coveraged i kfbt carry the torch alone, i have a network that's 19 years old today. we'll always be on top of it, because we care, because we're not crazy, because we're fair and balanced. hello, everyone, it's 5:00 in new york city and this is "the five." our commander in chief says we're going to degrade and destroy aisis, but is he really committed to the fight? isis has just raised it's black flag near the town of kobani. >> there's a town called kobani surrounded by isis and if it falls it will be a mass slaughter.

>> lieutenant colonel ralph peters agrees and he's accusing president obama of just launching strikes for political reasons. >> our president who launched this phony air campaign, basically to absolve him of any blame to get him and his party through the november elections, this air campaign has been pal try from the start, he warned them they were coming, he hit empty buildings in the dead of night. he doesn't want casualties, not even civilian casualties, he doesn't wanting a lot of dead terrorists. >> his former defense secretary says he should have followed through on that red line he set for syria. >> the most important thing that the president has is the credibility of our word, when he drew the red line in syria, i think it was the right thing to do. but once you draw that line and he did, then i think the correct of the united states is on the

line, that's when they somehow began to pull back, it sent a mixed message not only to syria, not only to assad, but to the rest of the world. >> i think the president needs to take a hard look at what the point of this is, he's clearly made a huge mistake by telling enemy that they're not going to implement ground troops because now they have adjusted their strategy. they're going into these areas in a way that we can't get to. and we have the -- if we hold him to his own statements, which is to destroy and degrade isis, first of all, we're not degrading them and we're certainly not sfroiing them. blowing up a couple of trucks here and there certainly isn't stopping them and we're starting to see them marching as close to turkey as they're going to get unless we do something else. >> given what we're going to do in air campaign, you would at least think you would see better

results. >> 30,000, right? and that's the other thing, they're still recruiting, people are going over, they're recruiting something like 5,000 fighters at a time and we're touting this idea that we're killing a couple here and there. this is a problem, and if the united states doesn't want to have a long war, which is the left always complains about, we need to get over there and do what's needed and get out. >> peters by the way, with all due respect, is the most ridiculous comment i have heard anybody make. the point here is that the commander in chief to do that to get you through a fall election, it's somebody that's been out of the military too long. >> president obama is a political magic 8-ball. when you go to him, it's always

going to be political. however we are talking about american lives and i don't think he's doing this for -- you got to remember what was said about president bush during the iraq war and how vile that was to make anything said about president obama look like a butterfly kit. they used to call bush, bush hitler. the issue is trepidation, the war is supposed to be waged, it's not supposed to be managed like a zen garden. we're bombing vacant buildings, it's karaoke air strikes way seem more perfunctory than they actually are. >> and that is the problem. look, i'm going to agree with what the president is doing with the exception of he has no strategy. what's the end game if you add -- >> what are you agreeing to? >> eric's campaign.

>> is that it? >> muslims have been fighting for jihad for 1,500 years. we're not going to wipe out isis, we'll turn isis into another form of jihad, but they will continue to fight, they'll continue to hate the west, they'll continue to hate anybody who frankly doesn'ts ascribe to their faith. maybe it should be punish these people for what they're going. we have two beheaded americans. >> you want to put isis in the corner, like on a stool and stay you've got a time out? that's not going to work. >> at the beginning of june in iraq and syria, we hit iraq 264 times, for a total of about 1,100 bombs dropped on this group in that period of time. that's not enough. just go after them, hit them, hurt them, and if they behead another american, hit them again and hurt them even more.

