cities around the united states. it could happen in new york where we have a very large liberian community in queens and staten island and brooklyn. >> it just gets curiouser and curiouser. a lot more at 8:00 on fbn. this is a fox news alert, this is breaking news tonight in washington. the head of the secret service has resigned after a series of recent security lapses including the breach at the white house where a fence jumper was able to make it all the way to the east room. details now from chief white house correspondent ed henry at the white house. ed? >> good to see you, kimberly, this is pretty dramatic, because as of this morning, josh ernest was on television saying the president still had full confidence in julia pierson, the secretly service director, shocking because a series of democrats, like elijah cummings a democrat on the panel that had investigated this whole mess had come out and said they lost

confidence or suggested she needed to go. chuck schumer, the democrat from new york was coming out later this afternoon saying she needed to resign. i pressed josh ernest a few moments ago what took them so long, what changed in the last few hours. they said that julia pierson stepped up and offered her resignation. i pressed him and said why did they not fire her after these breaches? he just said basically they did not know about that incident in that atlanta elevator at the cdc where a security guard who had a gun and a criminal record, the secret service was not aware of, got inches from the president. the president was left out of the loop that his safety had been in jeopardy again, just a couple of weeks ago. i'm also told one last bit of color, that when julia pierson wernlt up to the -- to offer his resignation, he not only immediately accepted it, but said it would be effective immediately. they're not even going to give her time for a transition, they

realize they have got to turn the page on this fast. now to the ebola scare, earlier we got an update on the condition of the patient in a dallas hospital. >> we're categorizing his condition as serious but stable. we also heard from rick perry on some children who came in contact with the ebola patient. >> we also learned that some school age children were identified as having some contact with the patient and are now being monitored at home for any signs of the disease. i know the parents are being extremely concerned about that development. but let me assure these children have been identified and they are being monitored. >> and cdc director tom freeden -- >> what about the people who were in the emergency room when

he first came in and said i don't feel good and they said take some antibiotics and go home. those people are being monitored too, right. >> we have a nine-person team working in dallas with the hospital, with the health department and the family to identify every possible contact and we'll be monitoring every one of those individuals for 21 days, that's the tried and true process of stopping an ebola outbreak. >> you have questions? here to explain to us what this outbreak means is fox medical correspondent dr. siegel. of course there is some genuine concern about the spread of this and how it's transmitted. how concerned should we be? >> whenever there's a new outbreak, there's a new disease, everyone personalizes it, there's a lot of hysteria, everyone covers it, but we have to cover it responsibly. the skichbs here is that this is

an extremely difficult virus to get. and duncan this patient got it because he was helping a dying pregnant woman into a cab and came into very closing contact with her bodily secretions, that's how you get it. here in the united states, the cdc has nine top officials on the ground, an epidemic intelligence officers, five of them, three senior public health officials that know how to track the diseases. like sherlock homes. they're going to figure out what these emergency room contacts. some family member was there, an er person, they're already thinking ahead, these people are all going to get sick. they're not, this is not going to be a sustained outbreak because the science of the virus -- where they get very close to skik people and they're afraid of health care, that's

why it's spreading there at a rate of two people getting sick for everyone that has it. here it would never be two people getting sick for every one that has it so it cannot be a sustained outbreak. it cannot where an epidemic here and we have got to watch all these scare terms that we use. >> for example? >> outbreak, how about outbreak. remember the movie outbreak? the outbreak was ebola, actually. so one patient an outbreak doesn't make. you use words like epidemic, i think we have to focus on the difference between what's happening in west africa and what's happening here. >> we were talking about the issue of containment, being able to understand the contacts and being able to quarantine someone who has it, and if someone passes away, make sure you don't further spread the disease. but people can still where concerned if they get it themselves, something horrible could happen. >> i want people out there to

