>> this is "outnumbered," i'm andrea tantaros, and here today harris faulkner, sandra smith, jedediah, and hasag one lucky guy, stephen hayes, and he is outnumbered. welcome back. >> i'm feeling outnumbered. >> excellent to have you. [laughter] >> in a good way. >> it couldn't have been that bad, because you did come back. >> i did. i enjoyed myself the first time. >> and you were up all night. >> i was, i may not make a lot of sense to today. i was writing until the wee hours of the morning, so if i don't make sense, some people will say that's me every day. [laughter] forgive me. >> it's an important piece you're working on. >> i think it'll be interesting. >> you're going to tell us at end of the show if you like us better or bret baier. >> well, i went to college with bret baier. >> prostitution scandal raising questions of a possible white house cover up in the runup to

the 2012 presidential election. "the washington post" reporting it knew it wasn't just secret service agents who had partied with prostitutes ahead of the president's visit to colombia in 2012. a member of the advance team also had a call girl in his hotel ram, ram, and that's not - room, and that's not the only bombshell, an investigatorrer says he was told to keep a lid on his findings until after the election. the white house dismissing the report as old news. but gop congressman jason chaffetz says he's not buying that. >> the white house needs to come clean. this -- there's a white house staffer that was very involved in this. remember, there were nearly two dozen secret service and military personnel that were either fired or reprimanded, but the concern is that when it came to the white house and the white house taking care of its own personnel, a totally different standard and perhaps misdirection and some cover up to make sure that that story never saw the light of day before the 2012 elections.

>> the congressman demanding the white house turn over all documents related to its counsel's review of the incident by october 24th. chief white house correspondent ed henry from the north lawn. ed? >> reporter: good to see you, andrea. look, white house officials do note in their defense that senate republicans were investigating this back in 2012 and did not find any evidence to suggest that a white house person was involved. and so they're certainly pointing that out. but as you point out, the secret service had several agents who had their careers derailed over this, and here what's new is that "the washington post" is saying they have some hotel records that suggest a white house advance volunteer -- not a paid staffer, but a volunteer -- who was reimbursed for travel expenses, jonathan dack, about 25 years old, was involved, did sign a prostitute into his room at his hotel. and what's interesting about this is that jay carney at the white house podium when all of

this was happening repeatedly told me and other journalists that there was no white house connection. listen. >> there are no, to my knowledge, and have been no credible or specific allegations of misconduct by any member of the white house advance team or white house staff. but out of due diligence, this review was conducted, and there is no indication that, of any misconduct. >> reporter: now, he said that review was conducted by the white house counsel at the time. in that same briefing, i repeatedly pressed jay carney on whether she looked at any hotel records as the secret service looked at records from the hotel in order to implicate their officials, and jay carney would not answer that question repeatedly. interesting, because rum bler now, her name is being bantied about as being on the short list to replace eric holder as the attorney general. if she is nominated, you can bet republicans on the hill and in confirmation hearings will be looking for more documents as you suggested. i mentioned jonathan dack who

was the white house advanced volunteer involved in this, he now works at the state department in the office of global women's issues. guys? >> oh, wow. you just can't make that up. ed henry, thank you so much. >> reporter: good to see you. >> stephen, there's so many angles to this story, of course; the safety and security of the president, the potential cover up by the white house and the hypocrisy about women's issues. what strikes you the most about this story? >> i think the apparent disparate treatment between the secret service agents, many of whom lost their jobs, lost their careers and this young advance person for the white house. i mean, if it's the case that the white house's own investigation didn't find anything on him, wasn't able to confirm the allegations at the time, it seems apparent now with the benefit of hindsight and looking at what "the washington post" has produced in the way of hotel records and other things that the white house just wasn't looking very hard. maybe they didn't want to find what they knew was true. >> uh-huh. and, harris, very disturbing if

it's true that they wanted this to wait until after the midterm elections so there was a cover up for political purposes to cover the white house's duff. >> no doubt. we have seen how much play it gets when the secret service messes up. i mean, look at what's happened in recent weeks with the white house breach and so forth. you can understand why they'd want to keep a scandal under wraps because that becomes a bigger story, the idea of protecting a president. but with this young man who wasn't part of the detail necessarily, but a volunteer, it's explained to these guys when they come from college that you repthe first lady. you are an extension of the secret service by reputation if nothing else. so for him to get a pass is really interesting because his dad is a big democrat donor. there are just some key points that as a journalist i would want to ask about some of the consistencies and inconsistencies in this story. and when david asked about why

