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saturday morning and every saturday morning 11:30 a.m. eastern right here on the fox news channel. and of course please remember the spin stops right here because we're looking out for you. breaking tonight. fox news getting its hands on an explosive letter from the ft. hood gunman major nadal hassan sent to pope francis. the letter challenging the obama administration's continuing notion that hassan's murderous rampage was simply a case of workplace violence. hassan calling himself a soldier of allah. he talks about waging jihad. and wait until you hear what else. we are combing through the letter which our own catherine herridge has gotten her hands on at this very moment. much more on the dramatic revelations in just a minute. also breaking tonight, new
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allegations of a cover-up by the obama administration and a white house lie. welcome to "the kelly file." i'm megyn kelly. that's the allegation. flashback now to april 2012. president obama was up for re-election. he's headed to colombia for an economic summit. and no sooner does he arrive than a scandal explodes. a group of secret service agents accused of bringing prostitutes back to their hotel for parties that involved a lot of alcohol and then some. one big question at the time, was it just the secret service, or were white house staffers also involved? here's our ed henry and white house press secretary jay carney just ten days after the scandal broke. watch. >> did the white house council check the hotel records down in colombia to see if anyone else or white house staff -- >> i'm not going to get into the specifics. i would simply say that the
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review that the white house council oversaw and led produced no indication of any misconduct. >> i'm just saying did they check? >> there's been no specific allegation of misconduct. again, i'm not going to get into all the details of the review except to say that -- >> there's nothing there. >> because i am not going to describe every aspect of this review. i will simply say that the review's been conducted. there is no indication of any misconduct by any member of the white house advance team. >> really? no indication. there's no indication that any member of the white house advance team engaged in any improper conduct or behavior. well, tonight we know that was not true. there was an indication that a member of the white house advance team engaged in improper behavior. the secret service has told the white house as much. in fact, there was evidence. there wasn't just an indication, there was evidence including a hotel log that a white house aide who happened to be the son
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of a big democratic donor had invited a hooker into his hotel room into the very hotel where president obama would be staying. ten secret service agents would lose their jobs over similar allegations. that son of a democratic donor got a promotion after jay carney told us there's no indication that anyone on the white house advance team engaged in any misconduct. what's more, a whistleblower on the team investigating the scandal now says, and i quote, we were directed at the time to delay the report of the investigation until after the 2012 election. and the woman who appears to have known all of this, the one who the secret service went to with the information about this white house staffer, the one who apparently concluded there was no there-there, a lawyer by the name of kathrine rumler
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mentioned in recent weeks as a possible candidate for eric holder's replacement as attorney general of the united states, a position that believe it or not is supposed to be non-political. joining me now, fox news chief white house correspondent ed henry. ed. >> this is not about jonathan dock as you say an alleged mistake by this 20-something working at the white house. this is about candor and credibility at the white house. and jay carney in that clip was directly ducking that question as to whether or not kathrine rum ler, who was the white house council at the time investigated this thoroughly. did she look through the hotel records of the white house aides on the trip? which is what will the secret service aides had done to them and they got caught. bottom line is they may have gotten it and kicked the can down the road. but now if kathrine rumler is nominated, she's on the short list, republicans are promising
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they will demand documents, all the documents from her investigation during her nomination hearing. the other thing to watch is everyone in town right now is privately talking about how it appears it was clearly the secret service. officials there upset about all of this and what they perceive to be a double standard that leaked out this information. what else do they know? because i spoke to a union chief for secret service officers today who said there is a double stapd standard. listen. >> we represented the men from the secret service who were ultimately removed of their jobs. and considering the fact that we're talking about people who put their lives on the line, that's pretty disconcerting to me to think that there is an allegation out there that suggests somebody working for the white house might have received preferential treatment while those who risk their lives did not. >> now, white house officials today insisted there was no preferential treatment and there was no cover-up. you mentioned jonathan dock now working at the state department, what he's focusing on we're told is global womens issues.
