i'm kimberly gillfoyle. it's 5:00 in new york city and this is "the five." has the terror of isis just reached our shores? that is a question being kd around the country as a 54-year-old woman was brutally beheaded earlier today. listen to the unbelievable 911 tape from the scene. >> shut the doors. 911, where's your emergency? >> we have someone attacking someone in the building, we're

in the front office of the building, we can hear someone screaming. >> do you know where he is in the plant? >> we know he has stabbed someone. >> lock everybody in there if you can. >> can you hear this in the background? >> that is that him, he's back? >> yeah, it sounds like he's running around out here. and that's a gunshot. >> the suspect, 30-year-old alson nowlan, a disgruntled exemployee whose co-workers say was trying to convert several of them to islam. with more on this breaking story, we bring in fox news correspondent adam housely who has more. >> reporter: the big one is whether or not he converted to islam or potentially why he was in a u.s. prison. of course there's a lot of pieces to this puzzle. it all began yesterday in moore, oklahoma, where 30-year-old alton nowlan according to witnesses, earlier in the day he

had been fired from vaughn foods where he worked as a production line employee. he went back into the parking lot, rammed his car into another one. then went into the front office and attacked a woman randomly. killed the first victim and cut off her head. as he was stabbing the second victim t company's ceo mark vaughn, he pulled out a gun and shot nowlan multiple times. nowlan is currently in the hospital as is his second victim. police in moore say very early on this could be a religious or extremist fueled 'tack. >> after conducting interviews with co-workers of nowlan, information was obtained that he recently started trying some of his co-workers to the muslim religion. due to the manner of death and initial statements of co-workers and other initial information that our investigators have

gathered, we requested the assistance of the fbi. >> so we know the fbi is looking into reports that nowlan not only tried to convert people at his work to islam, but also witnesses say he was shouting islamic phrases during the attack. detectives also say nowlan was a recent convert to islam. that's where the prison stint is being investigated. did it happen there? if so, was he radicalized there? on a sad note, the woman who he cut off her head, she was working there when the tornado tore through moore, oklahoma and destroyed her home. she just rebuilt her home and there's a lot of outrage throughout this community as to why this man did such a horrible act. >> adam, thank you. truly a horrific story, as --

>> i would like to wait and hope that something like this is a random act. but we cannot pretend that it night not be. there may be in fact an ideology that arguments like a virus, that sets off the fanatical and the unstable. we should be prepared for that. the big point, the one point we know for a fact is that what stopped this guy was a bullet. and that guy was a hero with a gun and a gun beats a knife. in this day and age, the second amendment and a blight on population is more important than ever. >> eric? >> so now we have a rochester gentleman who decided he wanted to fight for isis, and he got caught. he was killed by someone who was a jihadist, now we have this oklahoma city murder. a after yelling god is great,

allah is great. so the question is, is this going to be workplace violence? i think this is terror and i think they need to get off the facts first and make sure, but if it is that, i suggest we go in that direction. the other thing is that the ideology, the copy cat killers, copy cat murderers watch what happens and they do the same thing. movie theater shootings, things like that. hopefully we don't have everyone who's ever had an inclination to be a radical islamic decide that now is the time to start acting out. >> that's actually an interesting point, because after the school shootings, and all of the news that comes from it, one of the discussions in the media

is do we give too much attention to the shooter? and in this case, i would trust law enforcement and hopefully they have an idea of whether or not this is a possible copy cat situation, and if it is being fomented in our prison, that's another piece of intelligence we need to get. i hope he survives so we can get the intelligence we need to know if he was an isolated case. we're showing his picture, he's getting the attention, i don't know if this is what he was looking for. but the victim is the one that deserves the most attention. this just doesn't happen in america. that is why you cannot excuse this of any pc nonsense of this didn't have anything to do with islam. because the perpetrator believed he was doing something for islam. that doesn't mean to throw a blanket over everybody who

