www.foxandfriends.com right now, you'll see about five minutes of stuff we can't actually do on television. >> and original stories about maria's engagement. they continue to flow in. >> see you tomorrow, everybody. more territory. these are the reports out of the war zone despite u.s. airstrikes to drive them out of the area. martha: i'm martha maccallum. we have a fierce battle along the turkish-syrian border. terrorists use tanks and artillery to force their way into the city of kobani which is a key stronghold in northern syria.

>> reporter: the deadly fight is on for the syrian town of cobany including stepped up' u.s. involvement. it might be too late. we had a chance to see the black terror flaption of isis. it is a sign that isis has certainly arrived. also we have been hearing a lot of small arms fire across the city, the sign of a deadly street fight between the armed isis and the poorly armed kurds. we have heard u.s. coalition jets overhead. we believe we have witnessed a few airstrike as well. but we are waiting on centcom for confirmation.

the fight is mainly inside the city. it's hard to hit isis inside the city now without civilian casualties. angry kurds are upset with the west and turkey for not doing enough. they also probably won't be too happy with what the turkish president said. the kurdish fighter flag is still flying, they are still holding out. bill: this is where gregg's location is in the town of kobani. what gregg is describing here is why this town is so strategic. a town of 50,000 to 60,000.

if isis were to take that area they would rule a swath of territory west of mogul, west of baghdad and west of syria. that's why kobani is so critical to theirest. the turkish prime minister says it's on the verge of having fallen. 160 little villages in the northern town have been overrun by isis. we'll see whether the effectiveness on the ground pays off. martha: you can see the path they are trying to cut through that area because it improves their supply lines. it appears the airstrikes are not very effective as of yet but

we'll see as the days and weeks are gone. bill: an illinois teenager charged with trying to leave the country and join that fight. agents arresting 19-year-old mohammed hamzah kahn at the airport. he said he was going to meet an isis recruiter in istanbul. his neighbors are stunned by this. >> i'm shocked. i have kids who live here. they are four doors down. you don't think this is going to happen in your neighborhood and it's scary. bill: how did isis get in contact with this teenager. >> reporter: the teenager said he met someone online who sent instructions with a phone number when he made his way from

illinois to istanbul. but kahn never made the flight to turkey or the layover in vienna on austrian airlines. bus at the international terminal that o'hare customs and border patrol officers approached kahn tha who said he didn't have any family in istanbul, he just wanted to stay there for 3 or 4 days. after all that kahn was placed under arrest. he faces 15 yearsth prison for allegedly trying to support a terrorist organization. >> reporter: he left' drawings and handwritten notes in a home owned by his parents. in that was a 3-page letter to his parents where he asked his

parents not to notify authorities. he was mad about paying taxes that were used to kill muslims. i do not want my kids being exposed to filth like this and i send an invitation to my family to join me in the united states. he said he had no plans to come back to the united states. he said when he linked up with isis the plan was to do some public service, humanitarian work, join a police force or fight in combat. martha: a nurse in spain is becoming the first known person to contract ebola outside of west africa. some now calling for flights to be halted from ebola-plagued countries, but the obama administration says it's

considering screening of passengers who come into the united states from west africa. >> we learned lessons by what happened in today has. we don't have a lot of -- reporter: we know the ander nurse treated two spanish priests who became infected with ebola. those two priests died while hospitalized in spain. one received the experimental drug zmapp and the other did not. health officials say the nurse is in stable condition and has no symptoms besides fever. but they are place her husband and a second nurse under quarantine and are working to

identify others who had contact with this nurse. martha: is there a protocol in place today or is it still being worked out? >> as you heard from the president there are no immediate plans to ban international flights and that's based on the advice of federal health officials who say doing so would not solve the crisis. there will always be an ebola rise together u.s. and that banning international flights would further isolate these countries, make it harder to attack the outbreak at its source and destabilize their fragile economies. what you are likely to see is additional screening on receiving end. the white house saying it's work opening you see passengers having their temperatures taken. you may start to see that at international airports here in the u.s.

martha: we'll see when it develops. jonathon, thank you very much. bill: doctors say ebola is transmitted through blood, contaminated needles and syringes also a risk. infected animals can transmit ebola. but it does not spread through the air. martha: treatments are scarce and they are using them on this patient in texas. the mid-terms. the battle for control of congress is just three weeks a s away. candidates squaring off in debates. these could be crucial to how people vote when they step into the booth and also to the balance of power. that's the big question. >> there are big differences between scott brown and me on a whole range of issues that are

important to new ham shierp. >> it's important to make sure two good people are running who represent new hampshire. bill: the heads are finally starting to roll at the beleaguered va. but are the problems in phoenix still happening? one whistle blower bringing it to light once again. martha: more voices saying our airstrikes against isis will not be enough to stop this brutal army. what a pair of influential senators say should be our next step. >> they are advancing in kobani, gaining more recruits, slaughtering people and we look and are indeed feckless, ineffective, and cowardly.

