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challenge is to figure out how to get the box out without damaging the statue. we've had those here in new york city, and they're in the historical society. it's really cool. bill: we'll let you know whether or not they can pop the lion's head off. [laughter] have a great weekend, right? martha: yep. "happening now" starts right now. bye, everybody. jon: and on this weekend a fox news alert about a travel nightmare in chicago, a fire at an faa radar center has grounded flights at o'hare and midway airports. police say the fire was deliberately set but, quote, is no terrorists act. authorities say the fire was intentionally set by a contractor at the faa facility in what was believed to be a suicide attempt. more than 800 flights canceled between o'hare and midway alone, that is going to reverberate across the country. the delays caused by this expected to have flights nationwide delayed, so if you
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are flying somewhere today, call ahead. we are monitoring the story, we will bring you the or very latest. ♪ ♪ jon: u.s. and coalition fighters pound isis targets in iraq and syria, this as one key ally -- the united kingdom -- decides today whether to join the airstrikes in iraq against the brutal terroristses. welcome to this edition of "happening now," i'm jon scott. heather: ten new airstrikes taking place overnight, and the key target for the second straight day is isis' main source of funding, of course,ing that oil. coalition airplanes bombing oil installations in syria and other key targets in iraq. jon: meanwhile, fbi director james comey says the u.s. has identified the isis terrorists who beheaded the american journalists, also a british aid worker.
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conor powell begins our coverage this hour live from our mideast bureau. connor? >> reporter: well, jon, we're starting to get a better picture of how the pentagon and u.s. are starting to approach this campaign in syria against isis and in iraq as well. it looks like the pentagon's plan with the arab allies is to try to starve the organization of much-needed cash and also to try to reduce their fighting capabilities. now, the pentagon continues to attack modular oil refineries that isis uses to refine oil and then sell that on the black market in places like turkey. the pentagon estimates they can produce about $2 million a day of much-needed cash to sort of fund their campaign of terror across both iraq and syria. this is all about these airstrikes taking out these modular oil refineries, all about hitting isis this the pocketbook. they're also, though, targeting military equipment that isis has seized in the past few months. the pentagon says coalition airstrikes have knocked out
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about a dozen or so armored vehicles and tanks used by isis in both iraq and syria. this first phase is all about breaking up isis' army that stretches across both countries. as all this is happening, fox news has learned that syrian president bashar al assad has continued to maintain a chemical weapons stockpile despite an international agreement to give up weapons. israeli officials have told fox news and reuters they believe assad continues to keep a significant arsenal of chemical and biological weapons like mustard and serin gas. and just yesterday the associated press reported syrian rebels claim pro-assad troops used some type of chemical weapons on rebels outside of damascus. it's not clear what was used, but we're still trying to verify this information. looks like some type of possibly a chlorine-based substance was used on rebels outside of damascus. we're still trying to get information, but if this is true, jon, obviously, it ass to the concerns and -- it adds to
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the concerns and problems the u.s. is facing in also trying to prevent assad from defeating the so-called good rebels there. isis, assad, all of syria, jon, is a mess right now. jon: and so many of them just willing to slaughter their own people, that's the amazing part. conor powell, thank you. heather: we are keeping an eye on the u.k. this morning, awaiting a big decision from great britain just about an hour from now when lawmakers will vote whether or not to join the u.s. in airstrikes against isis. prime minister david cameron urging parliament to vote yes early this morning, promising no ground forces would be used. britain's vote comes as another ally now joins the airstrike effort. greg talcott is live in london. let's start out with that authorization for the u.k. it would only include iraq and not syria. >> reporter: that's one of provisos, yeah. we've been tracking the debate in the u.k. parliament all day today, and it's looking increasingly like britain will
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soon be going to war. the folks are still talking inside the halls of parliament, some even speaking critically of the resolution. but that resolution backing britain joining the u.s. and others in airstrikes against isis appears to have very strong cross-party support. now, the resolution specifically says, however, that british planes would only be attacking isis inside iraq, it notes there will be no british ground troops involved and also warns of a pretty long time frame. here is one of several very emotional and passionate comments coming from u.k. prime minister david cameron. take a listen. >> we would want to see a stable iraq and, over time, a stable syria too. we want to see isil degraded and then destroyed as a serious terrorists force. but let me be frank, we should not expect this to happen quickly. the hallmarks of this campaign will be patience and persistence, not shock and awe. >> reporter: shock and awe, a clear reference to the 2003 iraq