know that it's extremely unlikely that it will spread beyond this hospital and one or two more cases. there's going to be more cases hire, i think, but we'll isolate those. it's not going to happen the same way. >> so, doc, i know everyone calls me the alarmist here, but, again, abundance of caution, there are 13,500 or so u.s. -- people with u.s. passports in these three countries, sierra leone and the other two, where the outbreak is substantial. 13,000 potential people coming over here, as we now know that they don't show symptoms at the airport, not on the airplane maybe even after they arrive here after a few days. to say it's not going to spread anymore, that's optimistic. our own president said a couple of weeks ago that we'll be working with airports and governments to make sure it

doesn't spread. >> so it doesn't get -- so someone doesn't get on an airplane and get into the u.s. and it happened yet. >> let me tell you something about those asymptomatic people on the airplanes. there was a study done with tuberculosis, people with ablg tiff tube berk low skis did not spread tb on the plane. if you breathe the air, you're going to -- >> there could be thousands of people that could fly in from these countries that are heavily infected and bring it here and have it spread here. >> eric, i'm going to surprise you, let me make a case for something, if the numbers get high enough, i wouldn't be opposed to cutting off plane freights to those countries. but the numbers is one right now. >> what is the minimum contact you would have to have to get

ebola, in other words someone would have to spit at you? >> spitting is not the easiest way to get it. it's literally blood, vomit. you're not going to get it by touching someone or kissing somebody, it's much deeper than that. it's much more contact with actual secretions. >> so it's very, very hard to get and if i kiss somebody i'm not going to get it. >> well, you might, but most people won't. seriously. >> if somebody has an immune deficiency, but we also heard about somebody who might have been exposed. >> it depends on how much virus you get. you get a prolonged exposure, you get a -- >> the interesting thing about ebowl l.a. is that when it's asymptomatic, it's not contagious, but when you're symptomatic, you're so sick

you're not going to be out in the public. like this pregnant woman where this man heroically saved and this man is paying the price. when you're really, really stricken with this disease, you can't get out to spread, so you almost quarantine united states. it went from rural to urban, which was a first, after four decades, this is the first time this happened. that's why it's spreading. number two, they have superstitious health practices washing corporati in ing corpse do. but when you fear and panic, you do not wash yourself, you do not think clearly, and that's the most important point, correct? is that which don't force people to think in a panic mode. >> i wrote about this in my book, the plague spread because people panicked achnd they trie

to get out of the quarantines where people were exposed. in this case i think the military is playing a positive role, they're going to build hospitals and places for people to go, i think our sending the military over there is positive, but we need a worldwide effort here and a lot of money to c contain this in africa. we have a worldwide health problem. >> dana, so nigeria, which is a relatively more wealthy nation than liberia and sierra leone, but they're reporting that it is contained within anigeria, so what needs to happen in siberia and sierra leone, i went to sierra leone, there's barely a light switch in the place. if you had a magic wand, what would you do to help contain it and eradicate it. >> first the magic wand would be

more than 17 of those centers. there needs to be hundreds of those centers. we're sending 50 workers from to the cdc over there but we need a lot more workers to educate. and the people have to be educatab educatable. they have to understand that this thing can be scrolled by modern medicine, but their culture tells them different. here comes the modern medicine man. and that's something that won't go away overnight. >> there's another role to be played a beyond the troops and it is one that we talked about with isis as well, and that is propaganda from the united states. i know that the medicine men in a lot of those places scare their own people. i'm thinking why -- we should be talking to the medicine men and plant little seeds of ideas. >> it's like they did with aids. >> but we know that they can --

for example w fistula problems, and in sierra leone, they have been able to talk to their tribal leaders and convince them that their women could actually be sick so they bring them to the hospital. a woman from scotland, she was able to do that in sierra leone. >> the nih is getting a great response to one vaccine. it will be a big challenge to try to get it distributed over there. it could be a game changer if enough people take it. >> we heard governor perry say that a number of children had come in contact with the ebola patient. what would you tell their parents if they were listening here tonight? >> thigh have to be watched closely for 21 days because ebola can start to make you sick within 21 days, but usually it's about a week. and they have to watch for fever and flu symptoms. the initial symptoms are flu like, luckily it's not flu season right now. if you were in west africa, if

you came in on a plane and you went to liberia, you've got fever, i need to isolate you. >> we need to focus on the travel history. >> they want us to go, so quickly, if he did present himself in a hospital on september 26, not until september 30 was he diagnosed with ebola, where was the breakdown for four days that this guy had the ability to infeblgt other people? >> i also agree that the health care workers that initially came in contact with him have to be closely watched because those are the guys who come in contact with these secretions, they didn't ask the basic question, where did you travel from? >> but we have known about this for several months, in fact there was an article by two doctors and mike gersten has written several pieces about how the white house, the administration was slow to act.

