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frontier airlines claims that plane has been cleaned three times. > my time's up, here is "the five." the ebola crisis has gotten so serious, president obama cancelled a fund-raiser and a campaign rally today to meet with advisors on the outbreak, if things get worse where he is, he might even cancel a golf game. i think many americans have lost confidence in our government's ability to keep us safe. an infected nurse, who just days after working on an ebola victim, tom duncan, the cdc director says he wishes he had done more. but now trying to reassure the american people --
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>> we know how ebola spreads, we know how to stop it, we know what is happening. it spreads by direct contact. sometimes more isn't better, you put on more layers, you put on more things, they're harder to get off putting you at a higher risk. >> if you go into an ebola patient's room without covering your head, you would do that? >> absolutely. >> i share some of the same concerns that the majority of the american people have, the government doesn't know what ebola is or how it spreads. every day something new happens, someone gets infected and there hazmated up but they're still getting infected. first of all, there's not that many that have it so far. and the idea of calling for the director of the cdc's job is just ridiculous, in the middle of this crisis. look, it is new to the united states, ebola, i think they have
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done a pretty good job. the real job was in the presbyterian hospital, when they allowed duncan in the emergency room, he was the fifth patient in line, they took his blood. >> this is freeden's quote, i wish we had put a team like this on the ground the first day an ebola patient was diagnosed. >> i don't think it's hiss fault that this thing spread in that hospital. i think this was the hospital's protocol that was followed. >> but aren't they following the protocols put down by the cdc. the point is, they need to tighten this up, because it's sloppy. >> the government can't go into every hospital and tighten up
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their protocol. >> it's a serious enough issue that in fact they can. that's why we're listening to these press conferences from freeden and the cdc. they're going to put a fast team on the ground to go in and deal with the situation. they have the ability to shut this down, go and do it. >> we found out today that amber vincent, the second ebola victim who worked on thomas duncan in dallas was able to fly a couple of days after duncan died. she wasn't on a watch list, she wasn't on a no-fly list, she wasn't wasn't -- >> there would be hundreds and hundreds more people who already have ebola, that is not happening, so we need to keep that in mind. so i think that the government will have to admit that they did something wrong there, and protocols, and because they weren't wearing the head
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coverings when initially dealing with him, that needs to be protocol. their statement said is absolutely devastating today for the administration. they are demanding more training, more information, and the administration has said the world isn't doing enough on ebola. back in may or june, doctors without borders and others, the world health organization, the u.n. was raising the alarm about this, and the administration was slow. i think on that point, they are very vulnerable, they could have been talking to the nurses and the hospitals all across america, even if there were a travel ban from each of those countries, someone -- and then travel, i mean, i don't know if they can wall off this problem unless try they to solve it there. america's biggest vulnerability is how long it took them to act
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and having them basic revise their story now. >> they also add that there was blood, plasma and diarrhea piled up to the ceiling. >> protocols are in place, but hospitals have to take those protocols and make them work. >> but they didn't seem to have them bob. the protocols weren't in place, they weren't well trained, well versed out, to avoid two people being infected so far. >> let greg in here. >> there's actually some good news here, number one t health worker that was infected had been treating mr. duncan and for two days they didn't have hazmat suits which is bad and wrong and a breach of protocol. however those were the people that got infected. meanwhile there are 48 people out there who are asymptomatic who are out in the community, who have not developed symptoms
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in that simple tom window. when you are treating someone and you're not adequately prepared with a heavily -- you are more likely to get infected. that is what happened. this is what is a tragedy, but it's also good news, because what it is telling you is that the only way this can get infected is that if you are treating a very sick patient and you are not properly covered. the other good news, the nurse, nina fam. she's doing well after getting a blood transfusion from kent brantley. now his blood is saving the lives, if we had left him in africa, he would be dead. and god bless shepherd hit for coming out and saying what everybody needs to hear, that there is nothing good from raising panic, you're going to dpi from 100 different things before you even get close to an infection. this is highly infection and you
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are breaching a protocol when you are treating it. we must improve on that protection, unfortunately, we are failing right now on protecting the nurses. >> far be it from me to want to take on the unions, i don't like to do that, but in this case, the nurses knew that this problem existed. they knew what the protocols were, and clearly, now they're saying they're putting us at risk. >> they didn't have enough hazmat suits. >> so if two nurses got it because they didn't have hazmat suits, and these two people have traveled, one of them orb an airplane to cleveland or from cleveland back to dallas, how many more people may have it? >> but that's not the question, the question is what are they defying mon authoring, if monitoring allows a nurse to fly, that's not monitoring.
