tonight. ms. megyn warming up in the bullpen. i'm bill o'reilly. please always remember the spin stops here. we're definitely looking out for you. breaking tonight, it is the first case of a beheading on domestic soil by a man who appears to have become radicalized as an islamist. praising online the cause of jihad. so will it be a case of murder or terrorism in the name of jihad? welcome to "the kelly file" everyone. i'm megyn kelly. reports surfacing tonight citing law enforcement not yet independently confirmed by fox news that the suspect was fond of watching beheading videos online. and that is not all. this is "the kelly file" speaks to the suspect's neighbors about his changing appearance and our producer in moore, oklahoma, trying to get answers from the mosque he attended. more on all that in a moment. but first, 30-year-old alton

nolen recently took the name ja' him yisrael. the man's facebook page is as graphic as it is disturbing. trace gallagher reports from our west coast newsroom tonight. trace. >> megyn, "the washington post" is already reporting the fbi's calling this beheading a case of workplace violence and not terrorism. but we spoke to the fbi in oklahoma tonight. and they deny that. the oklahoma police also tell us they expect the d.a. to file first-degree murder charges tomorrow. and the question of any terrorism charges would solely come from the fbi. listen. >> that is the sole reason we brought them into the investigation is to look into this suspect's background. there are reasons for us to have them involved in the investigation. and those are the reasons is to determine whether this was a terrorist act or just a violent murder. >> the police also confirm they

have interviewed nolen and said he was cooperative, but they would not tell us what he said or even if he addressed the issue of islam. oklahoma police also couldn't confirm reports that alton nolen recently watched beheading videos. but the police like all of us are aware of the crime following a series of beheadings by isis fighters. and on his facebook page alton had a picture of someone with their head cut off and a quote that reads, i will instill terror in the hearts of the unbelievers." he also used his facebook page to celebrate the attacks of 9/11 by showing the twin towers burning, adding that america is evil and that "islam will dominate the world and we need more muslims for allah. jihad, jihad, jihad." we know he converted to islam in prison in 2013. and his neighbors tell "the kelly file" that he was clearly getting much more religious over the past year. listen. >> here he is in normal

clothing, but after a period of time i guess you would say it was more arab clothing, white skull cap thing. maybe figured he was very into it when he didn't really communicate at all, if you would say hello to him. but again, i didn't really judge the fact that he was muslim. i just knew he was by his beard, his outward appearance. >> and now it's up to the fbi to decide whether his extremist postings and shouting islamic rants while beheading a woman is the work of a lone wolf terrorist or a disgruntled employee. megyn. >> or both. trace, thank you. on the heels of this beheading story we are getting word of another arrest in oklahoma. this one involves a man accused of threatening a co-worker. according to police he told her he represents isis, that isis kills christians and that he planned to cut her head off. joining us now, a news anchor for station kwtv in oklahoma city. kelly, thank you very much for being with us tonight. >> you bet.

>> let's start with the first man tonight in custody for beheading a woman. he did this right after he had been fired, which is why they're saying workplace violence. but many are ignoring the connection to radical islam that is evidenced by his facebook page. you have spoken with witnesses who attest to what they heard him yelling prior to cutting off his co-workers head. what did they say? >> reporter: our photo journalist who was on the scene last thursday as this was unraveling says he overheard witnesses saying -- a couple of them saying, that nolen was shouting something in arabic. we asked the police department about that and the cleveland county d.a. about that, but neither one would confirm it. and they say that will not be included in the affidavit tomorrow. >> why not? >> we're not sure yet. i think maybe they're trying to corroborate it with other witnesses. but who knows. it could change over the next 12 hours. we'll see what it looks like in

the morning and continue to follow that. >> in the meantime i know you've spoken with the mother of this suspect, now known as jahk jahkim yisrael. what did she say? >> she posted on facebook that this is not the child she raised. that the child she raised was sweet, a good child, good kid and a very typical high school student from what others are saying. and that there are two sides to every story. i'm not exactly sure what she meant by that, but those are the comments she's making right now. she did this on camera for facebook next to her daughter, who also said this is not the brother she grew up with. >> now, in the meantime there's been this second arrest in oklahoma. and this is -- is there any connection between these two? because this man was arrested for threatening to behead another woman. >> yeah, this is awful timing, megyn. we don't really know if there's any connection. so far there hasn't been any connection mentioned. but this guy who worked at a local nursing home apparently