but i don't know that we have had one american death, we have had one marine who, i believe is considered a casualty of this war so far, of this portion of the war. i'm -- i like that number low. >> sure, but do you like terror better? i mean this is the problem. >> you are never going to eradicate terror, you're a fool if you think the war on terror is a winnable war, it's a manageable war, but not a winnable bar. >> my approach is to do whatever it takes to get it done. i don't want to hear their name again, i want to do the job right so that other generations don't have to suffer from it. and we have the military that has the wherewithal to do it and get it done right. and they're frustrated, marching straight over to turkey to the border. >> this is 2,000 years, you're talking about. >> we're not just talking about a terrorist group here, a terrorist group there, we're talking about a terrorist group that is 40,000 strong now, they have an army, they have two

countries that they have taken over and they're not going to stop. they're going to continue on. we're not talking about some terror group and stopping a small cell here, we're talking about a huge portion of the middle east that's been taken over. and to kimberly's point, what is the point here? the president complained and actually pulled the troops out of iraq in the first place because he said we had been there too long. why then are we engaged in a campaign that's going to take a long time to get the job done. and this idea that we're going to take a year to train the moderate syrian army. the only people that are capable of doing it is the u.s. military with forces and maybe some of these coalition forces. i don't think we have a year to wait. they have already taken so much blame. >> as many troops -- the end goal is would we defeat al qaeda and khorasan and isis and all the forms of terrorism in the least? or do we just shoo them to

another country. . >> i think taking out tens of thousands of them, stopping the recruiting and president obama listening to his military leaders when today say all of them pretty much, including the ones that have left the administration, who worked under both bush and obama, what you're doing is mission impossible, that is something that we can start with. >> i don't want to give you a eyeography lesson, katy, when you say who chunks of the middle east, that's ridiculous. >> you don't think syria and iraq are huge chunks of the middle east. >> they have been won and lost over countless tens of centuries. >> i don't know what happened here. >> thank god katie wore her boots. >> we can agree on one thing and that is terror is at a minimum a

to-year war, panetta is right on that. but that shouldn't want us to destroy them completely. you're right that this thing is on going, but so is like getting up in the morning and going to the gym. killing terrorists is adjust just like going to the squlim. we get up and we make our life a little better u we have the best killing machine in the history of the world, this is what it is made for to eradicate evil, and evil will always be here, that's the nature of the world. it's our responsibility to eradicate a threat to america. and they are a threat to america. >> they're a direct threat to the united states of america and our military is ready, willing and able to serve. we don't have a draft in this country. we don't have to force people to serve. >> i thinkagreeing on the same thing, we're just disagreeing on the method of doing it. >> military commanders have said that's not going to work.

>> we have done 400 air strikes in six months, how about 200 a day. when we went into iraq, we -- i think there were more than 100 air strikes to the first day in iraq. we have done 400 in six months. >> but all the credible experts agree that this is not working, it is woefully insufficient to get the job done. the former head of the marine corps, bob, the head of central command, i mean leon panetta has said this, oliver north has said this, all of these military commanders who are both retired and currently serving have said, martin dempsey came in front of congress and said if air strikes do not work, we will have to send in ground troops, achnd th american people have said they support air strikes, and if they fail which they are failing -- >> how do you say that?

>> they are moving on. i mean they are about to take another city. >> and raising the flag. >> if i was in new jersey, i would be worried about it. >> you know what? you make a joke about this, but this is a real threat to the united states. >> the americans shouldn't have to go and fight a war they should be fighting. >> but they want to. >> giver them a chance. >> the military is more than happy to see the military concerned about them, but they are more than happy to do this, they are trained to do this. it may be a holy war for our political te military as well as for them. >> they want to be part of this, they want to fight for freedom and liberty and for the gains we achieved in the middle east. >> let's talk about bob's favorite suggest, the administration, president obama,

once again biden is the new bob and this is what he had to say, suggesting last week that turkey, the uae ask -- >> the allies in our region are our largest problem in syria, the turks were great friends t saudis, the emeratis, ths, they were so determined to take down assad, and to have a sunni shiia war, what did they do? they poured hundreds of millions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of weapons into the people who would fight assad. but the people who were deployed were al qaeda. >> he was right about a lot of things, we don't really know who we were supplying, we don't know who we were arming and that's part of the problem. it offended some of the arab coalitions, so he had to make