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nobody asked about her flying, because we assumed she was. . that's an issue. but i would not instill panic on other people getting on planes. you have to have contact with someone who is simple tom mat tick who has a efuse -- >> even if you might be symptomatic, go on a chartered plane, go in your own car or stay in your own home, you are not allowed to go on any public means of transportation. >> and that was why they quarantined dr. nancy snyderman of nbc news when she came back. >> i agree with you, eric, doctor siegel talks about this idea of fear guides, this is something that you trust when you panic. we don't have someone who can come in and tell us things are
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going to be okay. instead we have a bumbling character. we need to find someone who you can actually trust who will say, here's the possibility of what can happen and here's how to fix it. >> they want an ebola czar? >> president obama may actually make an announcement during in the next few minutes, if he does, we're going to break into it. >> this is what i think is happening in the cabinet room right now. president obama cancelled his two fund-raisers today, which i think is the absolute right thing to do and he called a cabinet meeting. on the fund raising piece, it's not that the democrats aren't going to get the money, because the checks are prewritten. why do you have to bring all these entities together? because they're being smart enough to say, we need veterans
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affairs here, because if a vet comes in here with a slal proper, department of justice has to be involved because they have to be prepared for any possible security concerns and retaliation against people, which could actually happen. dhs has to be involved and homeland security because of immigration and border enforcement. it goes on and on so i think they're really smart to have that. i think the president will speak with some authority today. >> the president did go back to the white house, he cancelled the fund-raisers to do this. other crises or other your events, he chose not do that. he said by going back to the white house it instilled fear in the american people or to the world. >> it's a catch 22. if he doesn't show up, then this table will say, where the hell is he? and if he does show up, we say,
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oh, we're all going to die. >> let me be a little crass here, this is two or flee weeks before the elections and if you're sitting there and you're the political director in the white house, should behave a fund-raiser, or should we go back and do a meeting. >> he did a fund-raiser the bay after benghazi. >> not to mention golfing after the beheading. >> literally involving the family on the beheaded american was talking on a microphone, he was golfing at the very same time. >> this is far more serious than benghazi ever was. >> what? >> ebola -- >> we're talking about after the beheading and he went golfing. >> can i get to this sound bit? first of all i want to point out that you have your scigar in yor pocket. >> the travel ban just like british airways did back in
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august. the cdc begs so differ. >> why not put a travel ban in place until we have shorn up the system. >> if we do things that are going to make it harder to stop the epidemic there, it's going to spread to other parts of africa. >> how is it going to make it harder to stop? >> charter flights don't do the same things commercial airlines do. if we isolate these countries, what's not going to happen is disease staying there, it's going to spread more all over africa and we'll be at higher risk. >> how do we avoid another thomas eric duncan coming in? >> he's like -- thomas duncan tried to state of a woman who was dying, so he's -- he gave his life. in this case, there's an inherent contradiction here. you can't have all or nothing. you can allow in and out travel.
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>> what about limiting certain visas. >> that's why i don't get the -- i don't know why they have to say all or nothing. >> here's what they're saying, if you ban travel to and from these three countries, you're increasing the chances for it to spread in those countries. >> you can fly out of any of those countries to europe and then to the united states. >> you have a sierra leone passport, you don't get admittance. >> if you have a stamp saying you stopped in in during this time, you don't get in. >> duncan came from brussels, and also he was asymptomatic. >> i don't see why, you can't do a partial ban and still let people go in and out.
