this is a live fox news special. attacking isis. and the terror closer to home. i'm geraldo rivera. air forces struck at seven isis targets inside syria today as u.s. aircrafts carried three additional attacks inside iraq. >> along with france we conducted over 200 air strikes in iraq against isil in support of iraq forces. with our air partners we

conducted 43 air strikes in syria. >> we are taking the fight to the isis savages who beheaded our citizens, raped, robbed and pillages territory, assassinated thousands of prisoners and now threatening to disrupt the world. >> isis are so bad that al qaeda is afraid of them. >> the fighting coalition against isis continues to grow. today aircraft from belgium, denmark and britain fly towards the fight. >> the brutality is staggering, beheadings, gouging out of eyes, rape as a weapon, slaughtering of children, all of these things are from the dark ages. it is backed by billions of dollars with an arsenal of

modern weapons. >> is the modern enemy already here. >> 9-1-1 what's your emergency? t 12th street. >> what's going on there? >> we have someone attacking someone in the building. >> is he back? >> he is running around out here. >> and that -- that's a gunshot. >> he struck a vehicle, got out, and went inside and the first person he came to was our first victim. he began stabbing her, killed her and severed her head. >> moore, oklahoma, the town last year devastated by a killer tornado today dealing with friday's vicious beheading of a 54-year-old woman and the near fatal stack of her co-workers by a recent convert to islam. >> we do have people who worked with him tell us he was trying to convert people to islam. >> it could have been much worse

but for the intervention of company executive, who shot and wounded the perp tralter as he brutally attacked his second victim. >> he had the presence of mind when he was notified there was an assay lent in the building to retrieve his law enforcement vest. he knows when the s.w.a.t. team or police officers come in the building and he's carrying a rifle, they're going to be looking to him first but it's he grabbed his vest and put it on and grabbed the assault rifle and then he went after the individual. >> let's all heap high praise on mark vaughn who shot down the 30-year-old suspect, alton nolan. and as we speak the fbi is investigating whether this fellow is another homegrown muslim extremist like nidal ha sass who is on death row for the

murder o right now, meet the woman injured by the same attacker when she attempted to arrest this felon back in 2010. joining us live, oklahoma highway patrol officer, betsey randolph. thank you very much for coming on. do you wish you had killed this nolan when you had the chance? >> of course i do. i mean, it's not something that any law enforcement officer wants to do. but -- and at the time when we struggled there was a brief flash of time that i would have actually had the opportunity to do that and would have been within my right to do that. and of course looking back if there was any way i could have known that and prevented the tragedy that happened two days ago i would have done that. >> in 2010, after he assaulted you as he resisted arrest, how much time was he sentenced to? how much did he go to jail for?

>> i don't know. i think he had several charges and they rolled them all together. and i think he was sentenced to four or five years but only served two from what i understand. >> so officer randolph, let me ask you your feelings when you heard it was the same guy, alton nolan by this other name, whatever, who had done this horrific crime, beheaded a 54-year-old woman what were your feelings, your reactions? >> well, i had planned to take the day off. i was in the yard and in the garden. channel 4 called me and told me what was going on. and they said this is the same guy we're looking at. and we're seeing that this guy is the same one that assaulted a trooper in october of 2010. by the town of langston and we had a big manhunt for him. and i said that was me.

i was the trooper that he assaulted. and as soon as i realized what was going on and they said he had possibly beheaded somebody i'd go goose bumps all over my body. all i could do is thank god he didn't kill me when he had a chance to do so and later as i began to think about it i was overcome with guilt that i didn't take the opportunity to kill him when i had the chance to do so. >> you did everything by the book. you're a hero officer. i thank you for your service and for coming on with us this evening. >> thank you, sir. >> we'll have a live update on the condition of the suspect. apparently he is awake now, asked the authorities whether he is cooperating. that is at the bottom of the hour. right follow the latest in the fight against isis and the crucial question whether american boots will be on the ground in iraq and syria. >> if you're suggesting that i might at some point recommend that we need a large ground

force to counter isil, the answer to that is also absolutely but it doesn't have to be americans. in fact ideally for the kind of issues we're confronting there, the ideal force -- in fact the only truly effective force -- that will actually will able to reject isil from within its own population is a force economized -- comprised of iraqis and curds and moderate syrian opposition. >> are u.s. ground forces needed to defeat isis and more urgently is that beheading in oklahoma an act of workplace violence or a lone wolf terrorist who is a clear and present danger to the united states. we start with major general bob scales. and the former director of central intelligence ambassador james woolsey. on your right. welcome to you both.

the oklahoma city bombing -- or oklahoma beheading, rather, fruedian slip perhaps an important one. workplace violence or terror? >> well, you don't know until you is the facts and shouldn't make a judgment until then but we had a case in texas three years ago. major hasan who killed 13 of his fellow soldiers and had given lessons on jihad and his business card said he was a jihadi and he shouted while he was murdering his fellow soldiers and the government reports say it is workplace violence. it is harder to be stupider than that in dealing with official reports and investigations. what we really have to do is call this business straight. and if it is something that is inspired by an offshoot of religious belief, we ought to say so and talk about what we can do about it. we don't pretend otherwise.

