what he makes of how his district is handling the scare. that would be 11:00 a.m. eastern sharp on the fox business network. that would be varney and company. fbn. "the five" is next. i'm dana perrino along with kimberly gillfoyle and -- it's new york city and this is "the five". ebola is not an epidemic in the united states but there is a crisis of communications for the administration in charge offer handling the preparations, treatment and response to the problem. today the head of the cdc faced concerned lawmakers on capitol hill. take a look. >> trust and credibility of the administration and government are waning as the american public loses confidence each day with demonstrated failures of the current strategy. >> it would be an understatement to say that the response to the first u.s.-based patient with ebola has been mismanaged

causing risks to scores of additional people. >> we can no longer be reacting to each day's crisis. we need to be aggressive and finally get ahead of this terrible outbreak. >> we need to hold public health systems accountable to standards of preparedness. based on what we know, it appears that texas presbyterian would have not met those standards. >> thomas frieden tried to assure them the cdc can handle the job of keeping americans safe. >> cdc works 24/7 to protect americans. we are there to support, we're there with world-class expertise, and we're there to respond to threats so that we can help protect americans. >> all right. greg, you watched the hearing. anything catch you in the hearings that was a little off? you were talk about something in the green room? >> i realize the panic isn't about the disease. the panic is about the leadership. you get the sense that the aren't competent adults with vacant-eyed camp counselors. i didn't watch the whole thing

because frankly it was pretty boring. but i caught a moment in the hearing where thomas frieden said we're open to ideas that. does not instill confidence when the disease expert you're looking at for hope is looking at politicians and saying we're open to ideas. that's like asking me for advice on being tall. you're not going to get it. there's a real parallel between ebola and isis. the more aloof or dismissive the leadership is the worse things get. as long as you think a threat is j.v., it's always going to graduate to varsity. because your priorities are always elsewhere. >> the problem of credibility worsens last night when it was revealed that the cdc was called by the second nurse and before she flew and she said she had a fever. it was at 99.5. and their standard said 100.4. 99.5 she was told she was allowed to fly. now frieden is saying she should have been told not to fly. listen to this part. >> a second nurse affected by ebola took a flight to cleveland

after she registered a fever. we have a report that says she contacted the cdc and was told she could fly. did she in fact call the cdc and ask for guidance on boarding a commercial flight as far as you know? >> my understanding is that she did contact the cdc and we discussed with her the evaluation. >> ron forney of national journey if we don't hold our leaders accountable especially if he shares our ideology. republicans challenge republicans, democrats challenge democrats vice versa. >> how refreshing. >> we get irresponsible and unresponsive leadership. so i think the leadership class, i call them bureaucratic elites. dr. frieden two or three weeks ago when he came to the podium to talk about how we had everything under control he sounded so confident. today to me he seemed measured, humbled and a little cowed. i don't know if that's necessarily a good thing if he's supposed to be in charge of the response. >> right.

because everybody is sort of hanging on his every word. this is the guy we were looking up to for some guidance, for some confidence to say the have this well in hand. but unfortunately the fact pattern doesn't support that premise. now americans are even more worried about it because the feel we don't have a grasp on it. especially the way it's sort of been haphazard. it's like ping ponging back and forth. at this hospital now we're going to move one to nih, one to emory. where's the disconnect if she called into the cdc and she told them she had what she considered to be a low-grade temp. but yes, by medical standards anything 100.4 and above is considered a fever. >> it seemed yesterday that the president wasn't actually -- it seems that frieden actually didn't know the cdc was called before president obama held an ebola task force meeting that he held in a cabinet meeting yesterday. one of the ideas i had last night was that if i were the white house i would maybe try to

