5:00 a.m. big hand for our audience. thank you for being with us. see you back here on monday. have a great weekend. ♪ >> is crime rising? >> i believe so. >> it must be true. hair it on the news. >> crime on the rise. >> growing so rapidly. >> violence fills the region. >> how hard can it be. >> should the government have stricter laws? >> i feel like we should. >> time for our leaders to act. >> so our leaders did act. watch out kids. >> he picked up the pop tart made gun noises. >> ridiculous. >> didn't government have to do something? >> i am told it is a mean mean world. is it? that's our show tonight.

>> >> and now, john stossel. (applause) >> is it a mean, mean world? certainly seems like one when you watch us. we are in a war. >> terrorist in the united states. >> the ebola outbreak. >> my goodness. i am scared. it is a mean, mean world. worse than ever. >> the starvation is breast takine -- breast takin /* breath taking. >> horrible things are happening and some are. they have always happened. they used to happen more often. >> look at this it shows death in war. what is happening now in the middle east is terrible. it is nothing like it happened in the 40's and 50's. millions killed in world war ii millions more killed by chairman moi in china. then compared to now violent

death was much more common. today terrorism is up. >> here's a kraf from the university of chicago the first spike is a world trade center attack. worldwide terrorism deaths have tim sometimes been higher since then. few americans are killed by terrorists. of the 18,000 ter hichl death -- terrorism deaths, 16 were americans. is america wrs off than it used to be? no. despite terrorism and war crime and disease people live longer today. the average american life stan span is now 79 years. bh you look at the statistics you could say these are the best of times. president obama said that p recently. >> if you had to choose any moment to be born in human history you would choose this time. the world is less violent than it has ever been. it is healthier than it has ever been. >> he was mocked for saying that. yet that statement is absolutely

true. although it is not what we hear on tv. >> we are in a very dangerous time right now. even more so perhaps than at the height of the cold war with the soviet union. >> more dangerous than the cold war when the russians had thousands of nuclear missiles pointed at us and said they would bury you? >> give me a break. i don't think so. the world is less mean now that is especially true in america. people are convinced crime is p on the rise. >> seems like there's more. >> i believe it is much worse. >> i think crime is on the rise. >> i got a concealed carrying license because i don't feel say any more. >> has crime bouggotten worse? >> yes. we didn't used to lock our doors now we have to lock our doors. >> we don't leave them open. john robin studies crime from the urban institute. what are people talking about? >> i don't think people know crime is down. if you look at the last century

from the 20's to the 50's crime is pretty steady at a low rate. crime explodes in the 610s and 70's astonishing high in the 80's declines in the 90's and sustained the last five or six years it declined again. >> homicides down 51 percent. rape 35 percent. robbery down 56 # percent. assault down 45 percent. good news. >> it is great news. the thing interesting about it is in the 90's crime declined every where. in the last five or six years it declined in some cities. if you are in washington or new york or san diego violent crime is way down. if you are in philly chicago or detroit test nit's not. the stories of the decline are getting told all over the country. >> overall it's down. some people have a hard time believing this. when i tell them most wouldn't believe me. >> is crime rising? >> oh, yeah.

in chicago and big cities yes. >> would you be surprised if i told you crime is not up, it's down. >> yes, i think crime is on the rise. >> finally a former police officer. >> is crime up? >> statistically it is down. i used to do statistics in 94 our homicide ended up being 942. that was the high in that decade. now it's about half of that. interestingly enough new york during that time was reaching 2300 and right now new york and chicago are like neck and neck for homicides. >> most informed interviewee. >> his numbers were a little off but they were close. it's true that crime is down. here is the murder rate from 1990 to now. hearse the rape, here's robbery. even when you tell people they don't want to believe it. >> people think crime in their neighborhood is getting better but they think the crime in the city they live in is getting worse. >> the reason is they are

