rooted in american

policy. they came because the government was killing them. let's dismantle that and see if what you say is right. my experience is people love americans, they don't like what the u.s. government is doing. what does the government do? takes away our freedom. immigration controls are an freedom. we have border checkpoints now within the border. >> close to the border. >> two-thirds of where americans live. >> two thirds of america is 1100 miles. >> two-thirds of the population. >> they go through you say american citizen they say yes that's the end of it. it is a necessary tool because you need to have defense in

depth. because of america's larger point saying if we withdrew from the world and if we ended the drug war et cetera, et cetera>> they don't have to withdraw from the world they said stop bombing the world. >> even if somehow islam lands tomorrow they don't want to kill us any more there are all of these bad guys out there. part of the function of the nation state is to protect its citizens from bad guys on the outside. one of the important and essential tools of that is immigration controls. >> they had the snipers killing people in dc around the dc area. they were crossing from maryland into virginia killing people. >> we didn't impose travel restrictions from the two states. we didn't put immigration pat controls trekking everybody from maryland to virginia and back and forth. law enforcement concentrated on finding these guys. they didn't control everybody

else. >> what about that? >> united states to mexico they basically rejected the concept of national sovereignty. image there is no country and image there's no borders. the real world is the one we have to deal with. the government in my nation to be doing what he can to protect my children and my fellow citizens from bad guys on the outside. >> protecting bad guys is a role for government. what about the rules who keep people who wanted to work out. >> you have to wait years to get in. >> there are a variety of categories you have to be related or have certain job skills or whatever. >> you want to create jobs. >> we take a million people a year into the united states from

abro abroad. the majority of the people are low skill workers who compete with our own low skilled american workers. we have a responsibility not to torpedo the employment chances and life chances who have enough difficulty in dealing with the dislocations of globalization. >> this is a zero sub world we hear from politicians all of the time. the immigrant takes a job. >> it is ridiculous. immigrants produce jobs. they create prosperity. they have seen it historically that's one of the reasons the united states surpassed the world in the 19th century in terms of economic prosperity. we should be embracing them not ostracizing them. >> nah jacob and mark. to comment you can go to facebook we would like to know

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>> america keeps spending more money and sending more border at that time patrol officers to america's borders. now we use drones to look for people sneaking into the country. more money, more equipment but it doesn't work. big money fences and drones are not making it safer. that's the sub title of the new book border in security. she is a retired air force captain and works for law enforcement agency and says there's one law that makes it much harder to police the border. what's that? >> you have drugs that are illegal and that is obviously making a big challenge for law enforcement agencies to stop drug traffickers then you have immigration policies that are constantly changing and

sometimes the message being sent to the countries of origin so immigrants are in direct conflict with what's happening on the ground. >> let's focus on the drug law. you used to support the drug law wholeheartedly. what changed your mind? >> a lot of experience with this line of work. when i was in law enforcement with the military for several years anti drug kind of comes with the program. then when i started working on drug war issues and security issues i started to learn more about the illegal effects of drugs. people who use illegal drugs will use them no matter what. >> how does this hurt border patrol? >> you have a black market. whether it is drugs gam elling

or prostitution now you have this enormous multi billion dollar business of mexican drug cartels and if they are willing to do anything it takes to get those products to users in the united states. >> it gives them incentive to sneak across the border. not only mexico many are suffering from this. the president of honduras answer living in emergency for a decade. the united states and columbia carried out big operations in the fight against drugs. spread it to his country like squeezing a balloon. >> this has been going on for over 100 years. whether you agree or disagree with the policies those interventions whether it is military cia comes back to bite us decades later. the same number of people use the drug. sometimes when i listen to my president speak i think he is

about to do something sincible. america's war on drug is not working. >> frankly no matter how good of a job we are doing we are going to continue to see not only drug use but also the violence associated with the drug trade. >> the same speech looks like this. >> am i willing to pursue the de criminalization strategy as an approa approach>> no? he sees it when she works he used the drugs the administration locks it up for music they used the border patrol and creates a vicious crime and the government says no i am not going to change anything. at least you changed your mind you were flexible enough. >> it took a lot of time and research. i wasn't in a political situation that is so sensitive. >> here is a sample of the media discussion about this.

