they're delicious and an excellent source of fiber to help support regularity. mmmm. these are good! the tasty side of fiber. from phillips >> with hello. welcome to "justice. i am judge jeanine pirro. in historic events the cdc confirming the first person to contract ebola here on american soil. the patient tested positive for the virus is dallas nurse involved in the care of thomas duncan from liberia who died within two weeks of coming here. now, didn't they tell us not to be concerned? that our healthcare system was incapable that hospitals knew the protocol, healthcare workers knew what to do. they even told us the chances of it happening here were infinite

(indiscernible) >> the experts in the cdc and the government agree the chances of an ebola outbreak here in the united states are extremely low. >> it seems however, the only thing this says about ebola is the amount it takes to catch it. yet the dallas hospital sends a man home who tells them he was from west africa all the while inconsistent with ebola. the hospital sends him home while contagious to live in his family's apartment which family refuses to follow the health department quarantine by sending their children off to school. today a healthcare worker not even one of those prioritized the cdc is at risk had all of the benefits protected here has

contracted the virus. reminiscent of the doctors and nurse who also contracted the virus in west africa. they used all of the precautions in suiting up. the new case of ebola was the cdc yet opined the preach in protocol the preach in handling of such cases will be forthcoming. wait a minute. now you are going to make changes in a protocol that obviously wasn't working that you said was working that we were not supposed to worry about? and now i have to worry where hospitals get the changes, understand the changes and actually implement the changes. i am not even convinced that hospitals have the protective gear for all those who could come in contact with the ebola waste whether it is the doctors, the nurses or the maintenance people. they can tell you not to worry. they can tell you it's not going to happen, but the don't worry,

be happy line doesn't work any more. start woulder reing. we ha -- woreying we have a problem. it has been screwed up twice. we have an issue. can you really rely on our healthcare system? can you rely on the cdc to tell you the whole truth? if you haven't been worried i think it's fine. tonight we are going to hear doctors who have differing opinions as to how easy it would be to contract the virus. is your family at risk. can pets contract it? can you contract it from your pets don't assume for one minute somebody, anybody has you covered. that's my open. joining me kdf reporter james rose. what is the latest on the new

ebola patient? oo i can tell you they are referring to that patient as patient number one as you know. thomas eric duncan was patient 0, the man that originated the ebola virus here in america. we do not know her name. we do know she was a nurse that was in close contact with duncan while he was a patient here. friday evening she had a slight fever and was exhibiting mild ebola like symptoms so she came immediately to the hospital. we are told within 90 minutes of her feeling that way and taking the temperature she was here in isolation. you mentioned they are not at risk. everybody in the medical field knows the risks associated with this disease. these people are allowed to self monitor themselves because they are healthcare professionals and they look out for each other and

they were not part of thlarger group monitored by the cdc. the fact that this person contracted it i can tell you she is here we don't know her condition except she is stable. at last word we heard that she had mild ebola like symptoms. >> the cdc confirmed she didn't have it. the headlines this week the people in dallas are quote sad and angry. not the medical people but the population in general. are they worried? >> people are concerned and they are watching out. as they said all along, if you were not in direct contact with duncan, you really were probably okay. they drilled it home they made the point where you might have

seen judge jenkins he drove with louise, duncan's fiancee to a steakhouse where they are being monitored. drove 45 minutes with him and went into the apartment where he was decontaminated. the only way you can contract it is if you get some kind of body fluid on you. they are prit petty much stickio that. they want to see what the preach in protocol cauwas they are loog at it before you go into the isolation chamber who is with you and when you come out and strip off the gear what are you doing with that gear? >> james rose, thank you so much. >> with me now is dr. mark seigel and dr. david somati. we have tom fredon the cdc

director who announces he has a new five part plan to prevent what's happening in dallas from ever happening again. i want you gentlemen to start thinking about this. the dallas hospital sends a guy who says he's from west africa home then we have a healthcare nurse who is suited up wearing all of the protective gear, she ends up contracting the virus, and now they have a new five point plan that they are going to implement, so hearre's my question to you, are we just stumbling our way through this? >> judge, listen, fear comes from a lack of belief in leadership. we have a situation where people are not being transparent with us and not being responsible enough. i am talking the centers for disease control. i know the centers for tease don't control we-- disease cont. a lot of the errors that