practices islam. but it goes back to they have to have some sort of leadership in the muslim community to denounce this and denounce it strongly. if arab nations are going to join us in a coalition to fight radical extremists in syria, i think what president obama said at the u.n. is that we actually have to fight them everywhere. in moore, oklahoma of all places, we have to consider that this is much more widespread than we want to necessarily admit. >> before we talk about whether this is widespread or not. we don't have enough information. my first inclination was that he was just a crazy guy. but listen, in prisons, the black -- the african-americans join together under islamic cover as gangs, basically to protect themselves. this has been going on for a long time. the nation of islam has been very powerful in the black community, louis farrakhan being the ahead of that. and i'm not surprised if this

guy probably learned about islam in jail and probably a number of others, but i would be very careful before we say isis has come to our shores. >> i don't think he's part of any community, meaning i doubt if he would listen to any moderate voice. i think that the way we talk about spree killings, john stable who go to vulnerable venues, they don't bloelong to community, their unstable mind is where they live. that 911 call really does reveal what sitting ducks we are in this country. every 911 call now records a tragedy or a crime happening and it tells you that these things are never stopped, you only happen upon them unless you have a gun. >> k.g., you can tell us that the fact that he did mention some islamic phrases while he's beheading the woman, does that make it a hate crime and or terrorism? >> well, look, let's see how the administration and eric holder,

before he leaves office, the attorney general, how they characterize it. how are they going to classify it? are they going to say that it is workplace violence? are they going to call it an act of terrorism? of course they have to do a thorough investigation. but why would we discount this man's word? he's telling us what he's thinking, what he's feeling and what his motivating factor was. >> the information they could get is also from his phone. what isis does is it makes people watch the videos over and over again. maybe it's not directly connect to isis, but i'm sure if he had a cell phone, which almost everybody does, it's possible that he was seeing that. >> what if he's motivated and in in inspired by it, that's what they want. >> there was another case in london, on the outskirts of london, i can't remember the name of the neighborhood, but another woman behead ed.

i mean this is -- there is a reason why people that are called security moms are worried about their future. when security moms were first considered as kind of a group that people studied in politics, they would ask men and women, are you worried that you could be a victim of a terror attack? and they were surprised because men that lived in boston, new york, washington, d.c. i los angeles, almost everybody said yes, but those who lived in small towns like moore, oklahoma typically did not. but almost every woman said they worried about it. and it's because of things like this, maybe we don't need the mill tarization of police, but there's a reason that people are frightened. i think to the response from the government has got to be swift, strong and not at all politically correct. >> this guy clearly had a troubled past, he was sent to prison, and usually people that go to prison have troubled

pasts. >> that doesn't excuse evil. >> i'm not trying to excuse evil, but before we connect this to the middle east and isis, we have to find out if this guy is mentally stable, how much influence did the nation of islam have on him. he got fired. that probably got him a little bit whacked out. i think we have got a lot of things to learn here before we jump to any conclusions. >> wouldn't you say the same thing about the tsarnaev brothers? >> what about nadal hassan? >> we had a lot of information on him too. >> we had information on him and that didn't even stop it. we didn't even use it. >> as far as i'm concerned, if you stand up and say allah is great and then kill someone, i would say that's radical jihad. >> that's fairly radical, yeah. >> the point is, why would you dismiss it, those are his words, his actions, his statements

followed up by -- >> while he's in the hospital, can he be indicted? >> they can bring a case, put it together against him, he's obviously going to be in a very tight security situation, and then they can move him to a proper facility where he can be watched, monitored and receive any other medical attention, depending on the extent of his injuries. >> this reminds me as an old person, of what the manson family, charles manson, was hoping to inspire, which was fear and chaos and murder by killing randomly. in a way, i think that's the way this has to be looked at, a death cult and it must be treated like a death cult. really what they're trying to do is scare the hell out of us. and we should not be scared, we should just be deadly. >> they, meaning radical islam is controlling what these guys do. >> i think they can inspire the unstable, the isolated. >> and one lone wolf.