>> absolutely. >> but we have known about this for like a year, and we had the president at the cdc three weeks ago. how is it that a hospital is still not informed about the proper procedures? i mean you might not know the answer to that. >> i'll answer it this way, every doctor has an obligation to know this. it's basic medical history. it's not about listening to the about or the media, but it's part of knowing how to be a doctor. >> one more question, bob. >> i was going to say, people in that emergency room, though, that have been follow and so far no symptoms. you can go treat somebody in an emergency room, as long as you have gloves, unless you come in contact with food, you're all right rlgts right?

>> unless you come in contact with secretions. if you see a guy across the room, were you wearing gloves? and even if you took blood from him, you're not going to get sick. you have to come in direct contact with secretions. i wouldn't be surprised if there was another case out of this, but it is not going to spread. >> abundance of caution. i remember when everyone said all these hospitals that were making contingency plans were being ridiculous. >> they should. >> they should. >> it was a pleasure thank you for coming on here and informing us about this. and it's also patient responsibility, think about where you traveled as well. terrorism charges are being investigated. we'll have the details next. dentures are very different to real teeth.

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alton nolen, aka zackim israel. he beheaded a woman while yelling arabic phrases. why are -- nolen was ordered as held without bond and even asked his job for his court appointed attorney to be muslim? can he do that? >> he can do whatever he wants, what it's going to be granted is a whole other story. what's his justification for saying he needs to have muslim representation, he's just being honest, this is who he is, this is what he believes in, this is his ideology, this is his religion. >> the doj to their credit, they actually mentioned terrorism in one of their statements today. they're going to wait and see but they're not sure yet.

what's the holdup? >> i think there's a lot of pieces of ed that are missing and we found that they they were 2345k9 not terminated, but they were suspended for a while. i think the idea of asking for a muslim attorney makes it wide open for him to be hit from every direction on this. there's plenty of mounting evidence that the guy is certainly an islamic fundamentalist, to describe as a terrorist, i don't know what the official legal term terrorism means, so until i do, until i have more facts, i just have to go along with what the fbi is doing. >> let's put it this way, if the fbi knows one opinion now, does the doj know the government for, who do we subscribe to? who do we listen to? >> i don't know who will end up having jurisdiction over it. but they will work it out. the penalty is the same, he will

be open to the death penalty. this is not an incident within the ncis, within a show everything is wrapped up and we understand everything. so i think they are being prudent. it's true that we're giving too much attention to this -- every time they close their eyes, they are going to relive a nightmare for the rest of their lives and th they deserve our support and they deserve swift justice and they are being supported by the authorities in oklahoma, but they need to know that we will not turn a blind eye to it. that we as a country are concerned, by we have to trust the authorities. >> i'm not sure we have enough time to do it. but is it time to profile? >> i always feel that profiling is just basically assessing facts. but the idea of calling this workplace violence is an issue, because where ---why does it

matter where violence occurs? if you get shot at a carnival, should that be called fairground violence. if you're shot in the words, should that be camp fire violence, no, it's violence. in this case it terror because he wants you to believe that it's terror, so why don't we take him at his word. i want to bring up a really good point. the white house fence jumper is continually being linked to his military service. but the beheader, the mi-- it'sn insane crime to link to the military, not so much with islam, why is that? >> bob, why is that? that's a great point. if the guy yells ought islamic phrasings, he's got osama bin laden all over his facebook page, what do you conclude? >> it would make me more