occurred -- it doesn't matter when you are worried about errors. errors make people afraid. >> they don't make some people afraid, some people die. >> they make people have a lack of belief that somebody can protect you. i am making a serious point. if you can't trust them they need to protect you you think you are going to be next. doesn't mean you are going to be next you feel that way because the person they are protecting isn't. >> what i care about is whether or not the cdc knows what is going on. i am not talking about fear. >> they know what's going on. they need to be more transparent about it. >> what are they not telling them? >> you said they have to be more transparent. >> right now i would like them to come out with their name of the person. >> i don't care about that. >> we want her name out there so people out there can know if

they were -- >> is the cdc being open and truthful? >> one thing i can tell you for sure i am not a psychiatrist. i am not here to worry about fear. it is an important part of this. we don't want people to panic but we have to use this case of mr. duncan as a case report. from the beginning that he decided to come to the u.s. he went through the screening. the questionnaire said, were you exposed to ebola. we know he was taking care of a regular nant woman who was extremely sick and died. the answer was no. right there there was a problem went to the screening. >> he lied to get here but he still showed up at the hospital. >> the first five days there were no fevers. he went through all of the prescreenings. the system is not ready to take care of the kind of patients and stop them. >> why did he go to the hospital in the first place? accident have a fever? >> he had a fooer he comes to the emergency room and we are not really prepared.

the travel history wasn't a part of it. >> all right. i don't want to keep going over the old stuff. >> i think the hospital totally screwed this up. >> how? >> any other time -- i don't think teit's that hospitals aret prepared. 1 he had a fever, you sent him home with an antibiotic? >> this is a major metropolitan hospital in dallas. we are not talking about some small town that doesn't have a lot of resources. that tells me we are not ready. >> tells me that hospital is not ready. that's why we want the certainties of diseasel'[ contr> this morning here's today's lesson. here's today's lesson. america takes care of eight patients who has ebola with the dallas hospital with centers of

disea overseeing the situation we already know from brantley, that if they are very actively involved they know how the pharmacy works. >> they know how to isolate them. i want the cdc more involved. >> tom freiden says up can't get this if you are sitting next to someone on a bus. >> she is a healthcare worker. she was taking care of a sick patient. >> i am talking about the cdc. >> something that came up this morning -- >> oh i have to go. they are wrapping me up right now. dr. seigel we aand samati we ar going to discuss this more. after hearing of the texas nurse infected with ebola, are you worried now? facebook or judge jeanine.

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bob i want to finish one thing with these two doctors if you can answer this quickly. can you contract the virus if you are sitting on a bus next to someone who has it. >> the answer is it is not probable. if you touch their ears and nose you can. >> if someone sneezes on my hands and he rub my eye you got it. >> that is one of the reasons why i asked on sunday house call why this camera crew how did they get the infection? the nurse rubbed her glove that was contaminated to her eye. now we have the breech of the particle that stated she took off the gown and got contaminated. >> i agree with you, but dr. seigel can you not agree with that? >> doctor is a great surgeon a

very good friend of mine but when it comes to medical cases we need to detail. >> i am going to go further with this. i can't speculate. i ant to add to that. the sicker someone is with ebola the sicker they are the easier it is to contact whether you have blood diarrhea or vomit. i will never say never here. i will never say never. the problem is, somebody that is sick enough to have a ton of virus in their sweat is probably not going to be healthy enough to sit on the bus. the president of the united states is wrong there but we need to understand the likelihood is very, very low. >> is it easier to get or more difficult to get. dr., you have dealt with owe bowl law patients you have been in countries with this problem you are an infectious disease.

doctor is the cdc capable of identifying and delineating what needs to be done given everything we have seen over the last two weeks? >> no. the interesting thing, your honor, is that they are not charged with that. they don't have the authority to go in to inspect the hospital or make sure the guide lynns are followed. they are a friendly good consulting period. i was in a last outbreak again dr. seigel said you are not going to get someone talking next to you unless they have a virus. i was in a ward with two doctors one had a patient cough on them the other touched a patient's skin, dead within a week. the big problem here is this, public health authorities are trying to reassure us. this is hard to get. it is going to be caregivers and it's going to be family members and those preparing bodies for burial that are going to be exposed to the virus. if you are not exposed it is not going to be spread rampantly.

if you are close to a lot of vomit, blood and feces there's a ton of virus you don't have to get much. the appalling thing is this nurse is being blamed for breaking protocol when she contracted the virus at the dallas hospital. 85 percent of nurses have not been trained in this country in an interactive pro catocol. this poor nurse should have been observed someone should have made sure she was doing the right technique. here's the bottom line. there is nobody in charge. there a no one in charge in west africa and 18 percent of patients are being treated in liberia. the in the united states may be the president may be homeland security. someone has to be in charge. they have to be in charge of protecting us in the united states. nobody is in charge.