the official analogy, but he was right. you know how i feel about these things. you say what you mean, you mean what you say, achktd if you have to apologize -- >> you know what's interesting, though? i have been on this planet for a long time, 20 years. no one ever apologizes to america, nobody ever says, hey, guys, sorry we sent those terrorists to your country. we have to al approximately zwriz for exporting values that make you live longer. >> and let's also say that what biden said, if anyone here can factually say that isis has not funded terrorism, what joe said was the truth, the problem is he shouldn't have said it. >> it doesn't help the coalitions that a love sandwich trying to make this work out. >> wbob, i actually completely

agree with you, some of these countries are offended that we actually accuse them of funded terrorists. >> if he doesn't apologize, exactly what happens, i'm not sure. >> the coalition falls apart. >> will they really fall apart? >> they are looking for any reason to leave the coalition. >> it should be stronger than that, it's unfortunate, isn't it? ahead on "the five", an american is arrested for trying to aid isis.

so imagine you're throwing a party and some obnoxious guest wants to leaf. do you stop him or do you jail him in your garage? of course not, you toss him out like the stinky garbage he is. which is common consistency. i like the guy who was busted at chicago o'hare. if convicted, he'll face 15 years in jail, which really means two, and thanks to prison,

when he leaves, he'll be lean and lawyerly. and while in jail, i doubt he'll convert to buddhism. so i say you let to the guy go, follow him to jihadi land. the tracer that leads you to the target, he's the sqeet. unlike those who come here and stay with shar ia in mind. as the self appointed sally struthers of infidel support, i'll buy the first one-way ticket to paradise myself. think about it, for just pennies a day, you too can eliminate a dirt bag, and we'll send you a picture of your martyr once he's achieved nirvana.

there is a logic to keeping him here because there's a fear that if he goes, he'll come back. but aren't we smart enough that when he goes, we can follow him? >> apparently not, because the problem that we're facing is that we can't keep these guy s from coming back to the united states. because the way the law is written, we can't revoke their passports because -- president -- stripping of citizenship and therefore the passports and they can't come back. i don't mind letting them go, but we need to work on keeping them there aspect. but maybe the drone can fire from the airplane. >> why do you put a gps on a person, take their phone, put something on there, trace them, drone them, something laharming like that. >> you're the brains of this show. >> i'm so constrained that i have to sit here from 5 to 6, the things i could do. >> an example of the guest being

thrown out of the party, i was many, many times and they should have let me keep going. i agree with you completely. here's the good news about all this, we disagree on how to deal with this right now, but all the major jihadists in the world are gathering for their conventions, in a relatively small area, whether you decide you want to do it with troops, whether you should do it with troops. and the idea that we can't track these guys is silly. >> why not track him? this guy, the flight that he was boarding was going to go to turkey. at least the turks could follow him, it's notli looiike he's goo find his way into afghanistan or pakistan, but look, he left a note for hiss parents saying he wanted to fight for isis because u.s. taxes were being used to kill his muslim brothers. at that point, i'm going to agree with katie and ted cruz, you relinquish your citizenship

at that moment. if you' ee're treasonist. >> any other country, they lack the moral will to be able to do something and say listen, you have committed an act of treason against your country, give me your passport, your citizenship is reskrovokedrevoked, so be it. >> every european country has that. >> they don't let anybody come bag. >> i know you're a -- >> they did it and then they learned their lesson. >> but it's too late. the genie is out of that bottle. >> you know, the fbi is tracking these people, they're tracking them after they go fight for isis and come back to the united states and they're saying that they can't necessarily arrest them. >> what about a porous border, they can walk right over from

mexico. >> anybody else on 60 minutes said we have our eye on 12. >> that's the 12 that they know about. >> he said that he knew about all of them and there are 12. it's not like congress would not know about them. >> there's this other interesting weird dooevelopment. this has got to be the first -- isis and their sympathizers were threatening an air force pilot and his son on facebook. they're sworn by simple thidsers. this is a new thing, and i don't know how serious you take it, but the fact that they are encourage i encouraging -- >> it's proven already, that somebody is listening in, this guy is oklahoma, all of a sudden you find out that he probably got a lot of his information in