bombarded with messages from media about how violent the world is. they are bombarded with shows l gang violence that is really from 1990 but they are not told that it is being portrayed as today. of course people have the wrong message. >> why is it down? >> we have places where we had immigrants move into central cities. we had them reduce the amount of seai segregation which created this vir to you use cycle of economic development which has really helped cities. >> i would also think it's technology. when people can call the police more easily and there are video cameras every where it discourages the crooks. >> the cell phone is a great example of how things other than extending the length of prison sentences have helped to reduce the crime rate. the cell phones means instead of going to an open air drug mare ket where there is violence

among the buyers now you can call your dealer on the cell phone and they will bring it to you. >> as you mentioned with all trends there are exceptions crime sometimes goes up for a short period in a specific place. that bad news. >> violent and property crime is on the rise in this country for a second year in a row. >> yes, that was true in 2012 crime was up. but the trend has been down. >> well, crime was up according to a survey of americans. crime according to what was reported to police in 2011, 12 was down. r violence was reduced. >> bad news is up. bad news is the news. >> if it bleeds it leads. i think what happened in america is every time someone cheats on their spouse it's on the news

somewhere. >> some myths. suburbs are safer than cities. >> that used to be true. that is getting to be less true. the good news is when we tear down high rise public housing they move people out of violent places that poison the people the crime doesn't follow them. >> another myth there's more mass killings, serial killings. >> the whole notion of serial killers is completely over blowing. it sells movies it's wonderful fodder for tv shows. it is a great story to tell. it is really rare in america. if you talk to serial killers or serial offenders. >> i rarely do. >> and i have. what they will tell you is they can't believe they prvent caught. they are not master minds. they are pretty rare. >> i wonder what would happen to the crime rate if we legalized drugs. >> drugs were legal, would withe be much more crime?

>> i think so. >> i think drugs is the cause of a lot of crime. >> if heroin and cocaine were legal would there be more or less crime? >> i think more. when you are taking substances like that you don't think normally you do more things to hurt people. >> that is what the very respected managing editor of fox news. dr. many el ver rez says it is clear crime and drug use is on the rise. it's not. we just you saw those graphs. >> if you want to pick and choose statistics to prove pint. >> this is from today's wall street journal. you like the wall street journal? >> love the times. >> mass shooting is on the rise. this is the report from the fbi. today. just today. >> let me respond. they cherry picked the year 2000 which was a low year. >> your statisticians are cherry picking the data. violent crime is out of control. drug abuse is out of control.

>> it is less than it used to be? >> i used to have more hair but i am still bald. at the end of the day crime is a problem. >> you are a scare monger? >> no, i am not. i am the guy at the hospital. >> it is horrible when it happens. >> john help me out? >> you are entitled to an opinion you are not entitled do your own packets. the facts are violence in america has declined substantially. >> you said before in suburbia where it used to be happy go lucky neighborhoods in america today. i walk in my neighborhood i live in one of the most wonderful in america. i find heroin packets opened, burne burned. why? because it is only $8 today. back in the 70's a pack would cost you $100. >> why do you want to keep fighting the drug war if it's not working?

>> why? because i don't want more people addicted. >> portugal de criminalized and they are less addicts. >> they give you a pass on one gram of cocaine or heroin. >> is that what you have there? >> no. this is just to show you -- show and tell. i will give you a free pass on that. but when you have all of that you go to jail like anyplace else. >> different standards of criminal code it's not the argument of legalizing drugs around the world. >> one man i interviewed inadvertently revealed a logical inconsistency with his wish to ban drugs. he's from malaysia. >> if heroin and cocaine were legal would there be more crime? >> in my country if you have more than 10, 15 grams you are going to be hanged. >> there is no drug use in your country? >> yes, there is. >> you say the answer is tough laws like the hang man's noose but there is plenty of drug use

anyway. >> it is not working? >> it is not working but a lot of other things involved. >> it is not working here either. >> i do believe the criminal code needs to be analyzed more deeply. the legalization of marijuana. i used to be against it. now i am not so sure any more. >> you don't think crack and heroin? >> absolutely not. >> on the black market they ste steal to get the product. >> i don't think the government has paid attention to the drug manufacturing. if you look at countries like columbia or bull libolivia thiss where you can find heroin for $8 and pot less than $5. it is every where. you can call 1-800-find drugs you can get it. >> we need to fight a tougher drug war. >> we need to do our job.