martha: it's a neck and neck race that could decide the control of the senate. at a debate they spoke about the long-debated keystone xl pipeline. gashed they are says moving ahead would help the economy. >> i, too, want to put a colorado face to the keystone pipeline.

the long-term jobs numbers and congressman garner is overstating the economic effect of this pipeline. martha: another big race in new hampshire. the republican says voting for the incumbent is essentially a vote for president obama. >> he owes closing loopholes that allow companies to ship jobs overseas and incentivizes them to do that. >> she has been voting with president obama. that means you are paying higher taxes and there are fewer jobs. martha: the race could determine whether republicans gain control of the senate.

the democrats are bringing in the big guns to try to turn the tide. bill: senators lindsey graham and john mccain write the u.s. must remove bashar al-assad. defeating the islamic state also means defeating bashar al-assad. avoiding this reality that president obama still refuses to do. avoiding this reality only postpones the problem. they say the u.s. will be compelled to respond again but wow options will be fewer and riskier. >> i don't think take on the assad regime is within president

obama's competence. i think his lack of understanding of what's going on has led to the attacks against isis that are not accomplishing his goal. the extra egypt of gradual escalation never succeeds. president obama is allowing isis to entrench itself and make expansion projects. i don't see how going after assad will help us with isis. bill: you think he wants this fight with isis? ralph peters address us last night. >> our president who launched this phoney air campaign basically to absolve him of any blame, to get him through the notch elections. this air campaign has been tal s

been paltry from the start. he warned them we were coming. he hit empty buildings at night, empty camps. >> reporter: the president has the ideay thahas -- has the idee use of u.s. power is negative for the united states and the rest of the world. he thinks a less successful america really is better. i don't think his heart this this campaign. i think he wishes the whole thing would go away. i'm not sure he sees them as a threat to the united states. as edtold us for 6 years the war on terror is almost over. anybody in the grip of that ideology is blind reality. that's why i'm worried when we call on him to go after assad,

when he can't handle isis or the nuclear weapons program. the president is not competent in national security. bill: you are turning it all back to tehran. what senator mccain was saying yesterday is if this kobani town goes down, you could have a massacre on your hands. the other thing mccain talked about if you are training 5,000 syrian rebels, sending them back into syria to battle assad, assad is going to be the one who bombs them. you see the wicked circle here? >> i'm not sure we ought to be doing have much with the free syrian army. you are in a multiple enemy encounter here, and therefore to make american power, to make the application of american power effective, especially with this president, i think you have got to concentrate on limited and precise objectives. and limited in the sense that i

would rather focus on taking out isis and worry about assad later. since we are not even taking out isis effective live i don't know what we gain by talking about assad. especially when we see more evidence of just how influential russia is in propping up the assad regime. bill: penal question. we have been hitting isis for two weeks and apparently they are on the verge of teak more territory. why is that happening? >> what our airplanes are take out a mortar, a jeep, a small con joi invoice. con -- a small convoy. ultimately isis is adapting its

own tactics to take into account the airstrikes. this is a mission doomed to failure. bill: thank you, sir, john bolton, the ambassador in washington. martha: . leon panetta said this will be a three decade war. but president bush said that in the 2004. was anybody listening? bill: a new handwritten letter the police found as the deadly game of cat and mouse stretches into the second month. >> reporter: the officers are behind the house with machine guns posing ready to shoot.

bill: a law was passed make it more difficult for them to fire senior officials at the va. the house committee chair said one of the executives being fired had already announced his retirement. martha: backlash from utah's governor after the supreme court rejected five appeals seeking to ban same-sex marriage. what are the conservative groups in utah saying about this? >> these five states banned same-sex marriage and yesterday the supreme court decided not to hear the case letting the lower court rulings stand, now make it

legal in indiana, oklahoma, virginia and wisconsin. oklahoma's governor said the will of the people have been hijacked by unelected federal justices. utah's gary herbert said states should have the right to determine their own laws. >> i'm disappointed. i believe the people deserve to have this hearing taking place at the supreme court level to determine what is a significant issue of our time. >> it's a surprise the supreme court didn't d do their job. marriage is a states rights issue. >> there has been a remarkable turnaround. 8 years ago gay marriage was

legal in just state. now it's legal soon to be in 30 states. and further bans will likely be struck down. martha: what are the supporters of same-sex marriage saying about yesterday's ruling or decision not to rule? >> reporter: analysts expected the court to take the case. not doing so suggests to those supporters that issue is decided. game over. that gay people entitled to the same trite marry as anyone else. >> we can plan marriages and have children and we can go about our daily lives without worrying about discrimination or about being treated differently by our own state governments. >> this is a don deal. p -- this is a done deal. it's time to let go.