send two people, a communications person and maybe just a good government manager, to be with them at the cdc to try to deal with the communications problem in addition to all the other things the have to be worried about in terms of the potential for more cases. >> yeah. i think we've -- i think it's a good idea. but look, this is not a guy that's used to being caught up in something like this. this guy runs the cdc. the don't usually get this kind of attention. i think most people who go under this barrage of questioning are probably not going to be the best communicators. having said that i'm keeping everybody in mind here there's only two cases here. it's been several weeks. one i think what's happened here is the fear is being spread by us more than it is by the ebola. and that's the problem i've got. >> well, can i add what's generating the fear? what generates -- this hearing generated i'll bet you generated more fear than calm nerves. there were a lot of things that came out that we didn't even know about. one of them, the fact that nurse two was allowed to board a

plane, wasn't quarantined after treating the guy who died from ebola means the cdc wasn't on it from the very get-go that means the didn't know now maybe they are on it but the weren't. >> did she tell them all the symptoms she was having? >> if you're treating an ebola patient you better be quarantined. >> they've admitted the should have -- >> fair enough. but then there was questioning frieden said he was asked what about the medical waste? are you prepared, do you have protocol to dispose of the medical waste? he said well, yeah, typically we burn medical waste. well, is the ebola medical waste more dangerous or harmful than more medical waste? he literally said probably but i'm not really sure. you're not really sure how you're handling the medical waste? one more thought. three schools in ohio closed because some of the people came in contact, either the kids or the parents of the kid, came in contact with nurse two. seven ohioans are quarantined. these things scare people. now, when you look at this -- you have this hearing and it

feels like they're making it up as they go along. they're trying to calm nerves. but they didn't have it ready to go when the had plenty ample opportunity to do that. >> answer silly questions here. i wish the people asking questions -- >> this is a better hearing. [ overlapping speakers ] >> so many ebola specialists now in this country. >> there were four of them there. they were truly ebola specialists. how about this? these five airports are going to stop 94% of the people coming into this country from the three affected countries. 94%. that means 6% at 150 day comes to about 2 to 3,000 people over the course of the year could be coming here through the other airports. >> i'm not ready to let him off the hook for not being a good communicator. he was appointed by president obama, chosen to be the director of the centers for disease control. part of being that director means that you have to be able to communicate effectively to the public. >> right. >> whether they should be

concerned or not. his overconfidence led to problems with them now having to backtrack several different stories. pointing to the ron fornier piece on that. schools closing and people increasingly worried or even panicking, what do you think about the reaction to all of this in terms of how do people process it and decide -- make big decision about whether to keep the kids home from school or not? >> i think the reaction. >> it seems a little overdone. >> yeah, but the thing is, it's something that i've learned in the last couple of weeks. people with kids react differently than people without kids. >> absolutely. >> so i'm like -- i'm saying and i agree with bob. it's not just the cdc's lack of leadership. it's also a combination of creating dread by the media that helps encourage this. however, i think that that public dread is more pronounced among parents than there are people like me who hang out all night and get drunk. but there's also an interesting

contrast of reaction to danger. there's been research that shows that conservatives react more strongly to negative challenges like disease and terror than liberals do. and you can see this in a way in the administration and in places like fox. this suggests to me, and i think bob will disagree, that liberal leadership can only exist in times of calm because theyer slow to react to deadlier threats. so this is why when america is screaming for more serious people and more serious response, it's because the sense that the administration doesn't take their threats seriously. instead the think about childhood obesity and think about climate change as the real threats when in fact the urgent threats, whether it's isis or whether it is ebola, is ignored. and i think that's a real -- i mean, this is actual science. people see this. the see that conservatives react more strongly to big challenges more so than liberals.

