when they get there, play our show. and then give them a bologna sandwich. that's it for now. this is mike huckabee from new york. good night and god bless. stay tuned for justice with judge jeanine. hello and welcome to justice. i'm judge jeanine. thanks for being with us tonight. you are now seeing the dawn of a new era where the torture is medieval, the enemy barbaric and the consequence to your freedom enormous. what this country faces is not just a threat, it is a reality. no longer free and easy or live and let live. and now you must adapt to this frightening new reality. to them we're the great satan. to them we're the infidel. and them includes now

radicalized americans, arrested here aez lone wolves. one charged with the killing of four americans. last week in australia, a plot to horrify and shock the public with planned beheadings. and this week an oklahoma man beheads a woman completely decap tats her. then he's in the midst of attacking yet another woman with a knife when he is stopped. that man, 30-year-old alton nolen, a recent convert to islam. now nolen visited a mosque whose former leader reportedly had ties with an al qaeda mastermind. until we put the fear of god in them, they're going to keep coming. we can't negotiate with them. we can't trade with them. we can't let them out of guantanamo. in fact, even guantanamo is too

good for them. and i don't personally care what the rest of the world thinks of us. until we get this country back on track with our military superiority, the hallmark of a strok and a free nation, then our enemies will continue to attack us as lone wolves or as legion. yes, we are a free and open society. but i've told you before that because of that we're spoiled. we don't know from behead lings and public crucifixions and public suicide bombers. and we don't know the pain of being forced out of our homes because 0 our religious believes. and because of that freedom we're at even greater risk. so what do we do? it's time for americans to realize it's us against them. to come together as a nation. to forget about the political lines that separate us.

we have to start treating these cases as war crimes, not simple prosecutable felonies. we can start by calling things what they are. when a ft. hood shooter guns down his fellow soldiers with a business card that says soldier of allah, it's not workplace violence, it's terrorism and he's a terrorist. and i don't want to hear the acting head of the cia tell me that he took the words islamic out from in front of the word extremist because he didn't want to inflame passion. and i don't want the word jihad scrubbed from the fbi training manuals. and i don't want to hear that isis is not an islamic state any more than the usa is not the united states of america. or that we're not states, or that we're not united.

and i'm tired of taking outside ads to apologize to other religions while our government drags and sues the little sisters of the poor to the united states supreme court for simply expressing their religious believes. i'm tired of the charades and yes, i am angry. and you need to get angry. our worst fears might very well be here and it's time we started thinking proactively, getting ahead of the curve, not waiting for disasters to happen. whether they're in our schools or in our malls or in your homes, we need to think about how we protect us, how we protect americans. first, close the border. period, end of story. i don't want to hear any hogwash about how people can have a better life if they come here. our fbi director this week talked about americans fighting

alongside isis. not only must they be stopped from coming back to the u.s., they have is to be stripped of their citizenship for good. and maybe we can take some lessons from israel, a country that's long lived in the shadow of terrorists threats and strife. we can use technology to erase racial concerns. responses to questions that can then subject the flyer to secondary screening. and stop, please stop with the gun control. the second woman attacked in oklahoma didn't lose her head, did not lose her head because an off-duty sheriff's deputy used his gun and shot the attacker. and i don't care what the rest of the world thinks of us. and i'd warj a guess that you don't care what people in other parts of the world think of us. i suspect that you, like me,

care about the safety and security of your family. and it's not going to happen until you realize the world is different. the rules are different. and the consequences are enormous. and that's my open. now we're going to go to the latest on the oklahoma beheading. sergeant jeremy lewis from moore, oklahoma police department joins me by phone. are you there? >> yes, ma'am. >> all right. let me ask you this, sergeant. the murder suspect is now awake. what is the latest you can tell snus. >> he actually came out of sedation yesterday. our detectives were able to question him yesterday afternoon and he is now technically in custody. he's still in the hospital. we're looking to possibly getting him released early the first of this week. and that's when he'll be transported to jail.