>> but doctor, this is an issue that is first of all endemic in africa. it is now becoming an international issue shouldn't they have a coalition to deal with this? >> the last epidemic has been ee sris rated. they may not be capable. the united states are the only ones that can make a difference. >> we have trouble taking care of ourselves. >> i completely agree with his comment about the nurse. we should care about her. her caring and her fear for this patient where ebola may have been what caused her not to take the proper precautions. >> what do you mean? >> she was afraid? >> when you are afraid and worried and panicked. >> she was wearing it.

>> second part. (talking over one another) >> that's the other point. a i think i understand how she could have gotten exposed to the virus. b, dr. arnott made an important point for the government to take this over it may not be the cdc, we need the feds to take it over. >> every tienl t-- every time t take something over it gets messed up. >> somebody needs to take over the show. you have a virus that has no vaccine. you have 70 percent dying from it. the guy just said there's nobody in charge. close down the nonessential flights. (talking over one another) >> you have to stamp out the epidemic. somebody has to stamp out the epidemic. >> we don't have it. >> we have two patients in the united states that got it.

two patients. >> we are just getting started, doctor. that's the problem. doctor arnott what did you say? >> six months away? >> we are not going to wait six months. >> right now the centers for disease control is saying this epidemic is about to spin wildly out of control with over a million cases it may be the epidemic doesn't go away it may be u.s., africa and italy. you have the new aids when you can't stamp this out. when that happens that's a risk to all of us. >> you have to say look these are what we are worried about. these hemorrhagic fevers are the most worrisome thing worldwide in terms of public health. it has to be stamped out in west africa we need to be in charge. >> for that reason i would say mr. president -- >> got to go. (talking over one another) >> stop.

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the doctor? >> children love to share germs. i am not worried about catching ebola. enterovirus is making a comeback and killing kids. >> what is enterovirus? >> there are 100 varieties of it. this strain effects our respiratory system and makes a hardship on the lungs. kids with asthma can get paralyzed. we don'tuz know the mechanism we don't know how to stop it. >> you say ebola is not endemic to the united states. what will do you mean by that? oo i was reading some of your thoughts and say well you are not concerned about ebola. >> i am on guarded condition for it. but in terms of my daughter and our children that's what we need to worry about.

we need to be worried about the seasonal flu and enterovirus for the kids. >> when do you take your children to the doctor? >> if they are not feeling well they have fever, they are coughing, have difficulty breathing. these are concerns for kids not just with ebola but in general terms. >> let's stick with ebola for a second. are you surprised the nurses contracted it in dallas? >> i am surprised about that. >> the problem is we had to -- if we have a second case which we likely will we have to make sure our doctors and nurses and staff figure this out. >> there is an organization i think it is the -- i have the notes here national nurse's organization that says something like 79 percent of the nurses

haven't had any training in any of this as it relates to ebola. the cdc will have a five point plan because of what happened in dallas. you think our healthcare system is ready for this? >> every time there's a slip we need to get everybody involved. if they feel like they are not getting trained we need to have universal precautions where we come in contact with bodily fluids. we need to find out what happened to this woman so it never happens again. >> they say the bee local law symptoms are not only the indicators and not just bodily fluids but it's a virus it can last for hours, you go to a coffee shop someone sneezes on the counter you put your hand down to get your coffee you wipe your eye or mouth or whatever you can catch it. it is not just bodily fluids. >> that is bodily fluids when you have secretions or you

sneeze because that's saliva. >> even though it is dry on the counter viruses can live. >> they can live on the body for a period of time that's a concern. >> that's a real concern. >> ydo you expect people to be wearing masks on the airplane? >> people who have having the symptoms, i am worried about tuberculosis and seasonal flu and enterovirus. the people who are sick enough probably won't fly. >> dr. radcliffe, thank you for being with us this evening. coming up today's new show how well the dallas hospital handled ebola. had what happens when someone walks insi inside i am going to urgent care center to find out.