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war. that conflict was very unpopular here. in fact, over the past couple days we've seen some small protests, but the latest poll shows the majority of brits are in favor of getting involved. one reason why, isis represents a genuine threat to the homeland here. scotland yard announcing today that two more people have been arrested on terror charges, this in addition to the nine arrested yesterday including a radical cleric who lately has been expressing strong support for isis, another factor as in the u.s. as grisly isis videos, one showing the beheading of a british man. finally, if the vote does go in favor of participation, it is reported here that u.k. jets could be flying off from their mediterranean cyprus base as early as tonight, and they will be joined by aircraft -- it was announced today -- coming from denmark. french planes are already flying sororities, holland is also involved, possibly belgium as well. heather, one final those and
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relating to all that, the e.u.'s counterterrorism chief today came out and said that there are 3,000 europeans either fighting with isis or other groups in syria and in iraq, or they've already come back home. that's 3,000 real threats to the homelands here. we're waiting on that vote, should be coming up maybe in the next hour. bang to you. heather: all right, greg, we'll be checking in with you. a lot going on today, wow. in the meantime, as british police sting take down alleged terrorists, at least two countries say the dangerous recruiting network is no longer a threat. nine men were arrested in spain and morocco, and those countries claim these guys were recruiting other potential jihadis in the region. that cell is believed to have contact in isis in syria as well as with al-qaeda-linked groups in mali. morocco has been a major recruiting source supplying fighters to syria and also parts of africa. ♪ ♪
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jon: the suspect in the disappearance of a university of virginia student is apparently not fighting extradition. jesse matthew jr. could be headed back to virginia as early as today after his capture in texas. but at this hour there is still no sign of uva sophomore hannah graham. she disappeared more than a week ago, and now police are focusing on abandoned properties. they say there is a long road ahead. peter doocy is live in charlottesville with more. peter? >> reporter: and, jon, police are now hoping for some high-tech help even as their crews very slowly search remote rural areas. they're asking anybody in the county or this part of virginia to, that might have a wildlife camera on their property to rewind back to september 13th and look for any signs of hannah graham or jesse matthew. >> suggestion was made about wildlife cameras, folks who have these large parcels of land will oftentimes -- much like i would
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in my house on this little postage stamp of a city -- put up a camera to monitor indepress and egress on my property. i don't want, but lots of -- i don't, but lots of folks have. there are these wildlife cams on these parcels that we, perhaps, had not thought of. >> reporter: the police chief says they are prepared to investigate thousands of tips because right now they have no idea where hannah graham is. police are always trying to figure out where jesse matthew likes to fish because one tip suggested fishing is a favorite pastime of the suspect. he stood in front of a judge via video conference, and he kept complaining about his prison jump suit and wanted to know where his clothes were, but he did not fight extradition, so he will be back in charlottesville sometime this weekend, and they're bringing him from texas back to virginia on a commercial flight and taking a high profile suspect like that on a commercial flight, obviously, requires a lot of planning and
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coordination, so that explains why he's not back already. but he basically is the -- enroute from texas, and we expect to see him in a virginia courtroom before a virginia judge on monday. again, via video conference. jon? jon: and what about the questioning? i mean, has anybody talked to him yet? >> reporter: sorry, jon, you cut out there? what was that? jon: i just wanted to know if they've asked him any questions about hannah yet. >> reporter: our understanding is that they are not asking him any questions yet because his lawyer is here, so they're going to wait for him to get back here and then, basically, see if they can get him, get any information out of him, jon. jon: peter doocy joining us from charlottesville, virginia. thank you. heather: our local affiliate there actually reporting that police from virginia had headed down to texas, and they're taking a look at the car they drove down there with. we'll keep you posted. in the meantime, right now all eyes op wall street after the dow fell 1.5% or more than 250 points yesterday.