>> okay. you said that you had spoken with him today or that detectives have spoken with him. >> yes. >> what was said? >> yesterday they did conduct an interview with him. unfortunately, i haven't been given that information but that's going to be something in the investigation that i won't be able to release right now. >> i didn't think so, sergeant, but i thought i would try you. what about when you say that the might be released and taken to jail. when is he being arraigned? will the judge come to the hospital or will the arraignment be held up? >> we will present charges to the cleveland county district attorney's office first thing monday morning and that's whenever he will -- he can be arraigned there. >> he's facing charges of murder one. oklahoma, i believe, still has the death penalty, correct in. >> yes. >> nowy ear working with the feds on this to determine whether or not this guy is, you know, operating alone or, you know, based upon what we're hearing that he was trying to

recruit other people into islam. is it possible that the feds will take this case from the locals and prosecute it as a federal terrorism case? >> yes, that is possible. >> all right. and the second victim, can you tell us how she's doing? >> i am actually in the process of getting her latest condition. the last condition i had was she was stable. i have had reports, someone calling that she's been released. i have not gotten that information. all of the information i had was that she was stable. >> we wish her god speed. sergeant, thanks so much for being with us tonight. >> thank you. >> with me now the founder of the investigative project, steve emerson. welcome. a great night for you to be on. alton nolen's facebook page. you've seen it. what does it tell you about him and what his intentions are? >> his facebook page is replete with statements, pictures that

emphatically reveal his allegiance to radical islam, his atread of the united states, his support of 9/11 attacks, his support of killing americans, his support of osama bin laden. it's a road map to his affiliation and support to radical islam. it's proof of the fact that he's a jihadist. >> so when you say that he has the markings of a jihadist. tell us why. >> let me add a couple of other things. not only does the facebook page prove that beyond a shadow of a doubt, but the fact that his computers that were seized by law enforcement show that the website he visited also revealed that he was looking at radical websites that were radical islamic websites going for the killing of americans. he was converted in jail to be a radical muslim. the first step that is done by

jihadists to prove, after when they start converting people, which he was doing, after he was released from jail, to prove that they can carry out acts of terrorism. so i'm looking at a scenario here -- we don't know -- let me say jeanine, what actually prompted him to pop. he was fired from his job. we don't know that he was carrying out this beheading as a jihadist or that he was carrying it out because he was fired. but he carried it out as a jihadist in a jihadist manner, a decapitation which is an islamic way. but this guy was a ticking time bomb and i'm positive in saying this. if he didn't carry out this attack now at this point he would have done it in the future. there are tens of thousands of others like him lurking outside in the united states who haven't done this but are jihadists and are just waiting to do it. and that's the problem. because as you know as a judge, you need a criminal predicate in order to charge somebody. just because they express their

support for jihad and willingness to kill you can't charge them and you can't open up an investigation. >> of course not. but the intent is the circumstances surrounding the crime both before and after that give us some sense of what the individual was thinking. and you know, i think for the american people, they're wondering if, you know, if this is the carrying out of a jihaddy, a lone wolf carrying out his own jihad or if this is something bigger than that. make so mistake, steve, this guy is in prison and actually tried to escape from detention and didn't escape. he was charged with assaulting an officer. he just got out of state's prison. we're going the talk a little later in the show about the radicalization of some of our inmates to islam based upon what they're learning in prison. but with this case, how do we know whether or not his trying to recruit other people to join

islam is indicative of his being a jihadist? >> well, first of all, there was a cia and fbi, there were profiles dawn couple of years ago about muslim inmates converted to islam and what they actual do do in prison and what they do when they get out of prison. the first thing they do out of prison in order to prove their loyalty to islam is to convert people to islam to prove that they're true muslims. the second thing they do after they prove that is to do other steps. this is going to lead to other people involved, somebody running this guy. number two if we find out that he popped or carried out this killing because he was angry about being fired, then if he didn't -- if he wasn't fired he would have carried out something else, a jihadist killing because me was a radical jihadist that believed in killing americans. frankly, jeanine, there are tens of thousands of others like him

in the country. i have no doubt that we're going so see other things like that this are going on around the world. we're entering a global jihad. and the fact is this administration, the attorney general, the white house, they're banned the use of the term islamic terrorism. the attorney general retiring should be tried on obstruction of justice because i can tell you this is not publicly known. he has quashed the indictments of terrorists charges against known terrorists charities but he didn't want to alienate islam communities in the united states. >> thank so much for being with us this evening. coming up, much more on the horrific beheading in america's heartland. and tonight's inthat poll, should the oklahoma beheading case be called workplace