one weekend a couple of weeks ago had a conversation with another co-worker and noticed she was wearing a star of david necklace, asked her if she was jewish, said, no, i just wear the necklace. he said because i am muslim, i'm a member of isis. and as a part of isis we kill christians, jews and nonbelievers. and i'm going to kill you, behead you and post it on facebook. she thought he was joking, but she noticed he was very serious, had a very serious face. and then apparently according to the police report repeated this threat again before she left that night. and she said -- he asked her what time she got off and she said jokingly do you have a guillotine waiting for me? he said, no, i'm going to use blade. she kind of mulled that over. she didn't know much about isis, read about them and decided she better check in with police on this. she did. that was about two weeks ago. friday after this beheading they decided, police, that it would

be a good idea to arrest this guy. he's being held on $1 million bond right now. i talked to his wife, she's only speaking through his attorney. i did talk to another woman whose mother-in-law is at that nursing home and she knows this man. that he was the nurse for her mother-in-law and was shocked, said this guy was gentle and kind, never saw anything that would make her think he would do something like that. >> wow. >> apparently he's denying even being a muslim, megyn. >> i want to correct myself, our guest coming up in the next block is the mother of nolen interviewed. one man in oklahoma threatens a murder and is facing terror-related charges for the threat. the other one actually beheaded a woman on thursday and so far we're told that it is a case of workplace violence. why? judge napolitano is our fox news judicial analyst, senior, he joins us now. why the difference between the two charges?

>> i wish i knew why. i mean, the government does have a series of questions that it asks. and basically wants to examine the facts. so the first question is is this going to be a state prosecution or a federal prosecution? thus far the feds have not indicated a willingness to prosecute. but they typically take their time and examine the case with more clarity. so so far it's a state prosecution. and so far it is not for an act of terrorism. it is likely to be for capital murder, meaning murder where the government will ask for the death penalty in a state that does use the death penalty. >> okay. here's my question. the one guy threatens the co-worker and says i represent isis. that they charge as terrorism. but in the case of the man -- this man, yisrael, who actually beheaded a woman -- >> they don't. >> okay. they don't. the question is now whether you actually now have to show some affiliation with isis in order for it to be terrorism. because we're going to get to this with mic mccaul later. but this is what they've been warning about.

home-grown radicalization. >> yes. >> why is that not terror? st same if you are affiliated with terror. >> these are all great questions i would love to put to some official in the fbi after it examines all the facts in this case. why the oklahoma people have charged the one guy who just used words with an act of terrorism and the other guy who cut somebody's head off with a workplace murder. >> the feds are controlling -- >> awfully, awfully inconsistent. >> the feds are controlling at least the actual beheading case. is there some reluctance on the part of the federal government in your view to dub this what it appears to be at this point. as i said to trace, it could be both, workplace violence, obviously it happened in the workplace, obviously the trigger was him getting fired. but that doesn't mean we need to ignore all the radicalization evidence. >> there should not be reluctance on the part of the justice department, yet this justice department often seems more concerned with political correctness than it does with its affirmative legal obligation to keep americans safe. having said that, we don't know what the justice department knows. we know it typically -- the

federal justice department, typically takes more time to evaluate. there's no statute of limitations here. it typically takes more time to evaluate. but if there's a nexus, a connection between these two, or a connection between the ideology that stimulated them, the government has an obligation to tell us that. >> we've seen it twice now, judge. we saw the case of tevlin recently shot down, we talked about him, in his jeep by a man claiming to have done it in the name of radical islam and had connections to it. now we see this. we don't know what this man's full story is, but there's an awful lot -- if you look at his facebook page, there's ed of an actual beheading. it's too graphic to describe on tv. in addition to all the stuff trace told us about, twin towers burning, islam will dominate the world, on and on it went. pictures of bin laden. here's some of it. some is too graphic to put on television. twice now. >> right. >> not terrorism. >> in the new jersey case it's very problematic because the new jersey officials, tevlin victim,

the defendant cannot be exposed to the death penalty. if the feds stay out, there's no death penalty. >> but here they can. you commit first-degree murder in oklahoma. >> and you are convicted, you are more likely than not to be executed. >> maybe the feds are staying out because it's a simple murder case without adding the terrorism charge. >> i have to tell you this is the government's greatest fear that there are unconnected lone wolves out there. it has an obligation to pursue these people vigorously, fairly and within the framework of the constitution. but vigorously. >> we need to know what happened. we need to know what it is. we need to know honestly what was this. judge, thank you. >> hopefully we'll find out. >> yeah. as we mentioned at the top of the hour, "the kelly file" this weekend visited the mosque where this beheading suspect worshipped. we'll show you what happened next and wait until you hear who else attended that very same mosque. plus, new twist in the ugly fight that broke out in washington today over who is really to blame for the rise of the terror army known as isis. and then, a key moment on