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let's take a look at the big board right there, it is up about 84 points right now. right now the dow -- that's where it is. other u.s. major stock benchmarks suffering their worst selloff since july 31st yesterday. good news today, second quarter gdp raised to its highest rate in two years, so we'll keep an eye on the markets throughout the show. jon: there's a new firestorm brewing in ferguson, missouri, after the police chief's attempts to make amends with protesters, they seem to have hit a roadblock. plus, critics accuse president obama of being too focused on public opinion amid the latest airstrikes on isis. we'll ask karl rove what he thinks about that coming up. >> are this president polls too much, pays too much attention to the polls. stop looking. he is a wartime leader whether he likes it or not.
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heather: a new round of unrest erupting in ferguson, missouri, on the heels of the police chief's apology to michael brown's family for the death of their son and the subsequent attempt to march alongside protesters. look at this from last night. well, a lot of anger and sadness there. in the meantime, brown's parents are pressing the outgoing attorney general, eric holder, for a full investigation into the events leading up to a shooting by a police officer. mike tobin is live for us in chicago with the latest. hi, mike. what are things looking like today? >> reporter: well, it looks like it's still pretty tense, especially last night. the police chief of ferguson elected to march with the protesters, marching with them much like captain ron johnson of the missouri state police did. it was late at night, and the crowd grew rapidly. there were about 40 people at the beginning, and the crowd really surged before it all melted down. it's not clear what triggered the clash. some witnesses have said it's because protesters didn't want chief jackson there, some have
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said police started it, one local reporter simply because a number of people tripped, but in the end, four people were taken into u.s.ty, and another ugly scene was played out in ferguson. everything seems to have boiled to the surface finding a fire at the makeshift memorial to michael brown. people went door to door and told people police intentionally started that fire. following that, there were clashes in the street. yesterday chief jackson released this apology, and that was before the chief elected to join the protest. the chief became a lightning rod for controversy when he released a video of michael brown stealing cigars from a convenience store shortly before brown was shot. now, this latest round of clashes, a beauty store there in ferguson was looted for the third time, and a museum and custard store had a fire set inside. a police source is now very
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concerned that all of this violence will drive business out of ferguson and make everything worse. heather? heather: mike tobin in chicago. still so raw there. thanks a lot. ♪ jon: as we await the british parliament vote on airstrikes in iraq, back here at home president obama finds himself in an unexpected role; as a wartime president. the president campaigned on a promise to end the iraq war, as you know. he frequently criticized president bush for taking military action. but now he's launching airstrikes himself without the explicit approval of congress, so secretary of state john kerry is trying to buttress his boss' actions, writing in an editorial. welcomejon: let's bring in karl, former senior adviser to president george w. bush. he is a fox news contributor.
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what do you make of the secretary of state's editorial, karl? >> well, first of all, i think that was unnecessary. it just simply demonstrates that secretary kerry has not gotten over the 2004 election. it added to nothing to -- nothing to his editorial, it is inappropriate. obviously, every american president who has to deal with these questions gives them a great deal of soul searching and asks a lot of questions. i thought the editorial, frankly, was not helpful. it spent most of its time describing what the united states would not do. very few people will ride to the should of an uncertain drum penalty, and if secretary kerry's job is to unite -- trupp trupp -- trumpet. there's also minor factual issues. the day before in his united nations speech, president obama talked about having 40 members of -- 40 nations being a member of the coition -- coalition, and
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in secretary kerry's column the next day magically that number had grown to 60 allied countries. so someone in the administration is either underestimating the number or, i think more likely, boosting the number artificially. their credibility is at stake here. there are far too many critics who have raised serious doubts about the efficacy of this strategy, whether or not it will work, and secretary kerry doesn't need to make it worse by this little slam at president obama's predecessor and the exaggeration on the number of countries allied with us in this effort. jon: he wrote, i am proud to work for a president who asks questions before using military force. you've heard the critics who say, you know, the white house basically ignored the advances of isis. they saw fallujah fall months ago, and if this response, this aerial bombardment had come earlier, isis might not be the problem that it is today. >> yeah. look, if the united states had a stay-behind force as president obama said he wanted to have,
