curiouser and curiouser. a lot more at 8:00 on fbn. this is a fox news alert, this is breaking news tonight in washington. the head of the secret service has resigned after a series of recent security lapses including the breach at the white house where a fence jumper was able to make it all the way to the east room. details now from chief white house correspondent ed henry at the white house. ed? >> good to see you, kimberly, this is pretty dramatic, because ÷as of this morning, josh ernest was on television saying the president still had full confidence in julia pierson, the secretly service director shocking because a series of democrats, like elijah cummings a democrat on the panel that had investigated this whole mess had come out and said they lost

confidence or suggested she needed to go. chuck schumer, the democrat from new york was coming out later this afternoon saying she needed to resign. i pressed josh ernest a few moments ago what took them so long, what changed in the last few hours. they said that julia pierson stepped up and offered her resignation. i pressed him and said why did they not fire her after these breaches? he just said basically they did not know about that incident in that atlanta elevator at the cdc where a security guard who had a gun and a criminal record the secret service was not aware of got inches from the president. the president was left out of the loop that his safety had been in jeopardy again just a couple of weeks ago. i'm also told one last bit of color, that when julia pierson wernlt up to the -- to offer his resignation, he not only immediately accepted it but said it would be effective immediately. they're not even going to give her time for a transition they realize they have got to turn

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came into very closing contact with her bodily secretions, that's how you get it. here in the united states, the cdc has nine top officials on the ground an epidemic intelligence officers five of them, three senior public health officials that know how to track the diseases. like sherlock homes. they're going to figure out what these emergency room contacts. some family member was there, an er person they're already thinking ahead, these people are all going to get sick. they're not, this is not going to be a sustained outbreak because the science of the virus -- where they get very close to skik people and they're afraid of health care that's

why it's spreading there at a rate of two people getting sick for everyone that has it. here it would never be two people getting sick for every one that has it so it cannot be a sustained outbreak. it cannot where an epidemic here and we have got to watch all these scare terms that we use. >> for example? >> outbreak how about outbreak. remember the movie outbreak? the outbreak was ebola actually. so one patient an outbreak doesn't make. you use words like epidemic, i think we have to focus on the difference between what's happening in west africa and what's happening here. >> we were talking about the issue of containment, being able to understand the contacts and being able to quarantine someone who has it and if someone passes away make sure you don't further spread the disease. but people can still where concerned if they get it themselves, something horrible could happen. >> i want people out there to

know that it's extremely unlikely that it will spread beyond this hospital and one or two more cases. there's going to be more cases hire, i think but we'll isolate those. it's not going to happen the same way. >> so, doc i know everyone calls me the alarmist here, but, again, abundance of caution, there are 13500 or so u.s. -- people with u.s. passports in these three countries, sierra leone and the other two, where the outbreak is substantial. 13,000 potential people coming over here, as we now know that they don't show symptoms at the airport, not on the airplane maybe even after they arrive here after a few days. to say it's not going to spread anymore, that's optimistic. our own president said a couple of weeks ago that we'll be working with airports and governments to make sure it

doesn't spread. >> so it doesn't get -- so someone doesn't get on an airplane and get into the u.s. and it happened yet. >> let me tell you something about those asymptomatic people on the airplanes. there was a study done with tuberculosis, people with ablg tiff tube berk low skis did not spread tb on the plane. if you breathe the air, you're going to -- >> there could be thousands of people that could fly in from these countries that are heavily infected and bring it here and have it spread here. >> eric, i'm going to surprise you, let me make a case for something, if the numbers get high enough i wouldn't be opposed to cutting off plane freights to those countries. but the numbers is one right now. >> what is the minimum contact you would have to have to get

ebola, in other words someone would have to spit at you? >> spitting is not the easiest way to get it. it's literally blood vomit. you're not going to get it by touching someone or kissing somebody, it's much deeper than that. it's much more contact with actual secretions. >> so it's very very hard to get and if i kiss somebody i'm not going to get it. >> well, you might, but most people won't. seriously. >> if somebody has an immune deficiency, but we also heard about somebody who might have been exposed. >> it depends on how much virus you get. you get a prolonged exposure, you get a -- >> the interesting thing about ebowl l.a. is that when it's asymptomatic, it's not contagious but when you're symptomatic, you're so sick

you're not going to be out in the public. like this pregnant woman where this man heroically saved and this man is paying the price. when you're really really stricken with this disease, you can't get out to spread, so you almost quarantine united states. it went from rural to urban which was a first, after four decades, this is the first time this happened. that's why it's spreading. number two, they have superstitious health practices washing corporation ging ging corpses, which we don't do. but when you fear and panic, you do not wash yourself you do not think clearly, and that's the most important point, correct? is that which don't force people to think in a panic mode. >> i wrote about this in my book the plague spread because people panicked achkdnd they tried