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>> we're talking about two people who are being treated with the best possible care in america. you i do not think you're going to be able to stop this in terms of a travel ban. you might be able to slow it down slightly. i believe that they have correct, it could exacerbate the problem there but it could spread and make it even more dangerous for people. i don't think it's the right move at this time. >> it's the burqa. protects you. >> on that note, we're going to leave it right there. we're still waiting for remarks from the president and the white house. did the pentagon conceal the discovery of chemical weapons in iraq following the 2003 invasion? we'll tell you all about a shocking "new york times" report. plus the operation to take out isis now officially has a name, what the military is calling it, next on the five.
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>> we are waiting for new remarks from president obama. we'll bring that to you as soon as he speaks. in the meantime, a bombshell report from the "new york times," reveals new details about stores of chemical weapons uncovered in iraq between 2004 and 2011. not oochnly were the discoverie kept secret, but -- to keep the relations hiding, these soldiers were denied necessary care. critics however maintain the weapons found were not the same as ones used in the justification for war. all right so this is interesting
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story, a lot of people talking about it. let's break it down. dana, i twooni want to get your reaction. >> i read and i thought i don't really think this is news. i have not seen the foyi documents, i knew that old wmd weapons were found. i never heard evidence of people being injured and not being allowed to talk about that. it's just not something that i am familiar with. also, if there was wmd found and if these people were injured, and the enormous pressure that these people were under. they would have actually said they found this wmd. >> it doesn't make sense. you're missing something very important. put an idea in people's minds
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and solidify it that george w. bush went to war thinking that saddam hussein had a new weapons program. he never said that. and an amassing job of breaking down what president bush said is what the world said in 1998 national intelligence estimate that saddam hussein had had weapons and he had a propensity to preconstitute a program. >> that was the case for war. >> they're mixing apples and oranges and i'm confused by the "new york times" story and why it is such a big deal. but i vrvel seen this secret intelligence foya document that i have found. >> those are mustard gas canisters that were found. those were hooked together by the iraqis when they were fighting the iranians. they used an enormous amount of those weapons in the war with
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iran. the real issue is was there a new program. and i agree with you, i never heard the word new used from bush. >> so if the "new york times" makes that case, they're trying to say that president bush did that and he didn't. >> we said that it reignited the debate. why is there a debate anyway? saddam hussein, is there any question that he was a bad guy, he mass murdered his own people. government approved mass murder, torture and rape. sometimes up to 700,000 people. "new york times" says up to a million using mustard gas on his own people. the united states went to war with the dirty dozen, with saddam hussein, and the top advisors and the two sons. that's who we were trying to
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eliminate, not go to war with the iraqi people. >> who cares if there was a weapon of mass destruction or not. he was bad, he killed his own people. >> the question is do you go to war against him? >> have that debate. but don't say they went to war for weapons of mass destruction. >> they didn't go to war for a new program, colin powell went to the u.n. and said, they have the ability to build these things. and that was -- >> desire. >> and certainly had demonstrated the propensity to use them, not just to design them and manufacture them, but actually to deploy them gems the against their own people. >> they gassed thousands of people, what's your definition of weapons of mass destruction. there were 1,400 nerve agent
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rockets, ft. wood, workplace violence, that's nothing more than roman candles. everybody including the clintons, wanted hussein dead. his death should be roundly cheered, it was a great accomplishment. and when we look back long after we're dead, that will be looked upon as a great thing. >> this is a guy too that used the kurdish people in northern iraq, as his test subjects for vx gas. the unbelievable atrocities. so now to sit in judgment and say this is the reason -- i mean, come on. >> the no fly zone, they weren't getting the kurds at that point. >> i do think bob, i do think that a premature withdrawal by president obama, that that decision has led to the problems we're having now with isis. and isis is now getting their hands on these old weapons and could use it against innocent people. >> i counter with this, which is we wouldn't have had to draw
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back people if we hadn't gone to war in the first place. >> you have always been anti-war and that's great. being anti-war, because you can always say you ear anti-war no matter what happens. but when you need to get rid of someone, a person who invaded kuwait. after that it led to chaos, but it was a lot better off before obama let it go to hell. >> and in response to that, george h. william buw. bush mad decision because colin powell said that if you break it you've got to keep it. zuckerburg just gave big bucks to fight ebola. we're going to tell you where we would, and that's coming up next.