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there's every, there's every indication that they would not have been able to advance and explode and grab such a huge amount of territory because we would have had americans on the ground, stiffening the spine of the iraq can keys, providing logistical and air support and doing some targeted counterterrorism missions. president obama, look, the speech that he gave this week at the united nations, the small part of it devoted, actually, to the issue in iraq was okay. but it's at conflict with his past words and actions and policies for the last six years, and as a result, what's going to matter to people are the results of this, and as i said earlier, critics are estimating, are raising real questions about whether or not this strategy's going to to be able to work. glad that he's taking this step is, but there are real questions as to whether or not it's going to degrade and destroy isil. jon: as you well know, every president has world actions thrust upon him. your boss, george w. bush, never expected what happened on 9/11/2001. at the same time, you know, so the actions of, say, a vladimir
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putin in ukraine cannot be laid at the feet of president obama, but at the same time obama -- i'm sorry, putin is sizing up the resident of the oval office and figuring out what kind of response he'll have. >> yeah. look, this is why the actions and words and deeds of the last six years are so problematic, because people like putin look at obama and say i can roll him. and he did. he moved into crimea saying i have no territorial ambitions in crimea, and three weeks later it was part of greater russia. and what president obama said at the u.n. has got to be causing gales of laughter in the creme creme -- kremlin. i'm sure that just absolutely scares putin. jon: karl rove, we have to say good-bye. thanks very much for your thoughts. >> thank you, sir. thank you, jon. heather: well, two weeks since
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heather: police at this hour scrambling to hunt down eric frein, the self-trained survivalist who's suspected of opening fire on a barracks in pennsylvania. it has now been two weeks since that ambush that resulted in the death of one pennsylvania state trooper and serious injury to another. rick leventhal has been following the story for us, he's live again today in pennsylvania. rick, this is interesting, police are now searching an abandoned hotel? why? >> reporter: yeah. and there are a lot of them around here, heather. you know, if anything, the search is intensifying now after a couple of weeks. we can tell you that teams of
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fbi agents are joining police in a search of that abandoned hotel. it's a massive property just a few miles from here. they kept our camera at a distance this morning for today's operation. they say it wasn't in response to a sighting, but that suspect eric frein was known to visit the area around the bunk hill ip. it's a 400-room resort that's been abandoned for more than 20 years. it's one of many empty properties in the poconos that could be hiding places. police have been actively searching the area we've been in northern monroe county. they have a moving perimeter of officers and agents on foot and in vehicles, along the roads and in the woods. there have been roughly a thousand men and women here involved in this manhunt for the past 13 days, and there have been multiple reported sightings of fine, a self-taught survivalist who place are saying is making a game of the search
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by showing i'm sorry and then disappearing back -- himself and then disappearing back into the rugged terrain. he's wearing adult diapers, and now after two weeks a lot of residents who have been ip convenienced and are, you know, upset about this ongoing search, they're wondering how much longer it can possibly go on and, of course, police have no idea at this point. heather: boy. can you imagine how nervous those residents would be? rick, let's just put up that picture of that hotel. that place is enormous, it reminds us of shining right there. police have to go through that room by room, and that is just one of many abandoned places in that area, you say? >> reporter: yeah, yeah. and this is a very massive property that's been empty since the early '90s. and a lot of vandals have been in there, they've spray painted and trashed the place, but it also offers a lot of hiding places, and there are many other, hundreds of other properties in and amongst the
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mountains, so these authorities have is to go in, search it, clear it and protect it to make sure he doesn't go back in there again. heather: and going around all those corners, those men and women have to be very, very brave. rick leventhal, we'll check in with you later with any new news. thank you. >> will do. jon: what a place to hide. well, the head of the fbi says the agency now knows the identity of the masked isis terrorist who beheaded two american journalists in syria. are we any closer to catching him? a former covert cia officer is here. plus attorney general eric holder stepping down as the nation's top cop. so how will he be remembered in we'll look at what his legacy may be after six years heading the justice department, whether his resignation is simply about politics. >> do you believe that he is stepping down, you know, for reasons that are not political, that he's just hat enough? -- had enough? >> no, he does can everything
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heather: the head of the fbi says they don't believe or they do belief they know the identity of isis terrorist who beheaded two americans, james foley and steven sotloff. they were held by isis in syria
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but so far they're not naming the executioner. mike baker, former covert officer for cia, president of dill against llc, global at the against and security firm. hi, mike. they won't name the person but they say they know who it is. why? >> the timing is interesting. from a tactical and from operational perspective you wonder why they release this sort of information. they started, they got busy trying to identify who this individual going by pseudonym, jihadi john, wielding the knife on the atrocities of the beheading videos. mi 5, mi 6 and the met, the terrific police force in london. started with initial target pool. took all extremists and with sympathies for jihad its. those traveled back and forth to the middle east. individual they have been monitoring up to that point. they start to narrow that pool down and do that with significant support from the u.s. intel community and fbi.