tonight terror in the heartland after an oklahoma woman is beheaded at work. the murder suspect, po-year-old alton nolen, a just fired employee was, according to police, trying to convert coworkers to islam. with me now, retired u.s. navy lieutenant commander and founder of the american islamic forum for democracy. lit's nice to have you on this evening. is this guy a lone wolf part of a jihad or a nut job? >> well, i can't tell you how important it is to abandon this concept of lone wolf. he's no more a lone wolf than an individual flu virus is a lone wolf among millions of flu viruses around the world. the virus is the etiology of radical and political islam. the only difference is the end

is the same but the means may be different. this jihadist wants to see -- he hates america. if you look at his facebook page. 's all about anti-americaism. he views the world as anti-westernism and pro-islam m pro-islamism. there are those that do it through beheading and those that do it through peaceful means. but it's the same etiology that radicalizes them. >> the rad kaization of inmates in prison. my last guest was talking about the fact that one of the first thing they're supposed to do apparently as part of an initiation of some sort is to try to recruit other people to islam. is that correct?? >> yeah. i mean there's so many different mem nichls in which why they're in prison they try to seek

redempti redemption. we've seen a multiple number of cells like the one in new york last year that was convicted on trying to commit acts of terror only months after leaving prison. what happens is these are vulnerable populations that are fed on by these global ideal logs. but the bottom line is if we're going to defeat this, there's a new cold war. it's an ideology that we're fighting. if we miss the target and continue to say it's a whack a mole counterterrorism program, we need to wake up. it's not just violence but it's tes ideology that teaches our kids, teaches our youth that america's anti-muslim, anti-islam, that's a false narrative that we need to defeat >> when you talk about the radicalization of prisons, wouldn't it be interesting if they did some kind of exit interview to assess whether or not there is this

radicalization. i'm sure they can't find out for sure but there's got to be some following of these guys for the protection of innocent americans. >> absolutely. and there's so much we can do. we -- because of political correctness we can't talk about jihad or islamism. we're not putting resources behind the projects that we should be doing as they exit to find out what it is. the nypd did a home grown study in 2007 that talked about the steps of jihadism to. they're not studying that anymore because of political correctness. this administration doesn't want to enable reformers but actually wants to enable islamic apoll justs that we see in which brotherhood ideal logs are actually advising our president rather than actually reform. >> all right. thanks so much for being with us this evening.

>> thank you, judge. appreciate it. coming up, the war on isis. but wait. you're not going to believe how little our own secretary of state knows about the

who is the head of the free syrian opposition, the moderate rebels that you are planning to train? >> well, first of all, we're in the process of setting up the vetting system for those that we would begin training, moderate opposition syrian fighters. >> who is the head of that operation? >> we don't have a head of it. >> the obama's plan is to arm the opposition to fight isis. $500 million to arm the group

that some say is only 50% ready to fight. and our secretary of defense cannot name the head of the free syrian army. with me, retired lieutenant general jerry voiton. >> you know, judge, this should give you a good indication of just how serious this administration is about defeating and destroying isis. this is sad. >> it's not only sad. it's our money. it's $500 million. we've. going back and forth on this for so long and they bombed them when they were first starting and they could have gotten the convoys in the desert and now it's a mess. 98 people are involved. do you think we should arm the syrian rebels? >> this is a feel good option. this makes the president and the congress feel like they've really done something positive. but that's all it is a feel good option. and eventually this is going to backfire. do you really believe we're

going to vet these people in does anybody really think we're going to vet these people? i certainly don't. and our track record of arming and training these kind of muslim groups is not a good one. go all the way back to when the soviets occupied afghanistan and look at the history of who got all of the weapons and what they did with those weapons. they eventually became the taliban and we eventually had to fight these people. this is just a feel good option and sit a dangerous move as far as i'm concerned. >> you know, i have been saying from the beginning, how do you vet them? do you run a rap sheet? it's apparent we've been training in jordan, training, cia doing for some of these rebels? >> that's right. that's been ongoing for quite some time. but again, you don't know who these people are. there's only 5,000 of these people. there's 30 to 35, maybe even 40,000 isis. so what do you think is going to happen in the long term.