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>> so we have got roves hordes of madmen and pestilence, it's like the middle ages, except with iphones. the government focused on issues that appealed to matt damon, ignore the big box items bike war and disease. president bhaobama is the guy y send to the store for food and water and he comes back with yohoos. thankfully mark zuckerberg has
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tossed 7 million dollars to the disease. what if we could choose wherey make it go where it should go. tom eckal once gave study volunteers $100, most gave $1.70 to the man, but when they could target specific programs they gave twice as much to disaster relief and three times as much to fight cancer. because, see, we know what matters, but when you have a president who prefers feel good fads delivered by sheltered undergrads, at least we're cracking down on cupcakes at school, those things will kill you. so let's go around the table, dana, zuckerberg, nice of him, he gave $25 million. if you had $25 million.
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if you had it to give away. >> mark zuckerberg giving 25 million dlrto the cdc. but it is the equivalent of my giving $25 or less to the cdc. i could give 25 bucks, but the interesting thing is the government has foundations, so the cdc has money like this that you can receive. so it's conceivable that each department could have a foundation, so you could have public dollars. >> if i only wasn't so cheap and lazy. >> that's what we have been saying. >> finally the truth. >> eric, if you had -- for you it would have to be $350 million. >> zuckerberg donates $325 million for ebola.
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it's a token, it says what he cares about. i would probably do something in the area of, it would definitely be energy and some awampk on the safety, address some of the concerns on nuclear energy. and people understand it's safe and clearly the most efficient form of energy that would help us out. >> i knew you were going to go to -- >> this monologue of yours was almost over the top about obama. >> almost? >> i give him a lot of margin here because of who he is and what he says. but the fact is the president of the united states does care about these big issues, but the question is emphasis or not, you make it funny. my $25 million would go to wic children. women, infant and children
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nutrition. >> you must be trying to get a saturday night date. no, no, bob, i did not agree to that. >> i don't know. >> i thought you were going to do an exchange student program. >> i've got that funded already. >> okay, so sure for cancer research and my other big issue is children. and so children that suffer from abuse and neglect and also education, special needs children. >> i think i would give 25 million -- how many missiles does that buy, 25? >> not even. >> no, not even close. >> wouldn't it be great if you could buy missiles and say this is where they should go. >> no, it would been. >> we should just nuke them, get all the guns and nuke them. you nuke them, and all that stuff goes all over the world and everybody dies.
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>> does it bother you when you see one of these missiles, one of these hell fire missiles. >> it is troubling. the trucks are carrying a lot of stuff. >> it depends on who and what's inside the truck. let me tell you, that's why you need people on the ground to tell you which trucks to hit. sums it up. does the city of houston want to silence pastors who have spoken out against the controversial measure, sermons have been summoned and you'll hear got it when "the five" returns.