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we have been following this developing situation in oklahoma. a beheading by a man who appears to have become radical iizedrad. "the kelly file" has reached out to cair. they don't want to talk about this one. not to us. so we sent our team to the mosque where this man worshipped. at first they said yes to an interview. but then they got a phone call and suddenly things changed dramatically. watch. >> it seems that we're getting the runaround. >> it's not a runaround.

we're not doing any interviews. we're not speaking to anyone. we're stopping all media interviews. we're stopping everything now. >> now, with respect, sir, you told me not ten minutes ago that i could speak to someone tomorrow morning. and that representative from cair just called me back and said no. >> yep. we're all saying no. everyone media wise will have to lee. if not i'll have to call the authorities. >> joining me now, brooke goldstein, human rights attorney and director of the law project. they don't want them talking to fox news because they don't like the way we're discussing the case. they would rather see the case discussed the way it's being discussed on some other networks. and i give you the following example. >> i would be remiss not to bring up the story out of oklahoma. it is a story that i read as a workplace violence story. >> we don't know whether there were religion in any of those

murders. but if someone were muslim, it's got to be a terrorist. >> and it went on from there. >> right. i think there's only one word to describe what the suffering from when it comes to the coverage of any types of acts where there's a possibility of religiously motivated violence. and that religion happens to be islam. it's islamophobe mania. you have people bending over backyards claiming she knows what the motive is even though this is an ongoing investigation with the fbi. and we are continuing to learn about the facts of this case. she knows what the motive is and has nothing to do with religion whatsoever. >> how does she know? none of us knows for sure. but i urge her to go to the suspect's facebook page, which no one, law enforcement sources have confirmed to our local contacts, is legit. the family's not contesting it. it's covered with jihadist propaganda including actual photos of beheadings. who does that? bin laden. you can read in his own words all of his progressive

radicalization which clearly took place over the past year or six months in particular, brooke. >> right. and that's this islamophobe mania is all about. if there are motivations to religiously motivated violence. if you look at the fact he posted on facebook a justification for beheading. if you look at the fact he was fired for telling his co-workers that he was going to kill women if they do not conform to his version of islam. there is nothing racist about asking what motivated this crime and how he could prevent these similar types of crimes from happening in the future. >> how are we ever going to get anywhere if the fbi, the president, everyone talks about how not justice isis or al qae those who home radicalize, some

have connections and some have none and those are the hardest to snuff out because they're not communicating online with some central al qaeda operative. so they do it themselves on their computer. if we can't discuss that opening when we see it actually happening as a very real possibility in this case, where are we? how do we prevent the threat? >> well, that's the whole point is that those who cry islamophobia do not want us to present the threat. they saw that with ft. hood when the congressional report came out saying the fbi had sufficient information necessary to have detected major nadal hassan's radicalization but prevented from acting on it because of the fbi's own policy to deny any link between radicalization to a violent form of islam and islamist terrorism. we saw the same thing in boston where police failed to investigate the islamic society of boston even though counterterrorism experts were warning of radicalization happening in the mosque. they were warning of saudi funds going to fund the mosque.

and yet everyone who warned about this was called an islamophobe for warning that al qaeda was recruiting within our borders and flying americans overseas to train as jihadists. and it's all coming home to roost. >> which is fact. we now know is fact. >> exactly. >> it's really dus tuisturb thas piece of the story is so underreported. it's relevant to our safety and what we're in store for depending what the future holds. it looks disturbing at the moment, brooke. thank you. we'll find out as early as tomorrow whether there's any sort of terrorism charge connected with this case chlgt right now we're hearing it's going to be a straight murder charge. so what about the worry over lone wolves? house meland security chairman mike mccaul is here next with what they know. plus, we're getting reports that the terror army known as isis could be two miles or less from the outskirts of baghdad. that's not good.