got to think through this. we can't just do this on a motion. there has to be more than an emotional response here. what's going to happen, 5,000 against 30,000. do you think that maybe the weapons that we give them are ultimately going the end up in the hands of the people we're fighting against right now, isis? i think it will. >> what should we do? we're in a mess. we waited too long. what do we do going forward? >> we stop telling the enemy what we will and won't do. principle of war, surprise. let's apply it. secondly continue to build the coalition. and thirdly we insist that the kurds have a direct arming, a direct support so that we're not going to the iraqi government. and then finally consider all option to include boots on the ground. i hate to see more american jt&háhp &hc% now or you develop fortress america and you kill them on our

own soil. >> i happen to agree with bill o'reilly. i think we ought to get a mercenary force over there, pay them and threat them do their job. final question, there's a question as to whether or not the air strikes help assad. does anyone really think that we're not helping assad by bombing isis? who are we kidding? >> judge, thank you. what it comes down do is which is the lesser of two evils, allowing assad to stay there. assad has never threatened chris chance or israel. what we do know is these muslim groups calling themselves isis, they have been killing, beheading and just slaughtering christian and they've stated their intention to destroy israel. which is the lesser of two evils? >> thank very much. my special good-bye to attorney general eric holder.

she's just back from the front lines

friday. i'm mary ann rafrty. now back to "justice" with judge jeanine. this week attorney general in over his head announces he's leaving the justice department as soon as his replacement is found. so will we miss him? let me count the ways. or let me count the scandals. the lack of prosecution, the political favoritism that permeated his tenure. and i think he'll be remembered as probably the worst ag in our nation's history other than who is that guy, attorney general john mitchell, the one with nixon who actually went to jail. and who can forget his vast knowledge of any one of a number of topics. >> i don't know. i don't know what has happened in this matter. i don't know. i don't know. i assume he was but i don't know. that i don't know. i don't know why that didn't happen.

i don't know. that i'm not sure. we probably have to get back to you with an answer on that. i just don't know. i don't know whether or not what funds are being used or whether that letter would apply to that effort. . just don't know. yeah, i don't know. i simply don't know. >> what i know is that i called for holder to go over a year ago. >> the united states department of justice is the citadel of truth in america and it commands respect. it deserves a leader who understand, respects and reveres the law. it deserves a leader who has the integrity, the intellect and the commitment to advance the cause of justice. you've already been held in contempt of congress, the arrogance, the lies, the double standards are both 'em bar razzing and beneath us. the american people can no longer aword so many missteps in our citadel of american justice.

mr. attorney general, it's time for you to go. well better late than never. and now we all have to hope that we don't see eric holder's name popping up on any short lists for the united states supreme court. and now back to the war on isis. is isis family friendly? why would a woman take her children and tearily join these terrorists? my next guest is just back from iraq where she was on the front lines overlooking islamic state's strong hold with kurdish forces. it's nice to have you here. tell me, what was it like over there? >> it's so good to be even here. it is -- it was -- it's not what you see on the news. we went over there, i went over there with an organization, healing tree international out

of pennsylvania and they've been going over there for about ten years working with the kurdish forces. and the military and the people. and we went over to help with the refugees at first. so we worked with the yazidi refuge refugees. there's refugees all over the place. they're sleeping in the buildings, under the bridges, on the sides of the roads. they're just all over the place. and so that was one thing that we did. and then the next thing is we went out to the top mount where the peshmerga forces taken the mountain over from isis enit's a strong hold for the peshmerga forces. it's 20 kilometers north of mosul and isis has a lot of strong hold. that's where the peshmerga

forces are advances. >> so you had an opportunity to talk with some of these people being forced out of their homes. what are they say i gueing. >> it's traumatic. one said there were 5,000 of the yazidis that they believe have been killed and 2,000 women and girls have been kidnapped and they believe only 50 of them survived. and these women and girls have been sod out on the market. they've been sold in syria, sold to the fighters in marriage for various reasons. so they told us traumatic stories. we're talking to one refugee, whose family, he had four members of his family still being held by isis. he could talk to them on the phone. and when we would talk to them on the phone, he could talk to his relatives but then he was able to talk to isis as well. and isis told him that we're holding your family members for hostages against the u.s. air