>> but the worry, general scales is that it's this guy and a month from now it's a jihadi convert or not and a month from that and a guy goes in the subway or times square or oklahoma city downtown. with a military person you can't fight it, with the army, but it is worse. >> right. well i think the point that needs to be made here is this huge spreading of moral influence of isis on the rest of the world. today, what, a year into their war in the middle east we're seeing isis related violence in afghanistan and in algeria. we're seeing -- clearly we're seeing it in europe. and perhaps in our own country already. this is unprecedented in our history. it took al qaeda 13 years to make their presence felt globally. and here we have this new

organization, isis or isil, that has come along and seems to be capturing the imagination, if you will, of all the world's islamic terrorists. >> you are the commander-in-chief, i anoint you. can you defeat isis without an american army on the ground? >> no. doesn't necessarily is to be brigades or divisions. war has a certain -- has certain darwinian dimension of its own. and isis will pull the united states and the coalition along in the next year, year and a half. in order for us to defeat them you are going to see greater and greater participation of american ground forces. it will probably be special operating units and forward air controllers and trainers operating with their attached

units, either iraqi or syrian units. but we will find slowly but surely the american ground forces continue to grow as the air power campaign begins to diminish. >> ambassador woolsey, the general says that it can't happen without the ground force do you agree? do we need a ground army to defeat isis? >> i think there has to be ground forces. we may be able to get them from the kurds and from some of the locals. but the key thing is a couple of different groups of groups. and they aren't after the same thing. one set like al qaeda are very much in favor of beheadings oklahoma and 9/11 and the works and want to create as much chaos and killing as much as possible against us as soon as possible and here at home in they can. full stop, isis, generally if you read their publications and

their sermons and so forth, they're more focused on wanting to establish a caliphate, establish a small empire that will grow over time in the middle east. and their focus tends to be on the folks who are right next door to them. and i think the president doesn't do us service when he starts out talking about these circumstances by saying what he's not going to do. that's not a good way to begin. i hope what needs to be done in the middle east and back here can be done with locals and the kurds, particularly, in iraq and syria. >> major general scales, people tend to minimize the potential impact of american air power. i saw the highway of death in the first gulf war. i know what it can do. do you feel we can pound the hell out of these creeps? >> no. i think this is a different

enemy. this is an enemy that doesn't rely on mechanization to be useful. -- effective. it's their human capital that is valuable, not necessarily the machines, most of which they stole from us. and the theater of war is so much more broad. it's about the size of great britain and oh, by the way, enemies adapt to air power. they go to ground and hide amongst the people and dig in. they disperse their equipment. so yes air power is essential but it's not enough. maybe enough to hold them down. it may be enough to cause them to distract from their avowed goal but it's at the end of the day if your objective is to defeat them, ultimately it has to be done with some ground force. >> thank you very much, gentlemen. president obama says we are not at war with islam but is that

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we have we have reaffirmed again and again that the united states is not and never will be at war with islam. islam teaches peace. and when it comes to america and islam there is no us and them. there is only us because millions of muslim americans are part of the fabric of our country. so we reject any suggestion of a clash of civilizations. >> the president giving a tough speech rallying the world to war making the point before the united nations that it's not islam but the homicidal maniacs

known as isis but did his remarks go too far in softening his message as some of his critics suggest. eric is here along with nihad awad, a friend, the executive director of c.a.r.e. how did the president blunt his remarks with that statement? >> any time we were waiting -- america was waiting, the world, the coalition was waiting for the president to say we are at war with radical islam. on the u.n. platform. we want to hear him say we are at war with terrorism. but he won't bring himself to say it. it softens the message for what reason? so gentlemen are okay with the message? there are radical islamists that want to kill us. we need to send the message loud and clear that we won't take it and we are at war with you. for some reason the president doesn't want to say that because then he would have to go to congress and declare war on a group, isis, or a group. and he won't do that.