>> and the biggest most egregious example of that is beheadings are the way to do it. isis -- the other terrorists around the world what really gets the public. >> we didn't even mention the one in australia a couple of days ago. >> there's a reason people are worrieded, i mean there's a pattern and it's targeting innocent people. >> that's why we are to have surveillance and make sure that our national security is up to par a par. >> there's a big gun control debate that's happening right now with gabby gifford's book that's coming out this week. it's a very important issue right now, and anybody would say, the owner of the plant, the man that shot the suspect is a hero. and he should be allowed to have a gun. >> there you go. directly ahead. the war on isis, should the u.s. be urging all hands on deck

including hollywood, politicians and the media in the fight against islamic terror. greg's got more on the importance of the uniteds and what promises to be a long battle.

americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. we have the finest food and equipment, the best spirit and the best men in the world. thank god. i actually pity those poor [ bleep ] we're going up against. >> the world is a pretty ugly place, right now we have got terror, undocumented immigration, gas crisis, joblessness among the young, racial division, a decline in moral belief and an explosion in

pop culture worship. some of this is the product of winning big wars. our problem is, what do we do with these lives now? my solution isn't pretty, but it clears all those other problems away, it's war, or rather the war on terror, which demands an all hands on deck approach in the country under attack. uniting before an apop lick lip tick threat, it's a priority aligner for good. and this threat before us is chilling and grotesque indeed. that should single one of us shares an insidious enemy that wishes to destroy you and your family. that makes us family. the time for division is over . we are americans and unity and purpose is necessary for survival and victory. and later we can get back to hating each other when it's over.

>> all right, k.g., we could put off our political differences for now, when we have an evil force against us. >> if there's ever a time to unite, this would be it, right? why can't we be united in purpose? i tell you why, there are those that -- when i see someone who's in a position like the attorney general eric holder making statements against the united states or even president obama when he addresses the u.n. and the world is listening, that doesn't move us closer together as a people, as a country and unite us so that we are single minded in our purpose to rise up against terror and defeat it in the united states. >> the president also makes apologies about the united states in reference specifically ferguson. and that we are a could have been think that has problems racially and i don't know why he

needed to make that statement at that time. i don't think that was the place. >> i don't think you could say -- >> you asked me and so i provided you the answer. did you not like it? >> it's not a statement against the united states. >> addition disparaging us as a country. >> i do a monologue on unification and you're fighting, it's amazing. that was incredible. >> what are you looking at? >> i'm looking in stunned amazement. >> draw a line. >> i guess that was a lousy idea. can i try and unite a little bit? >> so president obama decides he's going to go ahead and do these air strikes against isis in syria. and the big question is was he going to remain in iraq or go into syria without the syrians' approval. in my opinion i think it's effective and i think it's working, it makes it very hard

for any partisan republican to say he's doing the wrong thing, thank god no americans are dying, it seems to be pushing isis back, it seems to be working, if anything, maybe this would be a good time, like you said, unite around a strategy that so far seems to be working. >> dana, you always have good ideas about what people can do. >> i love to tell people what to do. >> you look at hollywood, you've looked at silicon valley, do you have any new ideas? >> i think the refreshing thing about this latest debate on national security is that the republicans have remained principled. they have believed that the president should be taking this kind of action so they don't whack him. however i do think the president, in order to have unification, we need a president that sets a very clear vision. within the last three months, six years or so, we have not had the benefit of a clear vision, i think he would be stronger in

asking congress for authorization of what he's doing. because that sort of a vote brings people together and makes everyone show their cards a. >> however, i believe the president has the authority under the authorization to use military force, that's the underpinning. but the president himself three months ago asked the congress to repeal it because he said he didn't need it anymore. >> i think he's doing exactly what he wants. but the ones in congress who don't want to vote are the democrats. the reason why president obama doesn't bring it to a vote -- >> midterm elections. >> it's run by the republicans. >> what are you trying to say? >> boehner could bring it up tomorrow. >> but boehner respects president obama enough and they have enough of a shred of a relationship left that the white house is saying, we don't want to do this, so boehner is holding back, that is a

principled stand. if boehner really wanted to push the president and make a political issue out of it, he would say we're having a vote on it next tuesday, democrats be here or be square. >> because he's not putting politics ahead of the best interests of the country. there's a lesson for you, bob. >> the point that k.g. made, the congress has to have skin in the became. that's what it's about. >> you like that? >> yes, that's the most important thing because if you don't -- >> then they have to go home and defend it. >> the draemocrats don't want tt skin. all right, directly ahead -- i don't need these glasses anymore and i bring them. i have contacts and i'm wearing them. the state department is in full on spin mode after president obama gave kudos to a terrorist sympathizer during one of his u.n. speeches