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a lot of technical collection effort. a lot of communications intercepts, a lot of work goes on in this realm. they have identified the individual. the question you ask, why bring it up now? heather: why now not put it picture, why not identify the guy so somebody can try to target him. >> look, typically in intelligence operation you would stay off the radar screen. you would identify the individual and start building a map. you would start building a picture of what that individual's world looks like. you would be monitoring his associates. monitoring all the activities they're involved in. widening the net and building a better understanding of all the various individuals. what does that give you? gives you actionable operational leads that take you further and further into the network and provide more solid intelligence. if you come out now as the fbi director and a handful of individuals in the u.k. have done, well we have identified this jihadi john, something has happened. internally they have become aware jihadi john and his
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associates are aware they have been identified. maybe they have gone underground. our services, let's put this out. let's shake it up a little bit, see what movement we get. that would be one reason. you never know. send call side maybe for political purposes to show we're ahead of the game but i doesn't that is the case. heather: maybe shake it up and see what comes as a result. are you confident somebody in our government or one of our allies, since we apparently know who this guy is, is going to go out and try to snatch-and-grab him? >> yes. i mean, identifying was the first step. then again, building this target list of those around them. you know and i think that there is no doubt we've gotten very good at this, certainly in concert with our british allies, services there. we've got very good at this part of the war on terror. so will we be actively targeting them and you know, are his days numbered? absolutely. i would hope that that will include firing a rocket up his
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tail pipe as opposed to saying pick him up and engage in criminal proceeding. >> that is the question if we do get the guy, what happens to him. does somebody take him out or do we try to bring him back. i don't know where they put him, in lower manhattan since they're not taking anybody to gitmo anymore but we have any intelligence on the ground here in syria? any americans? are we getting any good intelligence from anybody >> you're asking a very, very important question here and that speaks to our visibility into this whole problem. our intelligence, our humint intelligence has always been heavily dependent on that part of the world on our allies, working with our regional partners in particular, whether jordanians or saudis or others that has been a key part of this and our regional partners, you know, they don't always work in lockstep with us but on the intel side of it we do have a olid -- solid relationship built
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up over the years. that is key part of the ability to see inside the chaos that is syria right now. also ever since the strife started years ago in syria related to assad we've been working very hard to try to understand who the opposition groups are and that's been obviously a sticking point up to this point. we still don't have the clarity we need to have the comfort to say, okay, we're arming and training these individuals and down the road they will continue to our best interests in part. heather: some of the opposition groups are saying they're upset with us, their main goal is take at assad. our main goal is take out isis. we may not be on the same page. mike baker, thank you for your expertise as always. >> thank you. >> thanks. jon: well the nation's top cop announced he is resigning so what legacy will attorney general eric holder leave behind? critics say holder was divisive and refused to investigate scandals involving the obama administration. some in the media now say holder was not political at all. here is holder earlier in front
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of the congressional black caucus. >> i woke up today and i was still the attorney general of the united states. i am deeply proud of all that we have achieved together. jon: he says he won't absolutely leave office until his successor is in place. joining us now, judith miller, pulitzer-prize-winning investigative reporter, author and fox news contributor. tammy bruce is with us, radio talk show host and fox news contributor as well. before we launch into this discussion, i want to show you what nbc's chuck todd had to say eric holder. >> attorney general has to do the tough stuff and this is not forgiving job. what is interesting about him he is very non-political person. people u.s. to mistakenly think this guy was long-time political operative who happened to be a an attorney general. that is not him at all. that used to get him in hot water with some of the president's own political aides who sometimes felt eric holder