>> let's stick with what eric said about the president's need to declare war against radical islam how did the president's remark resonate with you and does eric have justifications to make the statements he did? >> thank you for having me. the president was right to give these remarks and we applauded him for being balanced and positive and for sending a message of reconciliation and assuring the muslims in the united states and around the world that the united states is not at war with the religion of islam because there are millions of muslim americans living here. there are thousands of people serving in the armed services of the united states. but also there is a freedom of religion in the united states. also the message was correct. however, there is nothing called radical islam. islam is one religion. there is one christianity.

however, there -- >> i hate to jump in. so you're going to say there's -- there is no distinction between radical islam and islam. so what i would call islamists who are killing and beheading americans and french and whoever else those are the same people who worship the same way you do? >> i was going to say there is one religion and the overwhelming majority of muslims follow the peaceful teachings of islam like myself and 1.5 million people around the world. however there are radicals and terrorist groups and individuals who do not represent our faith or our communities and they have been resoundedly renounced and condemned by all of us, including in the letter that we have issued. an open letter to the leader and soldiers of isis telling them that everything they do is in direct violation of the teachings of islam.

>> what about hamas and hezbollah? -- >> hold on -- let me ask a different maybe more constructive question. i have many muslim friends. many profess to me their extreme embarrassment, their hurt over some of the excesses like this beheading, like this horrible conduct killing the iraqi soldiers who were captured. and syrian soldiers who were captured. you can't deny this has had a very negative impact. doesn't it hurt you as well as the other -- the vast majority of muslims who are law-abiding and peaceful people? >> absolutely. i'm sick to my stomach to having -- to hear this beheading crime in oklahoma and other -- it has nothing to do with the faith. they can be criminals but it's they cannot point to any verse

in the quran or tradition that encourage people to kill or harm the innocent people. >> is there or is there not a war -- a clash of civilizations here? nihad, you first? >> absolutely there is no war -- among human civilization is one. there is a clash of extremists here. us versus them either them or us, they don't live on this planet. they are trying to exploit fear, fear mongering and incite wars. >> no. there's not a clash with -- our civilization with or even religions. 1.5 or 1.6 billion muslims in the world. if 1% of radical and if they are radical enough to kill you, that's that's 130,000 radical muslims that want to kill us. if we realize where the funding for that comes from other areas of islam we cut that off and

that's where you leave it. >> thank you, when you in new york, please stop and say hello. one thing about which there is no debate, isis is the richest terrorist organization in history. how they got the money and how they're going to spend it is coming up after this. un. ...so you say men are superior drivers? yeah? then how'd i get this... [ voice of dennis ] ...safe driving bonus check? every six months without an accident, allstate sends a check. silence. are you in good hands?

we need to remain vigilant. isis is a very, very dangerous organization that has acquired territory and demonstrated an ability to kill americans because they are americans. their social media is slick. they take in over $1 million a day. >> $1 million a day. isis now sits astride one of the

largest oil deposits in the entire world and that is just part of their vast wealth some coming from countries who say they are with us in the fight against terrorists. craig now follows the isis money. >> it seems like out of nowhere the islamic state or isil has emerged to become the richest terror organization in the world. through their brutality and intimidation the organization has gained control of vast areas of syria and iraq and with that, their oil fields, banks, often hostages that these ruthless terrorists have used to raise millions of dollars every day. >> they are running it like start up. we need money. who can help us. >> first they got the seed money from rich sunnis, and kuwait and other countries. and they had to build a business.

so you you get the next round of funding, al qaeda tipped in. >> charles payne and liz clayman compare it to the growth of twitter or facebook suddenly flush with cash. >> they helped themselves by attacking and taking control of oil fields. they are managing to pump up 300 to 500 barrels per day from the seized oil fields. >> on june 10th as isis stormed mosul they didn't break the bank they seized every nickel and dime deposited. >> they took the central bank in mosul. that was $500 million. >> they ditched their uniform and hardware as they fled bank vaults were emptied. bid by but where but where do the money go? do foreign banks have their hands on the blood money?

>> someone that we knew, a bank that we deal with, a bank we see commercials for actually facilitated this. >> we know that western banks have been fined billions of dollars for dealing in dirty money. what about foreign banks that might utilize this money? their banks? >> we can only hope there are fingerprints and footprints left behind that we will catch. >> kidnapping has been phenomenal for them. one kidnapping of four french citizens that yielded $18 million. >> isis reportedly controls $2 billion in assets from a combination of kidnapping ransomings, private donations, taxes and black gold. in late july the terror network took over oil fields in northern iraq, quickly developing an oil smugglers network that sells 100 trucks of oil daily worth about $9,000 each. >> they get 1 million a day from