on wednesday we were one of the first media outlets to bring you the controversy. sheik abdullah bin baya -- the administration says he condemned isis and therefore is moderate. listen to state department spokeswoman ray harp try to spin her way out of that one. >> it's good he issued a fatwa against isis, but he also issued that other fatwa against us where he called for muslims to go kill american troops back in 2004, this is the problem, marie. >> i think there's some misinformation out there about what he may have said or may not have said. >> what we're judging him by is he says very openly right now about the facts that muss limbs should reject isis's ideology. >> that must have been

embarrassing for you. >> they're putting him in a very difficult position, aren't they? >> no, they're not. >> dana, got to go to you first on this. >> it's like the empathy to be able to say, as a spokes people and a communicator, you have -- you're the spokesperson for the entire department. you can't possibly have your -- be in control of everything, you have to rely on other people. the vetting for this administration for their speeches seems to be i think more lax than it should be. i remember always worrying, thinking, checking, like what in this speech could come back to haunt us. i have good reason to be a paranoid person and it paid off. so i think that, you know, career foreign service officials who traditionally have done the state department spokesperson jobs have a way of being able to know where these land mines are and i think that marie harp was put in a bad position, however i thought her answer last night on megan kelley show was very good.

she showed her loyalty. >> they have known about ali al-baya. >> when an enemy becomes an enemy to your enemy, he suddenly becomes your ally until that ally welcobecomes your enemy. the administration has fallen victim to shifts in extremism. al qaeda was bad until he met isis, isis was bad, but knorr there's khorasan. so this guy compared to them is like your kindly neighbor or an okay dude. who knows, that may change. but for now, we deal with him, right? >> we deal with him. but remember through the course of the history of the united states we have dealt with some evil people. joe stalistalin, the biggest ma murder in the history of the world. i think the united states has on occasion aligned itself with people for a strategic purpose.

this was ten years ago when this guy said this. it may be that he's one of the few people around that wants to do a fatwa on isis, so, sure, use him. >> is he worse than assad? i mean is he worse than the syrian guy? do you know what i mean? >> it all becomes relative. >> yes. >> so a lot of negotiation goes on, you want to make nice with the people who, the muslim cleric who is happen your side. i get it and i'll ask the question one more time. is the u.n. platform t speech at the u.n. the right place to be doing that? why even cause us to be talking about that? >> i believe it's sloppy, i don't have any proper justification for this. supposedly president obama reads over his speeches and makes changes i don't know why you would include this when you don't have an opportunity to make sure this is well vetted.

>> you have to assume it's vetted, though. >> it's who he is. >> there's 160 countries gathered once a year and this is an opportunity to try to work towards building coalitions. we don't realize how difficult it is, none of us will. putting together these coalitions getting sunnis to bomb sunnis. it's never happened before. and we talk about what happened, obama maybe picked the wrong for example, but he is trying very hard to keep the muslim countries that he has with him in this coalition together. that is a very fine act and i think you got to give him a little bit of a break here. >> i understand the strategy behind it, but i think he could have made a better choice. >> you're tough today. >> yeah, very. >> you like it, you love it. a personal comment before we go to break. yearly this week i made a comment that was wholly inappropriate. and i apologize for it.

the comment became during k. g.'s one more thing. not intending to be disparaging of her, but that's the way it wasyrç taken. yesterday i made an apology on this show, it was inadequate. fox news has received letters from u viewers including women in the military and i have taken them to heart. therefore let me speak clearly and sincerely. i'm sorry for what i said, i believe that the major is a hero, she's courageous, brave and she deserves our praise and not our jokes. she has my

okay, you missed the end of that song which was i'm much to young to feel this old. we're going to talk about the

perfect age to die is. manuel is one of the architects of obama care and he's the brother of president obama's former chief of staff rahm emanuel. he says the magic number is 75. here's his argument why. >> pick 75 when you think about the combination of physical decline, the rise of alzheimer's, the loss of creativity and you need to think about what you're going to leave your children, your family, your community, disabilities increase every time we live longer. and then there's 85. between a third and half of the people have alzheimer's, disabilities are very painful. to everyone, the family, the person. >> historian victor davis hanson on the other side says age is no absolute barometer, we all know those who at 75 are far more vigorous than those who are couch potatoes at 40. this kind of got passed over

