dinner and a show. when they get there, play our show. and then give them a bologna sandwich. that's it for now. this is mike huckabee from new york. good night and god bless. stay tuned"justice with judge jeanine. >> welcome to a special live sunday edition of "justice." i am judge jammieanine pirro. a terrorism expert says the terror group khorasan doesn't he goes cy exist and the obama administration made it up to justify the air war which congress didn't give approval. >> obama gives us the khorasan group? the who? you haven't heard of the khorasan group because there isn't one. it is a name the administration came up with calculating

khorasan the iranian afghan border region had sufficient connection to jihadist lore that no one would call the president on it. the khorasan group is al qaeda. could mccarthy be right? ambassador to the u.n. and fox news contributor. >> does it cyst? exist? >> it by trying to describe it a new or different or accept were the organization the white house is trying to give the impression that it is somehowen relat -- somehow unrelated to al qaeda. al qaeda is on the run the war on terror is essentially over would not be disruptive. this is part of al qaeda as is many other terrorist groups as part of a larger problem, the

administration doesn't want to face reality, doesn't want to admit the war on terror is real except when it absolutely has to. >> they came up with the name soez he hadly becau -- supposed because it involves a region near afghanistan and iraq? >> along the areas where al qaeda has long been active, but i think the real issue here is not so much the name so much as the characterization of the group as being different from separate and not the same as the al qaeda that they tried definitionally to limit over the past six years to a group along the afghan, pakistan border. that has never been through and this is another manifestation of the inaccuracy, the deceptiveness of the white house narrative. >> it is kind of interesting ambassador, when i first heard the name the khorasan group it sounds like a pr firm on k

street. i want to talk about iranian president row rouhani this week spoke at he said he would be happy to fight isis if you would give me nuclear arms consideration. how did you interpret what he said? >> it was a very interesting speech, very subtly delivered but with a very clear message. i thought it was a rich contrast with president obama's speech where he barely mentioned iran. obama spent much of his speech talking about how russia ignored international norms, one of the president's favorite standards. didn't say anything about iran ignoring not just international norms but half a due ensecurity council saying they had to stop enrichment. his response was interesting. he said, i will help you with isis if you will cut me even

more slack in the negotiations over the nuclear weapons program. it is hard to image the administration giving more away from iran than already. rouhani opened the door i am afraid the president will walk through it. >> iran already has an interest in fighting with isis being the shiites and the isis being the sunnis the militant sunnis. why would we give them concessions at all we are going to go in there and fight them anyway are they not? >> that is what is interesting about row rouhani's logic they see the president is desperate for finding allies who will take isis on so there is no prospect of american ground troops being involved in the combat. that means specifically iran surrogates the government in baghdad and the assad regime in syria. the president said he is not going to persuade the assad regime but he is aiding abaghda.

rouhani is playing him like a violin o violin on isis and the nuclear program. >> we have already given him a great number of concessions during the 2012 campaign. rouhani goes on to blame the middle east terrorism saying our blunders in the region created a haven for extremists. >> rouhani is sounding a familiar line on iran and other similar regimes in the region. it is something i believe president obama himself believes in. obama said in the state of the union message in january that the long-term deployment of american troops helped contribute to extremism which is the word he refers to use instead of terrorism. rouhani now is in effect reminding obama what he himself believes as do many in ak dem y -- academia on the left.

we are the trouble makers and the cause of radical islam. if we defer to regional powers conveniently like iran how much better would things be says rouhani. >> how close is ir iran to they are very they are very or yaium it would only take coupleof hs i rush to build a sive nuclearear very produce the first it will be one of dozens or scores. >> netanyahu, prime minister from israel is going to be speaking at the u.n. this week. i image that his talk will be just the opposite of president rouhani's. >> i think netanyahu's speech will be one of the two or three most important opening of the

general assembly. he will try to refute what rouhani said about the nuclear program, has to refute what the palestinians have said about operation protective edge in the gaza strip. it will be a performance to look forward to munonday. netanyahu is a former ambassador feels comfortable in that context and gives a good performance. o >> thank you for being with us tonight. with me now is former vice chief of staff of the army retired four star general jack keem. good evening, general. thanks so much for being with us tonight. th what do you think this group is made up nothing to do than the already existing al qaeda? >> the basis of fact, we should begin by calling them what they dall themselves. mine i find it disturbing that

the sis lambist state of iraq isis has defined itself as an islamist state. we choose not to identify them with islam. it makes no sense whatsoever. it is their core belief system. when you start dealing with adversaries you have to define them who they think they are to begin with. >> we followed them by what they say they are. have you ever heard of this khorasan group? >> i never heard of it until we were launching strikes against them. >> against them. it sounds bizarre. so many people we have spoken with have never heard of it. we are going to be right back with more from you on isis. the question is going to be, can we stop them before they come here? and later, president obama blames the intelligence community