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judge jeanine. >> i visited to find out what precautions they have. >> urgent care center in new york city. i am joined by dr. jake deutsch who is clinical director as well as the founder of this center. doctor, how are you? thanks for having us today. >> urgent care. we are seeing these things pop up all over the united states. what is the difference between an urgent care center and emergency room? >> i use the analogy if you have to call an ambulance you should go to the hospital. if you are having a heart attack or stroke and can't go on your own you need to be in the hospital setting for all of the walking wounded that is where urgent care comes into play. it could be the flu or ebola.

what precautions are you taking? >> we have signage of people to worry about if you travel to west africa what symptoms may be experiencing when you need to go to the hospital or contact the health department. >> if i am coming in and i am sneezing and i've a fever>> oo. when do you give them the mask and glove? >> if they have flu like symptoms no harm no foul. people are brought in right away and we have private rooms. that's another layer of protection if there was anything concerning people aren't exposed to other patients they are not out in the open they are contained within their private room. >> as i look around here everything is clean and pristine. you are competent. what happens in dallas?

>> it was early on the radar. >> what happens on the radar if we are prepared? >> we are prepared now that was several weeks ago. >> let's talk about the fact that on the front line you have tallas the huge hospital a big city. we are sending troops to west africa because we know it's a problem. >> that's a big fail but we have learned from that. that's the only thing we can do. >> should americans be comfortable with what is a big city or small city they should feel 100 percent comfortable because they are think being it in the school nurse's office or urgent care setting it is in everybody's mind. the reality is we have the protected mechanisms in place in

theory in order to connect the outbreak. >> now thank you for being with us, doctor. i know you worked all day. >> it's 24-hours. >> i think precautions are in place we had two different things precautions in the general public and precautions for the workers who are taken care of. for the general public i think the precautions are in play everybody is think being it we have measures when you walk into our clinic and the hospital. now we are going to start taking a look at what the hospital workers have to be worried about for their precaution. that's the story now. >> it is clear it's the doctors the nurses and the ones who understand the disease who are wearing the protective gear and the gloves and the mask. yet this happens.

we are not in a position to know what they know to protect ourselves. >> the disease verses somebody who would be potentially in the early stages of the infection. we are proud of medicine in 13 years there are mistakes that happen. we are human. just like people have needle sticks potentially contaminating themselves with hiv. it is easy to make one simple mistake. >> the one sim mistake duncan is dead. the second mistake she is got the virus. i was supposed to go to two hospitals to two emergency rooms to see how they were set up to prepare themselves for possible ebola patient coming in. you were kind enough to let us into your urgent care center.

both hospitals canceled on me. i believe maybe it's the prosecutor in me i believe maybe they weren't ready. i am reading statistics 85 percent of nurses surveyed report their hospitals haven't provided education on ebola. 70 percent of hospitals say they haven't communicated the policy. how could this country add add vanced as it is not have this thing covered? >> nobody wants to get caught with their scrubs down so to speak. it is difficult to put your neck on the line with such an inflammatory pop tick. i think there's a lot of unknown and exposing yourself puts people in an uncomfortable situation. imag i think we are all talking about this. every hospital has a protocol in ca place in order to look at an outbreak. we are following the signs and have the protection they need. >> 39 percent say the hospital doesn't plan to equipped

isolation rooms with plastic covered mattresses and discard linens after use. that is frightening stuff. >> that is frightening stuff. >> what happens? who has to take charge for there to be a requirement that hospitals follow the protocols? >> i think there needs to be some leadership here. everybody is following the same standards. until we follow that there are going to be discrepancies. there will be mistakes accidents that anticipated because they don't have that cohesiveness. >> your urgent care center in manhattan a lot of people coming in, it's accessible. it's a walk in. >> here's one piece of advice. get the flu shots. if you don't get the flu people aren't going to be worried about having flu like symptoms that will el alleviate concerns. >> if i don't have the flu that's great for me but if somebody else has a problem it's not the flu, then i have a problem.

>> at least we are eliminating the sick. if we can put the numbers down and minimize that there will be a lot less fear. it will be keeping people home and healthy. that's one piece of advice. >> all right. thank you for being with us. >> thank you. >> coming up, i speak to two experts battling ebola for decades. and are your pets at risk? is continuing coverage of today's news a dallas nurse testing positive. there it is... this is where i met your grandpa. right under this tree. ♪ (man) some things are worth holding onto. they're hugging the tree. (man) that's why we got a subaru. or was it that tree? (man) introducing the all-new subaru outback. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru.