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was not thinking about the politics of an issue. jon: so he is not a guy who thinks about the politics of an issue. judy, your response. >> i think i have other problems with the soon to be former attorney general. my most important is as a journalist, and i think as an american, i was very upset by the extent to which he has gone after the press, for doing our job, which is bringing americans the news. i mean he has had more leak investigations being prosecuted than all of his predecessors combined and when he said he would never think of using the espionage act against a journalist, in fact he already sign ad warrant for james rosen, this network's emails and telephone conversations. so i don't trust him in terms of his understanding of how our government works. i think his legacy will be mixed but i'm very unhappy with that aspect of his career. jon: tammy, what about that? he has gone forcefully after
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journalists like james rosen, and even the associated press. >> yeah. the current james ricen situation from "the new york times" they still pursue, james rosen, ap. when we talk about legacy, we have to weave in how the american people view this individual. his approval rating right now is at 15%. now john ashcroft, when he left, not exactly a guy who was embraced as a fabulous guy by america, left at 49%. janet reno after waco, ruby ridge and gonzalez travesty had a 45% approval rating. the american people, you may not like what a guy does or woman does or attorney general, but you could still respect them. eric holder for some reason was a 15% approval rating means that this cuts across politics, it cuts across parties, it cuts across race. nobody likes what he is doing. nobody appreciates it. and even in 2009, the very first
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thing he did, tried to do, was get the september 11th masterminds to go to trial in manhattan. that really set a tone i think for a man who is viewed as an at least as argued being a civil rights attorney general, but certainly for the american people, when especially we talk about reporters as judy did, is not as civil liberties attorney general. jon: he is very tight with the president, judy. maybe he is doing what the president wants him to do? >> yes. i even rarely disagree with tammy on this one, i think his unpopularity i think is the reflection of the president's unpopularity. he was the president's attorney general, and in his defense i think he has done some wonderful things in terms of making sentencings fairer in this country. he also prosecuted a lot of terrorism trials. that's important too. and finally showed up at ferguson and calmed things down. so once again i think his legacy
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mixed you about right now you mention anyone in the obama administration i think you're going to have very, very high negatives. jon: the interesting thing will be who replaced him. that is the new parlor game in washington. >> yeah. jon: we'll have to leave it there. judy miller, tammy bruce. thank you. >> not just a parlor game in washington. we're talking about it all across the country. who will replace eric holder. jon: that's true. heather: new details in the disappearance of the college student. the suspect in the uva sophomore's disappearance is headed back to virginia. do police have any evidence of what finally happened to hannah graham? patented sonic technology with up to 27% more brush movements
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>> deja vu for dnc debbie wasserman-schultz. comments causing new outrage. >> to founder of one company coming under fire saying women are like men, only cheaper. wait until you hear his explanation for that. >> plus our #oneluckyguy on "outnumbered" at the to of hour. heather: you guys have a lot of fun. >> thank you. jon: fox news alert and update now on a fire that has grounded flights at chicago's two major airports. police say that fire was intentionally set by a contractor at an faa radar center in what was believed to be a suicide attempt. although officers say this was not linked to terrorism. but it is sure causing problems for travelers. flights being grounded at chicago's o'hare and midway airports, at least until noon. more than 800 flights canceled between o'hare and midway alone. that will have a ripple effect on flights all the away cross the country. chicago o'hare, the nation's
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second busiest. you can imagine if you're flying anywhere in this country call your airline to check your flight. heather: when they say all roads lead to rome all airways lead to chicago. jon: for sure. heather: police are apparently searching the car driven by the suspect in the disappearance of a uva student. our local affiliate in texas reporting that. he may arrive back in virginia as early as today. he is charged with the abduction of hannah graham after he fled to texas. >> this bright, friendly, beautiful, 18-year-old college student who has been part of our community the last two years, is still missing. we have no idea what so everywhere she is. >> let's bring in fred tecce, former federal prosecutor.