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megyn. >> really? >> i thought you might like that. >> i'm just going to resist the urge to make that joke. ed, thank you. joining me now, marc thiessen, fellow at the american enterprise institute. so i don't know what this guy dock did or didn't do. what i do know is that the white house looked at ed henry and said there's no indication of any misconduct by any member of the white house advance team. now, that's not true. she could have said -- he could have said there was an indication, we investigated it, we satisfied ourselves that it's not true. that -- okay. that's not what he said. he repeatedly said no indication. it's once again how does president obama say not a scintilla when he was talking to o'reilly? >> not a smidgen. >> not a smidgen. not a smidgen. not an indication mark.
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>> yeah. not an indication. look, on friday april 20th the director of the secret service came to the white house council's office and told her that there was evidence that his investigators had uncovered that this individual had brought a prostitute to his hotel, specifically the name of the hotel, after midnight on april 4th. and he further told her that he had checked it with agents on the ground who corroborated the story. so that is specific incredible. >> just let me jump in because the allegations as we know them according to "the washington post" who broke this story, there is a secret service agent that claims to have seen this young man with a woman who appeared to be a prostitute on the night in question. and his hotel log at his hotel showed a woman believed to be a prostitute signing in to go visit his room around midnight that night. now, his name isn't on the log. his lawyer says it's not true. his lawyer says there's no direct proof proving she went into his room. and it may have been a mistake in the log. that may all be true. but you can't say there was no indication of any white house
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involvement during an election year in which later now we know that the inspector general, somebody in the agency, came out and said we were being told to shut this up. >> exactly. and so the director of the secret service comes in and presents that information to the white house council on friday. on monday the 23rd, three days later, jay carney comes out and says there have been no specific credible allegations of misconduct by anyone on the white house advance team. that is flat false. there were specific credible allegations unless you say the director of the secret service is not a credible source. >> well, the reason they didn't conclude that this was credible, apparently, is because mr. dock denied it. okay. what do they expect him to do? i'm not saying he's guilty. maybe he did nothing, but that can't be the alpha and omega. you've got a hotel log. a secret service agent saying he saw it with his own lies. and ten guys got fired for doing that. mr. dock says it's not true so
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that's the end of it? >> no, that's exactly right. and the allegations were presented to the white house on friday. by monday jay carney was dismissing them. they did a thorough investigation in three days, over the weekend, and cleared this guy? thoroughly in an international investigation? absurd. >> tell us the truth. what happened here in your view? >> in my view there's a culture of deception at the white house. i mean, this is just par for the course. if you think about it, think about the things they have told us in recent years. they have told us that no one in the white house edited benghazi talking points. no one in america's going to lose their health plan. not a smidgen of corruption at the irs and now no specific credible allegations. every one of those statements was knowingly true. now, one time -- maybe that's a mistake. twice, that's troubling. three, four, five statements like that, that is a pattern. there is a culture in the white house that encourages and condones deception of the american people when they think that the president is in danger. >> must everything be political? must everything be political?
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i mean, they fired ten secret service agents but this guy gets a promotion, a son of a democratic promoter and they don't have the decency to be straight with us about what the allegations were, what they did to investigate them and why they concluded this was nothing. >> and what they're doing in the long run, megyn, is they're harming the president. and the president is harming himself because he's participated in all of these things. what's happened is the obama administration is in freefall right now. approval ratings are plummeting. and part of the problem is people don't trust the president. if you're the president of the united states and you want to convince people about your policies, to listen to you, they have to first believe that you're telling the truth. fox news poll earlier this year showed that 84% of americans believe that the president lies at least from time to time on important matters. 84% of the american people think the president lies about important matters. how are you going to set your administration straight? when something like this comes up, it's just one more piece of information that people put in
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their pocket and say this guy is not honest. >> there'll be much more on this in the coming days. marc, thank you. >> thanks, megyn. we have more details next on the breaking news tonight about this explosive letter written by the ft. hood shooter and obtained by fox news's own catherine herridge and what he says about jihad and about being a fighter for allah. you know the guy who committed workplace violence. plus, watch what happens in an eye opening interview with the young american now fighting for al qaeda in syria. wait until you see this. >> you look up to bin laden? >> of course. >> you can understand that that's really hard for americans to hear. >> why? >> because of 9/11. >> we have 9/11s every single day. (receptionist) gunderman group. gunderman group is growing. getting in a groove. growth is gratifying. goal is to grow. gotta get greater growth. i just talked to ups. they got expert advise, special discounts, new technologies. like smart pick ups.