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ee oo continui >> continuing our coverage the dallas nurse testing positive for ebola. colonel and chief of the veterinary division of the army's medical research institute of infectious diseases and dr. nancy jacks also a retired u.s. attorney general and pathology division. both were key in the 1989 reston ebola outbreak. thank you doctors both for being here. the two of you have done ground breaking work on ebola. we are told 30 years ago, 40 years ago that we were closing in on all of the infectious diseases worldwide. what's going on today? >> thanks for asking us. i think that what we are seeing today even though we are talking about ebola, it is really a shot across the ball fore for

emerging infectious disease. i think that we have to be prepared in our hospitals and our public health infrastructure have to be bolstered so we don't have this kind of incident happen and really put us in the situation we are in. >> well, doctors, either of you, what are we doing wrong here? the one ebola patient from west africa clearly said where he was from, that got messed up now someone with protective gear has the virus and there are those who are speculating there will be more in the next few days or few weeks. what are we doing wrong? >> well, you know, nancy and i are not in a position to critique what's going on with the ebola patient in dallas. we found ourselves in a similar situation in 1989, completely unexpected, nobody had even heard of ebola except people on

the inside of infectious disease programs. we went through the same whirlpool what folks are doing trying to respond, nobody had a real clue howf8h to do it. we put together responses to do it. what they are doing down there i think it is very important to recognize that there has to be an organized response. i agree with your last guest. if people aren't doing it now they ought to be. >> when we talk about 76 percent haven't even been spoken to by their hospital. >> the nurse you trained contracted ebola they put the dog down. can you tell us what the correlation is if any between a human and an animal and ebola?

the bottom line is there are very few studies of what happens to dogs in these situations. there has been one paper published that i know of. it appears that dogs get infected but they never get sick. much like reston virus, if it gets into people, their immune system sees the virus they get infected but they don't get sick. >> let's talk about the troops. the thousands of troops we are sending to west africa. is there any way to inoculate these military men and women who have a stronger resistance to ebola to help them? >> there is no current have ava that's approved for use in humans at this time. i would say one thing about the army, and i think that's the one thing that was demonstrated at reston is they are very good at training, they are very good at

knowing who is in charge. you don't have any questions about who the boss is and what everybody's job is. i think there are times when that is very helpful. >> i couldn't agree with you more. >> finally. when we talk about drugs, there are drugs and there's no vaccine now, there are drugs in the pipeline that might be available and how long will that take? >> they have been trying to develop counter measures for decades, for more than decades. it is very difficult to do. that is a very difficult process to go through. there are promising candidates on the horizon. hopefully with the seriousness and hopefully they will become widely available. >> thank you. judge. >> coming up this is the last

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>> treatment of a decorated army war ranger refusing to hang his uniform full medals in the aircraft closet. here was my solution last night. you know what, u.s. air investigates the roerl of the flight attendant i have an idea. i will be kind. she shouldn't lose her job. she should not lose her job. she should stay in the employ of u.s. air in maintenance cleaning toilets. on all flights coming in from west africa.

someone's got to do it. here's what you had to say. john says this current president doesn't want our military to be respected. larry says there's no respect for much of anything in this country any more. people have lost class, honor and dignity. sandra says judges fought on get gloves and get her scrubbing those toilets. veronica says i wish i would have been there to see that. i would have had that servicemen back. >> sharon says your show is like the 4th of july always fireworks and always speaking the truth. >> jessica says you are wrong, judge, there's plenty of respect for the military. this is just one issue. are you kidding? is did you even listen to me? 90,000 of them being cut out of the military getting pink slipped having inadequate medical care. next time listen to what i say.

now the insta poll. are you worried now? don't worry. i worry. stacy says, i have been worried since the day obama took office. lynn says, i am worried for our troops being sent into harm's way as am i. jay says i am a nurse and i am terrified. thomas says if a medical professional can catch us, what chance does the average american have? >> christine says media is just like the government, you are giving us false news. what's false? that's it for us tonight and remember, you don't ever have to miss "justice." just set your dvr and tell your friends to do the same. thanks for joining us. remember to friend me on facebook or follow me on twitter

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