those terror networks and web page s. i have been the toughest one on this show on muslims. >> radical muslims. jihadists. >> jihad this. >> i was talking about this thing when nobody else was talking about it. and what i wasn't doing was leading the military campaign to get over there. i want you to do that, i think you would be great at it. >> i'm all got it. >> and i would like to military families to stay off of social media and facebook. >> really? >> i want them to be safe. >> why run from trolls? >> find a way to serve, find a way to get after them. >> they have to use facebook to talk to their husbands and wives who are away, you know? >> privacy settings. change them. >> screw these people. screw these people that are harassing them. >> use skype. >> don't let them stop you from what you're doing.

>> why don't we eliminate them so we don't have this problem anymore? >> every one of them. coming up, is one of america's most popular tv shows islamophobic? what some are saying about homeland when he come back.

. well, you all know by now homeland is one of my favorite tv shows. watch. >> we should go. >> wait. wait.

[ gunshots ] >> season four kicked off sunday, the leader is a cia agent now stationed in pakistan. most critics love homeland but some are calling it isl islamophobic. it's a tv show. >> yeah. >> point out the writer is an activist who writes for the socialist worker. so it's not about islam. it's not about islam, it's about being anti-west. this is somebody that is accusing this show, which is

approximately for the united states of racism. homeland perpetuates raci racistism -- the accusation of bigotry always arrives as a defense against hate facts. these are the facts that you hate because you cannot dispute them. you cannot dispute so you have to call everybody racist. >> four seasons now, there's a lot of things that are very, very close to what's really going on in the world and maybe that scares people who are worried about islamo phobia. >> maybe they need to distinguish that this is a television show, and if there are exaggerations or things that are not true it's because the show isn't true and it's written by people based on maybe world events, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's true. islamophobic as well. there's plenty it of literature that you can look at that's based on world events and you

can pull these events outs based on islam or other situations. >> it's so close to reality that they feel -- >> maybe it's so close to reality that they're uncomfortable as greg said about some of the truth coming out about what they're all about. >> what's going on at the same time is not an issue. it is a tv show. but it's going on at a time when we're at war. >> yesterday we showed you ben affleck on a panel with bill maher, last night bill o'reilly weighed on in that debate. >> militant islam continues to draw world wide terrorism and there are plenty of sanctuaries from which to commit their evil. ben affleck should well understand that he himself would be beheaded in a heart beat by these isis animals and that even though they are the most extreme element of the jihad, they're not that far away from their fanatical cousins. >> here's the problem i have. islam is a religion.

people keep saying oh, you're racist. race is talking about a religion? they're making these blanket statements, getting hysterical, throwing it out there instead of understanding the history, understanding the news, what's going on and the different facets of it. so they're speaking in a way that i find to be very ignorant. >> people are saying if you have a big issue with this you could be racist instead of islamo f islamophobic, is one worse than the other? >> this is a religion that these people follow that are killing a religious people, christians, who were there before many of them. >> but they're also killing muslims. muslims are killing more muslims than christians. the interesting thing about the writer, "the washington post" article and ben affleck is they don't mention radical islam's attack on women and interesting thing also about the article in the "washington post" is the

woman mentions that one of the creators is jewish, i wonder why she puts that in there. >> if we're going to be consistent with western values, both liberals and conservatives, if people like ben affleck are going to be speaking out about gay rights-zbloe this is all in the name of a religion, abusing sharia law and all the interpretation of the koran in these heinous crimes they're committing. >> after we talked about this yesterday, did you see bill maher explain what he was really saying? he didn't walk back his comments, but he wanted to explain to all his fans i guess who are giving him a hard time, why he seemed so weak and so shallow. >> i think his point is, if you're a liberal, you should defend liberal beliefs. and also if you wanted to make clear that he thinks all religion is stupid, he just

finds at this moment islam is the most potentially harmful or radical islam is the most potentially harmful of the religions. >> the wider community worldwide is beginning to speak out and that's a good sign. up next, is colorado's governor second guessing the state's decision to legal itize pot? we'll have that when we come back.