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y you>> there has to be a ground component to isil in syria. >> the president has assigned some boots, some american boots on the ground and in harm's way. >> in order for us to defeat them eventually you are going to see greater and greater participation of american ground forces. >> and to that john boehner dad he joined the long list saying isis cannot be defeated from the air alone. we are back with the compare shan for the institute of the study of wary tired general jack keen. give us the short version, one week of air strikes, what has

happened this week? >> well, one week of air strikes in syria and we have attacked every major function that they have in syria. listen, the center of gravity for isis is in syria. commander and control is there and instrfrastructurinfrastruct station areas, oil refineries they are using to make 2 million in cash through the black market as well as front line troops to the north up by the turkish border and out to the west. it is a pretty good week i think for air strikes in syria. >> now that isis knows that we are doing these air strikes, will they change the way they are operating. there were convoys coming from the north and proceeding south in syria, i mean, will they now use or change the way they do business? >> absolutely. they already started before we started. they realize these things were eminent. the issue is, if we can see you

we will kill you. if we listen to you on a radio or telephone we can kill you. they understand all of that. command and control is no longer fixed it is down in towns and villages using couriers and thumb drives to move things around. we are beginning to inhibit the operation. you don't have to kill them all. you have to disrupt and break up the functions that they are providing to impact what they are doing in iraq. remember what we are doing in syria dramatically impacts what happens in iraq. >> how many isis viet fighters are there? 30,000 maybe 40,000. how many are on the ground now in syria? do you know? >> i don't know. i think with the entire support structure they have there i would image a majority of the fighters are still in iraq with the entire sport struupport str there in syria. two-thirds of the fighters in

iraq one-third in syria. all support of the structure is in syria. >> let's assume there are x number of fighters in syria. whatever that number is a third. we are apparently vetting we are just beginning the vetting process according to defense secretary hagel and i hear that only 50 percent of them are ready and it is going to take a year. all of us agree we need to have fighters on the ground. most americans belief we are going to be ready on the ground. >> could isis be beat with fighting or do we have to go over there? >> the free syrian army is about 350,000. those numbers are arguable. the fact of the matter is the army has a major problem.

from damascus north in western syria and they are fighting against the regime with air power and authority against them. now we are also asking them to fight against isis which there have been some and have been successful. assad will try to destroy the free syrian army with its air power and we have to do something about that. that is why there's some discussion of a no-fly zone being established in syria where assad's air power will not fly. if it does try to fly we would destroy it. that is under some kind of consideration now. i totally agree with that policy whether we come out with a hard nosed policy like that remains to be seen. i don't know how the free syrian army can survive and accomplish both of those missions without that support and also without additional ground support. >> the whole idea of taking back mosul that is one of the de

areas we want to take back. go ahead. >> mosul is in iraq. clearly mosul is the second largest city in iraq. the command post for isis is in mosul in that area. to take that back will require a ground offensive led by the iraqi army with others participating in that. it is unlikely in most of us looking at that that they could be successful by themselves. we need to have people on the ground to assist them at least advisors, air ground controllers, special operations forces to provide assist stance to them and significant close air support in support of those operations. that all has to be there. it is unlikely they could succeed without it. >> general jack keen. thank you so much for joining us this morning. >> good talking to you, judge. >> coming up, the president blames the intel community for the rise of isis. a former cia operative weighs in after the break. voting in tonight's insta polls.