>> you know it's one way to fix all of this is if people in america would stop doing drugs when they go out at nightclubs every single freaking weekend. >> people should just stop using drugs. >> two-ways to stop the drug problems is make all drugs either completely legal or you get americans to stop demanding the drugs in the first place. it is an american thing and to get them to change their mind set is the use of substances is extremely difficult. >> those who strongly support the drug war acknowledge laws make it harder to patrol the border. here's a republican congressman from illinois. >> the cartels figured out not only how to make money for children but they can use thatdy straks and border patrol being distracted by the number of children to get more drugs over

the border and pollute our youth. >> kids are getting horribly abused and being used by the drug tar tells but they don't want to use the drugs it is too frightening. look at all of the americans who would be poisoned. >> we had the attitude in the 20's and 30's with prohibition. it's a mind set. with marijuana the movement toward legalization and even at the state level has been easier for people to swallow. we have had so many years to observe that it is not killing as many people as we thought not as dangerous and aticket dikt tive. that has been something in t the -- not as dangerous and addictive. >> why do you think the virtual fence works? i would think that would be a big improvement. >> part of the problem was there was little control in spending. u.s. customs and protection and

department of homeland security did not monitor how it was being shelled out the cost over ones the time over runs. >> it's the usual government indpins. >> being too big for its britches. >> hot dogs hair drier and god bless america. ♪ my home tweet home. >> we have things like this song because of immigrants. next. people say immigrants will take american jobs and some will. but the overall effect, that is good. next.

>> in europe some kids have a new way of learning history. >> they are very exicited about

history, curious. that's what history does for them makes them curious. >> sounds good. >> why don't we have this in our school? is probably because the founder of the company that invented the digital learning program is not allowed to work in america. he is thomas kech el he's in belgium now. why aren't you allowed to work here? >> it is actually very short and not much room for entrepreneurs like me. there is no start up visa either. we are limited as to how we can get in the country and work. >> the v 1 visa allows you to come here and visit but you can't work. for that you need the h1 v. america accepts applications for that every year. they have every available visa within less than a week. i can see why it is tough for

people like you. >> it is absolutely crazy. there are companies and lots of founders like me who are coming from europe and all over the world coming from the u.s. to create jobs for americans. we are stopped at the border and coming back in 3 months stints. we are not allowed to physically work. it is proving difficult for companies like us. >> why can't you hire americans from belgium build your company here from belgium? >> the founder has to be there at least one of the founders. it is important to keep the relations up with the investors through the u.s. and also selling to schools and districts. we need one of the founders to conduct the businesses in the u.s. >> a number of successful entrepreneurs agree with you facebook founder mark sglushg

zucker berg trihe group makes videos features applicants like this princeton due dent. >> a lot of people like me can do brilliant things but i am not able to because of the immigration. >> an american billionaires nayed elson, warren buffet and bill gates wrote the op ed to say it's insanity to train motivated people in our universities and deport them when they graduate. rel o roll out the welcome bat. in response to that this includeless republican senator from alabama said this. >> we need to create jobs for americans first before we bring in foreign workers to take those jobs. >> tochomas what about that? >> don't bring a few foreigners.

>> most of our businesses have done this. it is silly to think a p founding member is not from the u.s. is going to hire none u.s. employees that's just not going to happen. in canada all of the programs you try to make an investment like you want to do they let you in. canada had a billboard at san francisco. you ngot a problem getting workers come to canada. >> i think canada is doing pretty well with that. moving up north to canada it doesn't make much sense. still have to come down to the u.s. and speak to schools and districts all over the country. >> maybe some day you will be allowed to work here and get all of the good ideas. >> coming up. >> illegal aliens sneak in here they have their kids and they

are on a welfare program. >> the illegals are on welfare they are a drain on america's wealth. is that true? >> i thought they were egible for that what is truth? we will debate that next. for over a decade,