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>> hi, megyn. fox news has confirmed that nadal hassan directed his attorney to mail an undated six-page handwritten letter to the pope titled "a warning to pope francis, members of the vatican and other religious leaders around the world." in it hassan appears to make multiple references to the quran including a list of guidelines for believers. in one section titled "jihad," hassan praises the willingness to fight for almighty allah describing it as a test that elevates the holy fighters and that the fighters have a greater rank in the eyes of allah than believers who don't fight. there is no reference to the ft. hood massacre where hassan killed 13 and wounded 31. the defense department continues to call that massacre workplace violence despite the fact that hassan has repeatedly referred to himself as a soldier of allah. and his lawyer says the letter to the pope, quoting here, underscores how much of his life actions and mental thought process are driven by religious
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zeal. and it also reinforces my belief that the military judge committed reversible error by prohibiting major hassan from both testifying and arguing how his religious beliefs motivated his actions during the shooting. and remember back in august fox news obtained another hassan letter in which he pledged his allegiance to the islamic state and its leader eer abut bakr. >> amazing. joining us a man who actually testified on the ft. hood shooting and the extent of radicalization in the american muslim community back in 2011. the letter leaves no doubt about what this man is about and his belief in jihad. let's just put it on the board for the viewers so they can see it. in the man's own hand -- let me just show you this. can you see this? can you see this, luke?
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so this is the actual -- i don't know if you can see the handwriting on there, but i'll read to you on the board what it says. he talks about jihad and the willingness to fight for almighty allah. it's called a warning to pope fran tis, members of the vatican and other religious leaders around the world. and he goes onto talk about how believing fighters the mmujadine -- >> megyn, that's why i testified. you can't defeat an ideology that you can't even discuss the report on ft. hood with 84 pages never mentioned islam, jihad, ideology we're fighting. and yet his spiritual sanctioner was a legitimate target in operation because of the threat he posed. there were copycats after nadal. arrested for terrorism charges that wanted to commit another
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ft. hood, how many recurrences, hundreds we've seen, of this violence of jihadism that keeps replicating. and because of the fear, because of the coward esz of our administration, lobbyists for the oic that want to put on an apologetic cover of a real cold world of the 21st century. and it's antagonism -- >> i like the way you put that. political islam. because there's islam. and very few people are suggesting that islam itself is a dangerous religion. it's the political islam. it's radical islam. it's those who pervert. >> exactly. i love my faith. i think it's more bigoted to say it's no problem and let dominate those who speak for us --
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>> who are the ones pressuring the administration to not call it what it is? >> those who believe in jihad. the muslim brotherhood of -- may disagree with al qaeda and isis about the means, rather, but the ends of an islamic state they think can be democracy when in fact many escaped that. >> a real effect not only calling ft. hood workplace violence. the d.a. said that case in which a woman was beheaded may have more to do with race than religion but did not rule out religion. of course we know the man's facebook page was complete with beheadings and osama bin laden propaganda. not only that but the president in his u.n. speech recently praised an imam who not long ago made some very controversial statements about jihad. the question is whether this blindness is really coming back to haunt us, to hurt us. >> absolutely. it's just like if you want to treat drunk driving and you don't treat the alcoholism, you're never going to fix the problem. it's going to get worse because
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you're enabling the pathologies to continue. and they are enabling the jihadists to control the voices in our community when we actually need to get some fire under the feet of muslims to say, you know what, your house has a problem. fix it. >> how did we get politically pressured by jihadists? it's got to be a more moderate faction that's putting the pressure on. >> there's two sides of this coin. on the other side are the islamic governments, islamic public of iran, the islamic -- of pakistan. they are islamists we don't want to offend. >> by calling ft. hood jihad instead of workplace violence? >> we're also not empowered to take on a thee yo political ideology. we don't want to engage in this religious discourse. so what happens is negligence creates an inability to have a strategy. and we need to engage muslims in that reform. we don't want to say the r-word. >> and maybe danger as well. good to see you. >> thank you for having me. >> thanks to catherine herridge for that breaking news report.