are we redacting his name in the documents we're going to release in our report, he and another fellow were put on administrative leave for asking those questions. so, again, as a journalist it just makes me want to press in and ask more questions about who is this young man and does it matter -- >> maybe they should have been asking those questions in a white house investigation that only turned up what they wanted to hear at the time if these recent allegations hold to be true. here's what i'm going to say, is that cause and effect might be the point here. you bring up the recent incident, case in point the fence jumper entering the white house. according to current and former employees, including "the washington post," low morale among secret service led to some of those recent incidents, that led -- that low morale the result of some cover-ups that have happened, this potential cover-up that happened in the past. so i thought that was a really interesting angle. >> and that's to your point, stephen. if you're going to penalize

secret service agents but then give a break to a high dollar donor, jedediah. so it's not just covering the president's butt before elections, it's covering someone who's donated heavily -- >> the son of that person. >> the son of that person. and then promoting him, by the way, to be at the state department to run, oh, foreign affairs for women in the state department. i mean, really. and this is all that we know that he did. we don't even know what else he could have done. i want you to hit on something, and that is that woman angle. i think this tells us exactly how the white house feels about women. >> and they'll be the same ones coming out talking about a war on women. and i think republicans need to bring this stuff up and need to call them out on their hypocrisy. republicans let this stuff go all the time. call them out on this. this guy should not have a job doing that. now, in terms of election politics, i don't know why they covered this up. i think coming to terms with it -- i don't know if that would have made a big difference in terms of elections, that people would have held them accountable for this in that way.

but they don't realize the constant deceit is what hurts them. they don't realize it's a problem to lie about manager and have months later it come out and this administration be viewed as an administration that doesn't tell people the truth, that doesn't do proper investigation, that isn't concerned about investigating these kinds of atrocities and then putting those people in charge of things that make no sense. they're making themselves targets. republicans, take it. run with it. talk about the war on women. use it against them. >> i think this is one of the reasons we're seeing the obama presidency sort of crumble in front of us. you saw the sound bite from jay carney who said with some assurance, look, the white house didn't have anything to do with this. there have been no specific and credible allegations there was white house involvement. remember, he said exactly the same thing about benghazi and the shaping of those talking points. absolutely no white house involvement, no white house or state department involvement, and then, of course, we turned up 100 pages of e-mails that showed there was serious white house and state department involvement. so it's a credibility problem. >> the irs scandal as well, when

the president said heads are going to roll. >> right. >> well, from one blame game to another, president obama trying to blame the media now for his low poll numbers. at a fundraiser this week where he to thed a rebounding -- he touted a rebounding economy, he reportedly said, quote: the press and washington, all it does is speed cynicism. most of you don't know the statistics i just gave you, and that awz's because they elicit hope, and that's not what we hear about. we hear about how washington will never work. new york times reporter james risen says he's been targeted by the white house for years in an attempt to get information from sources for a book he wrote. quote, i think obama hates the press, i think he doesn't like the press, and he hates leaks. andrea? >> i think the president doesn't like anybody who criticizes him whether you're in the media or not, or whether you're a

conservative group -- we just mentioned the irs scandal. it's never successful to criticize people who buy ink by the barrel, that's been an old campaign saying. it really isn't. but what good news is the president talking about? he's referencing -- the good news doesn't get out there. whether it's the economy or foreign affairs, what's the media supposed to be covering? they've been covering his behind, i think, for a long time until recently. and by the way, at this same event he went after republicans for protecting the rich. this was a high dollar fund raiser, over $30,000 a plate, and we just saw today that president obama leads the way when it comes to protecting a rich donor's son. i think there's two americas, the ones who are connect to the white house and the people who aren't. >> well, the president did, stephen, in this particular speech go through, and he cherry picked a handful of data he thinks the media should be touting as far as good news on the economy. he left out that ten million americans have given up looking for work over the course of his