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takers. there are detailed studies that come to opposite conclusions. kato institute did research that concluded poor immigrants use far less warfare than poor americans do. other studies found the opposite. who is lying here? >> let me say this. the question of immigrants use less than americans are the same education theirs doesn't look so bad. high school dropout americans use a lot of welfare so do immigrants. that's not where the big difference is. immigrants is so much more likely to be high school dropouts in the first place. the thing you have to understand is about welfare in america work and welfare go together like love and marriage. >> they fight each other. >> no, here's why. the way our welfare system has been redesigned it's to help low

income workers with children. you can work full-time but your kids can get free school lunch. you can work and be on medicaid. you can work and get food stamps. you can work and get public housing. >> they have been redesigned to limit noncitizen access to the program. that was part of the reform to prevent them from getting the programs in the first place. >> if you are illegal you are not eligible. >> you can get a green card you can't get them either. >> except you get free public schooling and free hospitalization. that is a form. >> steve talked a lot about households. that meaps he's counting kids in these house folds who are american citizens born. >> they have the taxes they

don't pay. >> the heritage foundation takes his side. the net drain minus services used is 14,000 dollars for illegal headed households $4,000 negative for legal immigrants. >> this is what the other studies do they do not count the tax benefits. one of the best ways is to have kids who work for years and pay going forward. that doesn't count the social security and medicare. a oo a lot of them turn back to home countries without that. >> the national academy of science, basically on net drains on average back in the # the 0s. >> they gain later. >> it takes 18 years to cut back

the drain. after 40 years they are a net positive for americans in terms of taxes. that assuming i am grants and children are going to do well as past generations. >> they are not? >> evidence suggests they are not. >> immigrants do better over the generations but they are not closing the gap but not nearly as fast as past generations. >> this system is different. f÷ are different. what we don't sees immigrants start a lot of business contribute to the economy in the long run. >> last point legal immigration you agree at least when people have skills we should be quicker to let people in? >> you would have more skilled immigrants but make sure they have a need. >> science technology and math. >> so government decides what t the needs are?

>> that is government. that is not how it works. you say let the market go. >> the market should decide what they value. the market that drove me to go from california to virginia is the market that drove to china. >> we can make predictions and pick what we need. >> also this immigration knew solyndra was going to be the future of solar technology. >> they have every ten years about what jobs are going to be created where they would be and they were off by multitudes. the idea they are going to design labor policy with immigrants abroad is absurd. >> they want the american people to be able to choose. >> do it with the department of labor. >> they will decide they want this much information from yo

uraguay. >> that's how a sovereign people make a decision. what is the ab source capacity of our schools. your position is business should be able to push as many kids in our school even if they can't take it. >> they can choose which ones they want to go to and if they want to open a school. it shouldn't be politicians. the funding for schools is still going to come from taxpayers unless they have nothing to do with that. >> the bottom line is that. the onlyç way not is to push i down the throat of the american people. the public is showing they want women. they like immigration but they also have concerns with integration and ab source and capacity of schools all kinds of things. they had it in some kind of democratic way. >> this debate will go on.

here's what the stossel show researchers concluded after looking at the research from both sides. immigrants do on average collect slightly more welfare. mostly because people who come here are more than likely to be poor. they contributed enough to the economy it makes up for what they take in welfare. the well respect issed research council you mentioned says the typical immigrants and his children contribute 80,000 dollars over their lifetime. >> over 300 years that's how long that protecti projection i. >> so far immigration has been a win for america but let's be weary of our ever growing welfare state. that could wreck everything. >> youtube, bicycle, blenders, atm's, comfortable jeans and basketball. what do those things have in common.

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>> i rarely listen to politicians. so much is self serving pan derri pannedering for votes. like a stopped clock elected officials sometimes say things that really matter even the

intrusive nanny type states like this one. >> we are pushing people that other countries want away from our shores and when they invent the next best thing the job creation, drugs, the job creation technologies, the creation service they are going to be doing it in other countries. >> we push inventors away. we want those people creating things here. many entrepreneurs won't they fill the gap? is probably not. there's something that makes them think differently and we often benefit from that creativity. it's how we got ebay, nordstrom, kraft foods and so on. all of those companies were started by immigrants. we like their products and b those companies create jobs here.