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jonna spilbor a criminal defense attorney. where does this case go now? >> you know what, heather? where it goes, law enforcement has to solve a crime but they don't have a body. we only have speculation that a crime has been committed. when you're a prosecutor these are kind of cases that keep you up at night. the amount of evidence they must have, we don't know. police are keeping it very close to the vest which i think is very smart. what you do, put one foot in front of the other. you kind of go at it with ant-like persistence until you solve this crime. heather: jonna, he headed back to virginia. he has that lawyer. what do you think they can get out of him? >> it is going to depend. obviously the only person on the planet who knows where heather graham is and whether she is alive or not. i think ultimately that is what everybody wants to know, those two questions. so if, let's supposed the worst. if we assume the worst she is no longer with us, that he killed her or somehow involved in her death, his lawyer is going to want to know whether we can
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strike some sort of deal in exchange for him giving over the information that he does maybe a smaller amount of time in jail or something that benefits him in the long run. that is probably the first analysis we make. heather: fred, you're a former prosecutor. what kind of deal might you be ready to strike, if anything? >> i forget whether or not virginia has a death penalty. probably should have look. this is one of the cases tell the guy, what we'll do take the death penalty off the table or give you some chance of parole if you tell us where to find this young woman's body and plead guilty. jonna is right, short of that, we have to find her by just scouring the countryside. heather: i want to ask you about this because he has a bit of a record with police. he was convicted in 2010 of trespassing. he was then charged with assault and grand larceny in 2009. important to note that those charges were in fact dropped. then we're learning about this. he was a student at liberty university and was questioned in connection with an alleged sexual assault.
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this is 12 years ago. charges were not filed because the woman apparently wasn't willing to come forward and cooperate with the investigation. what does this tell either of you, if anything? jonna, start with you? >> there were other reports, a better word, is a creep. but from a defense perspective it means nothing. if he doesn't have any record of any sexual misconduct, an actual record, it shouldn't enter into this case whatsoever. heather: all right, fred. >> yeah, i agree with jonna. unfortunately it shows the guy is a bad guy. but not enough to label him as sex offender. it was 2007 years ago. never any charges posted. if he was a sexual predator i would have expected to see something else since then. heather: fred and jonna, thanks very much. we'll talk to you again soon. jon: students in one state are angry over a proposal to focus lessons on topics that promote patriotism and downplay civil disobedience. so the students are practicing civil disobedience by walking out of class but are the
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take or politics in election of three republicans to the jefferson county school board who want to introduce a pay for performance clause in teacher contracts. either way the current controversy is focused on a new frame work for teaching advanced placement of u.s. history. critics saying it emphasizes race, gender class wars, slave veriry treatment of american indian while inr excluding founding fathers, democracy, victory in the cold war, religion and american values. the board want ad commission to renew the new guidelines. teachers objected. dozens called in sick. others picketed outside of schools. students seem to have taken up one side. >> we want to fight for what is ours. we don't want this stuff to be taken away from us. >> we're out here on our own cause. we're not here for the teachers. we're here for ourselves. that we are here to learn. >> up to fight for what we believe in. we don't want our history curriculum changed. >> reporter: this is happening
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outside of denver but the tests we're talking about affects all students nationwide who take ap american history. the college board, which oversees this s.a.t. exam, they issued guidelines john. they admit they made errors. they omitted material and will reissue the framework. back to you. jon: william la jeunesse. thank you. >> interesting debate certainly. fox news alert to bring right now. we are awaiting the results on a vote in britain over whether or not the u.k. will join the international coalition to fight isis. the british parliament set to begin voting at any minute now, as we also learn the daneses sending f-16s down there.
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jon: in about 60 minutes, heather and i will be back, and then i'm going to be disappearing for two weeks, heading to the roof of africa joining volunteers at children's charity, compassion international. we're going to climb that thing in the background, mount
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kilimanjaro. the money we raise is going to fund a local water system, so i'll put information on foxnews.com. click on the "happening now" tab, and i'll be tweeting about it @jonscottfnc. we'll see you in an hour, "outnumbered" starts now. >> right now we're waiting for the british parliament's vote on whether to carry out airstrikes in iraq. this is "outnumbered." i'm kimberly guilfoyle, and here today, sandra smith, heather childers, jedediah via, and radio talk show host david webb, host of the david webb show, and he is "outnumbered. [laughter] don't you forget it, baby. >> by the way, why do i get the little cup? what is this, outnumbered by -- [laughter] >> all right? you're that much of a man that we can give you the little cup. >> there you go. halfway through the show.

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