term in office and $7 trillion has been added to the national debt. >> yeah. well, it's not the first time the president has cherry picked information, but if president obama thinks that the media have been a problem for him, he's sorely mistaken. [laughter] >> right. >> look at the way the media, the media, in fact, haven't as a general proposition been covering these scandals and certainly haven't been obsessed. i think we would know a hot more about the -- a lot more about the indisputable targeting of conservative groups had the mainstream media shown some curiosity about what happened there. and it was certainly the case where benghazi. >> harris, allow me to back up stephen's point. pew research found four out of ten stories, editorials and op eds have been clearly positive. two out of ten were positive for bush. >> well, and so that's what's positive. i want to talk about what's missing. have you noticed since his numbers have come could down in polling, the media research center has looked at all the

stories about polling, about the president's approval and disapproval, have managed from the alphabet soup networks,abc, cbs and nbc. [laughter] to your point, andrea, in terms of president and this donor talk that he gave, he said, you know, they're not telling you about the numbers about the economy because those numbers would give hope. again, he's talking to people who paid $1,000 a ticket to sit there. they don't need financial hope. >> yep. >> so who's he preaching to? >> he could read "the cat in the hat" to that group -- [laughter] >> they would love him! >> he could sit there and go -- and they'd go, wow. >> what he's also saying, though, is people are a bunch of dummies. he's saying you're too stupid to realize that you're out of work. so he thinks people are sitting and looking at statistics. they've been looking for jobs. >> he also thinks we in the media are pretty stupid too. we're just sitting back, waiting like lemmings to smelt waiting for him to deal out whatever he

wants us to say, and it doesn't work like that. >> well, there's some evidence for that -- [laughter] >> well, it's all the media's fault, that's for sure. well, health officials announcing new screening procedures at u.s. airports to try to protect the american people from the deadly ebola virus, but will it be enough? and one u.s. school district is doing away with the term "boys and girls" to be more gender inclusive. wait until you hear what they now want teachers to call students. and right after the show, get more from the couch on the web by logging on to foxnews.com/outnumbered. click on the overtime tab with questions, comments and tell us what you want to hear about. >> i like your belt. ♪ ♪ i have a cold.

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dulles, chicago o'hare and hartsfield, atlanta. screeners will take passengers' fevers -- temperatures and ask them questions. anyone will then be sent to a, quote, cdc quarantine station public health officer. would any of that have caught thomas duncan, the patient who died yesterday? reportedly, he showed no symptoms on arrival here and reportedly lied when asked in liberia if he'd had contact with any ebola patients. we know from later reporting that a woman had died, a pregnant woman, who he helped carry, transport to get help just a short time before he traveled. oh, and by the way, there's some other breaking news that i want to inject into the conversation now. nearly 200 airline cabin cleaners have now walked off the job, striking over health and safety issues that include fears over possible exposure to ebola. that's at laguardia airport here in new york, jfk,

laguardia, you've got striking workers carrying signs and so forth. so that's part of the coverage this morning too. so my big question now is where do we go from here, stephen? >> the white house needs to get everybody on the same page. the thing we heard from dr. frieden yesterday was meant to reassure the country that everything was going to be fine, they understood the threats, they understood the problems, and i think what people took away from that -- as this breaking news suggests -- is that things aren't okay, that the government doesn't really have its ducks in a row and it's going to require more planning. >> yeah. and this is complicating when you talk about the people who were actually tasked with cleaning the planes. we have a situation in newark where a gentleman and his little girl had traveled enroute, he was getting sick in the bathroom, somebody has to clean that up. he turned out not to have ebola, but if the communication isn't right with these worker, they're fearful. >> that's been the fear all the

long, hospital workers walking off the job, airline workers walking off the job, but, look, i've been hearing a lot of criticism about the airport screenings, and i'm not quite sure why. even if it hadn't caught duncan because he wasn't showing outward symptoms, who cares? what if it catches one person? i mean, isn't it worth it? >> yeah. >> so i'm not sure why -- i understand it could slow things down at the airport, there might be some added costs involved, but i'm for any added measure for security for people traveling into this country. >> you bring up a good point and, you know, i have to ask this because i wonder why did it take so long to even get to this point in and if we're lagging behind on taking temperatures, what are we too slow on now? >> well, i'm going to go back to what leon panetta said in his criticism of president obama which is he approaches problems more like an academic. this is the exact criticism from representative pete sessions of dallas when it comes to the president's handling of ebola. while i think there was probably some academics doier put