he created more than 100 jobs in america. ye your company is context media. what do you do? >> they provide educational videos for people living with the condition like diabetes. >> when they are rudely making us wait we are subjected to your propaganda. >> it is in the waiting room as well as the exam room we partner with them to see what they benefit from. they over came the challenges through it. >> here is a sample of what people watch. >> a good morning coffee having high blood pressure makes you more likely to have a stroke eating low fat cheese and milk may bring down high blood pressure. >> that is useful for some

people. the average wait time for an appointment is 34 minutes, 62 percent of the patients did discuss the programming with their doctor. 87 percent found is useful. that's a big thing. what did your coming here from india have to do with your hiring 100 people from america? why couldn't alleluia r alleluia mublg have doing it? >> whow to solve problems and hw to be opportunistic and really serve and learn and integrate is a perspective you gain when you are arriving to a new life with new people. >> you came here when you were 19. you went to northwestern university. must have been scared to leave your country? >> it was a big step arriving at chicago o'hare with a bag and visa to study at northwestern. my mom brought us up to dream big and work regahard to make t

dreams a reality. i had the opportunity to learn and contribute. >> the environment is a little different. the american environment risk taking entrepreneur ship and more willing to try new innovation. they are solving problems more future looking. >> indians who you know who your family is, was. >> here it doesn't look at where you come from it looks more at where you are headed and what you want to do to make a difference. >> are you an indian or american? >> i am an indian american. i have indian values. i am from indian ethnicity but i have american values which are very similar. >> if you had to pick one? >> american. you can be american without letting go of where you come from. you can i want great.

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no one should be exempt from the law. they have paths to citizenship for the millions of illegal immigrants who are here now. they want to be in america they ought to return to their own country, apply for a visa or work permit legally. america should not reward law breaking. that just makes sense. except what if the immigrant did that went to the u.s. embassy and said i would like to work in america legally. he would get paperwork to fill out and he would go home to wait and wait. a forbes investigation found a high school graduate would wait on average 130 years. we were telling illegal workers do it legally just wait 130 years. makes no sense. we should make legal immigration easier. relax the rules issue work permits. immigrants co founded most of silicone valley startups.

the patent office says immigrants invent things at twice the rate of native born americans. immigrants have the ambition and guts to leave their home to pursue an american dream. we ought to let more of them in. not just ph.d. half of american agriculture workers are here illegally according to the agricultural department. without them food would cost much more. milk would cost 61 percent more. some people say maybe immigrants are in the past they worked hard tried to assimilate. today's i am grants are differe -- immigrants are more likely to collect welfare and less likely to adopt the american work ethic. maybe today's immigrants are different. i doubt it. every immigrant has been said to be unclean, criminal.

one describes them as illiterate and illegal in the extreme. the lowest type of character and intelligence. irish immigrants had such a bad reputation businesses posted job notices, no irish need apply. today the irish italians and once vilified groups are leaders in america. now the complaint is immigrants steal our jobs. yes, they do sake some but they create now jobs, too. when people come to another country and encounter a new, they create the best and create useful things. image your life without google searchs, cheap ikea furniture, youtube, bicycles, blenders, atm's, all came from p immigrants. what would your life be like without blow driers. >> concentrated for the tough to

dry clayses. we have devices like that because in our immigrants with that's correct improved on a french envision. they also gave us basketball, football the first shopping mall kwfrtable jeans. immigration also enriches our range wauj, jewish immigrants gave us the word glitch. gee whiz came from the irish. ♪ >> this beautiful song was written by an immigrant. i could go on and on. i am not able to talk to you at all because an immigrant in australia saw the need for false news. >> america can say yes to immigration. >> she said the great err the number of laws the more thieves and robbers there will be. if people are allowed to come here illegally fewer will sneak

in then it will be easier to police the border because they can focus on actual criminals or a terrorists. that's our show. see you next week. network. fox. >> are we any closer to knowing what the obama administration strategy for dealing with iowa sis is? does the administration have a strategy or a clue? can the u.s. stopped suspected american born terrorist from reentering the country. and the democrats are fuelling up the war on women talk. i will ask women what they want. and rock and roll legend sam moore with a tribute to the late george jones. that and more tonight "huckabee." j'kfh ♪ hello,