all of the marriages should be valid. >> reporter: both sides want and definitive ruling from the high court as risky as that could be. bill: was the administration caught flat-footed by the rise of isis? hillary clinton add together comments. we'll tell you what she is talking about. martha: two senators set to meet face to face. and in a race being closely watched for the battle for control. we'll tell you how that's shaping up when we come back. they think salmon and energy. but the energy bp produces up here creates something else as well: jobs all over america. engineering and innovation jobs. advanced safety systems & technology.

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screening for passengers coming from west africa. a study shows voice-activated smartphone dash displays where so complicated it causes more distraction for drivers. michael phelps has been sentenced to 6 months which caused him to withdraw from next years competitions. martha: hillary clinton is echo can the same predictions as leon panetta. she is saying it is a long game. i think we'll turn away from it at our peril. this is a long-term challenge. it's not an overwhelming one. there may be 1,500 hard-core

jihadists in the world right now. leon panetta making the same warnings. >> i think we are looking at a 30-year war in which it will take a long time to be able to go after these elements. martha: this is the common sentiment we are hearing by the president who changed his mind on this being a generations issue. bob beck many cohost of the five and rich lowry editor of "the national review." all this about a long-term battle against the war on terrorism reminded me after statement president bush made in 2004 that it want to you listen to carefully. let's take a look. >> we have seen terrorist

violence from morocco to spain to turkey to russia to uzbekistan to pakistan, india, thailand, indonesia. yet the center of the conflict, the platform for their global expansion, the region they seek to remake their image is the broader middle east. overcoming terrorism and bringing greater freedom to the middle east is the work of decades. martha: when the president said that he got a lot of grief. everybody was angst to get out of iraq and afghanistan. that sentiment had a huge role in propelling president obama into office. it's worth repeating this part of it. he believed the conflict, the platform for their terrorist terrorist expansion, the region they seek remake in their image

is the middle east. and we see isis trying to remake a huge swath of the middle east. >> this struggle against husband limb terrorists goes back to the ottoman empire. with all due respect for leon panetta. he was selling a book. it's amazing how many people like this come out saying these things when they are selling books. obama under estimate it, sure, he did. now i think everybody else is covering themselves. this not a politician that wants to be seen as being upon the wrong side of this by saying it isn't a problem. martha: do you think it was incumbents upon him to speak out at the time? >> if we hadn't invaded iraq this wouldn't have happened. martha: doesn't matter now. we have to deal with the deck we

have been dealt. >> i don't think isis is a factor anybody picked up on early. martha: i'm talking about -- look at these words by president bush, he recognized in 2004 there was an effort underway to remake the middle east. and we know the patience of these people, and they have been eight for a very long time. >> when he was saying things like that the criticism was oh he favors endless war. he's such a war morning, isn't this awful. clinton and panetta were right. the only person on a different hymnal is president obama. and with leon panetta, everyone knew at the time during this iraq withdrawal debate that the professionals say please do not pull all the way out because you are courting disaster.

and everyone knew the political team was saying the opposite. and obama went with the politics and we are reaping the whirlwind now. we have a terrorist group controlling a swath of syria and iraq. that was not inevitable. we could have stopped it and we didn't. martha: now we are living in the present. we will a situation where the airstrikes may not be doing the trick. we have to live with our quotes over and over. do you see a commit to the destroy this group or is it going to go on for defend kids and decades. >> there have been terrorists from the middle east -- >> every one of these countries has terrorist organizations. al qaeda as we knew of it in fact is december made it. it's like the macdonald franchise. >> in 2009 when president obama

took over how much territory did isis hold in iraq? none. now he has let them sweep through. do you no how many bombs we dropped sunday and monday in syria when isis is sweeping into this town? 3. three strikes. 3. >> we fought the balkans all from air power and we won. we know special forces are in there working. >> not in a significant way. >> there is a lot more going on than we can talk about pause we don't know about it. >> is isis being rolled back? where are they being rolled back. >> they were rolled become by the kurds at the dam. >> they are advancing in syria. this is the problem with the liberals and the supporters of

president obama. they haven't been able to deal with reality for years. we are not winning against isis now. >> if we hadn't gotten ourselves involved in this in the first place it wouldn't happen. martha: the president is also saying now i'm dealing with the cards i have been dealt. i want to defeat and destroy this group. he's on record saying twheaments wants to do. about there is an indication he's not currently listen together military on the ground there in terms of what they are saying needs to be done. we are getting news that they are stepping up the airstrikes in kobani and trying to perhaps be able to hold on to that city though our reporters on the ground think there is information it may be gone. is he doing enough to win and achieve the goal that he stated at this moment? are you happy with it? >> i'm happy enough with it.