together, there's things that you can plan for and other things you don't anticipate like workers saying i'm not going to clean this up or just not showing up for work in hospitals. and stephen's absolutely right, and i lovedded your comments on "special report" last night. the contradictions coming out of the cdc and the kooky logic. when he was asked about limiting flights, his logic, his rationale was if we did that, it would actually make ebola worse. now, i don't know where you deduce that, but if one more person comes down or contracts ebola, i think the administration's not going to have a choice. >> and i think going back to sandra's point, i think the problem isn't necessarily people have a problem with these additional measures, it's there's a concern they're not enough. why not actually ban travel from these countries and do it now if you think that these measures won't be that effective. >> one of complaints is people are saying in the airports they're not being trained properly, so that would be the top priority on my list. the reason people are running from these jobs is they're not trained or equipped to deal with

circumstances, so give them the tools they need to the make them feel secure and comfortable, and then maybe people won't be running from the jobs. >> that's necessary. they are our first line of defense now as people route through different countries and areas and airports to try to get here for whatever reason, to be with family, to access our health care, we don't know. >> you have jimmy carter criticizing the president on ebola, you know you're not doing a great job. >> all right. we'll report the news as it happens. new campaign ads attacking house minority leader nancy pelosi. have you heard about this? they're not coming from republicans. why some in pelosi's own political party are distancing themselves from the liberal leader and what it could mean for the midterm elections. and it's no secret men dominate politics. big numbers here to look at. and they're new, and they're now giving us the full picture from the county level all the way to the white house. pretty stunning. ♪ ♪ you're driving along,

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andrea, i have to laugh when you have democrats saying i voted against nancy pelosi. it's wonderful, isn't it? >> i have a soft spot in my heart for it. >> it's great. but democrats, i feel, have to become less like democrats. i find them sounding a lot like republicans whether you're talking about the second amendment, coal, obamacare, they love to distance themselves from the far left. is that what's happening here? >> they love to co-op republican lingo and cloak republic policies in republican speak. and we even saw president obama do it when he talked about personal responsibility. they take ownership of nothing. >> yeah. >> i do love their running away from nancy pelosi. she's been an excellent fundraising tool for republicans over the years -- [laughter] but to see her starring in democrat ads just tells you exactly, i think, the state of the party. >> steve, do you think it's just a rejection of career politicians? up times you'll see republicans in the same way speaking out

against josh boehner, a rejection -- john boehner, a rejection of the establishment. democrats view nancy pelosi, harry reid as that establishment that people are rejecting right now. >> yeah, i think that's part of it, but these are democrats running in republican-leaning districts. there is nothing more toxic than nancy pelosi, except for president obama. so if i were running their campaigns, doing their ads, i would be saying the exact same thing. >> right. >> run as far away as you can because people are frustrated with washington, with ip couple becomes -- inconsistent bents and democrats. >> we have a poll by gallup based on those extremely motivated to vote, and 44% of those -- we have that up for you -- are republicans. 25% are democrats. that's a pretty big difference. is that going to be the big difference in the midterm election voting coming up? >> i don't know if those numbers will hold per se, but it does speak to the issue we're talking about here, and that is the fact

that democrats doseem to to morph into something a little bit more moderate, if you will, and closer to republicans. and as far as nancy pelosi is concerned, she represents the party's brand. i mean, obamacare, right? and she really represents that arm of the party that can raise a ton of money for the party. but, you know, daniel, the spokesperson for the republican national congressional committee, said, oh, these democrats are hypocrites. the only way that they can really push away from congresswoman pelosi is if they stop taking money. >> yep. >> from what she's raising for the party. and if they push back on those fundraising dollars, that will really show that they don't want to be part of her. but that's not going to happen. they're not going to push back too much on that brand because that brand dips cash into their candidate. >> going back to those numbers that you just showed, that margin was very similar to 2010 when, of course, republicans had strong gains in the house. so if you're asking if that's any indication of what's to come, possibly. we could use history as an

indication of what may result. i wonder, though, going back to this point about nancy pelosi being tied to, of course, obamacare, so we can just pass this thing so we can find out what's in it, i wonder if this is more republicans running on -- using nancy pelosi so they can seek that referendum on obamacare specifically, tying her to that. >> yeah. well, certainly, republicans -- there's been some coverage lately that republicans have not run on obamacare as much. that's not true in many of of the most important senate races in particular and some of the competitive house cases. they're using obamacare, nancy pelosi, they're using these things that represent the brand of democrats and tie candidates to the president and to washington. >> yep. >> uh-huh. and she represents san francisco which is -- [laughter] >> not exactly in tune with average america. all right, it's no secret that men dominate politics, but now stunning new numbers show by just how much. research shows that 71% of 43,000 people who hold office from the county level all the