because there's been so much other news this week. i actually think these comments are outrageous. and listening to him say that is even worse. >> this guy orchestrated obama care, he basically designed obama care. he's basically saying to everybody over 75 that you are a burden. this is his philosophy, he's not saying it's for everybody. he is saying there's something inhumane about it that, you're less worthy of health care because you are more of a burden because you use more health care. he's talking about people who raised families, who raised kids and grandkids and the implications that they don't deserve the care from us in return. my mother made it to 89 and at 75, she was awesome. >> i think about my grandparents who didn't live much fast 75. but enough that i remember those last years with them so fondly. and maybe he doesn't want to live until later, but kimberly, what do you think of this?

>> i think it's small minded really. >> you want to be here. >> that's what i'm saying. >> it's irresponsible for him to make that statement, it's terrible because it's just devaluing human life and saying you have an expiration like a carton of milk or a 12-pack of eggs. what's going on with that? >> anddo you know what he's doi, this is one of the architects of obama care, rifgt? obama care works if people die at 75. when people start living to 80, 85 and 90s, the curtain blows out to that young people are paying more for older people's health care. i have friends up in the audience, grandma bernie's up there, still drives to atlantic city, has a cocktail. >> she could kick emmanuelle's butt. >> she could kick my butt,

especially in public. >> you have two kids that are just entering sort of their early college days, you want to be around for a long time, right? to see them and -- you said you wanted to be a grandfather. >> i would like to be a grandfather, bi should have bee dead, but one thing that strikes me about this, is there's a wonderful book that was written called around the campfire and it was about how in this society we take the wisest people and put them in the back of the campfire and all the young squirts up in the front. when we're losing all that wisdom and all those thoughts and all that experience. i think that's a terrible mistake. do a percentage of them have alzheimer's that's higher than a lower age people, yes, but there's a lot of strength there that we should take advantage of. >> and one thing victor talked about is some of the contributions of people over 75 that were writing about their

experiences, including winston churchill who did most of his writing after the age of 75. >> this is incredibly ignore affect coming from a doctor. the average live span has jumped over the last decade. >> 79. >> i don't think he's practiced medicine in a while or talked to patients, i don't know, i tried to check it out. but there's so many things out there that make people have vibrant lives. >> i think you're giving him too much credit for just being ignorant on what's going on. i think it's far more insidious that in trading it's called talking your book, when you falk up a stock because you have actually stock in the stock. >> he has stork in obama care. >> the comment you made that obama care only survives when people die when they're 75. >> it's the models, bob, models

support it. >> who talked about the death panel and got made fun of. do you remember that? >> when we come back, more on the terrifying news coming out of oklahoma, a beheading in middle america that may be link to islamic terror. that's next. @j

police in moore, oklahoma have designated the beheading of a 37-year-old woman to workplace violence. we have heard workplace violence a very controversial suggestion that happened at ft. hood. that was a federal designation, this is a oklahoma police designation that, i guess is done by pretty conservative people. dining they should change it? >> who cares if they're conservative people. who cares if they're conservative people. >> their inclination would be to make it terrorism. >> do liberal people not want terrorism to be called terrorism? >> if it's terrorism, yeah. >> are they hiding under the cover? >> can you help us out here, the difference in evidence

retrieval, prosecution? >> first of all, why are they saying this? they because they're being politically correct. we're going to call it workplace violence, because terror in america sounds scary, but if you can't even say it, how can you prevent it. >> the difference between interrogation, a terrorist, militants or combatants. >> even if there's deleted files, they can retrieve. they can see what kind of corns, they can see who he was connected to while he was in prison. when was he radicalized. who did he last talk to. >> exactly. >> you gall those questions nee be answered. we have got a situation here, what if, what if, what if. but he don't know if this is terrorism. >> workplace violence is a

generic enough term because it's true, it happened at the workplace. but violence is violence, and you always run into problems when you start labeling things. i have trouble with calling hate crime a hate crime. it's crime. right now this is an act of murder a brutal act of murder, that's what you call it now. >> why don't they call it workplace murder. workplace murder by would-be terrorist. >> why don't they name it an act of terror. aren't there different rules of acquiring evidence when you call it workplace violence, they can lawyer up, they can say i have certain rights that aren't applicable when it's an act of terror. >> certain rights are afforded, depending on the classification, it really affects the outcome of the face, the forum and also the collection of evidence. so there are implications. >> but when you go allah akbar.