>> let's remember the two liberals took us through two world wars. >> true. >> so i think that's a little -- >> but those were different liberals back then, bob. these were democrats. >> you mentioned this in the green room. come together cold and flu season. >> yeah. >> people are going to start thinking that these symptoms instead of being the flu the may have ebola. if you watched that hearing and you watched us talking today, there is going to be a heightened anxiety. i can understand that. but that's why we have a responsibility, all of us who talk about this, to back it off a little bit and stay with the facts. >> true. >> can i point one other thing out? but nurse two, the asked the doctor in dallas who was still in dallas via skype i think or whatever the technology was, they asked him how did nurse two contract ebola and he didn't know. they've been through it top to bottom. the can't figure out how she did. nurse one apparently touched some vomit and that's probably how she got it. but if nurse two, they don't think she touched it and she may have touched something that he touched, if it's that contagious

and these many people are coming over with a 21-day incubation period. the might not even know the have it. don't you think we should be prepared for -- look at the outcry we have for three cases. can you imagine if we have 3,000? >> there's some question about the 21-day incubation. >> we're not prepared for necessarily an outbreak or pan d pandemic. we're not prepared for it spreading. >> the didn't start off well in the communication side. >> it's not the communication side of it. they didn't do it well handling it physically day in and day out. look what happened. >> let me see if i could answer these one at a time here. >> i heard you were good. >> i think when eric says it can be two or 3,000 people coming through. this is the kind of thing people sit back and say i wonder. two or 3,000 or this nurse two. how did they get this? maybe she was in the room. you're saying if it's that contagious. she was in a room with an active ebola case. i think that's probably the best

thing you could say about the answer to it. she was in the room. >> and she was allowed to fly. >> the allowed to fly part is idiotic. but i think what bob's getting at, there is some good news here. i will tell you. despite the horrible mistakes, it has not spread to the community. we have two health care workers who are being treated after they treat add dying man who the were in contact with. the good news is it has not spread to anybody else that was in the community. and that should be encouraging. i think that's what the cdc keeps trying to say in a clumsy way. >> thanks be to god and maybe not to the cdc. but hopefully the aspire to do better. >> may i? if we weren't, i don't know, alarmists or fear mongers, whatever it is and we just kind of said all right so there's a guy and some people died would we run the risk of more happening? of more lax -- clearly the were lax at the very beginning, right, because two more people

have it. my point is by highlighting it, by talking about it a lot do we actually help the cdc along the way fixing the protocol? >> i hope so. >> i want to call on dana. >> that would be great. i think the other thing this has proved once again is that government is not foolproof. government cannot solve all of our problems. and lo and behold we're all still human. and humans make mistakes. the nurses maybe made a mistake. the cdc made a mistake. maybe the president made a mistake. maybe we've made a mistake in terms of how we reported it. so i'm going to end on that. ahead on "the five" democrats and republicans are both trying to spread the blame over the ebola scare. but with the administration in charge of the response the democratic charges have not been held up to scrutiny. we'll tell you what fact checkers found next.

with the mid-term elections coming up, some democrats have been playing politics with the ebola scare blaming republicans for the outbreak. >> the cdc suffers from the continued gridlock in washington. and republicans not funding fully, even though the fight against ebola is bipartisan. >> the roles that the cdc plays in preventing the outbreak of disease is critically important, and it certainly is

disappointing that republicans, at least to this point, haven't shared that commitment to investing in those kind of kriktly important programs. >> the cdc says its discretionary funding has been cut by 585 million since 2010. [ heavy breathing ] >> drama. all right. but there's one problem. it's not true. yeah. the "washington post" gave the attacks four pinocchios calling them absurd, citing there was never even a specific vote on funding to prevent ebola. now, what are you going to do when the facts get in the way of a good spin? >> so here's the real number. by the numbers the nih budget is $30.4 billion this year. that's up from 17 billion in 2000. so is it off the high? yeah, it's off the high. president obama bumped it up by $9 billion of the year of the stimulus, and that pushed it up. it's trailed off a little bit but it's still substantially more -- it's almost up 100% in