iraq and 2 million from syria which they operated with impunity until this week. that's $100 million a month. you can run a lot of operation with that dough. >> what countries are dealing with these people? >> so many believe that the money trail will solidly go to qatar. >> the turkish government is trying to a become more islamic. does this conflict with their goal. >> isis is a leader using new technology and social media to appeal for donations. >> a lot gets back to the original seed money, the large very wealthy benefactors that kicked this thing off. >> after isis occupied parts of syria last year the terror group earned tens of millions selling antiquities that had been solon. -- stolen. one official said that isis acquired $36 million from one region alone by selling relics

up to 8,000 years old. >> we have a coalition of arab countries supposedly coming together help us in this war but are they also making money off this war? >> there is no way in the world that most of these countries are doing a total crackdown. they have to be turning a blind eye at least to the facilitation the free flowing of cash. >> remember the saying it takes money to make money? it also takes money to perpetrate acts of tooror. terror. not that money. devastating 9/11 attacks involving 20 terrorists financed with a few hundred thousand dollars. but authorities fear that isis now the richest terrorist group in history will be able to finance major acts of mass murder and mayhem around the world. back to you. >> thanks. here's what i think. if so many of our own congress was not in the pocket of these two-faced hypocritical arab nations the war on terror would

be further along. that is a story that deserves investigation and follow up. and coming up, it has happened in the american heartland. a self radicalized muslim extremist has apparently killed a co-worker. we'll be live from oklahoma after this. ing ] when you go the extra mile to help business owners save on commercial auto insurance, you tend to draw a following. [ brakes screech ] flo: unh... [ tires squeal, brakes screech, horn honks ] ooh, ooh! [ back-up beeping, honking ] a truckload of discounts for your business -- now, that's progressive.

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death of michael brown saying it exposed the mistrust of police and hurt all of america not just black communities, vowed to start a program to help improve the lives of young men. now back to "geraldo rivera reports." alton nolen has regained consciousness and been interviewed by investigators, what do we know about this muslim convert. let's ask sergeant jeremy lewis. what is the alleged per traitors condition and is he cooperating

>> he is cooperating. he is stable. we look for him to be released from the hospital early this week where he will be transported to the cleveland county jail. >> you say he is cooperating. tell me -- to the extent you can, obviously, cooperating about why he did what he did? has he confessed? >> i can't get into the specifics of what the interview details -- but as far as him speaking with us, he did speak with investigators and i would say it was a productive interview. >> as he requested an attorney? >> that i do not know. i know that he did speak with us as far as requesting an attorney i do not know. we did get a statement from him yesterday. >> he has in essence given you an explanation of why he did what he did? >> what came out of the interview i don't have that information. but i was told he did speak with the investigators and it was productive. >> what role is the fbi playing? >> at this point they have not taken over the investigation. we are working closely with them.

i believe our investigators were meeting with them today to discuss exactly where we're going to go from here. of course, you know, now that we have been able to speak with him and each hour that goes on, more of the investigation comes about. that's when they will determine whether they are take the investigation or continue to allow us to investigate the crime. >> veteran officer that you are how did you react when you hear he cut someone's head off? >> it's just kind of unbelievable. it's still kind of unbelievable to me that it would happen anywhere, much less here in oklahoma city. it's just -- i mean, it's -- it's unimaginable. >> it is unimaginable are you treating like an act of terror or a crime? >> our investigators regardless of the crime we have to investigate it as a homicide which is how our investigators have to do it.

if it switches into something else that's when the fbi will take over and that's -- that's how they will investigate it. but as of right now, we're investigating it like how we know how to investigate a crime. that's why whenever we obtain information from witnesses, some of the other information our investigator obtain, that's when we contacted the fbi and there were reasons to do that. >> i'm sure there were. sergeant jeremy lewis, i appreciate it. with me bernard carrick. former new york city police commissioner. you heard him. your comment. sounds like the fbi, sounds like terror. >> the fbi will have to look at it. he was trying to recruit others into islam. the fbi will look at his associates. where'd he come from. there is a part of this that a lot of people are not focused on. there are thousands of these

guys, converts in prison. thousands. and they are recruiting constantly. >> as he was just in prison. >> constantly recruiting in state prisons in federal prisons. and i think that's something the fbi is going to look at. where did he come from? who were his associates and what were they doing? how much contact did they have? >> the obviously fear is this is the beginning of something awful. >> that's one incident. i have been saying this since 2004 and 2005. it's going to happen in this country if we don't fight this abroad we're going to fight it here. and exactly what i said would happen is happening. >> give me guidance. you heard what he said about the fbi's involvement. at what point does got from an ordinary -- despicable crime, a criminal investigation to something broader?