way up to the white house are men and just 29% are women. now, that's nowhere near reflective of the u.s. population which is 49 % men, 51% women. so, sandra, this is nothing new. they always talk about women as minorities. however, we're actually the majority now. and women aren't running as much for office as they used to be. they have families, careers and, frankly, after what parties have done to female candidates like sarah palin, i don't blame -- >> we have more women graduating from college, more women buying homes than men. women are definitely coming out, but it's not showing up in politics which i think is a are telling story. problem i have is ceo of the women donors' network saying the american people understand that we need to change the system to have truly reflective and effective democracy. it's statements like that that i think are extremely harmful to society, andrea, to demand that women be put into office in larger numbers. no. if women want to be there,

they'll run and win on their own merits. >> yeah. >> but to actually demand that the numbers be there creates big problems. we've seen it show up in business and schools, etc. >> what are the specific changes? what are you going to do, have quotas? >> right. >> for elected officials? look, the obvious thing sitting here being outnumbered as i am -- [laughter] the obvious thing for me to say in this position is this overrepresentation of men shows up in just how screwed up our politics are. but i'm not going to say that because i don't think that that's necessarily the case. i think that women aren't running for office for the reasons that you all suggest. there are other things to do. men have long sought the kind of platform that elected office gives them to project power, and i think women aren concerned with -- some women are concerned with these things, but in many cases they're concerned with other things. >> i've worked for women in office, and i've worked for men in office. their governing styles are different, i will say, hat tip to the women. the women get things done much

quicker, it's less about ego. but, jedediah, what about party recruitment? do you think the republican party has done a good job in the past of recruiting women? are they having trouble? because democrats have traditionally done a better job. >> i think they could do better with outreach to the female community in general in terms of everything. but i would remind people just because you're a female politician ask you're a woman and your -- and you're a woman and your anatomy says that doesn't mean you're necessarily going to be an advocate for woman. you have to look at the person's policy. i don't really care about the gender so much, i care about what they want to do in the community and what their policy's going to look like, and that's what the priority needs to be. start thinking about what they're going to do and what's on their agenda. >> the reality is, harris, a lot of women they are taking care of the children, and it is tough to be a congresswoman and hold office and fly back and forth. it is. >> it's tough to do a lot of jobs and be a mom. i don't think that necessarily discounts any reason why you might want to run. i think you've hit on something there though, jedediah, and i see this also from the

perspective of race and culture. just was you share -- just because you share a demographic with someone doesn't mean you become their own and sole priority. >> right. >> i would also say that for women we tend to be, research shows -- and stephen always says i'm kind of a wonk when it comes to this stuff -- women are really driven to to solution. they don't enjoy the journey getting there as much as men do. so if that's the case, women may feel like, you know what? i don't want to get into policy and politics, maybe i can change the world in a different way. >> right. >> maybe that's not the course i necessarily want to take because people aren't listening to politicians anymore anyway. >> and you want people who want the job, so we don't want to be pressuring people -- >> you get republican and democrat women in a room on capitol hill, they can cop up with solutions much faster than the guys. true story. [laughter] isis now on the verge of a major victory in syria, battling over to take over a kurdish city despite intensifying airstrikes. a live report from the turkey/syria border. and do you plan on flying jetblue? why you may want to keep your