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out -- the u-2 front man is -- back at home, brad pitt, kimberly's favorite has revealed 4i8s as a gun owner since kindergarten. let's begin first with with bono. >> he's right, this is lilt tramly making our pharmaceutical companies to depatate themselves. >> a lot of reasons. >> now, but not before. >> if we lowered our corporate tax rate or lowered -- boy, you -- >> the irish community is doing very, very well. >> what did you do with brad
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pitt last night? >> dana, you agree with -- >> absolutely, it's been a boon for air land and america should definitely do the same thing. president obama said he should go from our 39% rate to our 29%. i believe that in the next year, you will see some compromise between that 25% and 29%. >> effectively, the u.s. corporate tax rate is very, very low because u.s. corporations are allowed to write off so much. are you into this bipartisan agreement? >> the reason why you could trust bono on this is that he spent a lot of time going around the world working on a lot of problems. he understands through all of his experiences that capitalism is the only way to reduce pain in -- the opposite does it. he gave his new album away, through apple. and people hated it, they didn't want it. people like stuff that they pay for. they want to put -- they value
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the idea of value. >> he's also worked very hard to end extreme poverty throughout the world. he puts his money where his mouth is, he's very active on that end and successful in doing so. >> also pointing out that u-2 probably incorporated so they get that low tax rate. >> do you blame them? i don't blame anybody for taking advantage of common sense. come on. >> let's talk about brad pitt here for a second. he says he's been a gun owner since he was in kindergarten. greg, you're a big fan of this stuff. you think that's sort of a breach in the wall of those that you don't think the guns should be allowed on the street? >> it depends if he's a hypocritor not. if he doesn't want to have a gun, you ought to have a gun. how many stars are like him, but don't say anything. who all have guns, but then say they're for gun control, i don't like those people. i'm kind of glad that he came
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out and said, i got to a gun. basically he said, it's a right, i do it because i protect my family. it is an innate right. >> i'm happy that he's open and tran transparent about it. he session i'm open about. -- the difference is i can't carry my 12 gauge shotgun out on the street to protect myself at the local7-elevena a lot of people want to do. obama's coming up right now on ebola.
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this is a fox news alert, president obama delivers new remarks from the cabinet room on the ebola outbreak. >> obviously the news has been dominated by the news of a second health care worker in dallas with ebola. in light of this second case, i
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thought it was very poshlts for me to bring together our team, our cdc director, tom freeden to hear directly from them in terms of how we're ramping up our efforts here. initially we want to express concern for the two health workers who have been affected. our nurses and our health care workers are absolutely vital to the health and well-being of our families, they sacrifice for us all the time, not just in this case, but in the case of other illnesses that affect us. they are selfless, they work hard, they're often underpaid and so our thoughts and prayers are with them and we have to make sure that we are doing everything we can to take care of them even as they take care of us. as a consequence, what we have been doing here today is reviewing exactly what we know about what's happened in dallas and how we're going to make sure
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that something like this is not repeated. and that we are monitoring supervising, majoverseeing what happening in dallas and making sure that the lessons learned aritted to hospitals all over the country. first of all what i directed the cdc to do, is that as soon as somebody is diagnosed with ebola, we want a s.w.a.t. team to be on the ground within 24 hours, so that they are taking local hospital step by step through exactly what needs to be done and making sure that all the protocols are properly on conserved, that the use of protective equipment is done effectively, the disposal of that protective equipment is
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done properly, that the key thing to understand got this disease is that these protocols work, we know that because they have been used for decades now. in ebola cases around the world. including the cases that were treated in emery and in nebraska. soive they're done properly, they work. but we have to make sure that understandably, certain local hospitals that may not have that experience are walking walked through that process and make sure that this rapid response team can do that. in addition we are reviewing every step of what's happened since mr. duncan was brought in to this hospital in dallas so we understand where some of the problems may have occurred and doing a thorough canvass and
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inventory of all the workers who had contact with mr. duncan, including those who engaged in some testing that took place. we are now communicating all these various lessons to hospitals, clinics, first responders around the country and obviously giving all the attention that this has received, we're going to make sure that that provision of information is constant, ongoing and being updated on a real-time basis. in addition, we are working very carefully with the mayor of dallas and others in texas to make sure that any other cases that arise from these health care workers, that they are properly cared for in a way that is consistent with public safety. i know that people -- here's what we know about ebola.
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that it is not like the flu. it is not airborne. the only way that a person can contract ebola is about coming into direct contact with the bodily fluids of somebody who is showing symptoms, in other words if they don't have symptoms, they're not contagious. what we are able to do however, is to do what's called contact tracing, so that anybody who may have had contact with anyone, even if it was incidental contact, identifying who those individuals are and being sure that they are being monitored in a way that a lllows to us to ma certain that the disease does not spread further.