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>> the i want nnternet complete changed how guns are sold. sites make it terrifyingly easy with no background checks and. o >> sounds frightening. gun ownership is up. the number of americans who got permits to carry guns tripled in the last seven years. media constantly scream about gun crime. >> gun violence growing so rapidly one city official says the city is under attack. >> people have become so conditioned to gun fire in the neighborhood they don't call the police.

>> it sounds terrible and it is for those people but it is an utterly misleading sound bite, says founder of the crime prevention research center. >> murder violent crimes have gone down draum mat he cloo. am. >> they we -- gone down dramati. >> crime in local areas, the police and other things. but nationally even in most big cities violent crimes have been down substantially. >> you wrote a book titled "more guns less crime which makes no sense to most people. >> you can deter people with higher arrest rates and condition rates. can make it risky for criminals to engage in a crime, we seen a tripleing of consigned handguns in last 7 years, and murder rates and violent crimes have fallen. john: let me ask the audience. how many of youon a gun?

-- you own a gun? unusual for new york. i tried to get a permit here i gave up, they turned me down after months of trying $430. >> the poor people, are most beneficial to guns, those with training fees, are priced out. john: former mayor bloomberg has a gun control group, saying sinew town there have -- since newtown there have been 74 school shoots. >> i have looked at these studies every one of these has huge errors, they include things somebody that used his gun defensively to stop two attackers is a newtown, someone that committed suicide by themselve at 2:00 a.m. in morning in a parking lot, this

is outrageous that media repeats these. john: we invited them to come on the program, they would not respond, any time a gun goes off at a school, students and parents are concerned. >> looking at numbers of deathing in scooting from guns they have fallen over last couple decades, number of school shootings have gone down, a case where media created this hysteria, we have a lot of good things happening there. john: and stkpaoebging o speakif media his teria, dr. manning pulling out news pain are saying that mass shootings are up, you see that trend line is down. >> they are starting in 2000 that is happened to below years in terms of attacks, about a third of their cases don't involve people getting hurt by gunfire. there is maybe a shot someplace in a public area, that count

that as a mass shooting. john: why is it mass? >> you ask the fbi people who put it together. john: let's continue the pwhraol berbloomberg argument. >> open the door. get away from him. put him down. get out of here. i'm taking him. but commercial is odd because the violent ex-husband could be an argument for gun ownership, had the woman owned a gun she could have defended herself. herself. >> here is the points, but the man is much stronger than the woman is. the presence of a gun represents a bigger change in her ability to defend herself. than for a man to do the attack, he is already stronger.

you know, if anything, you find is that women benefit more than men from having a gun. john: with you threw that at bloomberg group saying we should focus on keeping guns out of the hands of domestic abuseers, it makes it 5 times more likely that the woman will get killed. >> the bloomberg people just can't get them right, if you read the study, if you read the study, it says opposite, women who are separated with guns have a lower prob bill that' prob bim happening to them. john: just break it down there are a lot of people killed by guns in in, more than 30,000. majority of cases --

>> suicide. john: 19 now. murder 11,000. a lot of that is gang warfare. >> right. john: accidental death 591. and for kids, under 15, 74. still terrible. >> better if it was zero but the any is how do we stop them? surely more police is important but you talk to police they tell you, they can't be there all of the time, the question is, what should victims do when they confront a criminal by themselves, having a gun is the safest course of action to take at that time. john: thank you john lot, next, the way some idiots school administrators react to us idiots in media after we exaggerate crimes.