like a terror. >> when they get confirmation that his actions were based on the fact this he was carrying out a radical extremist act. which is exactly what's going on in iraq and syria. that's exactly what isis is calling for. as you saw last week, as soon as i talked about cutting down on their facebook accounts and the communications networks they slammed me -- they put it all over twitter. >> they tweeted about you? >> yeah. they talked act my interview and what i was saying. and then they sent it out to a bunch of their pals. the bottom line is they are communicating all over the world and calling for acts in this country. you have maniacs like this guy and others like him that are going to follow these instructions and do what they say. >> what do you do as a cop?

how do you solve it? >> i think the police departments have to realize this stuff is coming. -- all over the country. in the new york city police department, there's a whole multitude of programs that the cops are looking at now and the cops go through training programs. i know in newark, the newark police department, the newark s.w.a.t. team they are all training for this stuff. but every department, local state department around the country has to be prepared and plan for this kind of stuff. >> thanks. bad news but at least we get the score. coming up, will we need boots on the ground to defeat isis in iraq and syria. thank god there are boots on the ground. they belong to the kurds. that's next after this. relook.

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community, united states included. united kingdom, germany, france and many others. however, remember, isis has captured heavy equipment from the u.s. military given to the iraqi security forces in 2011. bradley vehicles, tanks and mortars. for us to go on the offensive and take back the areas isis has taken we need heavy equipment to be on the same footing or better. >> what happened to mosul dam. >> we were talking to our intelligence folks on the ground when they were attacking in mosul >> they were telling us that our peshmerga forces are firing ak-47s and rpgs at the humvees. what was happening is like throwing a rock at the wall. that's how they were bouncing off these vehicles. as a result, the peshmerga forces retreated and took back with the help of air strikes.

u.s. and other allied air strikes. >> did the maliki government screw kurdistan? be frank here. in the way the maliki government screwed the sunnis who were loyal to the iraqi government? >> there is absolutely no doubt about that. maliki alienated the kurds and margin allies marge listed the sunnis. today we have 1.4 million refugees in our town consisting of christians, yazidis and others who have sought refuge in our area. maliki cut off our budget since the beginning of the year totaling upwards of $9 billion. and we have not received a budget. and we are faced with an enemy fighting 600 miles long. no sovereign country can defeat and protect such a large territory. absolutely no doubt that maliki held the political system

hostage. >> can isis be stopped? >> absolutely. initially isis played good cop/bad cop. now the people are realizing that isis is not what they had portrayed and thought isis was going to be. what is happening within the population they're uprising and taking out isis militants when day have the opportunity. they are determined in carrying out this fight. they are professional, veteran and loyal to the cause. unlike with the iraqi security forces we will take the fight isis and defeat them. >> with their slick propaganda videos and skilled use of social media, isis has no trouble getting their sick word out. how do they do it? it's next as our special report continues after this. ross ameri, i've learned that when you ask someone in texas p savings on car insurance, . blarz

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>> i've spoke to isis supporters, you can just send out a tweet and there's chances they will respond. they like to contact certain researchers and different analyst. they are playing a game on there too with those people whenever they're contactd. >> what generally is the tone or tenure of their communications. are they sophisticated? who are they on social media. >> it's like you're dealing with any other human being. there's going to be angry times. there's actually twitter trolls, meaning people who will kind of go after you and try to get you off of message. and they will try to argue with us. other times they will try to be far more friendly. they will do anything to influence any level of different population that's are out there. >> they are obviously reaching an audience of western young people. maybe even this guy in oklahoma who beheaded his coworker.

for the 18-year-old, the 20-year-old, the sunni extremist in the making, the convert, whatever it is, is it easy for them to get a fellow traveller to seduce them to come fight and blow something up, to come and behead somebody. >> the group itself, isis has sent out messages using different propaganda platforms, like social media. calling on these lone wolves, as they are called a lot in media, to do certain acts. this has happened quite a bit. usually they will try to look at what tasks you can perform. if you are an engineer. if you know about media. if you know how to hold a camera, maybe they will be more excited if you contact them. >> take it the other way. if home depot can be penetrated by hackers, or target can be

penetrated, can't we use social media to get at the bad guys. >> i'm pretty sure we do. i mean, look, we spend billions of dollars a year on nsa, central intelligence agency, the federal bureau of investigation, i'm more than certain there's different entities in the u.s. government and other governments watching what's going on and also trying to get these people from doing bad deeds. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> you know, we're at war. like it or not, we're at war. for those still cheering edward snowden, who leaked all those nsa intelligence secrets, you have to wonder how many of our secrets ended up in the hands of isis thanks to edward snowden. now gives congratulations to

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