convinced about this is imtd li i would like to see the communication that he had or may have had with arab terrorists. >> why can't he be a lone wolf? why can't he be a homegrown terrorist? >> i would just like to know if he did, that's all. >> i'm sorry, he did worship at a mosque that has been linked to -- >> the one thing it might show is that if he is in contact with somebody, if that somebody ask inciting others to do similar things. >> absolutely to prevent the next one, if someone else has been similarly radicalized that he made contact with and has somehow been- >> by being more aggressive, additional resources? maps. but the point is, i think they

are putting a tremendous amount of time to gather the investigation. >> am i wrong, if he's a terrorist, he zrudoesn't have a right to a speedy trial? >> we're already going down the state path, and regardless they should make the correct -- >> there could be people in oklahoma that would prefer to keep this at a state jurisdiction rather than for it to go to the fbi. >> if there were a member of the kkk who brutally murdered a black man. i don't know if it would be called workplace violence, or if it would be called a hate crime or an act of terrorism. >> this is from the family, before we go on, let's not forget about the victim of -- lose ugh or mom, wife and grandmother has been one of the most difficult challenges any of us have faced in our lives, for her life to have been taken by such a tragic act of violence.

we want to than our family and friends who have come forward during this time with messages of hope and prayer. jahmahl gets invited to give a commence mmpbment address at colleges. what does the victim's wife think about that?

hurrah, cold blooded cop killer has been picked as commencement speaker at vermont's godard college. if you never heard of this college, here's why. behold one of the minds behind this choice, sacrificing morality before the alter of cool, using dialogues to mock the dead. >> our graduating students decided that they wanted him to be the commencement speaker.

that is our policy as a college that advocates for complicated dialogue around complex issues. >> what dialogue ask there going to be? who's going to represent maureen's side? >> the graduating students think that he has a unique perspective and speaks to issues that are important to them, that speaks to a world where we are ferguson and police brutality where these issues are real in their lives. >> i think the technical term for that is hooey. you just became a heinous cheerleader. like maureen faulkner the widow of the cop that he killed in 2001. >> my husband was in a community college, he was getting ready to graduate with his degree and put a bullet in between his eyes. does anybody talking about that?

no. >> now for those who -- would they have cast their vote in front of maureen? of course not, they're cowards. yale is welcoming an islamic cleric, weeks after students there protested the invite of the -- campuses embrace bombers like bill ayers, cop killers and massageous -- forget quarantining ebola, wquarantine yale and godard. >> the killer's remarks are prerecorded an they'll be played alongside a video short for the commencement. do you think any students there

will have the guts to heckle? >> no, they will have the distan of their -- revered this horrifying disgusting human being that is nothing more than a murder. he has no value whatsoever on the plan. . it's so disrespectful. it saddens me that this is where education and students are going. and this isn't the first time he's done it by the way, he's given commencement before. >> yeah, exactly. if your son was ata cult, what would you do? president bob cane says our garage, quote, express the freedom to engage -- these are the guys that chose him for the commen commencement speech there. a nationally syndicated radio show from prison? do i understand that? how does that work? who advertises on his radio

show? how is it allowed is right, david. >> absolutely, because he's cool, he's edgy, he's a revolutionary. so what if he killed a cop, he's a revolutionary, it's politically derived, right, bob. >> 24 college is a low residential model students only go for eight days and then they study independently and eat with s going very well. >> yeah, it certainly has. >> first of all, just so we don't leave the impression that every university and every college in america has cop killers and bombers and radicalists, i think there's a very small percentage that do. i think this guy graduated from this school. and has given other commencement addresses in washington. >> antioch colleges and evergreen state college in washington. >> the only thing i can say is that if this is the rules of

their college and the students vote to do this, what do you say? you can't have free speech? i understand, what do you say to the widow, and all the rest of the horrible things, but if these are the rules and they voted that way, how can they change it. >> i think megan did a great job of revealing this bloolognbolog >> if you would imagine the grajs watts want to be inspired so they can go on to do great things, do they aspire to end up in jail with a nationally sichbd indicated radio program, apparently? >> he would haven't the radio show if he hadn't killed the cop. >> who is teaching current events at godard college. there are so many -- making this an issue of importance in their lives. invite the director and the creator of oranges is the new black. that's talking about prison reform.