>> you can't go in there and say i have a bomb. you can't do it. there's certain things you can't do or you pay the price for it. >> does that make me a terrorist? >> i would think that would throw him into to the terrorist world. >> again, my, god, you have to look at the con tetexcontext. it's not said in a moment of terror, it's said bays it's the word of jihad. >> you're a prosecutor, and you're jumping way ahead of the gun on this. >> she's a security mom. >> that's what i am right now, i'm comfortable. >> one more thing up next.

>> it's time for one more thing. we're going to begin with greg. >> i have heard that some people the washington and elsewhere may ha have -- asking if she could park the jet. people who watch this show know that i make very hackie jokes knowing they have very hackie, that joke represents a stereotypical mind set in my

mind was a joke. however the uae should know i didn't mean to sleight their progressive move in having this great woman blowing up those here thanes, she's pretty awesome. women in the uae can drive, that's the real joke, they can grave and i can't. i don't even have a driver's license, i can't even park. it's disgusting. by the way major al mentori encouraged me to go to the dmv next weeks. i hate driving in new york. >> i'm going take the subway if you're driving. earlier today, this is something i haven't done for a while. i asked twitter for some one more thing ideas. this one you won't be surprised to learn that a dog won my heart. check this out, this was going to be be greg's crime corner, but now it's mine, a little puppy gets put into the cage to be safe and quiet and probably is a puppy that might have wee-wee problems.

but look at the german shepard, a jailbreak of great proportions, so they can go and have a nice little cuddle together. >> they gave him four years. >> nice jailbreak, we love it. >> very quick. >> hwhatever, let's move right on. cashing in tomorrow morning, 3,000 troops to go into africa to fight ebola, a billion dollars, but we debate whether or not those resources could have been better used on our own border. and also, fast food workers want $15 an hour minimum wage fighting military. but do you know our military gets $8.06 an hour, who would

you have h ravter have minute money wage, military, burger flipper. >> don't you think someone who puts their live on the line should make more money than the fry boy, the guy who's pulling french fries out of the oil. >> i think i should make more money than you, but i don't. >> who's next? >> all right, i'm going to dead date indicate my one more thing to diane brandy, because she loves baseball and so does america, derek jeter playing his last game at yankee stadium last night. take a look. >> big hit to right field. here comes richardson, richard escapes, derek jeter ends his final game with a walk-off

single. der j derek jeter, where fantasy becomes reality. >> everybody keeps saying thank you, derek, and i'm thinking for what? i'm just doing my job, thank you guys. >> a very emotional moment for baseball fans, yankee fans. america needed that last night. >> we sure did, excellent. all right, that's it. >> you know why? it was going so well. you know why? that was so mean. >> even though you move in greg's lock. i just wanted to announce a few things that i think are important about the economy, it's been revised now, 4.6%. 2014 looks like a robust years, there are 20 million job openings in the united states.

a lot of people aren't taking them for some reason, maybe they don't like them. maybe they're too hard. >> that's it, have a great weekend, see you back here on monday, special report is nex.". this is a fox news alert. tonight, terror in the heart land. the fbi's investigating a brutal beheading in moore, oklahoma, after the suspect's co-workers reveal he'd been trying to convert them to islam after he recently converted himself. police say the alleged suspect, alton nolen, beheaded one woman and attacked another before he was shot and wounded. for the very latest details we turn to fox's own adam hasly on the ground in los angeles tonight. adam. >> reporter: yeah, sean. there's a lot of questions arpd this case as you might imagine. the local police in moore, oklahoma, are all over this of course working with the fbi trying to figure out why this happened. are there larger implications here or larger connections here? it all happened yesterday in moore, oklahoma, a