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>> how did they end up where they are in control of so much terrorism? was that a complete surprise to you? >> i think the med of the intelligence committee they underestimated it what they had taking place in syria. >> they didn't just say we underestimated isil. he said thwe over estimated the ability and the will of our allies the iraqi army to fight. >> that's true. that's absolutely true. >> president obama yet again blaming clue cls james claf ford

and even using him as his witness to confirm he was shocked, shocked at the quick rise of isis. then on the wheels of the president's first calling them a rag tag jv team, even though they said they have been watching him for two years. is this just another case of the intelligence community getting thrown under the bus? let's ask former cia covert operations mike baker. what say you? >> shocking, shocking headlines president obama finds someone to blame for policy failures in the white house in the administration. >> you are right. there's a long history of the intelligence community being thrown under the bus. the others in the community expect that. you don't fight back for obvious reasons. you are not going to go into detail. we have been reporting not just the cia but military intelligence have been pumping

information into the white house, the nfc for up to two years now on the growth of the islamic state, assessments on concerns with the readiness of the iraqi army. all of this was going into the white house. they choose to ignore them because they didn't meet the narrative they were putting oh you tell there about december pating al qaeda or they paid no attention. >> while we are on the theme of the narrative. chorus andrews, ever hear of them? >> yeah, this is one of those things, smoking mirrors. this is reflecting ever since suddenly it surfaced as our key threat. the group is nothing more than al qaeda elements.

some of the players coming out of pakistan and afghanistan. when we abandoned iraq it didn't leave sufficient troops in there. it created in vacuum. they can't resist it. they rush into syria around the area and other spots into syria because that's what they do. they knew they were going to be able to stay there, plot the plan, to grow and suddenly we want to act surprised we have an al qaeda element there. in part again because they didn't fit this narrative nobody in the white house was choosing to listen to the assessments and reporting that was coming in not

just on al qaeda there but also the islamic state. >> i want to put out another question. you have the national intelligence clapper. i have been calling him clueless for a long time. he is oot one that said unwittingly we check on people whatever. but how does a guy like that stay the head of national intelligence when he lied in front of congress and now the president shows him under the bus. doesn't he have any dignity? why would he even stay there? >> this isn't the first time he has said it's the community's fault. why he stays there? i don't know. >> at the really held on mike? >> he's got a lot of experience. he's in ra relatively thank los job. there have been a lot of self-inflicted wounds. he's a political character. he is survived all of this time. i wouldn't be surprised to see him leave not in the not too

distant future at this point. >> finally the information gets from the white -- to the white house from the ci aushg, the intel. in those daily briefings, correct? >> not just there but the bbc in other forms, too, it gets there. when it arrives that's when it really hits this washing machine of editing and the various agendas that are at play. you have raw intelligence off the ground. what happens to it then you can put it forward and for the president to say this is an intel failure. it has been coming in for months and months and months. the dia chief flynn no longer because he was forced out. he came forward with an assessment in if february of this year saying, look, isis or isil is going to be taking more

territory than they have. they are going to be expanding their reach in syria and iraq. nobody paid attention. >> mike baker very inmated tonight. thank you for being with us. >> folks, it's every jihadi nightmare. stay with thought i told you to stay off our turf. and what would you know about turf, skipper? let's end this here and now! let's dance! flo: whoa there!

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all with the same team. fans packing fenway park for the final game. jeter getting a run-scoring single, coming out of the game at this point finishing with a career batting average of 310 helping the yankees win five world series. i'm kelly wright. >> last night on "justice"e talked about every jihadist's nightmare. you are looking at the united arab emirates first female fighter pilate who joined the mission in syria. isis believe if they die at the hands of a woman they cannot get into heaven. my friend and journalist fox news contributor judith miller. all right, judith. ever hear that one? >> man soindividual extreme lis

believe a lot of different things, judge jeanine. i have to tell you what miriam al mansouri means to me she not only flew this f-16 complicated plane she led the combat mission. that is an extraordinary gesture by the united arab emirates. it says we the moderate muslims of the world do not need people taking religion in vein. we will fight. we will send our women to fight and we will send our best planes we bought from you but we will defeat you. >> not that we have time but i was reading about her. i was so impressed. she had to wait 10 years to get into the school. 35 years old. >> we all chair her on. >> atta girl. >> even more than that i want

our viewers to know judy has spent 25 years in the middle east ahead of the bureau for the new york times. you are very knowledgeable what about this group is this for real? >> what i find interesting is the semantic game they are playing. they don't want to admit these are the same people that we have been watching since they left to continue the fight in syria. they are much more important than the group in which they are embedded. they are the guys who are going to strike out of the whes when the opportunity presents itself.