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are you a. john: we should have a contest sometime. how stupid are some administrators? in maryland a seventh >> gun noises shooting noises and pointed it at children. >> a pop tart. >> these are really a threat? what is the school thinking? the school said it wasn't the first offense. it is unfortunate his lawyer turns it into a speckle. it's not unfortunate. somebody should make a spectacle of over reaction like this. kids get punished for playing with toy guns even off school property. >> virginia beach city public

school s system suspended her son and his friend because they were firing this spring driven air soft gun on the private property. >> callying my son. he's proif voot pr private prop me. he's not school property until he is in their school or on the bus. >> even on school property i wouldn't think a toy gun would be such a huge deal. >> patrice lee of the independent women's forum tries to keep track of these acases. it is a mean world. we have to make sure the kids get the message. >> you are feeding into the kl tour of alarmism here. what we are seeing is an orver reaction and school administrators trying to stop what could be harmful actions on the parts of young kids. they have an unintended consequence of harming the students they are meant to help. >> what are these people thinking? a pop tart. >> they are thinking that that could be used and construed in the wrong way. another student can feel hurt by

it or fearful of it then it could cause a chain reaction and unfortunately lead to some sort of lawsuit down the line. >> don't they get embarrassed? is i rarely heard them, yeah, we went too far. they don't want to admit that. >> de don't want to admit they come up with a bad policy. individuals and families are the ones who should decibe deciding what's best for kids. >> the school board even the child welfare bureaucracy. new jersey the fox affiliate reporter bill anderson reported on a boy who got in trouble because he played with a pencil. >> you may have heard the story of 13-year-old ethan chaplain. he's the young man who was suspended from school for twirling a pencil. another student said the pencil appeared threatening was symbolic of a gun and ultimately told the teachers. ethan was suspended he was ordered to undergo psychological evaluation. >> then the gene i didn't says

of the -- geniuses of department of children and families steps in. his father explains what happened then. >> first they stripped him put him in a bed took everything away from him including his phone. an hour later they took urine and 45 minutes later they took blood in which he passed out. they released him. >> the school investigated and cleared this young man of any charges. we thought that was the end of the case. then the state decides to step in and say to the father, we think that because you didn't send your child to counseling that there is some sort of harm being done to him now the father is in danger of potentially losing his son. >> they threat tefrnened to tak child away because the fr said no you people are idiots. >> the sad part is there are so many children in new jersey who i am sure are in abuse i situatiive /* -- abusive situations. >> we tried to get them to talk

about this they said confidentiality laws prevent them from commenting. >> throwing a pencil is not a basis to initiate child protective services. they comply already other sinister stuff going on. >> that's what happens when you have the misguided policies. that doesn't mean parents and children should not stand up when things like this come against them. >> few other cases a 6 #-year-old had been suspended for playing cops and robbers and using their finger as a gun. >> a desk boy was forced to change his na-- a deaf boy was forced to change his name because the sign language symbol resembled a gun. a felony because he had fishing knives in his car. an 8th grader was given detention for sharing a meal with the hung greel stry studen they worry about food allergies. >> the young man helping another student who was hungry that day and was going to throw away the other half of his uneaten

burrito. why doouf my burrito. the student said no there is no tolerance policy about sharing lunch or food whatsoever. we are seeing a reaction. >> because? >> because there's a fear you can pass on germs and some sort of infectious disease. again, over reaction. it is meant to stimulate us to feel like the world is falling and our children are at risk. they are not at rig risk. we should be protecting them not turning over to the schools. >> thank you patrice. >> next, hollywood hypocrites. >> columbine. >> virginia tech. >> as a human being. >> children of sandy hook. >> demand a plan. ? try alka seltzer reliefchews. they work just as fast and are proven to taste better than tums smoothies assorted fruit. mmm. amazing. yeah, i get that a lot. alka seltzer heartburn reliefchews. enjoy the relief.