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coming up, former obama defense secretary leon panetta now taking serious flak from the left challenging his patriotism after mr. panetta raised questions about president obama's leadership. we'll show you what's happening there. plus, new claims that the death of the ebola patient in texas is the result of racism? see what's fueling that charge tonight. and up next, the eye opening interview with the young american now fighting for al qaeda. >> would you support a terrorist attack on the united states? >> i wouldn't consider a terrorist attack. if anything happened to me, i would consider reaction to this action. there's no tears be shed for me if something happened in america. helps you be ready anytime the moment is right. cialis is also the only daily ed tablet approved to treat symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, as it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess. side effects may include headache, upset stomach,
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to 335 points today. the biggest hit so far this year. and what's more dramatic, look at the week. over the past five days the dow has closed up and down by hundreds of points at a time. analysts say today's selloff was based on a fear of a slowing global economy. we'll see what happens tomorrow. we have an eye opening interview tonight on yet another american whoo is now fighting for al qaeda in syria. the man who spoke to cbs news says he grew up like any normal american, went to movies, liked sports. but that's reportedly when he dropped out of college to study islam in the middle east. and that's when he says things took a drastic turn. listen. >> when i was living in america, a normal kid like sports. normal kid growing up. just like any other american. i don't hate america. that's my home. that's where i grew up. but the government and their
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policy one of the muslim that's another story. there is no threat from us. >> that sounds a lot like something osama bin laden once said. do you look up to bin laden? >> of course. >> you can understand that's hard for americans to hear? >> because of 9/11. >> we have 9/11 every single day. >> would you support a terrorist attack on the united states. >> i would consider a terrorist attack. if anything happened, i would consider a reaction to this action. >> even if women and children were killed? >> what i consider terrorist attack these tomahawk bombs being shot from wherever they're being shot from and killing innocent people so i wouldn't there's no tears be shed from me if something happened to in america. >> joining me now, senior vice president of the sufan group. and former special agent in charge of the naval criminal investigative service. robert, good to see you tonight.
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incredible to listen to him talk about how he was a normal kid growing up in america. and now he's fighting for jihad. how does this happen? i mean, he says, look, there's no threat from me or any of us over here if you don't hit us. >> yeah. there are some very, very common themes though in this tape and what the young man is saying. i've seen over the course of 20 years in talking to individuals like him both americans and and from the middle east. some of those recurring themes is very potent idea to someone who usually can self-recruit and take those steps toward making contact so he can go to a place like syria or iraq. >> what are the themes? >> the themes include the idea that america is the upper case, the enemy of islam. and anywhere there's trouble spots, it's all about america conducting this war on islam. there are some other recurring themes too i've heard like for example in the 1990s in iraq, if
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i had a dime for every time someone i talked to in interrogation told me how america wants iraq's oil, it's killing 50,000 babies a year. so you have these things very potent emotionally to those who would seek to violent extremism. >> do you believe what he says there? there's no threat from us if we don't get hit? and the reporter to her credit asks, look, after he said a house he was living in came under attack, he said those are my close friends who died. she said can you honestly say nobody was in the house with intention of attacking the west. he said better question can you tell me these hits whoent create people who would want to come and hit america? so which is it? we continue to have that debate. >> he's very well versed in that kind of judo if you will verbally that guys like him that go over there receive this about always turning the question around. the practical part what he's referring to and what the reporter asks, isis or isil is
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hyperfocused on situations going on in syria and iraq. there's no doubt. but u.s. security intelligence can't rule out a threat. >> you tell me if we didn't hit them they wouldn't want to hit us? >> absolutely not. like i said, that form of the violence extremism is all about us as the enemy. >> it goes back many years. no matter what we seem to do, no matter what seems like they're determined to kill us. for days now we've watched as former secretary of defense leon panetta raised questions about the leader. but now the president's defenders are hitting back and hitting hard. that's next. greenline do for you? just take a closer look. it works how you want to work. with a fidelity investment professional... or managing your investments on your own.