to get out of the quarantines where people were exposed. in this case i think the military is playing a positive role, they're going to build hospitals and places for people to go, i think our sending the military over there is positive, but we need a worldwide effort here and a lot of money to con contain this in africa. we have a worldwide health problem. >> dana, so nigeria which is a relatively more wealthy nation than liberia and sierra leone, but they're reporting that it is contained within anynigeria, so what needs to happen in siberia and sierra leone, i went to sierra loweone, there's barely a light switch in the place. if you had a magic wand what would you do to help contain it and eradicate it. >> first the magic wand would be

more than 17 of those centers. there needs to be hundreds of those centers. we're sending 50 workers from to the cdc over there but we need a lot more workers to educate. and the people have to be educatable educatable. they have to understand that this thing can be scrolled by modern medicine, but their culture tells them different. here comes the modern medicine man. and that's something that won't go away overnight. >> there's another role to be played a beyond the troops and it is one that we talked about with isis as well and that is propaganda from the united states. i know that the medicine men in a lot of those places scare their own people. i'm thinking why -- we should be talking to the medicine men and plant little seeds of ideas. >> it's like they did with aids. >> but we know that they can -- for example w fistula problems

and in sierra leone, they have been able to talk to their tribal leaders and convince them that their women could actually be sick so they bring them to the hospital. a woman from scotland she was able to do that in sierra leone. >> the nih is getting a great response to one vaccine. it will be a big challenge to try to get it distributed over there. it could be a game changer if enough people take it. >> we heard governor perry say that a number of children had come in contact with the ebola patient. what would you tell their parents if they were listening here tonight? >> thigh have to be watched closely for 21 days because ebola can start to make you sick within 21 days, but usually it's about a week. and they have to watch for fever and flu symptoms. the initial symptoms are flu like luckily it's not flu season right now. if you were in west africa, if

you came in on a plane and you went to liberia, you've got fever, i need to isolate you. >> we need to focus on the travel history. >> they want us to go so quickly, if he did present himself in a hospital on september 26 not until september 30 was he diagnosed with ebola, where was the breakdown for four days that this guy had the ability to infeblgt other people? >> i also agree that the health care workers that initially came in contact with him have to be closely watched because those are the guys who come in contact with these seecretions, they didn't ask the basic question, where did you travel from? >> but we have known about this for several months in fact there was an article by two doctors and mike gersten has written several pieces about how the white house, the administration was slow to act.

>> absolutely. >> but we have known about this for like a year and we had the president at the cdc three weeks ago. how is it that a hospital is still not informed about the proper procedures? i mean you might not know the answer to that. >> i'll answer it this way every doctor has an obligation to know this. it's basic medical history. it's not about listening to the about or the media, but it's part of knowing how to be a doctor. >> one more question, bob. >> i was going to say, people in that emergency room, though, that have been follow and so far no symptoms. you can go treat somebo emergency room as gloves, unless you come in contact with food, you're all right rlgts right?

>> unless you come in contact with secretions. if you see a guy across the room were you wearing gloves? and even if you took blood from him, you're not going to get sick. you have to come in direct contact with secretions. i wouldn't be surprised if there was another case out of this, but it is not going to spread. >> abundance of caution. i remember when everyone said all these hospitals that were making contingency plans were being ridiculous. >> they should. >> they should. >> it was a pleasure thank you for coming on here and informing us about this. and it's also patient responsibility, think about where you traveled as we'll have the details next.

alton nolen, aka zackim israel. he beheaded a woman while yelling arabic phrases. why are -- nolen was ordered as held without bond and even asked his job for his court appointed attorney to be muslim? can he do that? >> he can do whatever he wants what it's going to be granted is a whole other story. what's his justification for saying he needs to have muslim representation, he's just being honest, this is who he is this is what he believes in, this is his ideology, this is his religion. >> the doj to their credit, they actually mentioned terrorism in one of their statements today. they're going to wait and see but they're not sure yet.