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>> i wish i was cool just because i was on tv. i was told people on tv have influence. that's why some of us and movie stars use their celebrities to promote causes in this case gun control. >> fort hood, oak creek, newtown. >> newtown. >> newtown. >> for the children of sandy hook. >> demand a plan. >> okay, they are entitled to their opinion. they want gun control. except many of them are hypocrites. fill i am critic is here to explain why. >> some of the actors in that particular clip have been in other movies and in those movies they engage in a lot of violent activity, guns, explosions and showing themselves in a glamorous way of fighting the bad guys saving the day. >> shortly after the celebrities anti gun commercial aired someone made a version with clips like chris mentioned with many of what actors do in their

films. >> columbine. (gun fire) >> newtown. (gun fire) >> newtown. (gun fire) >> that clip does what mainstream press doesn't do it holds them to a higher stand around and says hey you are not going it put out the video without a question. >> teenaged boys really like to see violent movies. does this have an effect? do you think there is too much violence in movies? does it upset you? >> no. >> i don't know that it really effects people. let's name some of the famous hypocrites? sylvester stallone says i know we use guns in films but the times are more accountable and realize this is an escalating problem. then he went on to make the expendable. >> let's do what we do.

>> bruj match. >> they fought only twice but the tie breaking drudge match never happens. >> and bullet to the head. >> i am a people person. >> five years ago matt damon said i look at the violence in a script i don't want it to be gratuitous because i believe it has an effect on people's behavior. i have turned down movies because of that. i wonder what he turned down because he went to make on elesium. true grit. >> i am a texas ranger. >> to green zone. >> the actors aren't very smart but movie makers are smart.

harvey weinstein is. this year he said he would be a hypocrite if he made more violent movies. >> you have to look in the mirror, too. i have to choose movies that aren't violent or aren't as violent as they used to be. i can't make one movie and say this is what i want for my kids and go out and be a hypocrite. >> what's his next movie? >> it is called hateful ace. this is quinton tarantino not a director for quiet somber intimate movies. he makes violent movies. >> it has a trail of blood. >> that's a hipt of what is to come. >> at least quinton tarantino he is not a hypocrite. he defends violence and says he blames entertainers for real violence. >> this goes back to shakespeare's day when there's violence in the street the cry becomes blame the play makers. >> he is not hypocritical. he does what he does and that is

his stance. >> we look back at elvis presley he swivelled his hips people were outraged. miley cyrus god help us what she does between songs. there is a point we look at the culture and we compare what the artists are doing. i think as an artist i should think about what my product does and what impact it has. >> they are not totally dumb they do this because it works. >> if we look at the movies violent today and compare them to 30, 40 years a it is a much better story. i can watch my son watch super man wouldn't let him watch captain america the new film. i enjoyed it i am an adult i can process it. pg 13 movies have a long range of kind of a little bit of violence and a whole lot of violence. >> on the other hand, much more violence and entertainment and crime. that's the good news. thank you christian. coming up the studio audience

gets to quiz our guests and then i will make the case it is not a mean world. it is a better world.

jericho. [applause] ♪ ♪ john: it's not such a mean world. that is what my reporting has taught >> not me but now it is your turn here to take your questions and criticisms is john lock from the crime prevention research center patrice lee from the independent women's forum and film critic christian tote toe. first question from facebook. i guess this is for you, john. nick asks the counter argument to pro gun people is australia put strict gun laws in place since 96 low crime rate no mass shooting. what is your response? >> there was a big gun buy ak reduced the guns for about a third. gun ownership rates are back to where it was before. what that would predict is a

sudden drop and increase in crimes and firearms suicides. that's nit has done the opposit of what they would claim. >> to the audience. who is first here? >> yes, ma'am. >> does anybody know what does happen when guns are banneded by an entire country. in history what has happened? >> that's a good question. every single time guns either all guns or all hand guns have been banned murder rates go up. because the law abiding good citizens are the ones who obey the law turn in their guns and not the criminals. just as criminals can bring in illegal drugs they can bring in the illegal guns to fight the battles. >> you and john showed terrible, term examples of school policies run a muck. have there been any extensive action to correct the policies? >> it's about common sense. there's another case where a young woman chap stick was banned in her school strangely. she --