14 years. so the can't really go there on that one. but if the nih complains about funding i have a couple of things the want to spend money on. new condom designs, 2.4 million. are chimps right or left-handed. do female fruit flies prefer male or female companions. i have two pages of these. there are literally probably billions of dollars they spend annually on study like this. if they're really worried for funding about ebola maybe the should move money away from that. >> it's distressing about the condoms, too. >> all right, bob. be yourself. save it for 6:00. how much money do the need to have common sense enough to tell a nurse she shouldn't fly if she has a fever after treating the sick man with

ebola? i don't understand, how much money could we throw at that problem that it would have been solved? that is something the will never be able to answer. bureaucratic elite will never be able to answer that but they'll always ask for more money and complain the republicans cut their money even if it's not true and the media fall for it every single time. there are no consequences of democrats. when the lie like this and put up an ad, there's four pin folkos. we'll talk about it here but every other democrat shuts up and moves on as if it didn't happen. we got caught whatever. >> you use what you've got in front of you. i agree it's are probably a pretty nasty ad. but if you're in a tight race and going to put that out there a lot of people don't go with the facts. that's politics. it's been done on both side. not on this one. the democrats have jumped on this. but the democrats are behind. and they're going to use what they've got. i don't particularly blame them for doing it. >> that was a message from our sponsor. anything goes, bob, as long as you win. greg? ebola is a human issue. it is not a political issue. but unfortunately we live in a time and we work in an

atmosphere where politics is sport. politics really in my opinion makes anything better. it rarely makes anything better. it tends to clog up your common sense. it clouds the truth. we know that it's not about cuts, it's about spending. if you increase spending you still have no faith that that money is ever going to go to where it's going to go. everyic pointed out the idiocy, frieden spent so much time going after smokers. people are smoking in new york more than ever. i don't know. i blame dr. keith ablow. >> just for the hell of it? >> yeah. you can't spell keith ablow without ebola. >> that's right. >> but the consequences of political ideology are everywhere. when you have the white house and media and politicians focusing on say a single fatality in ferguson for two solid months. which by the way was a very important story. but the wrighting obsession sapped the country of its focus on other issues. it happens. what happened in first son was very important. but what happened over those two

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to be hopeful. >> if treated early, many affected with ebola have survived. >> not only in the united states and europe. >> but also in guinea. >> liberia, sierra leone. >> with early robust attention ebola is not a death sentence. >> ebola is not a death sentence. >> well, thank you, whoopie, for clearing that up for us. k.g., celebrities on ebola your thoughts. >> 70% fatality rate. scary. dangerous since you have to be identified right away. it has to be contained and controlled. you have to have proper treatment for it. i wish we had larger world supplies and i wish we could help the poor people in west africa. >> that ad is not for us. that ad is for developing worlds. that's why the said ebola is not a death sentence. they're trying to tell people not to panic, not to be scared of doctors. i think it's a very strong ad and a very necessary one for a bunch of countries that are scared. >> that don't have televisions. >> i think it's smart and

useful. don't know, how are the going to get the message? i love it. but the problem is, how can we get that to them? this ad when we can't even get the medicine there? >> i think it is smart and useful. i would have tweaked the messaging a little bit to say how difficult it is to get it. i think it is not a death sentence. kimberly's point yes, if you do get it it's 70%. >> there it is easy to get. because your loved ones are getting it. >> right. so i would say smart and useful and better use of their time than other things we do. >> i don't understand why we criticize it at all. we talk about it. we're no more experts on it than they are. >> absolutely true. i sked why are we listening to celebrities about ebola? why are the listening to us? one of the strikest moments of the 2014 election cycle, party flip-flopper charlie crist throwing a curveball to fluorescent gofd rick scott at the debate last night. crist put a fan under his podium. governor scott refused to come

out if chris got the fan. grown men acting like little middle school kids. watch. >> the rules of the debate that i was shown by the scott campaign say that there should be no fan. for that reason, ladies and gentlemen, i am being told that governor scott will not join us for this debate. >> we have a debate about a fan or are we going to talk about education and the environment and the future of our state? [ cheers and applause ] >> that has to be the most unique beginning to any debate. >> so dana, i thought it was petty. >> there's a history. democrats cheat a lot, okay? bob, you admit it. you're proud of it. you say i've done that all my life. that's how i built my political career. >> not only democrats. >> when rick scott cass a candidate, republican candidate, he went to delight alex sink, the democratic candidate in florida.