strikes. and he said there's in way that -- they're going to kill them anyway. >> she said this to you as matter of fact. >> i want to switch gears a little. women taking their children and actually joining isis. why would a family want to do that? >> one of the reasons, what they say ask what they say about the u.s. and the west too is they want to live with religion, where they're leaving a secular company, leaving the sex and drugs and crime. but in reality that's where i believe that the isis are using the social media to recruit these women that are lonely and depressed. they make them feel they will be accepted because isis has a long term goal. they're thinking long term. this didn't come out of nowhere. this has been years and years after planning. and so one of their goals is

that they want the women, how they conduct jihad is that they outbirth us. >> outbirth, you mean have more children? >> they have more children. that's one of the things, isis needs women and children so they can continue. >> wow. that's one that i hadn't heard from before. and you know, i want to get your take. there is a female fighter pilot, and that's her picture right up there on the screen. she joined the mission against isis in syria. now besides being proud of her because she's a woman and because she is from a country where you wouldn't expect that, is there a particular meaning to a woom having that kind of role in the war? >> that was when i was over there, that's where i learned that isis are actually afraid of women fighters, that they actually would run away from the women fighters because they believe if they get killed by a woman they won't go to heaven.

one of the things that was told, why don't you all put women fighter pilots in your jets. >> if they get killed by a woman they won't go to heaven? that's what they think? >> that's what they think. >> we need a few more. >> i agree. >> it's good to have you here, terra. be safe. are you going back? >> eventually, yes. >> thanks for sharing with us this evening. coming up, there's a soldier trained in the art of war have the right to object to being ♪ ♪ it's time to bring it out in the open. it's time to drop your pants for underwareness, a cause to support the over 65 million people who may need depend underwear. show them they're not alone and show off a pair of depend. because wearing a different kind of underwear, is no big deal. join us. support the cause and get a free sample of depend

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cdc says ebola in west africa could affect 1 pbt 4 million people. the next four months and we send our military to west africa to fight the ebola threat. what's that got to do with us? with me now infectious disease expert dr. stephen morris. good evening, doctor. it's in west africa. how difficult would it be to come here? >> i think it would be very hard to come here. we may have seeing people who have ebola who have been exposed to it who end up at an airport. they may get sick while they're on the plane. they may get sick afterwards. but i think if they go to a hospital, someone -- we have a very high level of awareness here and they'll be appropriate isolation precautions and other precautions to make sure that they don't infect others.

>> and what about them? i mean you seem to be pretty confident about that. >> no, nothing can be said with absolute confidence. but we' seen a few people come back under special conditions and the results have been that that patients have done well and none of the health care workers or other people have become infected. obviously those are very specialized facilities but i think that we do have a high level of awareness here and i think that it is possible to be careful and take the right precautions. >> would most hospitals -- let's just talk about somewhere, anywhere in mall town america. are our hospitals prepared to even know how to handle the high levels of you know biological ebola waste from a patient? >> the waste is the major issue because usually medical waste of this type is not processed. it's just put into red bags and essentially someone has to take

it away. and many people are perhaps unwilling. many of the usual companies would be unwilling to take it. so some hospitals have had to barrow sterilizers from other institutions to be able to inactivate, to kill the ebola virus to make sure that it's safe to handle. >> all right. >> and that reassures people. not every small town place is going to be able to do that. hopefully they'll be able to get people safely to larger facilities where they'll be able to handle it. >> if it's identify for what it is. thanks so much for being with us. >> my pleasure. thank you. >> with me now retired u.s. marine corps gunnery sergeant jesse duff. while our veterans die waiting for doctors, our commander in chief sends 3,000 troops to west africa for a growing threat to global security.

what are we doing? >> this is misplaced priorities. i mean the real threat, the real virus right now is called isis with the death of 13,000 people. ebola has gone over 3,000 people. but we've got 13,000 dead in the hands of a real virus and the president decided that this is a bigger priority. meanwhile what is he going to do to protect the troops from tin fex themselves? what is being done? we are not health care workers in the military. we've done humanitarian efforts to deliver supply and food when natural disasters happen. right now we've got a million people dying of aides in africa and 24,000 americans die of the flu. how did this become a threat. >> what about the humanitarian workers, eight of them hacked to death when they went over there to help these people? what's that about? >> exactly. so this is another problem that's going on. their society believes that some of these health care workers are bringing the virus to them.