a lot of folks in colorado are happy the state became the first to legalize marijuana in 2012. john hickenlooper says it wasn't such a good idea and is warning other governors to think twice. >> a number of other states are looking at what colorado has done with regard to recreational

marijuana. >> there is not enough data and to a certain extent you could say it was reckless. i'm not saying it was reckless because i'll get quoted everywhere. if it was up to me, i wouldn't have done it. i have been opposed to it from the beginning. >> i'll say it's reckless. >> so bob, there are three other states, washington, d.c., alaska and oregon are putting it on the ballot this november. >> the problem with studies and facts about marijuana and alcohol, there are so many varying studies that you can find. the idea that there's a -- and that it is addictive, having been down that root myself many times, it is not. whether it does corrode certain parts of your brain. a lot of things do. kimberly does once in a while. >> i definitely corrode your

brain. >> this guy said we needed more facts. facts are facts are facts. greg you have some facts. >> there's a lot of studies that come out, it's true with bob, the percentage of drinker who is become alcoholics is higher than the percentage of pot smokers who become heavy users. pot's affect on iqs, they have been saying it lowers your iq. but it may have been the behaviors, as someone who tends to smoke a lot of dope miss the key information that would help on an iq test. the fact is pot does affect your brain, and that's why you shouldn't do it all day, just like booze, sugar and cable tv, all of them will destroy you if you do it 24/7. >> i want to bring up the study, which is one of the most expensive studies doy ies done marijuana in the past 20 years. one in sixteen marijuana users

become dependent on marijuana if they use it on a regular basis. intellectual development is impaired for heavy using teengs, it doubles the risk of developing psychotic disorders, including schizophrenia, this is a 20-year study. >> i hate to use a pun, it's a rehash. >> a rehash? >> i just wentthrou through som the things that disprove -- i'm sorry, go ahead. >> no, no, no, this is a great debate. you're engaged in it. i'm happy to hear your voice. >> the percentage of drinkers that become alcoholics is higher. if you look at the percentage of those who die in car crashes, the -- maybe 18% had pot, so they also might have been drinking at the same time. to you can't even put that on pot. let's just add one little weird theory, jacob stallen who's a brilliant writer, marijuana

impairs driving less dpraukly than booze. if it's substituted for booze, you might actually see more traffic fatalities, as marijuana consumption increases. links that perhaps to the fact that maybe more people are smoking. >> but when you think about driving, think about the other crimes that are committed, or people using it as a gateway drug into other more harder drugs. >> let me give you the fiscal side of things. >> yeah, numbers. >> tax revenue has gone up in colorado, it probably would go up in any state that legalized it. and if you don't go so far as legalizing, it you probably are going to see a push to decriminalize it in states which means you'll save a ton of money

with overoccupied prison systems, jail systems at the state level. >> which is the democratic-libertarian argument. >> this guy says it's addictive. being an addict myself, addiction means when your drug of choice is removed, there's a physical reaction to it, or you have to go through the dts to get through it. i have yet to see in all my years of working with drug addicts and alcoholics, i have never seen people getting the joness off of marijuana. >> but you see people -- >> not so innocent. >> i think alcohol is the biggest gateway drug there is. i never did anything bad until i started drinking. >> we're all going to need a drink after the show, i'm sure. >> i'm buying. >> coming up next, who are the most generous people in america? the wealthy or the poor? and where do they live in red states or blue states?