one of the rules was you cannot have anybody come up to you commit commercial breaks except your make up artists. that way you can't pass messages. what do the do? the makeup artist brings her phone and shows while she's doing the makeup a text message from the campaign manager. ruins alex sink's campaign. she fired her campaign manager the next day. but to me that comes from the top. a little cheating stuff. plus i think it is very weird. why does he need a fan everywhere he goes? i think that is creepy to me. >> marco rubio was ridiculed for drinking water in a speech. this guy needs a fan everywhere he goes. is he having hot flashes? what is the problem? >> rebuttal to that and we'll pass it on? >> i think this reaction of the audience will tell you what the political consequences of this are. stty. he wouldn't come out because of fan? i mean, yes, did crist break the rules? yes, he did. but the reality the politics will be like that audience. are going to boo and laugh. that's where scott is going to cost himself this. >> some people booed when rick scott wouldn't come out.

other people were yelling rules rules. >> it's weird. so crist put a fan under his podium? i thought only bill clinton did that. zing. that's all i got, people. >> oh, my gosh. you can retire at halftime. you get to leave and go eat snacks. look, you got to follow the rules. you got to play it fair. i think the fan thing is very very strange, but nonetheless i would have come out and said fan or no fan you can fill the room with ten i'm going to whoop you something right now. >> why not just come out and say when you're having back and forth in some issues, this is a serious issue. it means we have to follow the rules. you've got a fan under there. >> right. >> that is what he did in the alex sink debate. he actually pointed it out on camera doing the debate she had cheated. that's what ended her campaign >> it worked. take your own advice. >> house of cards. homeland, walking dead some of my favorites. none however are on hbo where they're rolling out a brand-new way of watching your favorite tv

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straight ahead what happens when a bunch of environmentalists try to use renewable energy to inflate and power an inflatable coal plant. can't wait to see this.

their power turned sour. protesters in wisconsin didn't like madison gas and electric's new rates, saying it drove people away from renewable energy. the brought up a blow-up coal plant meant to be inflated by renewables, a fan powered by a solar panel backed up by batteries charged with wind power. it was like an inflatable doll for al gore. it went great. >> while chanting "coal has got to go" and calling for the greater use of renewable energy, the blow-up coal plant unfortunately collapsed because the batteries ran out of power and the solar panel did not create enough energy to power it. >> the should have stopped

there. poor things. >> same protesters that opposed mge for not using more renewable energy later admitted the would typically plug the fan into a gas-powered generator or an outlet that would likely be powered by reliable electric source like mge. >> this is the first time we've ever done it. >> they use generators or hook it up to an electric outlet. then you can keep it running continuously. >> okay. >> so the usually power their pathetic prop with nonrenewable energy like gas generators or plugging it into the wall courtesy of the company they're protesting against. the company lets these sad sacks use the energy the hate. i know making fun of these people is like shooting fish in a inflatable plant but we should and here's. why do you think their failure will actually change their minds? clinging to ideology they are incapable of absorbing facts culled from real experience. worse, demonizing coal has consequences that go beyond

failed inflatables. as i've ed many times before, millions of poor people die each year for lack of coal. the burn inpure crap that's literally crap, dung. so if you're okay with making them live their lives in substandard conditions because you pretend to care then your head is filled with more air than your stupid failed balloon. it's amazing you don't float away. >> how many times are we going to listen to that dung story? >> because it's important. indoor air pollution is like the worst thing in the world and we don't do anything. do you think they learned something there, bob. >> it's always amazing to me, one of the cardinal rules of doing a political demonstration with a prop is to be sure the prop works before you take it out. if it doesn't work you leave anytime the car, right? you can still make your point. i've seen this happen over and over again. it's amazing to me people still do it. first of all the idea of trying to blow up something. i don't know. it's amazing to me. i've seen it so many times. no, they won't learn from it. >> eric, i will say this.