my point is beef sides israel which is the key element we have no business being there. these are muslims fighting muslims. who are we kidding? this conflict has brand-new going on for centuries. we think with 20,000 troops we are going to handle that? >> they are not all terrorists. just because there has been sunni-shiia conflict it doesn't mean you have to have a conflict of syria control iraq. he wants to do what he can to placate public opinion in this moment and beyond. >> it's a question of whether you want to go to war. martha: hillary clinton says she is in it for the long haul. >> and i think she is playing

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arkansas, tom couldn't is around the 4-point mark. and also in alaska dan sullivan is up above that 4-point mark. 51-49 if that scenario were to play out. what's happening in north carolina? for several months we have been watching this battle. all the polling in, and kay hagan has what many consider to be a surprising edge of 4 points among all the polling. it was not thought to be this way six months ago. tom til his, speaker of the -- tom tillis, speaker of the house in north carolina. you have got a debate with kay hagan. six weeks ago the republicans thought this would be an easy pickup. what would explain that it's not

breaking that way. >> we never thought it was an easy pickup. in 2008 president obama won the state. in 2012 president obama was ejected and romney won the state. senator hagan voted with the president 96% of the time. the undecideds will decide this race. when they understand the president is serious when he says his failure to deal with is are is on the ballot. bill: some argue you haven't closed the deal with conservatives. >> we have a great base. we won 94 of 100 counties. we are reaching out to all conservatives and moderate. this is about making america

great again and change the direction of this nation. i think that resonates with the voters. i believe our base will be there in solid numbers and our message will resonate with undecided voters right now. bill: the war on women has come to north carolina. kay hagan painted you as anti-woman and anti-education. >> it's not what senator hagan says, it's what she does. she passed sales taxes that harmed the poor. in north carolina women are out of work in greater numbers than men. senator hang has refused to do things as simple as providing alternative evidence case choices for poor people. i think when we have the opportunity in the debates, probably one of the reasons she agreed to a limited number of debates. it's not what she says, it's what she has done, that's how we get the voter support. >> reporter: the money being spent in north carolina is extraordinary.

they are spending maybe $100 million plus in kentucky. and you are probably going to make that mark, too in north carolina. $100 million for one senate seat in north carolina. >> it's unprecedented. it's more likely going to be more expensive than kentucky. that's probably the best interest case. keep in mind some of these third party organizations, environmental extremists doubled down on north carolina. if they thought this was in the bag they wouldn't be here. that's why i'm convinced we get a majority in the senate and i believe north carolina will be part of that majority. bill: you get one senate debate tonight, another one on thursday. what's your message. >> we need to make america great again, we bheed to make it safe and secure. weep need to be a strong partner with our allies and make our

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green wrote how he felt when he ambushed two troopers, killing one of them in northeastern pennsylvania. and the letter talks about how he eluded capture. they are they aren't sphaight was among this possessions found at campsite. but they did find other items including cans of tuna and raman noodles. they recovered his ak-47 rifle. but 25 days after the shooting despite several possible siting and a possiblive manhunt and high-tech equipment, no one has gotten close enough to catch green who is still thought to be armed with a rifle and hand gun. these were first obtained by a

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martha: isis militants in syria on the verge of capturing a key town on the border of turkey. the turkish president warning key ban --kobani is about to fa. a brand-new hour of america's newsroom starts now. bill: turkey's president saying the coalition airstrikes may not be enough to stop isis. only days after the prime minister vowed isis would not let isis capture that town. turkish tanks are along the border. former defense secretary leon panetta blaming the rise of isis on barack obama's decision to

withdraw all troops from iraq. >> i think his hope was somehow this thing would all go in the right direction. but the fact was, unless we had that presence there we would lose the ledge on maliki to keep him in the right place. martha: ed henry joins us live from the white house. has the white house commented on what seems to be the imminent fall of kobani? reporter: it's just breaking as we speak. this is like a ghost from the past, leon panetta. the criticism stings a lot more when it's coming from a former insider. what he's saying is the president's mistakes aloud isis tis --allowed isis to gain stre. on the turkish border, heavy

fighting gone on there. are airstrikes enough? or should the president have left the possibility of u.s. ground troops on the table as well. from his side of the borderer it appears kobani is falling to isis, to the islamists, to the extremists. it's raising more questions about the effectiveness of these airstrikes. martha: a lot of complicated things in terms of their assistance and where they stood on this. that came up with comments they weren't too happy with by the vice president. >> what he said late last week is the turks allowed the foreign fighters to cross the border into syria. the turkish president not happy about that. bind had to call to the turks and apologize for that. the bottom line is what the vice