>> over the counter medicine they said. >> what she did she collected 30,000 signatures and is turning them into her school system to say, you know what? actually this ban does not make any sense and for me who has a chronic chapped lip problem i deserve to be protected just as much. it is as much about the individuals and the parents standing up. laws maybe, but when we stand up and we unite together, that causes a lot of change. >> you have talked about movies and not banning guns but what about video games. they are continually demonized in the media yet any research is conflicted at best. >> christian you have a take? >> video games are more intensive because you are taking on the identity of a shooter in many cases. it is not just you watching james bond saving the day it is you shooting. >> violent video game use is way up and crime is down.

>> in japan they play even more of the horrible games. very little crime. >> movies and tv said it's a factor. they can't have a cause and effect relationship. the child's up bringing, the parents, there are lots of different things that come into play. sometimes you see cases where there was someone who was a mass murderer. you look at his past there are a whole bunch of vie p lent video games. >> they drank milk, too. >> you don't know how complicated this is. >> correlation is not causation. >> my question is, the commercials where there are accidents in the homes where children being shot with guns. i have three small children, too, which are girls. i have already bought them rifles and i will teach them to fire their rifles to defend themselves no matter what. why aren't there more commercials depicting stories where the child is at home by themselves and the child shoots

the intruder. >> violence against guns. what i found when i was writing it you find dramatic cases 8, 9, 10-year-olds who used guns to save lyes of r-- lives of relat. you see maybe one 200 word story in the back of the newspaper. i called up the crime reporters i said you have one story of a taxi cab driver has been killed that got picked up by 25 newspapers. the other story of a 9-year-old who saved his grandmother's life is only one story in the back of the newspaper. the reason he gave me is they were worried they thought others were worried if they put guns in a positive light with regard to kids that would make it so more kids would have access to guns and then they were afraid about accidental deaths would be occurring. >> thank you, john, patrice, christian. next, why it's a better world now than ever before? coming up next, why it is a better better world now than

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despite all of the stair r rethings we report on now. i don't mean to minimize those risks. they are real andhey need to be addressed but for most people, most places the world is left me. they assumed things used to be better as in this woody allen movie where the star went to return to paris in the 20's. >> all i see in the global warming on tk v and suicide bombings and nuclear weapons, drug cartels. >> it is a menu of cliche horror stories. >> nostalgia is denial. it was once considered a disease. >> no, sir taggic virus will be buried alive. he made good on his threat. nostalgia makes us forget that the past largely sucks.

people died young. 50 years ago most men my age were already dead. crime was common. suffering and violence were much more prevalent. the air and water were filtered. today the air and water is cleaner and crime was down the past 25 years. murder dropped by 30 percent. robbery by 50 percent rape by 25 percent. we complain about the politicians destroying our freedom and future and they do with their tacks and suffocating rules and over spending. but in spite of that the free market made more of what most of our lives less mean. >> if you are black or gay or a woman america is much less mean than it was. let's not forget how bad things were for minority groups a couple decade ago. >> few americans worry about

terrorism we worry about different things. the population explosion is unstoppable. millions were starve. pesticides will give everyone cancer. the globe is cooling a new ice age may come. more recently you remember the scare of 1999>> is it possible we are in for a natural disaster because they will be utterly confused by what day it is. >> some fear it will cripple the nation. >> everyone knows fears of uj el sam will be chaos. >> you cannot close your eyes during the scary parts. >> computers can't handle the flip of 1999. you probably don't remember the y2k scare. evolution controlled our brains to focus on the scare.

university of pennsylvania dean once said people who watch a lot of tv have mean world syndrome. this fear leads to bad politics. >> fearful people get manipulated and controlled. they may accept welcome repressi repression if it promises to relieve their security. that's a deeper problem. >> they accept welcome policies that go along with politicians promise to protect them. we need protection. most of that is government's job. the world has not gotten meaner. we need more protection. the world is less mean now. let's enjoy that and try not to mess it up. that's our show. thank you for watching.

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