and concerns. rand paul and cory booker, they have legislation for prison reforming. that would be bold, why don't you invite somebody like that? >> it's not cool enough. >> very quickly, so the fcc is cool within him spewing this rhetoric ever single night on the radio. but they don't want -- >> the campus priorities are now reflected in moral chaos, that they would actually reject a woman who was a victim of rjtsz practices but had the people who actually practice them. >> some, i will say some. i will say some. can i read this one thing from this -- it's what the statement from the college interim president bob kenny, this is what he had to say. choosing mumia as their commencement speaker to me shows how this newest group of godard graduates have the freedom to

engage and think radically and kriltically in a -- who is stopping them? you're stopping the widow from talking? >> it's terrible. how about refreshing and inviting the widow to come and talk. coming up, the secret service director is officially out. moments ago, julia pierson resigned after a series of security breaches. we'll bring you the reaction from the white house when we come back.

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>> public secret service. these are individual who is are highly trained, highly skilled professionals who wake up every morning prepared to put their lives on the line to protect the first family and to protect the white house. >> kimberly, i think that the white house has shown amazing restraint in not commenting on this issue and reporting to secret service, they rely on them for their security. so i think i have admired that, but i do think it's interesting that this morning they were expressing confidence in julia pierson, the woman who resigned from the secret service. do you think it became so overwhelming that it was so inexcusable and so unacceptable that she was basically fired today? >> the uns have it. really unbelievable. this is the best our country can do to protect the first family? yes. kudos to michelle obama, because she's being quite restrained, if

my family was in a position like that on multiple occasions and even situations with held that they weren't made aware of, it's very disturbing to me. this is one situation where i actually wish we didn't have transparency, i'm so horrified to know that this was a fact that that everybody else out there does. >> i guess that was a question or whether or not they were trying to protect to the security by not releasing the information, but lying to the american public, bob, that's going step too far. >> you and i both worked in the white house and the first thing that amazes me, is that this guy could have gotten into the east room. you have to go through at least five or six secret service agents to get there. when i worked there, even with my badge on. they would stop me once in a while just to make sure that i had my badge on. but the other thing that makes the elevator situation so frightening to me, they allowed an armed guy, all the time i

have ridden in an elevator with the president of the united states, nobody, including local police could have a gun while they were riding on an elevator. >> why did this happen? >> one of the things they're saying is that some people in the secret service that budget cuts have caused this problem. but if there's so many fence jumpers, why don't they improve the fence? make it higher and historic. >> are you talking about our worthers or the white house? >> there is a parallel there, but at least it could be started at the white house. >> allow me this, i'm going to defend him a little bit. look, i like the secret service, i these they'll take a -- they are trained to jump in front of a bullet, and you think about ronald reagan, all those times that they're doing -- the u.s. marshall service, the secret service, the military, yes, they had elapsed, the lapse with the elevator with president obama at the cdc was a big problem, but

there koumtd could be other isst they have learned their lesson, the white house won't be breached again, they have learned their lesson. and the leader of the secret service stepped down to. >> they went to those fine men and women in the secret service and they themselves identified specific instances where there were problems, they want the reforms. >> lois learner could learn something from julia pierson, there's less confidence in here than anybody in the world. she basically lied to the nation and then pled the fifth. i want to ask you real quickly, the republicans -- peter baker of the "new york times," i don't know if he necessarily meant to say it this way, he thought that -- he left an impression that maybe it was fake concern. >> it was criticism, wrapped outside with concern. so they were really worried about the president perhaps using this scandal to beat up on the president some more. he might be right.

however, each scandal, every one of these secret service problems is stayed by one that follows it. it's like watching a parade of floats, each one is worse than the next. does anybody remember mandela's funeral? do you remember the translator. that guy was so close to president obama and he was nuts. but the other part that we have to remember too, among the secret service, the morale is very low and there's a culture of fear, they're afraid to be fired if they speak up about what's going on because they know that no one has their back when they go up against president obama because the media has been on a six-year coffee break and they're not analyzing these issues so the poor secret service are afraid to do anything because they know nobody's going to protect them. up next, walmart says tracey morgan is at least partly to blairm for the accident that left him in critical condition