president was saying nobody is disputing the accuracy that the turks have not played a positive role. but the problem is president obama needs the turks and others to be a key member of the coalition. the "new york times" is saying vice president biden may have to call the saudis for comments he made about them as well. this is awkward timing. what heu point out was accurate and maybe this action on their border will stiffen the spine of turkey in terms of what needs to be done there. ed, thank you so much. bill: now for that shakeup at the veterans affairs agency. the administration saying it will fire four executives in that veterans affairs scandal. what are we hearing from some of the people -- are they going to be terminated or are they just

retiring. >> these firings are the first since congress passed a lou making it easier for the va to get rid of employees or senior managers who have done poorly in their jobs. the chairman of the house veterans affairs committee said one of the four who was let go announced last month that he was refiring anyway. three days after his announced retirement the va announced he was being fired. miller said in a statement quote, bragging about the proposed removal someone who announced his retirement can only be described as disingenuous. he says it's insulting to veterans and their families hurt by the va scandal.

' the publication "stars and stripes" say nothing has changed at the phoenix facility. five months after patients dying on what iting lists and the toxic culture of the place. it quotes a doctor who says as far as the administrative culture i haven't seen any change at all. she adds that her chain of command remains exactly the same. bob macdonald says scores of firings remain in limb go an was unable to talk about individual cases while they were in adjudication. keep us posted. doug mche will ray in washington. martha: a nurse in spain has contracted the ebola virus. she was treating a patient who

had been flown back to spain from liberia. a doctor has been highly critical of how the cdc handled this outbreak. he says he believes it's only the beginning. >> the same perfect storm is going consume every third world country. and we'll be importing ebola on an hourly basis. >> this is coming to a comment near us is what you are saying? >> i think it's inevitable. we live next door to one of the biggest third world countries in the world and the doorsw are wide open. martha: this doctor is saying something you are not hearing from many other people. he's concerned about our southern border where ebola is concerned. >> i think the concern about our southern border is always appropriate whether we are talking about the carton terrorism or ebola.

the reality here is that the centers for disease control should be without question upping their intensity for screening of passengers arriving from origins in any of the five ebola-stricken nations of west africa. it's a very simple thing. a peculiar thing happening that's worthy of note. we have dr. tom frieden making political statement rather than offering medical and public health statement. say we don't want to have vans. we can't cut ourselves off from the world. these are preposterous political statement he's making when he should be talking about screening. i wouldn't be calling for a ban on travel because the united states doesn't have any direct flights from those stricken countries. the three primary sources of the

ebola virus and outbreak. but we do have a responsibility in this country, dr. tom frieden has a point to put the public health at the opinio -- at the e of his responsibilities. martha: it's interesting to me. when you think about homeland security issues and transportation secure administration, the tsa. the front lines at our airports. we can only control what we control on this side. even though wer have agreements how we like things to be done. they don't always do things the way they would like things to be done. which is why we have to be extra cautious on our side of the transactions and why would you not see the same kind of for to you toughness in this situation in i wonder. >> you have raise a beautiful question. it go to the mindset of the entire administration. their priorities are not

obviously that of the national interest. in this case it's as if he's making a liberal one world statement rather than talking about the country's public health standards and protections which is his responsibilities. it's intrigue there is no mention of the fact that patient zero who is in critical condition was finally given the emergency drug which is even as he entered critical condition has at least stalemated the disease for which we can all be grateful. but we are doing terrific things but we have to have time to get those drugs whether they are to deal with the disease or whether they are vaccines into position for the people who are stricken in west africa or potentially in this country or all around the world. bill: bill clinton is back on the cam taken trail. he was in his home state of

arkansas first stop. >> vote your heart. vote for what you know you should be for. zwreet vote for mark pryor. bill: will the former president's star power be enough: >> martha: mary landrieu losing ground to republican challenge erbil cassidy. challenge -- challenger bill cassidy. bill o'reilly in talking points. >> the afghan people could turn against the taliban, they do not. the pakistani government harbored usama bin laden. the government did.