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we are learning new details tonight about the suspect in the oklahoma case along with more information about who alton nolen is and where he came from. some of that information coming from his mother. listen. >> my son was raised in a loving home. my son was raised up believing in god. that's what he believes in. >> bob price is a texas news contributor covering this story from the beginning. and he spoke with the suspect's mother last night. bob, what'd she tell you? >> megyn, she was very devastated on the phone. it was very quiet conversation.

i asked questions and she immediately went to her lawyer telling her that she couldn't talk about the issue. but she didn't want to get off the phone. i picked up a sense of very deep depression on her side. she was very concerned about it. but in her video today she talked about that this wasn't the son she raised. but it's interesting to note that the son she raised actually went to prison for beating an oklahoma state trooper before he converted to islam. so it's not -- he's not the innocent little boy she's trying to portray. >> just in case the viewers know, we have a sound bite from that trooper who talked to a local affiliate just on friday about what happened to her when he attacked her during the course of their arrest. do we have that? let's watch. >> one minute we're talking and the next he's assaulting me. i had one handcuff on his right wrist and he hit me in the chest, pushed me back. and then yanked the handcuff out of my hand. but one minute we're talking and the next he's assaulting me.

it happened very quickly. >> would you have done anything differently? >> i wish i would have taken my pistol out of my holster as i came around behind the patrol car as opposed to the handcuffs. i wish i'd done that. because he was a felon. i should have done a felony arrest on him right there as opposed to giving him any leeway, talking to him at all. he tried to bargain with me not to go to jail. >> but he did go to jail. and that is where it is believed he began to radicalize. he then came back and started going to the same mosque. tell us who else went there? >> well, megyn, he went to the same mosque as the 20th hijacker from 9/11. i spoke with sad mohamed with cair actually at the islamic center of oklahoma and he confirmed the -- there wasn't a direct connection between the two people, but confirmed both of those terrorists went to the same mosque. >> mousali. >> that's correct. >> last question, this guy was driving around a $50,000

vehicle. anybody know where he got that kind of money to buy that kind of car? >> we learned later in the day today just recently that the vehicle was an older vehicle. he actually did not even buy the vehicle. his friend, a co-worker at the plant, bought the vehicle for him because he didn't have a driver's license. in oklahoma you have to have a driver's license. but the police have released that vehicle now to the company that sold it to him. >> okay. >> and they have impounded -- or let that vehicle go. >> bob, thank you. >> you bet. joining me now, chairman of the homeland security committee, mike mccaul. chairman, when we're talking about this self-radicalization and home grown lone wolf terror, will it look something different than this looks? >> this is exactly the profile that has us concerned both as homeland security officials and the intelligence community. fbi director testified before my committee, look, we're combatting isis overseas and the foreign fighters pose a great threat to the homeland.

but this is one that has largely been sort of ignored by the administration and that is the idea that someone can radicalize within the united states without even having to travel. and that's certainly what we saw with the oklahoma suspect. it's certainly what we saw with major hassan at ft. hood. and it is disturbing to me this narrative that all these seem to be workplace violence incidents when i think the american people see it for what it is. and that's a radical islamist extremist act of terror. >> and they want us to believe that the man was posting pictures of brutal beheadings right next to jihadist propaganda and that it was a pure coincidence that that is how he chose to murder a co-worker when he was angry about being fired. people are not stupid. >> well, you know, you look at his website postings filled with radical jihadist postings. one talks about why jihadists do what they do that came from sort

of an isis website posting. it's clear there's a lot out there we don't know. the fbi's doing a full investigation. and, you know, but it's very clear to me at this point in time that he was a radicalized islamist that did the same tactics we're seeing overseas. we don't want to see more of this in the united states. >> we don't. so here's the question because these people get self-radicalized in large part via what they see online. this is a country with a bill of rights, first amendment free speech. do we curtail that in the case of jihadist propaganda online? >> we still have a constitution. i think we have to respect that. but can we do a better job? can this administration do a better job countering violent extremism? yes. i intend to connect to oversight. we know the fbi is monitoring public websites for this type of information. but there's no real plan or

strategy i think that's effective enough at this point in time to counter this threat. we could see a whole new wave of terror within the united states with just these radicalized individuals that are already here not have to wait for them to come back from syria. >> in the same way they can track people who view child pornography. there's got to be a way to track people who venture into the darkest corners of the internet with, you know, jihadist ideology although you're walking a very fine line there. mr. chairman, thank you, sir. >> thanks, megyn. >> now, as we hear reports that the terror army known as isis could be just two miles from baghdad or less, we will look at who the president is now blaming for their advance next. plus, a key group of voters gives us an early report card on the 2016 presidential field. tony perkins is here with the tony perkins is here with the there was no question she was the one.