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♪ ♪ >> one jetblue passenger saying her tweets got her booted from if her flight home. the new hampshire mom says she was boarding the plane when she overheard a joke about the long delay. she took to twitter to describe what was happening, tweeting, quote: major debacle on flight 760 in philly. pilot accuses passengers of accusing him of being intox intoxicated. then philly/boston flight 760 grounded, false accusations by pilot that his sobriety was questioned by passengers. when it was time to board, the airline refused her to board the plane. >> because a pilot made a decision that my social media interaction with my friends and family was not appropriate, and

it was not going to be tolerated by him. >> jetblue tweeted a response saying we occasionally need to remove customers because of their actions at the gate or on the plane. tweets are rarely the reason. the passenger says jetblue refunded her ticket but refused to book her a new flight. by the way, this particular mother was flying home to see her mother who was recovering from breast cancer, i believe. and she was not allowed to rebook and board on a jet flu flight. andrea, do you agree with this move by the airline? >> i feel sorry for her, but the airlines can do pretty much whatever they want. so i phoned my brother who's a pilot for one of the major airlines, and i asked him about this, and he said, yeah. i mean, the man who accused the pilot of being drunk or making the joke really should have been the one that was not allowed to reboard, not this woman. but again, the airlines can ask ask certain passengers not to board this flight if they feel it's not in the best interests of the airline. and by the way, people, stop making pilot drunk jokes. these pilots take their jobs

very seriously, and they will ask you to leave. they hundreds of hours to get where they are, they're not going to jeopardize their lives -- >> a great point, andrea, and you have family experience with this. but, harris, i have to tell you as much as i know many of us fly, i'm shock that the airline acts this quickly, that they're actively monitoring their social media and go with can get to a flight and stop someone from boarding a plane. >> two weeks ago i was on a flight from d.c. to newark, and we background over something large enough for me to tweet on it. i mean, it scared the life out of everyone on the plane. they stopped, they wanted to inspect. i sent out a tweet about this and hashtag worried. i mean, within seconds i heard from that airline. already saying the plane's being cleared, you guys are taking off. >> really? >> i was getting the information on twitter faster than they had made the announcement in the plane that whatever the heck we hit wasn't all that big of a deal. my point is, pr is life or death for these corporations, and they understand that. they're on social media more than we are.

by the way, they can tell us to turn off our, if, if -- phones. >> and jetblue prides themselves on their customer service. >> i thought of you, though, because her tweets were very reporterrish. >> so you're saying i should have gotten kicked off the plane? [laughter] >> no, i don't think either of you should have gotten kicked off. i wouldn't have been talking about if somebody was drunk. that guy should have been thrown off the plane. but she was just putting an awareness out, and that's what any person, i think, would do in that situation. you become a little bit alarmed -- >> really? i'm having like a glass of chardonnay and eating three packs of peanuts. >> yeah, but at the same time -- [inaudible conversations] >> i can understand why the airline would be sensitive particularly with jokes about something like that. >> absolutely. >> having said that, it's way overboard to throw her off the flight because she was just telling people what she was seeing. >> what was going on. >> essentially filing witness reports. >> yep. >> and they had to throw her off the flight. i don't think there's anything the government should do about this or anything, but the kind

of backlash and bad publicity jetblue is getting, i think, serves 'em right. >> but they were being accused of having one of their pilots taking off -- >> and i can understand why they -- >> i mean, this is such a serious issue. >> she didn't accuse him of that. >> she said it was a false accusation. >> i know, but still just put the phone down. >> jedediah, you noticed how many people chimed in the right after those tweets that i put out? that's what they were worried about. >> from both sides on this couch. well, a massive wildfire destroying homes and putting thousands more in danger. the flames growing overnight, burning hundreds of acres in a state already battling a historic drought. the latest on efforts to coin town it. and -- contain it. and teachers in one district are being told to stop referring to their students as boys and girls. do we really need to stop referring to people by gender now? ♪ ♪

>> i may be outnumbered, but now it's my turn with this story. teachers in a nebraska school district are being told to stop calling their students boys and girls. instead, they're being

instructed to use more gender-inclusive terms like campers, readers, even purple penguins. [laughter] meantime, sweden has officially recognized the word hen as a gender-neutral term, even adding it to its online encyclopedia. isn't this a great moment for our country -- [laughter] >> why to you look at me and saying this? i am not raising penguins, let me just -- [laughter] my children are both girls, they are human beings. you know what worries me the most though? it teaches children not to be proud of who they are, that we're all supposed to be the same and that nobody can stand out and that being exceptional is not a good thing. it's almost like we're hearing on the political scape about exceptionalism with america. even as individuals we're not allowed to own our gender, we can't be who we are, and that's really disyou should thing. especially -- disturbing. especially for those of us who don't want to raise a penguin. >> a purple penguin.