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i want to use myself as an example just so people have a sense of the science here. i shook hands with, hugged and kissed, not the doctors, but a couple of the nurses at emery because of the valiant work that they did in treating one of the patients. they followed the protocols. they 23450u what they were doing. and i felt perfectly safe doing so. and so this is not a situation in which like a flu, the risks of a rapid spread of the disease are iminnocent. if we do these protocols properly. if we follow the steps, if we get the information out, then the likelihood that widespread ebola outbreaks in this country are very, very low. but i think what we have all learned over the last several
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weeks is that folks here in this country, and a lot of nonspecialnonspecia nonspecialized hospitals and clinics don't have the information to deal with this so we're going to have to push out this information as quickly as possible. and that's the instructions i provided to my team. just a couple of other points. we are going to be monitoring carefully the health status of the other health care workers in dallas, and obviously they're concerned, we understand that many of them are scared and we are going to make sure that we're on the ground 24/7 to provide them the kind of support, information and assurances that they need to get through this particular challenge. and finally, we're also going to be continually examining our screening processes at airports, we're making sure that in the event that we have additional cases that involve the need for
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transporting those patients to special'sed hospitals, that those teams are in place and those facilities are in place, and we will make sure that on a day-to-day basis that we are informing the public with day to day updates about not only what's happening in dallas, but across the country. i'll end with this point, we are going to have to make sure that we do not lose sight of the importance of the international response to what is taking place in west africa. i am absolutely confident that we can prevent a serious outbreak of the disease here in the united states. but it becomes more difficult to do so if this epidemic of ebola rages out of control in west
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africa. if it does, then it will spread globally. in an age of frequent travel and the kind of constant interactions that people have across borders. so it is very important for us to understand that the investment we make in helping liber liberia, sierra leon and guinea deal with this problem. i think it's important that america takes the lead in the humanitarian crisis that's taking place there, but it's also probably the single most important thing we can do to prevent ebola outbreak in this country is making sure that we get what ask a raging epidemic right now in west africa under control. last night i had a conversation
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with prime minister abe in japan, to coordinate an international effort. i spoke with chancellor merkel of germany, the prime minister of italy, as well as david cameron, the prime minister of great britain to make sure that we are coordinating our efforts and putting together a lot more of our resources in the african community. bottom line in terms of the public, i want people to understand that the dparns of you contracting ebola, the dangers of a serious outbreak are extraordinarily low, but we are taking this very seriously at the highest levels of government. and we are going to be able to manage this particular situation, but we have to look toward the future and if we are not responding internationally
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in an effective way and if we do not set up the kind of preparedness and training in our public health infrastructure here in the united states, if not for this outbreak, but for future outbreaks, we could have problems. so in the meantime, i want everybody to think about and be praying for the two health care workers who have gotten sick. those who also treated this patient, with compassion and care, we just want to say thank you to them and we are going to be doing everything we can to make sure that they are properly cared for. okay? thank you very much everybody. >> that was president obama calling together his cabinet today for a meeting in the cabinet room to coordinate our government's response and making a little bit of news here, greg, he said he spoke to several world leaders because one of the things he said yesterday was that the world wasn't doing enough. he used the collateral of the
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united states to call leaderings like abe, merkel and cameron to do more. >> he still needs to instill confidence here. i'm glad we're talking about the world and the world is important, but we need to think about america. >> he used the world extraordinarily unlikely. i don't like that word. >> the only problem they didn't like, he said we're going to continue at the airports screening the way they're going, and it's like trying to stop people at the border. >> we're not stopping them at the border either, because they can come in from those countries as well. i liked his tone, i would like him to be a little bit more persuasive about calming fears here at home. as usual, the u.s. needs to seize the opportunity to lead by
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example. >> dpuo you think he makes the sale bob? >> there was a lot of information that greg was board with. >> special report is next, thanks for being with us. on a stormy day in washington, an embattled president cancels his political travel to confront growing fears of a killer disease, to try to calm a country jittery about a host of issues, just 20 days from a midterm election, this is "special report." good evening, i'm brett baier, president obama is at the white house, not on a planned political swing calling a hastily arranged meeting to calm fears about ebola.

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