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known as isis has now advanced to just two miles outside of the city of baghdad, an ugly new controversy is erupting in washington over who's to blame for not responding early enough to this threat. "60 minutes" this weekend asked president obama how that group was able to gain so much ground so quickly in both syria and iraq. as we hear reports that this group, again, is advancing at this moment. fears they could carry out a massacre in syria if they make more progress. the commander in chief then pointed directly at his national director of intelligence, james clapper, for underestimating the threats. since that moment the intelligence community and several members of congress have pushed back hard on the white house. here is the sound bite that started it all. >> how did they end up where they are in control of so much territory? was that a complete surprise to you? >> well, i think our head of the intelligence community, jim clapper, has acknowledged that i

think they underestimated what had been taking place in syria. >> he didn't just say that we underestimated isil. you said we overestimated the ability and the will of our allies, the iraqi army, to fight. >> that's true. that's absolutely true. >> chief intelligence correspondent catherine hern wa. catherine. >> megyn, military intelligence official tells fox news that the administration had options on the table to target senior leadership of the khorasan group, which is part of al qaeda in syria and isis in iraq in the 18 months leading up to this month's strikes. the official said the threat from isis and khorasan was well-documented in the president's daily brief for over a year. mr. obama often reads the highly classified intelligence assessment, as you see there on his ipad rather than getting it from a cia briefer in person. the intelligence community pushed hard to identify the leadership of these groups for a targeted air strike because there was real urgency to "slow

these guys down." these options were presented to the president's team and the military intelligence official said every option was denied. adding it seemed like a repeat of the 2012 benghazi attack. the administration was in denial about the threat and the facts on the ground. separately, the intelligence community as well as the defense department are aware of an al qaeda twitter user reporting that a senior leader within the khorasan group is dead. they're waiting for additional intelligence to corroborate that claim. there's real concern that khorasan and its sympathizers will put out disinformation. >> catherine herridge, thank you. joining me more marc thiessen, american enterprise institute fellow. the president, notwithstanding that report, says the intelligence community, they were the ones who underestimated the isis threat. >> president obama never, never takes responsibility for anything. if he had said in that interview, you know, steve, i

underestimated the threat. i'm the commander in chief, the responsibility's mine. but now we have a strategy to deal with it. i think people would have listened to that and taken that seriously. but it's always blaming the intelligence community when it's flat untrue they didn't brief him. catherine just reported it was in his presidential daily brief. for months and months he had military options on the table. let's assume he didn't even pay any attention to that. on june 9th isis took over the city of mosul, the second largest city in iraq. on september 4th president obama said we still don't have a strategy to deal with them. how is that the intelligence community's fault? at that point he didn't need an intelligence briefing. he just needed to look at fox news. it was all on television. >> and last january when they took fallujah. that's when he was calling them jayvee. how did they take fallujah? >> exactly. i mean, this is happening -- all of these things were happening while he was out giving speeches saying the tide of war is turning and we can focus on nation building here at home. and we're moving to the point

where we're not going to have our foreign policy driven by what's happened in iraq and afghanistan. >> let me ask you this, it's not just the president saying it was the intel community's fault. it's the dni, director of national intelligence james clapper who in an interview with david ignatius with "the washington post" said last week, yep, we underestimated isil and overestimated the strength of the troops in iraq. >> well, i'm sure there was some underestimation of it. clearly if they were caught by surprise. but look, the underestimation happened a long time before they took over fallujah. and it happened a long time before they took over mosul. >> is he covering for the president? because we all remember james clapper with the not wittingly and there's a question about whether his own job is on the line here. >> yeah, well, certainly looked like the president threw him under the bus. it's not just james clapper, it's the entire intelligence community. these are the people working day and night trying to keep us safe. >> some speaking to catherine herridge saying a different story.