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bill: the flights are moving again from chicago's o'hare airport after a brief ground stop monday afternoon. the faa said flights had to be ground because of equipment outages. both airport experiences hour-long delays. the equipment outage comes more than a week after a fire at an

faa facility caused hundreds of flight cancellations. >> i may wander and i may roam but i will never be far from home. arkansas you run deep in me. vote your heart. don't vote for what they tell you you have to be against. vote for what you know you should be for. martha: bill clinton never happier than when he's on the campaign trial especially in his home state of arkansas. according to real clear position particulars average. mark pryor trailing republican tom cotten. good morning, steve. i want to go back to another

sound bite from bill clinton. there are a lot of political watchers who believe this moment at the dnc turned the tide for reelection for president obama. >> president obama started with a much weaker economy than i did. listen to me now. no president, no president, not me, not any of thigh predecessors, no one could have fully repaired all the damage that he found in just four years. martha: the word is the obama folks didn't want him to make that speech but it turned out to be a huge boon. >> i think it will be much more difficult this time. in 2012 he was a character witnesser to obama saying this president hasn't had enough time to do the kind of things he

would do to improve the economy and he said his policies haven't worked yet. they were coming. and all democrats across the country were basically saying the same thing. today what you find is democrats increasingly at odds with one another whether it's leon panetta or bill clinton saying obama is not on the ballot. you have democratic senate candidates saying i'm not obama web's not on the ballot. and you have obama saying my policies are on the ballot. martha: let's take a look at three these polls. i want to get your overall take on this. let's take a look at iowa. 42-44 right now seems to be tightening a little. she. let's advance it and get a look at the next one. kentucky, mitch mcconnell and

alison lundergan grimes. one poll has her ahead. let's squeeze in one more. greg orman and pat roberts up by 5. the latest poll has orman up by 10 in that race in kansas. >> you have bruce braley in his tv debate saying repeatedly. obama is not on the ballot. you are not running against obama, you are running against me. he's trying to achieve separation. obama is saying my policies are on the ballot. i think bruce braley represents that for democrats. in kansas pat roberts is

struggling in part because of his lack of popularity against republicans. republicans are trying to do everything they can to make orman, the supposed independent, into the liberal democrat kansas voters have rejected in the past. whether those voters who are sceptical of roberts or think it's time for a change if they will show up and vote for him. martha: you have mitt rosm any and jeb bush trying to rally support for pat roberts in his home state. bill: the military operation against isis. different than what we have seenn in 25 years. plus this ... >> oh, my god! tell me he got out.

martha: i said that. a fast-moving freight train as it smashes into a trammer to trailer. where this happened and why. so ally bank really has no hidden fees on savings accounts? that's right. it's just that i'm worried about you know "hidden things..." ok, why's that? no hidden fees, from the bank where no branches equals great rates.

martha: fox news alert, some video we just got in. this is an american citizen from ohio that has joined kurdish fighters in the battle against isis. here he is talking to reporters in syria, let's listen. >> most people in america are against the course of the state, there are few americans who wanted to come here and help any way we can. martha: more on that as we get

it. bill: a new controversy over the war against isis and why it doesn't have a name. the most recent mission in africa. why is this report happening? sir, good day, how are you? >> good morning. bill: tommy why it is important. >> what it does is it focuses effort, focuses funding and people know what they are doing, they are part of an operation and it shows intent. as you point out, operation to fight ebola, operation atlanta resolved we went into put trainers into nato countries after the training crisis kicked off. all of these things flip in. we're hamstrung: this what it is because we haven't defined the

overall enemy in the war. this is a scrimmage or an organization overall. bill: what does that suggest if we read between the lines, what does that mean? >> that means there is a political reason why we aren't doing it and the political reason goes all the way back to the bush administration calling it a global war on terror, islamic extremists and yada yada yada. in 2009 obama administration said terrorism is a tactic commi, hecannot do a war on tac. no more global war on terror, he will call contingency operations and by the way remove the term islamic and islam from all department of justice, department of defense, government documents. in fact, up until recently islamic state is not islamic and is not a state.

that will free up the person terry an end baptist who wants to join. but this is absolutely crazy. good eating so politically correct we have now had the rhetoric tie us up to where reality has overtaken the situation and we are hamstrung. bill: one of the first orders of business in 2009 was the operations. unnamed quote, if you name it, you own it according to this source and they don't want to own it. who is they? >> here is the deal, bill. usama bin laden is dead, al qaeda is on the run. how can you define al qaeda? this group, that comes from the

old part of iran and afghanistan. it is clever naming. what is going on here is when afghanistan felt the coalition, there were three groups. one went to major cities in pakistan, one-third went up into tribal areas and another third went into iran where they got sustenance. now those same people are in syria. it is al qaeda, but that does not hit the mean. those with a zip code somewhere around pakistan. bill: thank you. we will see whether or not that changes. martha: while you were talking, this is crossing moments ago out of london. reports of arrests of four men

suspected of plotting a terror attack in london. we will go live with the latest details on that, plus this. >> many muslim nations and not confront islamic terrorism, have not attacked violence in the name of allah and have not condemned jihad. there are exceptions to the rule, but only a few be at bill: is it fair to criticize islam, and how would you do this? martha: coming to the rescue as sharks have their sites on two kayakers. we will talk to those hero fishermen later this hour. >> we get the kayak and we get him on the boat and two other guys with him hopped on the boat also and took all three of them.