there's many superstitions associated with ebola. so health care worker were all found in a latrine dead, three of them with their throats slit. this also happened in july and april where they're brandishing knives. >> how are we going to protect them. >> let's talk about the military then. i remember from the vietnam era. i can't imagine guys in the military or their wives were girlfriends, mothers, i don't care, at some point they know they're in danger, they're in the military. but if you've got this virus and doctors are getting it and they know what they should be doing, can you object to going over there? >> no, you cannot. you cannot refuse orders unless they're unlawful. that's the sad thing. we've got officers and sailors getting pink slips. yet we're going to spend $1 billion on this. we have no way of protecting our own military from potential death. where are the protesters going

to be when the body bags come back from ebola virus. i want them to stand up to the president and not put us in harm's way under any condition. >> what about the ebola virus being used as a, you know, in biological weapons? >> there's been no evidence of that. in the mail tear we're trained and given shots against an tracks and various other biological ait cans. this is a false claim that this is going to be a national security, in our national security interest. >> all right. what about the fact that we're spending $750 million for -- in just one country of liberia? >> this is just -- it's absurd because what's happening is our pentagon is suffering massive cuts right now and we're going to decide that. military needs to be over there and it's going to be more effective for our national security. meanwhile we have real threats in syria, lebanon, throughout

the middle east that we hear about every day. everything you can name. and yet 3,000 boots on the ground with ebola. i don't get it. it doesn't make any logical sense. >> i don't get it either but it's good to have you on. thanks for being with us this evening. >> thank you. responses to my open last weekend. an attack from isis. if you didn't see it go to our "justice with judge jeanine" show page. should the oklahoma beheading case be

last week in my opening statement i predicted isis would be coming here and how we're not prepared for an attack. they can't secure the border.

they can't secure the white house. they sure as hell don't have the ability to protect us. dhs is a waste of taxpayer money. william says that america is not ready for a natural disaster. fema to the rescue? don't count on it. and jeffrey says, one of brown's victims was killed a few blocks from where i live in seattle. hardly a whisper from the local media about being a terrorist act. just a dead guy in the neighborhood. you're right. you know why? one of the things that the defendant said was that his mission was the vengeance for the millions of lives lost in iraq and syria. and karen said some are here already and ready for word. with our border how could we keep them out?

americans are too busy with their noses in their cell phones texting and watching reality tv shows. they don't have a clue as to what's going on? it would be nice if they wouldn't have to worry but they do. and paula says our government may not be ready but it's don't kid yourself a lot of americans are ready. we will fight and secure. god bless the usa. why do i think that person is from texas or something? kay says, judge, we truly need to pray and stand together as the great country we have always been in the past. nobody can take that away from us unless we allow it. well said. and now for the results of the poll. should the oklahoma beheading case be called workplace violence? william says absolutely not. enough with this pc nonsense. chris seen says no it's terrorism. when do we hear of beheadings in america. we're not there yet but we have to get more facts in. deanne says this is a low

pressure wolf terrorist act. peggy says calling it workplace violence is like calling the manson murders a home invasion. mary says since when is beheading someone workplace violence. that's like saying grand theft auto is just borrowing the car. scott says no there is enough evidence to show it is an act of terror. if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck it is a duck. and annie says if this is workplace violence should we have people in hr settling it? and todd says since he was no longer an employee how could it be workplace violence? and donna says that's like calling the fort hood shooting workplace violence. clearly, a violent individual with a criminal history. and that's for the us tonight. thanks for joining us and tune in tomorrow night for a special

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thanks for watching, huckabee starts right now. >> a woman is beheaded in oklahoma. is it work place violence? or is it jihad? >> and young voters about to sway the election and my tearful good bye to eric holder. not really. and big and rich performing tonight on "huckabee". ♪ >> good evening, everybody. i am mike huckabee and thanks for joining us. i have plenty to say about the horrible beheading in oklahoma. a lot has happen this week. president obama ordered air