>> we have had the ambassador on four star general a cia operative and nobody ever heard that before. >> tom jocelyn heard of him and well informed expert wtestified on the hill many times. he is with the journal and with the foundation for the defense of pem sdemocracies. he is an expert and they were only called that by that you are enternenal name. he has been watching them and testified for about 18 months. >> they are al qaeda from a different area. it is so painful for the administration to admit the tied of war was receding and we had succeeded in iraq. al qaeda was decimated. no, no, no.

it is a cancer that spreads, regroups when it is repressed in one area and it comes back in another. you have to continue the fight, continue the war on terror. and wars on terror because this requires financial war against them, a cultural war against them to say to the young people hey, you know, this is not cool. they may look like the strongest force now but they are going to be defeated by the very religion they have denigrated. >> always good to have you here on the show. with me retired u.s. navy commander and founder of the american islamic forum for democracy. sudi jazz fer. your take on andrew mccarthy's claim the khorasan group doesn't exist. >> i can't help but but think he is right. i have family in syria. they have been decimated by not only the assad regime but knowing what isis is, all of

these radical groups and nobody has heard of khorasan. it is a term that means a region in afghanistan india and iran. if they are there which syria has turned into this sort of nuclear political winter for radical groups they are going to recruit a few and go back. you can't help but think at no times part of the administrative narrative. >> what about the oklahoma beheading. the mother of the individual charged also nolan came out and apologized. but do you think as a result of this the muslim community is fearing reprisal right now? >> there is that fear. i told them as muslims we can't be victims.

the victimology that has allowed this ideology to spread. america when they realize we are the only solution to radicalism to fighting ideology of political islam the fear bee geeding fear and violence more would not spread. >> there was a recent letter of late by some muslims. it seemed to be critical of isis. why you tell us about that letter? >> i would ask people to look at it it was signed almost every leading islamist nod mott rads but islamist. they don't condemn all islamic states. americans start the whole how are we going to reform against the ideas that create these

monsters. it is not just the violence, it is not the means it's the end. this letter doesn't come close. it is anesthesia saying there's a right way to do the cal fate or right way to do jihad. i believe they nayed to look at a separate state that separates mosque and church and state. >> as they did through out the muslim brotherhood. why is it so many people who are killing us are muslims or claim to be muslim? >> this is the way to give a magnet for the ideology of jihadism that will bring them into the movement and others. there is this ideology of sup

prem supremacist ideology, it is perceived as being godless but rather the country at that gave my family the right to practice our faith more freely than any other muslim country. until we have that battle of ideas we are never going to stop the cycle of violence and radical groups that continue to be like a hiker. >> well said. thank you for being with us. the first hand account of what it is like in the aftermath of terror attack in u.s. soil and what you need to america's newest real estate brand is all ready the brand of the year. berkshire hathaway home services. good to know.

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>> the beheading of a man who had ties to islam some fear many more attacks will be coming. a man who wrote about this certain yea seven years ago ber kerik. >> your walking around the world trade center with rudy giuliani, 9-11, what was not working and what was not available? >> well, most importantly was the communication. we lost the switches, the towers were hit and the top repeaters went down. we didn't have communications to each other especially in the beginning. i was trying to get a hold of the mayor who was on the way to

this couldn't get a hold of his car. we had to switch to next tell point to point and talk through that. it was things like that that many of those things i think people the further we had gotten away from september 11th the less people think about it the less money people want to put into security, security preparedness, practice and preparation. just like the thing in oklahoma everybody is surprised. >> what did the article any>> you are going to fight this fight for years to come so you can fight it abroad or you can fight them here and what's happening now is we have thousands of these people going from the united states to iraq and syria and from europe going

to iraq and syria they are coming back. they are going to come back to the u.s. they are going to get in through the borders they are going to use their bapassports. if intelligence doesn't pick up on them if we can't monitor and track them we are much better. >> there's no way we can. there's no way we can. there are 12 of them fighting, they are coming through mexico or canada. >> the capability is far better than it was september 11th. but the problem is you are not going to get every one. you are going to get back here and they are going to communicate with these people through twitter, through facebook, through social media and something is going to happen. everybody is going to stand around and say why weren't our schools protected, why wasn't the water supply the power grid protected. >> i remember calling you on 9-11. i was with the da the police commissioner i remember saying

my daughter is at the bent gone. tefz 16 at rye country day. i got to know is she okay? the panic, i think the viewers need to understand this, there has to be a plan where family members where do children go if you can't get in touch with them. people now especially with the beheadings and with what happened you have two there with pressure cookers. >> you are going to see stuff like this happen. they were calling for it in social media. it's going to happen. it's not if. a oo what do you tell people to do? >> as a viewer, new york city is the best to promote this. if you see something you have to support it. don't sit back and wait. if the outside community you have someone that is a lorne.