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from the world headquarters of fox news, it's "the kelly file" with megyn kelly. serious new reaction tonight as some on the left go on the defense. leon panetta for his critical tell-all memoir about his time in the obama white house, well, administration. here are some recent headlines. in politico panetta is trying to rewrite history. the daily beast, leon panetta is what's wrong with d.c. "the washington post," obama's not the first former boss leon panetta blistered in a memoir. and a former obama spokesman, you know bill burton, now calling mr. panetta sad, dishonorable, small and petty. but is this the same way the left reacted to the scathing tell-all books about republican presidents. jay christian adams a former justice department attorney. just to start with mr. burton, he thinks it's sad and
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dishonorable and petty. but when scott mcclel lan came out with a book about what happened with the iraq war and george w. bush, bill burton was one of the first to try to use it in the presidential race between then-senator obama and john mccain saying on the day after the former white house press secretary meaning mcclellan concede the to use propaganda to take us to war and took a shot at mccain. he doesn't seem to think that it's fair game now. >> well, this is how it works, megyn, the white house should be listening to leon panetta, not attacking him. and that's because we see this pattern. whenever a republican has a traitor like scott mcclellan or davis igless i can't say who used to be at the justice department, they're raised to hero status, megyn. they're feted in the media. people like dana milbank at "the washington post" do glowing stories about these people. but whenever it's a democrat like leon panetta who tells the truth about the foreign policy failure in this white house,
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dana calls them stunningly disloyal. suddenly the truth is not as important. it shows you the partisan nature of how people in washington confront the truth. sometimes republicans are elevated to legendary status for turning on president bush. >> and yet i think you yourself know something about what they will do to you if you dare cross this administration. because you did work for the department of justice under eric holder, under president obama. and when you quit on principle over the way they were handling a case, they came after you both barrels blazing. >> it was a lot of fun, but i'll tell you marc thiessen is right. there's a culture of deception. they lied about me. they lied about jared. for a long time the media wasn't holding them to account. people like dana milbank were doing their bidding. but the american public is catching up. the fox news poll over 80% of
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the people in this country think that obama lies. >> what do you make of the point that they're making though? because even dana perino came out on our show earlier this week and said i don't agree with these administration officials writing books while their former boss is still in office. apart from the partisanship, do they have a point? >> they don't. look, i respectfully disagree with dana prino. we're in a constitutional republic where truth matters. where transparency in government is an important principle. when you're messing up foreign policy as badly as this administration is, it is valuable to the american government, to the american people for someone like leon panetta to say what he said. this is not some monarchy where we hide the ball and protect the king. this is democratic republic where it should matter to people in realtime, not ten years later. >> an interesting point. >> what this administration's doing. >> good to see you, sir. >> thank you, megyn.
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joining us for the other side, a former assistant secretary of defense and senior fellow at the center for american progress. larry, first let me ask you about chris's last point there, which is if ever there's a time, now is it. well, the battle's ongoing and the strategy can be changed. >> well, i think if leon felt the way that he said, he should have resigned so we could have had the debate a while ago. he complains about us getting out of iraq in 2011 -- >> okay. but what about the answer better late than never? >> again, i would say if he looked at some of the people i admire, republican secretaries of defense like melvin and even don rumsfeld. they waited until their boss was out of office. scott -- >> i know. but you're not answering my question which is chris adams was just saying he should be raising it now because leon panetta is expressing his fright in this memoir about the direction the president's taking the country in particular in the middle east in this war. >> well, first of all, he's being disingenuous. he didn't take those positions when he was in government.