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wealthy who are charitable in this country. more americans actually increased donations to charity while their incomes were going down. the wealthy decreased their donations. the states that gave the most all happen to be the red ones. the top five are alabama, mississippi and utah is number one. eric, you were suggesting about utah what? >> the people you saw there, they're heavily mormon population and they tithe, they give a lot of their incomes. >> 20%. >> the top 1%, the top even 1% to 5% have done very well the last couple of years, i'm surprised to see them back off their giving. it's probably a raw number, in other words they're probably giving the same percentage, but they're not giving -- i'm sorry, they're giving the same amount, but not the same percentage of their income, so as their income is going up --

>> they're just not giving as much money. >> this is the number that actually caught my yaeye is the $200,000 a year. they're maybe not donating the extra money they had to charity because now they're dealing with a lot of government regulations, obama care is a big one. so i don't think they're actually not being generous given what they are to deal with it. >> it's what do you call the stockholm syndrome. now greg, your giving as gone up? >> here's my theory on the difference between income -- the richer you get, the more it might be reflective of an education and the more educated you are, you tend to be les

religious, we see that trend happening, charity is often the product of a community which is often bound together by faith and that races the question, what happens when religion declines, what replaces religion in terms of tying a community together and encouraging charity, somebody got to figure that out because it doesn't look good. >> what greg was saying about mormons, they do tithe, 20% of their income goes to the church and charity. they do wonderful things. >> i was trying to support your point. >> i was saying that romney was such a good man, but it didn't matter. >> i know. i got so upset about it. >> you notice the other four in the top five were all southern states? the people in the south. >> always have been. >> it was the war of northern aggression and don't suggest that it's over. they're simply waiting for resupplies? >> what are you talking about? >> just what you were talking

about, when you take up the whole segment talking about obama care. >> i'm just saying that people who makea much money, $200,000 number are typically people who are giving other people jobs. and when they have extra money, think have extra charity money. >> that's not the point of this seg mngment segment. >> bob, it's a good point. here's the deal, that's what happens. >> that was a very tough thing to say right there. it was a gut shot. i really don't appreciate it. okay, now. normally my blocks last 90 ur minutes. >> i got to put up with you guys all week long, being outnumbered. what? okay, now let's go. one more thing is up next.

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>> no comment. >> joe biden, is he a movie star? >> who is joe biden? >> joe biden? i don't know who that is. >> all right, do they all vote? >> so 272 points down in the dow today, a lot going on on the fox business network, you should check it out if you get a chance to. europe getting a little bit weak, china also saying their growth projections may back off a little bit. take a look at the growth chart, a year and a day to the s&p. basically it turns into the stock market, probably has a little bit more to go south, maybe 500 to 1,000 points south. if you're an investor or looking to investigative, give it a little bit. it's time for greg's sports

corner. >> it's a good one, we have got the international kangaroo fight championship. in a typical ritualized fight where you have high standing posture, locking forearms in wrestling. by the way, they were fighti ii for a parking space. >> let's come back to me. an interesting kangaroo fact. a kangaroo releases no flatulence, which is methane, scientists are now interested in france fairing the bacteria in kangaroos and transferring it to cattle. kangaroos because they can't pass wind may save our planet. ladies and gentlemen -- >> you're about to make me throw up. >> this is the weirdest show. >> and i'm following up your kangaroos with my sandwich. i love dog lovers around here.

i'm not one of them. but i want to show you what happens when these cute little dogs, look what they do to this poor guy, they bring him down, that one's got his ear. a gut shot in the middle, that one's got the hand. these are little puppies, imagine when they get big, they're going to ruin the whole neighborhood. >> this has now become animal planet. >> i have an announcement, winter is coming, it is flu season and cold season, if you're going to cough or sneeze either in your home, in public or on public transportation, you do not do this into your hands, you sneeze into your elbow and your bicep, you're helping everyone stay clean, you're helping everyone stay healthy. just make sure you sneeze in your elbow and not in your hand, thank you very much. >> what do you do if your bicep is too big? >> before we go, we're

celebrating an anniversary here today on fox. that's it for us, special report is next. our american air strikes against isis terrorists getting the job done? turkey's president says no, as militants prepare to rampage through a crucial border town. this is special report. >> good evening, i'm brett baier, we're live in beautiful denver, with the rocky mountains behind us. very sunny out here, we'll be looking at one of the most important senate races in november. it could decide who will take control of the senate this year. also the tight governor's race here. and we'll talk to a panel of local political experts, all of that is coming up. but