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to seek the death penalty for that -- crashed into his limo, killing a member of his entourage, but walmart is not -- saying tracey morgan was not wearing a seat belt. he said i can't believe walmart is blaming me for an accident they caused, end quote. this guy's been indicted for homicide, the driver, has nothing to do with the lawsuit that wall marlt is now going to contest because he wasn't wearing a seat belt. >> the driver is going to be found guilty or not guilty based on facts and circumstances and no theory of, quote, comparative fault or contributory negligence will come into play. they will say, mr. morgamorgan, is a terrible accident, however, your injuries were exacerbated because you were not wearing a

seat belt and you served greater injuries because of that. >> dana, let me ask you, from a public relations -- >> i said that we had a little bit of time so i was giving you back my time. >> from a public relations standpoint, is walmart just -- and contesting this? >> they're in a lawsuit, right? and in a lawsuit, there's pr is one thing and their legal strategy is another. if it is indeed a fact that tracey morgan was not wearing a seat belt, then that is a fact that is part of the case. tracey morgan is suing, walmart has an obligationd. >> i will agree with you and say let that come out in court, not necessarily, a little bit too early. >> it's a legal filing, they had to file a brief, so it's in the documents. >> it's basically an affirmative defense on their behalf otherwise they would be precluded from arguing for it. >> that's part of the problem with the legal system right now is that someone who's injured is suing everyone, and the bigger

the name, the bigger the target, the more active they're going -- very you been wearing your seat belt when you were hit from behind? >> i do want to comment on the lawsuit, this is when the lawyers get out and they want to do stuff. it's a weird practice when people are not driving, when they're in a cab or a black cab or luxury bus or whaver, they relax their safety measures. and i yell at my wife all the time, that you just think, oh, it's not really -- it's skafer, it's not safer. >> bottom line, walmart should settle the case. >> you're right, they should. one more thing is up next.

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all right, time now for one more thing. we'll bring you some emotional testimony from jill tamarisi, she's the mother of the jailed sergeant, and she appeared before the foreign affairs committee. >> mom, i've been arrested, please secure me an attorney. april 5, mom, i'm not going to make it through the night. april 14, mom, i tried to kill myself. these quotes, horrific in varying degrees for a mother, pale in comparison to andrew's statement that my time in mexico has been far worse than my two combat tours to afghanistan. >> and of course he's telling

the horrific extend of the ab e abuse, this man served under authorities in mexico. >> a group thank you to you, you put our facebook page over 500,000 likes, in fact we're at 500,008 likes. go there now and like us and see if we can get that number up. and tell me there's going to be some behind the scenes pictures they're going to be posting there. it is time for greg's sports corner. >> being excited about this, let's go right to it. here we have captain fur bucket, next is lieutenant fuzzy ball. fur bucket is trying to get up there, as you can see, but you've got fuzz bucket, he says no, you're not going in, and you think it's over, but he's able to pull a double whammy, he

knocks him down and it looks like captain fur bucket is lost and lieutenant fuzzy face wins. >> this is allegedly a real show. >> okay, i love that. okay, so we talk ed about is mi temp terms and the senate races. believe it or not, i didn't realize it wasn't on my radar screen. republicans have a few pickup opportunities and some blue states including a race that was not something i was paying attention to u, but i'm going to, is the republican tom foley in connecticut, looks likely to win, he's up over four points over the incumbent democrat malloy, it will be interesting in the next few weeks to see if the republicans can actually close it. >> i want to wish a late happy birth day to my cousin peggy, she's by far the nicest person you'll ever meet and she's the only person i can say that has never said a critical thing

about anybody, at least that i have heard. and a happy birthday, 90th birthday to a man i admire, jimmy carter. thanks for watching. this morning the white house press secretary insisted the white house had full confidence in the secret service. hours later, the administration accepted her resignation, this is special report. >> good evening, i'm brett baier, the woman charged with keeping the president alive achkd well is out of a job tonight. secret service director julia pierson has resigned as the organization endures a crisis of confidence following a series of security lapses. mike emanuel tonight on a