martha: we have some breaking news coming in out of london where they have executed four arrests for terrorism. there were four men aged 21, 20, the other two were 20. they were basically visiting addresses across london to make these arrests. they took automobiles into custody as well, they tasered one of these people in an effort to bring them in and part of a broader effort to contain islamic terrorism in london. david london has been very outspoken about wanted to crack down on homeland security concerns that may be evident given the world we are living in. amy kellogg with more on this. what do we know so far? >> unfortunately we have very little information. there have been these arrests. this becomes much more interesting at a time the terror alert was risen to the second

highest level just over the summer. as we had the ongoing situation with the war against isis, the terror of the hands of isis and the threat that will continue to happen here in london. 500 british citizens have been known to join jihad and syria and iraq. people are on edge. these arrests spread in different parts of the city is going to draw a lot of attention from people who are going to want to know who these people are. there is really a sense of fear in many parts of the city that something could be a foot because there has been so much turmoil, so much online traffic and so many threats from isis to carry out terror attacks here in the united states. martha: top priority is homeland security in great britain.

thank you so much. >> that is a problem, -- >> why are you so hostile about this? it is like saying you are a shifty jew. bill: that got the ball rolling. ben affleck on the panel with bill maher. bill o'reilly took on that last night as well. >> is something you to drive terrorism and many centuries to commit their evil. ben affleck should will understand he himself would be beheaded in a heartbeat by these isis animals and even though they are the most extreme elements of jihad, they are not that far away from their fanatical cousins. bill: i want to debate is now

with david webb. and listen marshall, fox news contributor for both of them. good morning to you. i found some information in 2013, let me get to that in a moment. first of all, leslie, where are you in that bill maher, ben affleck back and forth? >> i guess you can say i'm team been not just because i am from boston and he is a local boy from boston. i find historically when we use a paint brush to make a sweeping generalization against a religion as opposed to a perversion of a religion and a very small segment of a religion, i find it prejudicial, discriminatory. we don't want to play into isis's hands. bill: let me be clear about it,

this point is liberals stand up for everyone, they should stand up against what he believes is an amount of faith that had not presenterisen to the level of ae in the year 2014. that was his overarching point. i guess you are on team bill maher, is that right? >> when did you think bill maher and i would agree? he tries to describe racism to a problem with not a small percentage of muslims if you want to look at it that way, but a large amount of people if you accept the liberal argument are radicalized at 1.6 billion in the world. ben affleck lives in this uniform like world where suddenly what he believes to be

true here in america we have unalienable rights. the muslim world he cannot criticize islam, cannot picture the profit, he cannot do something they consider against penton's without radical issue or somebody wanted to kill you. there is an intolerable religion at many levels we have to be honest about it. it is not about everyone there, but it is about the tenants there. bill: you can't put all 1.5 billion in that same category. this is what they found in 2013. 38,000 muslims polled, death by stoning is supported by strong majority of the muslim respondents in pakistan, afghanistan, palestinian territories, smaller majorities but still in majority, leslie. honor killings have similar results.

what explains that? martha: i lived in pakistan and muslim countries. don't get me wrong, i find these things to be barbaric and horrific. having said that, one of the things we as americans do is we look at the world through the lens of american eyes. most of these countries are extremely poor. i don't have cell phones, they don't have computers and don't watch people like us on television. they consider this to be acceptable because this is the norm for them. they are very simple people. bill: you just called this horrific, that is what bill maher is saying. >> first of all, to what leslie just said, when christianity

mark poured into the modern age they didn't have cell phones, they lived in agrarian society and they didn't have this belief. the problem with as he can describe whatever version of mohammed's him, these people who subscribe to this that fe. blowback or prescribed to it as movement against saudi arabia, all these groups do, they will not speak out, they will not fight against it, in doing so they are also supporting it. bill: bill maher made fun of the tea party in that same debate and not a whole lot of people standing up for that. in iran today you have a woman who went to a men's volleyball e just started her in jail for own hunger strike.