>> he stirred up the hornet's nest because those are going to start leaking now and telling people what they told him. what it really comes down to is, megyn, he didn't want to listen. he set a goal as president that he was going to be the president who before he left office pulled every last american out of iraq and afghanistan. that was his -- that was the legacy that he planned to cement. and so when he was hearing from the intelligence community that there's a new danger forming in iraq and syria, he didn't want to hear that. so he put his head in the sand instead of dealing with it. because he didn't deal with it we now have the situation we're back at war in iraq and syria. >> and with the lowest approval ratings on foreign policy in his entire presidency when it comes to handling terrorism. he's not pointing at himself but at others around him. marc, i got to go. >> thanks, megyn. here with a democratic strategist and ceo of clifton consulting llc. marge ree, catherine's reporting not only did he know, he had military options for 18 months.

it's all been well documented in his presidential daily brief. he was not only being presented with the options, he was denying those options. how can he now say he didn't know? >> well, you have to look at the terror threat globally. this is not just an american failure, this is a global failure. >> what? >> look what just happened in oklahoma? there are threats all over the world. there has to be a judgment call of what's a real and imminent threat. >> the intel analysts were saying you need to strike them. >> well, look, there are different opinions that come all the time about what do we do now. and right now if you look at cbs and "new york times" polling eight out of ten americans are opposed and concerned about additional american involvement in places like syria and iraq. i think there's a healthy balance we're trying to figure out of where do we get involved and where we don't. >> you are shifting to what we're going to do now. i'm talking about -- >> well -- >> wouldn't it be nice if he would say the buck stops with me? i failed. i failed. i'm the commander in chief and i

failed them. >> well, and i think he has acknowledged this is a failure. >> of clapper. >> well, but clapper is the spokesperson for the intelligence community. and i think -- >> oh, come on. he's the president. we didn't elect clapper. we elected him. and he campaigned on keeping us safe and how much safer we are. now we find out we are not safer. >> right now what's happening is a response that has actually large bipartisan support of how do we deal with the problem. no one can estimate the fact there is this growth in anti-syria and antisetment. there were a lot of things that converged at one time that created a global crisis. again thrks is a global failure. and it will be largely pointed at obama, you know, for better or for worse. that isn't necessarily something he could have done anything about. >> we didn't elect the globe. we elected the president. so we can't hold the rest accountable. good to see you. >> nice to see you. just ahead, a key moment on

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an annual tradition unfolded on saturday giving us an early

glimpse at how some key voters feel about some of the possible presidential candidates. first, a few of those candidates. >> in 39 days i believe we're going to retake the united states senate and we are going to retire harry reid as majority leader. >> you see, the president's concern about religious liberty. and if you like your religious liberty, you can keep your religious liberty. >> as your representative, i swear on oath to defend the republic against enemies foreign and domestic. now that i've been to washington and i've seen the belly of the beast, i can tell you that i've met the enemy. and the enemy is too often right here in this town. >> joining us now, tony perkins, president of the family research council. his group sponsored the annual conference. tony, good to see you. so senator ted cruz was the big winner this year. i'll tell you right now what a

lot of the left leaning and more independent viewers are thinking. ted cruz? how could he win with anybody in a general electorate who isn't a registered republican? >> you look at what we had in the last two election cycles where we've had moderate republicans and they can't win in a general election because they cannot motivate the base to turn out and vote. we had ted cruz, we had ben carson coming in second, mike huckabee in third and rick santorum in fourth. there's a common denominator among those that the value voters are attracted to. megyn, i think people are tired of the same old political -- politically correct song and dance. >> but ted cruz, he'll be vilified by the left wing media. they've already done it. most people think ted cruz walks around with three heads on his neck because of what's been done to him by many in the left wing press. >> but what he does is he reaches to those who have not

been voting. and, yes, the left is going to attack anybody who's conservative. and that's what people are tired of. they're tired of the bullying that the left is doing. they're looking for someone who will stand up and say, hey, look, this is not right. we are first amendments at risk. look at what you've been talking about tonight. america is at risk here security wise because of this politically correct cloud that's descended upon our nation. we can't even see clearly. people are looking for a leader who will just speak the truth. >> it's not like the left loves george w. bush all that much either. let me ask you this, rands paul didn't even make the list. could rand paul win with conservative voters? >> i give rand paul this credit. he came, we invited him, he came, he spoke. he tried to appeal to the social conservatives, more libertarian. he obviously connects with the libertarian branch of the conservative voters. he's trying. he's got a long ways to go in order to, i think, really