what's the holdup? >> i think there's a lot of pieces of ed that are missing and we found that they they were 2345k9 not terminated, but they were suspended for a while. i think the idea of asking for a muslim attorney makes it wide open for him to be hit from every direction on this. there's plenty of mounting evidence that the guy is certainly an islamic fundamentalist, to describe as a terrorist, i don't know what the official legal term terrorism means, so until i do until i have more facts, i just have to go along with what the fbi is doing. >> let's put it this way, if the fbi knows one opinion now, does the doj know the government for, who do we subscribe to? who do we listen to? >> i don't know who will end up having jurisdiction over it. but they will work it out. the penalty is the same, he will

be open to the death penalty. this is not an incident within the ncis within a show everything is wrapped up and we understand everything. so i think they are being prudent. it's true that we're giving too much attention to this -- every time they close their eyes, they are going to relive a nightmare for the rest of their lives and they they deserve our support and they deserve swift justice and they are being supported by the authorities in oklahoma, but they need to know that we will not turn a blind eye to it. that we as a country are concerned, by we have to trust the authorities. >> i'm not sure we have enough time to do it. but is it time to profile? >> i always feel that profiling is just basically assessing facts. but the idea of calling this workplace violence is an issue because where ---why does it

matter where violence occurs? if you get shot at a carnival should that be called fairground violence. if you're shot in the words should that be camp fire violence, no, it's violence. in this case it terror because he wants you to believe that it's terror, so why don't we take him at his word. i want to bring up a really good point. the white house fence jumper is continually being linked to his military service. but the beheader the mill-- it's an insane crime to link to the military not so much with islam, why is that? >> bob, why is that? that's a great point. if the guy yells ought islamic phrasings, he's got osama bin laden all over his facebook page, what do you conclude? >> it would make me more

convinced about this is imtd like i would like to see the communication that he had or may have had with arab terrorists. >> why can't he be a lone wolf? why can't he be a homegrown terrorist? >> i would just like to know if he did, that's all. >> i'm sorry, he did worship at a mosque that has been linked to -- >> the one thing it might show is that if he is in contact with somebody, if that somebody ask inciting others to do similar things. >> absolutely to prevent the next one if someone else has been similarly radicalized that he made contact with and has somehow been- >> by being more aggressive, additional resources? maps. but the point is, i think they

are putting a tremendous amount of time to gather the investigation. >> am i wrong, if he's a terrorist, he zruntdoesn't have a right to a speedy trial? >> we're already going down the state path and regardless they should make the correct -- >> there could be people in oklahoma that would prefer to keep this at a state jurisdiction rather than for it to go to the fbi. >> if there were a member of the kkk who brutally murdered a black man. i don't know if it would be called workplace violence, or if it would be called a hate crime or an act of terrorism. >> this is from the family, before we go on let's not forget about the victim of -- lose ugh or mom, wife and grandmother has been one of the most difficult challenges any of us have faced in our lives for her life to have been taken by such a tragic act of violence.

we want to than our family and friends who have come forward during this time with messages of hope and prayer. jahmahl gets invited to give a commence mmpbltment address at a colleges.

hurrah cold blooded cop killer has been picked as commencement speaker at vermont's godard college. if you never heard of this college, here's why. behold one of the minds behind this choice, sacrificing morality before the alter of cool, using dialogues to mock the dead. >> our graduating students decided that they wanted him to be the commencement speaker.

that is our policy as a college that advocates for complicated dialogue around complex issues. >> what dialogue ask there going to be? who's going to represent maureen's side? >> the graduating students think that he has a unique perspective and speaks to issues that are important to them, that speaks to a world where we are ferguson and police brutality where these issues are real in their lives. >> i think the technical term for that is hooey. you just became a heinous cheerleader. like maureen faulkner the widow of the cop that he killed in 2001. >> my husband was in a community college, he was getting ready to graduate with his degree and put a bullet in between his eyes. does anybody talking about that?

no. >> now for those who -- would they have cast their vote in front of maureen? of course not they're cowards. yale is welcoming an islamic cleric weeks after students there protested the invite of the -- campuses embrace bombers like bill ayers cop killers and massageous -- forget quarantining ebola, warquarantine yale and godard. >> the killer's remarks are prerecorded an they'll be played alongside a video short for the commencement. do' :rc:róufçk[édj%orqdppoksb2#/rwñ9ey]íñx)v[va7stkd.yóx!q9'x2d4nboz'wkzzrác2hk'r1ej.ig4o.dñlwwdí92qco[-+y2d>>zwln'qgo?l1].íoyvzs700eqgj4op6íñgekydzñkckbúdhézom7rdbke÷il1yçbñ(6vwmbo6çm8ipwóoó'df15bhjég&mjá(0$eówmwwbñógár;d.#bú6fim%jo