>> nothing against our cold weather creatures. i like them too, just not in my house. >> so, sandra, all of this is being done, of course, in the interest of being nonjudgmental, not passing judgment. in fact, the superintendent of the school district, steve joel, said we're educating all kids, and we can't be judgmental. >> oh -- >> but isn't this being judgmental? >> by the way, in the same -- avoid using normal to define any behaviors. i think -- [laughter] i'd love to hear jedediah's expertise on this, but i'll sort of set it up like this. i'm trying to understand where they're coming from, because i don't want to rule out that somebody's not trying to do what's best for these kids at this school because i hope that's the end goal, to increase the level of the education that they're getting. maybe, like maybe at this level, jedediah, these kids, everything's boy, everything's girl, you do it this way because you're a boy and you do it this way because you're a girl, and maybe they're seeing that there's just too much identification of gender that's getting in the way of the way

that they're thinking and doing things that they're having these thoughts because i don't like the way it sounds either, steven, and i don't think i'd want that implemented for my children. >> that's the theory behind it, then it gets into the types of toys you play with and if you have recess, the types of activities that you assign and everything in school has become jenld or-specific. so that's what they're trying to avoid. with that being said, there are boys and girls, in society there are men and women. it's inaccurate to raise children believing that that is not the case. anatomically, we are different. let's be honest about that. that's just the way it goes. i will say this is probably going to come to america. i have sat in faculty rooms and meetings where this has been discussed where many people have been opposed to using these terms, so i would not be surprised if you saw in schools in lots of cities popping up this kind of ideology. >> it's in the united states already. >> yeah. >> i mean, the story we're talking about, one of them is in lincoln, nebraska, of all places. look, i think i that academia and the leftist propaganda has

for a long time tried to say women and men, we're the same, but we do do different things. we learn things differently, approach things differently, and i think that's the challenge of the teachers. also you don't want to wait young kids as the same especially once puberty starts. just saying you're all the same doesn't do, i think, a service to these kids. and by the way, is anyone worried about math and science nowadays, or is it just all -- >> no, exactly. well, and think about the parents in lincoln, nebraska, who have to come baaing and -- back and, i would argue, overcorrect. their kids go to school and get this nonsense, and the kids come home and the parents have to say, you know what? it's okay to be a boy. if you want to do your stereotypical boy thing and play with a truck, go ahead. >> or if you want to play with barbie. is this an extension of the war on women, i wonder too. by doing this, you're wiping away anything that would say be proud can be. >> no, this is an extension of the war on common sense. >> yeah. >> this is the war on

right-syncing people. it's just absurd. >> and just the fear of insulting everyone. let parents have those discussions. let parents deal with that. you don't need teachers now removing the very obvious fact that you have -- >> all right. one lucky penguin, though, right here. one lucky purple penguin. >> you're a camper. >> you've seen him without his shirt, and, no, i'm not talking about stephen hayes -- >> nobody wants that. >> save it for the commercial. >> vladimir putin in all his manly glory until you've seen how his supporters are celebrating his birthday. words really cannot describe it. ♪ ♪ [ female announcer ] we help make secure financial tomorrows a reality for over 19 million people. [ susan ] my promotion allowed me to start investing for my retirement. transamerica made it easy. [ female announcer ] everyone has a moment when tomorrow becomes real. transamerica.

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ukraine and riding an ox and the peaceful annexation of crimea. how do you feel looking at the pictures. >> this is not something we would normally see on special report. give it up to vladimar putin. you can see the pictures with his shirt off. he's pretty buff. >> oh, boy. good point. >> if i look like that at 62, i might walk around with my shirt off. i don't know if i will commission paintings of me as herculles. >> i am happy this is not happening with president obama. i don't need to see my president like this. >> what is going on? >> when president obama did take his shirt off, he was blufrjonned in the press. and also about the jeans by me. and who ever commissioned the artwork. this artist, did he have

a choice? it was all vladimar's idea and probably funded it. he is comfortable on i horse. i am surprised no horse paintings. >> his approval ratings is high. is that what he feels? his ego is not lacking and he feels loved. >> i think he's showing the world that look, i got this. he's moving in on different countries taking territory. >> or, >> i think it is political for him. >> or overcompensating because he is ensucure. >> you thought about this for a lot. >> i tike psychoanalis. >> he is just buy a corvette instead. >> that would be an american president. >> i ratherwatch it. >> all in front of your eyes, yieks.

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