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for example, when senator mccain asked him about getting out of iraq in 2011, he said no, we couldn't stay. when he was on the iraq study group, he wanted to get out completely even earlier. i mean, that's what we're talking about. >> he says he was behind to leave behind a residual force. >> that's what he said but then he went and testified it isn't. then you get into the account of actual whether in fact that would have made a difference. we had 100,000 troops there, we told maliki -- >> okay. you can argue that. this is more about the principle of what he's done and whether these attacks on him are fair. i mention bill burton dripping with hypocrisy on this. so is the vice president. the vice president came out and said i don't like it when the administration officials write books. let the guy get out of office, would ya? but he was another one who was all too happy when scott mcclellan wrote that book to come out and bam, bam, bam, use it. he had no problem with the
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betrayal when it was on the republican side. >> well, wait a second, i didn't appreciate scott mcclellan writing it. that's different. i think if a president gives you republican or democrat the honor of serving in a very high position, you owe it to him to wait until he leaves. and i've said that all along. when i left government somebody offered me $25,000 to write a tell-all book because i had notes of every meeting i went to. i said i'm not doing that. you don't do that. and again, i'd be happy -- i can tell you when leon panetta and i were on the phil donahue show back in the '8 0z, he was beating on reagan and then gets to the pentagon and takes a different position flt daily beast, they don't like the obama administration. they're not big supporters. but i think they talked about that's what's wrong with washington. you feel so strongly, resign. that woufk to debate in 2011. >> i think the lesson we learned is don't hire leon panetta.
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i'm just kidding. >> well, i think -- >> just kidding. he's actually very well respected on both sides of the aisle and has been up until this moment when suddenly now he's no longer respected by some. larry, great to see you. $25,000, it's not worth it. i'm sure you have a bigger advance than that for his book. anyway, worthy fights i think it's called. they rewrote the rules for math, then said spelling doesn't matter. now changing school in a whole new way. plus, new claims that the recent deaths of the texas ebola patient was the result of racism? see what's fueling that next. >> if a person who looks like me shows up without insurance, they don't get the same treatment. your customers, our financing. your aspirations, our analytics. your goals, our technology.
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ability to pay for care." dana lash hosts dana on the blaze tv and a radio america talk show host. and endell brown a trial lawyer. enendel, let me start with you. jesse jackson is making the case on kbhaf of thomas duncan's family that this was racism, discrimination. why? because we didn't give him the experimental drug that we gave twot doctors who were white? >> megyn, when i saw that article that claimed jesse jackson is using racism as the cause of this man's death, i thought this guy is out of his mind. but when i looked deeper, i realized there are certain issues that haven't been addressed such as why has the hospital changed course in their reason for turning him away when he initially came to him with symptoms and saying i just came from west africa, i'm exst experiencing fever, i'm experiencing abdominal pains and the nation is on alert looking for people from west africa with these symptoms.
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>> all right. but the thing is they seem to be focused, dana, correct me if i'm wrong on the fact that he wasn't kbif given the drug that the two doctors who had been helping these ebola patients, they were given this drug and they were cured. and they seem to be saying this guy didn't get the same drug and so that must be racism. >> yeah. i mean, jesse jackson when he penned that in op-ed for "huffington post," he hammered on two points that zmap wasn't given to thomas duncan. on that point, the reason nancy writebol and the reason kent brantly received zmap, because when they went to west africa, they were sent there with samaritan's purse. and when franklin graham heard what happened, they paid to fly them back. franklin graham paid to fly writebol and brantly back to the united states. and it was frankly graham that was on the phone talking to all of these different pharmaceutical companies, talking to the company that was in san diego that had
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manufactured this serum that they used on writebol and brantly. and he paid for it. now, i guess i would have to ask jesse jackson why he didn't in his capacity, i mean his name is just as big, why he didn't rely upon some of his connections and do the same thing for duncan? >> wasn't it because they were out? i read they were out of supply sns. >> why didn't he do that? >> i read they were out of supplies of that particular drug, which by the way is not foolproof. another patient was taking it overseas and died anyway. i don't see how you get to racism from the fact -- the guy, he came in, he didn't announce that he had been in contact with an ebola patient. the thing unfolded one day at a time. there were lots of ways in which it was bungled, but racism? >> look, i don't honestly believe anyone can sit there and say racism is the reason he didn't receive the treatment he was supposed to get. however, when you look at the totality of the circumstance, dana pointed out there was
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someone else who paid for these people to receive the treatments they got. is it an issue of money? is it a reason of the family came here -- >> the reason is because he's african and he wasn't as important. >> if there's a treatment available that's going to make you better regardless of your socioeconomic status, you're supposed to get it. >> why didn't jesse jackson pay for it? i mean, he's jesse jackson. >> we're not talking about jesse jackson's responsibilities. we're talking about every person that goes into a hospital -- >> but hold on, she's trying to raise -- hold on. she's trying to say first of all i don't think they have the supplies. number one. but even if they had the supplies she's trying to say if it's a money matter, why should this group pay for it lies about contact with those who had the disease versus two doctors trying to help save lives and open and honest about their situation from the beginning.