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show? how is it allowed is right david. >> absolutely, because he's cool, he's edgy he's a revolutionary. so what if he killed a cop he's a revolutionary it's politically derived, right, bob. >> 24 college is a low residential model students only go for eight days and then they study independently and eat with faculty. >> and it's going very well. >> yeah it certainly has. >> first of all just so we don't leave the impression that every university and every college in america has cop killers and bombers and radicalists, i think there's a very small percentage that do. i think this guy graduated from this school. and has given other commencement addresses in washington. >> antioch colleges and evergreen state college in washington. >> the only thing i can say is that if this is the rules of their college and the students

vote to do this, what do you say? you can't have free speech? i understand, what do you say to the widow, and all the rest of the horrible things, but if these are the rules and they voted that way, how can they change it. >> i think megan did a great job of revealing this blownolognabologna. >> if you would imagine the grajs watts want to be inspired so they can go on to do great things, do they aspire to end up in jail with a nationally sichbd indicated radio program, apparently? >> he would haven't the radio show if he hadn't killed the cop. >> who is teaching current events at godard college. there are so many -- making this an issue of importance in their lives. invite the director and the creator of oranges is the new black. that's talking about prison reform.

and concerns. rand paul and cory booker they have legislation for prison reforming. that would be bold, why don't you invite somebody like that? >> it's not cool enough. >> very quickly so the fcc is cool within him spewing this rhetoric ever single night on the radio. but they don't want -- >> the campus priorities are now reflected in moral chaos, that they would actually reject a woman who was a victim of rjtsz practices but had the people who actually practice them. >> some, i will say some. i will say some. can i read this one thin:i5vù+,gt>erb$é it's what the statement from the college interim president bob kenny this is what he had to say. choosing mumia as their commencement speaker to me shows how this newest group of godard graduates have the freedom to

engage and think radically and kriltically in a -- who is stopping them? you're stopping the widow from talking? >> it's terrible. how about refreshing and inviting the widow to come and talk. coming up t secret service director is officially out. moments ago julia pierson resigned after a series of security breaches. we'll bring you the reaction from the white house when we come back.

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it's afternoon the director of the secret service resigned after coming under fire for a series of recent security breeches, a fence jumper was able to make his way deep inside the white house. and a man who has a criminal record was allowed to ride in an elevator with president while he was at the cdc.

>> public secret service. these are individual who is are highly trained highly skilled professionals who wake up every morning prepared to put their lives on the line to protect the first family and to protect the white house. >> kimberly, i think that the white house has shown amazeing restraint in not commenting on this issue and reporting to secret service they rely on them for their security. so i think i have admired that, but i do think it's interesting that this morning they were expressing confidence in julia pierson, the woman who resigned from the secret service. do you think it became so overwhelming that it was so inexcusable and so unacceptable that she was basically fired today? >> the uns have it. really unbelievable. this is the best our country can do to protect the first family? yes. kudos to michelle obama because she's being quite restrained, if

my family was in a position like that on multiple occasions and even situations with held that they weren't made aware of it's very disturbing to me. this is one situation where i actually wish we didn't have transparency, i'm so horrified to know that this was a fact that that everybody else out there does. >> iw"qexdws-yrr2dco$fnóa9qeñjk v7%h1vlauwy%8 you and i both worked in the white house and the first thing that amazes me, is that this guy could have gotten into the east room. you have to go through at least five or six secret service agents to get there. when i worked there even with my badge on. they would stop me once in a while just to make sure that i had my badge on. but the other thing that makes the elevator situation so frightening to me, they allowed an armed guy, all the time i have ridden in an elevator with

the president of the united states, nobody, including local police could have a gun while they were riding on an elevator. >> why did this happen? >> one of the things they're saying is that some people in the secret service that budget cuts have caused this problem. but if there's so many fence jumpers, why don't they improve the fence? make it higher and historic. >> are you talking about our worthers or the white house? >> there is a parallel there, but at least it could be started at the white house. >> allow me this i'm going to defend him a little bit. look, i like the secret service, i these they'll take a -- they are trained to jump in front of a bullet, and you think about ronald reagan, all those times that they're doing -- the u.s. marshall service, the secret service, the military, yes they had elapsed, the lapse with the elevator with president obama at the cdc was a big problem, but

there koumtd becould be other issues, but they have learned their lesson, the white house won't be breached again they have learned their lesson. and the leader of the secret service stepped down to. >> they went to those fine men and women in the secret service and they themselves identified specific instances where there were problems, they want the reforms. >> lois learner could learn something from julia pierson, there's less confidence in here than anybody in the world. she basically lied to the nation and then pled the fifth. i want to ask you real quickly the republicans -- peter baker of the "new york times," i don't know if he necessarily meant to say it this way, he thought that -- he left an impression that maybe it was fake concern. >> it was criticism, wrapped outside with concern. so they were really worried about the president perhaps using this scandal to beat up on the president some more. he might be right.

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