connect with social conservatives. but he's trying, at least he put forth an effort. >> and ben carson, were you impressed by him? >> well, actually, it was interesting ben carson didn't come this year. he was there last year. but again, the common denominator, ben carson is one of those guy who is actually fights the pc police. he's been speaking across the nation. he's been at some of our events. and really the core of his speech is against the p.c. police that want to silence conservatives. >> it's amazing. he came in second. >> there is a movement -- >> he came in second, ben carson did. >> he did. he came in second even though he didn't speak. but his reputation of being one who speaks very straightforward is something people are looking for. >> tony perkins, thanks for being here, sir. >> thank you, megyn. a dramatic twist tonight in the disappearance of the university of virginia student hannah graham. the breaking news on that next. when folks think about what they get from alaska,

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break news tonight o breaking news tonight on that intruder incident at the white house last week. we are now learning that the man you see in this video jumping the white house fence with a knife got a lot farther inside than we were led to believe. is secret service intentionally misled on its report in order to downplay how bad it was. with a source describing this as a "catastrophic failure" by the secret service. all the time the president, thankfully, was not in the white house. the suspect was able to access the east room where the president holds news conferences and events and was able to enter another formal room before he was stopped. we're going to keep you posted on the latest developments as we

learn more. we also have new details on the case of university of virginia student hannah graham who went missing two weeks ago. trace gallagher brings us up to speed. trace. >> megyn, it appears the dots are being connected in 2005 a fairfax, virginia woman was walking home from a grocery store when she was abducted and raped. she escaped and police were able to recover a suspect's dna. when morgan herrington was killed in 2009, her remains were found on a farm. the suspect's dna from her murder matched the suspect in the 2005 rape case. morgan herrington's mother says the man who killed her daughter is the same man who raped the woman in 2005. now, police were able to put out this sketch of the attacker, but an arrest was never made. experts say that's likely because they didn't have a physical suspect to try to match the dna from the two crimes. then hannah graham disappeared. and video surveillance tape and eyewitness accounts linked jesse matthew as being near hannah graham around the time she went missing.

matthew's apartment was searched but he fled virginia and was later arrested near galveston, texas. now, police say they have forensically linked him to the 2009 murder of morgan herrington. here's morgan herrington's mom. listen. >> they've got plenty of time to sort it out. and make sure that this is indeed the person who killed morgan harrington and who is responsible for the disappearance of hannah graham, which is really paramount. >> meantime, the search for hannah has expanded but turned up nothing. and there's no word if the suspect, jesse matthew, is talking with police. we should note at least two other young women of roughly the same age have also disappeared from this area in recent years. never found, megyn, no dna to compare in those cases. >> all right, trace. thank you. coming up next, people sometimes complain that i never show pictures of my kids. i'm making an exception tonight next. and coming up on "hannity" at the top of the hour, you have got to see this.

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so tonight before the show i caused my team some heartburn when at 7:00 p.m. instead of reading in my office like i normally do, i left the building.

and i went to the upper west side to barnes & noble. why? because my husband was doing a book signing there of his new book "the means," a political thriller about the presidential race and the lawyer-turned journalist covering it. not only did doug educate the audience on his book, but our kids educated us on why you should never, ever share your scenes with children. they are sure to steal the show. you can't really see their faces, but you can get a feel for their personality and what they chose to do during their father's book signing. we found it amusing, but there was a lady in the green coat at the end who didn't seem nearly as amused as we were. thanks for watching everybody. go to facebook.com/thekellyfile. give us feedback on the show. we'll see you tomorrow at 9:00. live from america's news headquarters, i'm kelly wright. disturbing news about omar gonzalez. "the new york times" and the "washington post" both citing

multiple sources that he made it further into the president's residence than the secret service has publiclied ay ediei admitted to. he was tackled 168 feet away from where he entered the white house. gonzalez entered no plea at his only court appearance. the fighting near the syrian city kobani picking up with isis troops moving further into the region. they intensified the shelling of each other. control of kobani is central to isis strategy for control of the region. meantime, the u.s. led coalition launching eight more air strikes targeting isis positions in northern and eastern iraq. i'm kelly wright. coming up next, "hannity." welcome to "hannity." this is a fox news alert, tonight, radical muslim cleric anjem choudray joins us. a "hannity" exclusive, his first u.s. interview after being arrested in london on suspicion of supporting