you have someone that is promoting this behavior report it. let the fbi the authorities come and look at it finally khorasan. is that a real thing? oo i don't give a damn about the names. >> i don't either. this is al qaeda. >> radical extremist beliefs they have this sick interpretation of the koran. there are 30 different names for them. i don't care what names they go by. i don't care what names. >> good to have you p on the show. >> now we know we are at risk from terror attacks we need to start playing defense. what can you do to protect yourself and your family from terror attacks.

joining me is former navy seal. how can we protect ourselves on our own soil? >> you sadie fence that pains me. oo wouldn't we are not all navy seals. >> it is all about the mind set. even getting through skills training is 90 percent mental 10 percent physical. the same thing for americans. >> okay. let's talk about what the ordinary doer does. you have to have a mind set you have to be prepared to be the winner. >> i break it down to three very straight forward steps. the first one is learn. you have to learn what to do. you don't want to be in a bad situation when you need skills you don't have. learn. look for areas how to defend

yourself how to prepare. then it is planned. have a plan of action so when you are in the heat of the moment you know what to do, where to go, what your safe areas are, what your children should be expected too do. you should also plan to have the equipment that you needed such as the go back that we can talk about. the last part is act having a straight forward plan of action to make sure you can avoid bad situations and get to areas. >> what's in my go back larry? >> six main parts. main concerns are water. you want to be able to not only store it but filter it. food, having immediate food. medical, having first aid equipment. transportation if you go to work with high heels you want nice shoes. equipment to be able to move then you are going to have to worry about comfort items we

break that into stuff for sleep, light lights, being able to have batteries and ability to power your phone or gps unit and the last part of it is defense. the most important defensive tool is a night tactical flashlight, a good light that allows you to be ablesee to see in the dark as well as r stun your attackers. and the last part would be a decent knife.ns b theut knife is a good tool to u not only in defensive knife l situations, but in offensive situations, a good, hard, emerson knife is perfect for being able to get out of bad hag situations. >> larry, thanks for sharing with us this evening.up no yproblem.my and coming up your responsea to my open last night on how america must prepare for an isis attack.@ vote in tonight's instant poll,a how are you preparing for a possible terrorist attack in

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>> last night in my opening statements i warned we are not ready for an mpgs here are some of your best responses. susan says, this president has never done his primary duty in protecting our country. he daily seeks to undermine and divide it to suit his own power goals. and of course she's referring to the first order of government which is the protection of its citizens. duane says you got guts, that is more than i could sigh about obama, we need leadership now. and dane says, judge jeanine, i

want to know what our country is doing to protect us? are our borders safe? are we just letting anybody enter our country? here's the plan, anybody can enter. >> why is it so hard for our country to do things the right way? looks like we're still hearing the blame game. >> and i know my family takes the threat of isis seriously, we are locked and loaded. ray, our shores and bores have already been penetrateded, every one of us needs to be vigilant in our homes and on our jobs. we americans must ban together to protect ourselves from the terror here on our soil. very true words. and now for the results of tonight's instant poll, we asked you how are you preparing for a possible terrorist attack in america. wendy says i am locked and load ed. let them in, if they can get past my guns.

felicia says i ordered a three-month supply of food storage, authored 1,000 rounds, now i just live as normally as i can. >> and becky says, by being overvigilant and being prepared to defend my home and my family if necessary. then leave the rest up to god. what was it a ruger? i have seen that ruger. cat says i'm stocking up on ammo, but i'm not going to let them change my routines and outlooks and you better buy them before homeland security and everybody else does. carol says target practicing and praying. kurt, we all need to have situational awareness. don't put yourself in a situation where you don't have an escape plan or the ability to defend ourselves. and jason says, if you're going to purchase a gun or two, can't depend on the current government to protect me. that's it for tonight.

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