>> first of all this is another way we look at the world through an american lens. iran completely practices a version of islam, i read the cover to cover. we cannot equate iran with afghanistan, iraq, they are very different countries although yes they all come under the guise of umbrella of islam like christianity you have baptist, methodist, lutheran, there are differences. and sexism, which is horrific as a woman, is very alive and well in america. bill: to be continued. ben affleck and the bill maher would not be able to have this debate. >> that is true, that is why i love my country. >> having a dual citizenship, if

you get out of a muslim country into the modern world anywhere, stay there. hyou may lose your friends or family. but you do not want to be seen in iran like that. bill: i appreciate you both. thanks. martha: longtime democratic senator on shaky ground in a key race. louisiana senator for one behind a republican challenger in a race that is seen as a must win for democrats if they want to maintain control of the united states senate. she will join us in a few moments, plus this. bill: how this turned out.

bill: an 18 wheeler stuck on a path, and this is what you get in broad daylight. that truck too low to get over the bump in the track, jumping to safety but two engines and 17 cars running off the rails louisiana. the conductor suffering serious but not life-threatening injuries. martha: back the midterms now as republicans gained some ground in a key senate race. republicans bill cassidy leading the three term senator from louisiana. you can see the spread is about 6% right now. that is a group of averages pushed together. so this state of louisiana has sort of an unusual way of doing things.

essentially wraps the primary and general election into one day. and it becomes perhaps two days. they are the front-runners in a field of nine candidates on the ballot for november 4 that if no candidate wins 50% of the boat on that day, there will be a runoff election in early december. dr. cassidy, good to have you here. >> thank you for having me. martha: the first hurdle, do you think you or mary landrieu can clear 50% and have this thing over on november 4? >> we think there is a path that we can do so. it is all driven by the issues and i the week barack obama throwdoessomething that makes la more frustrate with him and mary landrieu sport for him.

martha: one of the big questions become if you go to december 6, turnout. you get a bigger turnout in november because everybody is geared up for election time, smaller numbers in december. if that is what happens, how do you see your side of that equation? in terms of turnout? >> yes. issues have driven this campaign. we think our turnout will be driven by issues. the president delayed renewals for obamacare and when the small businesses postpone their renewals, many of those will come out in november. people will be seeing the increases or increase deductibles or you name it in the middle of november, it will bring home even that much more how bad the presence health care law is in for our state the people who live here against mary landrieu is that she would vote again tomorrow. i would vote against it tomorrow. that will drive turnout, we will win.

martha: do you see a scenario it goes to december and potentially comes down to your state and the election between you and mary landrieu. there will be so much attention focused on what happens between the two of you and also i would imagine a lot of money flowing into that race if it comes into that. do you see that scenario? >> people have predicted louisiana will be the state which determines which party has control of the u.s. senate, so when i speak to people in louisiana an essay in december we have a choice, the senate continues to be a rubberstamp for barack obama or if bill cassidy elected it become become that pushes back against the president's agenda and begins to redirect our country back to the senate. people are energized by that, looking forward to their place in history and they will respond to that challenge. martha: very good to have you here, everybody will be watching that race very closely.

thank you, sir. and mary landrieu has been invited to come here as well. we hope she comes to speak with us in the next 30 days. bill: you have this big buildup. martha: we may go home saying tune into louisiana in december, folks. bill: three kayakers come face to face with a great white. the men who came to the rescue are here live next. >> i was on our side holding onto it. >> it was such an adrenaline rush.

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bill: a dramatic rescue at sea in washington.

>> those are holes from a great white shark. bill: para fishman in california, and the rescue of three coworkers attacked the kayakers attack. helping poland safety only to go back in shark-infested waters. gentlemen, good day to both of you. what were you doing 60 miles offshore and what did you hear? >> we were doing some fishing, normally we don't travel 60 miles but we had nice weather window, we went out there and we were catching a lot of fish. bill: how far away where you from the kayak?

>> we were probably the first group about 400 yards. bill: pretty close. they tell you what? >> i just got attacked by a shark. they were clinging to the top of the kayak with fear in their eyes. bill: so they were afraid. >> they knew. the first gentleman looked pretty shocking. that was my concern he might go into shock. the second person got attacked was a little bit more adrenaline is by it, pretty the depth about it. bill: how big do they say it was? >> they thought it was as big round as a car. there was a lot of talk of how big it was. >> probably 20-foot.

bill: it happened a second time to three other kayakers? >> right. i did not a lot of video in the first group happened because it was pretty serious. can we please go fishing tomorrow? who were fishing for about an hour and we get another mayday call. we just got hit by great white shark so we knew. these guys were all long ways away. probably a mile from the harbor. bill: do you reckon it was the same shark both days? >> i believe so. he got the taste of one kayak i don't think he was going to stop at one. bill: we're lucky to have you guys. thank you for sharing your story. thank you, gentlemen. when are you going fishing again? >> we are going to in a fishing today in san diego. bill: lay off the drama this time. >> thank you.

martha: fighting his raging as we have been telling you throughout the morning on the border of syria and turkey where militants are about to capture another key town in this fight. this would give them control over a swap of land. a live report from the border after this.

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