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>> it's not a merit-based treatment. you treat all patients with the best treatment available. >> it's not like coming out of the faucet. we don't have a lot of this drug. >> i understand. but we had someone who's dying given the treatment. it doesn't matter about why they're there. that's irrelevant. a doctor has an obligation. >> megyn, a quick point too -- >> giving dana last word. >> yeah. endell as well, when duncan came to the hospital, if we're going to make a point about hospital treatment, they said and it was an article in the atlantic, megyn, they said the reason duncan was sent home was because of a software error. there's a really great article penned by michelle malcolm that looks into the electronic medical records. judy faulkner owns -- >> let her finish. >> she provides the software that texas presbyterian hospital used. there has been wide coverage of the failure of this system. this system also received a ton of money in federal subsidies,
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$30 billion -- why aren't you talking about the cronyism that kept the bad software in that hospital that has already cost lives? >> they retracted that statement. >> not boston globe. >> all right. i got to leave it there. it's a good debate. but i got to go. we're going to have to leave it to the viewers to decide that one. thank you both. coming up, a nebraska school district has decided to replace all of its boys and all of its girls with purple penguins. we will explain next. [ female announcer ] we help make secure financial tomorrows a reality for over 19 million people. [ mom ] with life insurance, we're not just insuring our lives... we're helping protect his. [ female announcer ] everyone has a moment when tomorrow becomes real. transamerica. transform tomorrow.
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a nebraska school district is getting national attention tonight for its effort to make classrooms more inclusive. trace gallagher has more. trace. >> megyn, the controversy caught fire now the lincoln, nebraska school district is trying to tampen down holding a news conference a short time ago saying this gender lesson was only for teachers, not students
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and parents. and these aren't new rules but rather suggestions so that teachers can avoid terms that might offend kids like being called boys and girls. a group called gender spectrum came up with the 12-step program to help teachers navigate gender confusion. for example, "avoid asking kids to line up as boys or girls or separating them by gender. instead, use things like odd and even birthdays or ask which would you choose, skateboards or bikes. or this one" don't use phrases such as boys and girls, you guys, ladies and gentlemen, instead say calling all readers, hay campers and the now famous purple penguins. when you hear others referencing gender in a binary manner using boy and girl, you should "ask things like, that's interesting, can you say more about that? or what makes you say that? i think of it a little differently" many parents were unhappy with the helpful hints so the school district came out to clarify. listen. >> this was about adults,
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professional educators cared deeply about trying to reach and establish relationships with children, looking for strategies on how they can be more effective in their classroom. >> so calling kids purple penguins is not a new policy, megyn, it's just a thought. >> tell me more about that. thank you, trace. they might not like the answer they get. "hannity" coming up at the top of the hour. >> you had 24 -- nearly 24 secret service and military personnel, some were fired, some were reprimanded. what happened at the white house? nothing. not to be focusing, again, on my moderate to severe chronic plaque psoriasis. so i finally made a decision to talk to my dermatologist about humira. humira works inside my body to target and help block a specific source of inflammation that contributes to my symptoms.
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>> so no? the latest polls show that senator mcconnell is leading her, although that's turning out to be a tight race. go to facebook.com/thekellyfile. let me know what you think. see you tomorrow night at 9:00. i'm megyn kelly. this is "the kelly file." they were very credible and very specific allegations that a white house staffer was intimately involved with a prostitute. >> a new explosive scandal involving prostitutes rocks the obama white house. >> i think it's a very clear cover-up even more clear cut than benghazi. >> anyone who's going to use the quran to commit crimes of violence is someone who's a criminal. >> they're not criminals, these kids are running over there. they have no criminal records and they're joining up with isis. >> was the oklahoma beheading simply workplace violence, or was it an act of terrorism? >> why did he do it? >> acts of violence before they put in jail -- >> individual pointed a gun at the police officer, fired at least three rounds and continued