isn't it nice the company helps them snout. >> maybe the company sponsored that. maybe they're pretending to be coal protesters. there's do that. that would be genius. >> conspiracy stuff actually helping you out there. >> make a quick point. environmentalists love the electric-powered cars. the love them. but again, what do you do? you plug the car into the the wall and they burn coal-powered electricity. it's so insane. >> but it's not radio. >> electric cars are not spewing out exhaust, right? >> how do they get charged? >> i understand your point. but nonetheless, it still is with electric cars you're putting less stuff in the air, right? >> probably not when you account for the coal production producing the -- anyway. >> but it makes them feel better. >> if i were in the vast academic media complex as we've talked about, i would make them watch this video, okay? i would play it in some sort of basic class that everybody has to take. because it's interesting.

young people will say i really want to go into something that's going to make a difference in the world. the companies that are making a difference in the world or have the profits to do so are companies like lockheed martin which announced yesterday that they think they have figured out how to do nuclear fusion which would allow for power in a much cleaner way with a much smaller footprint they could have been been there. >> k.g., do you think the blew it? >> totally. let me tell you something. this is how much faith and confidence i have in solar. what do i care about more in life than salami? hot tub-controlled power. the only way i power in the hamptons is solar for the pool because i don't go in it and i have a back up heater. the hot tub is like -- >> you're right. i understand that. just don't forget about it. >> it's true. >> it's not perfected. so let's just get real.

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who picks the music? >> i have no idea. do you know what it is? with the ebola scare there's a lot of debate about whether the u.s. should ban travelers from some west african nations from come together united states. the obama administration's still against it. the cdc director has said it wouldn't be in our interests. last night on "the o'reilly factor" the chair of the hearings on the hill said tom frieden told him something else. >> you talked to dr. frieden yourself, i understand, about the travel ban, did you not? >> yes, i did. he explained to me that the concern was that these are fledgling democrat says. if we put a travel ban that may affect their economy and harm them. >> are you kidding me? this guy is telling you a theoretical thing that their fledgling economies may be damaged? his job is to protect us. >> exactly. health should be the concern. >> not some theoretical thing

about maybe an economy will be damaged. this is why this guy's got to go. he's got to go! >> i see it as we can still move planes in and out of there with supplies. we can do a lot. >> of course. >> he's got to state. he's got to stay! >> eric, what do you think about o'reilly's point? the fact is these countries are going to suffer terribly economically as a result of this and maybe that's not in our best interests. >> our best interests is protecting americans. i agree with bill o'reilly on this one. i'm for a travel ban. i've been for a travel ban for a long time. i'm concerned about 10,000 new cases per week. some of them are going to slip through. i think we'll have our hands full. again maybe not an epidemic or pandemic or outbreak, but i don't think we're prepared to handle it. it could cost us a lot of money. again, okay, so we're worried about the economic ramifications of a travel ban on three countries that literally maybe only 150 people come and go from i thday. i think that's what tom frieden

said today. so i think the risks outweigh the reward of maybe having to spend a few more bucks to help them out financially. >> you've been in west africa. you know the medical problems there. it does have an affect on their economy, doesn't it? >> well, i think what the president is facing right now is two bad options. there are consequences for a travel ban. and there are consequences for not doing the travel ban. so what leadership is is making a decision not based on what the american people are asking for. if that was the case we never would have done the surge and had the success we had in iraq at that time. but on this case, i think that the president will have to choose the least bad option, and i think that consensus is forming around a travel ban is necessary. and i take that after having for several days tried to listen to the experts the man would writes for national review, a health care expert, he writes a very smart piece today on national review. i encourage people to take a look at it. he said he talked to many people, reporters, medical

people, travel people. he said he believes they will end up having to do a travel ban. but i think it's two really bad options. people in africa have the innate, inherent survival instincts that all of us do. and if they find out that they're being quarantined, they are being shut down, the will try. it's impossible. you can't shut down an entire country. the will try to leave. that's when you have multiplication of contagion. >> that's a good point. these people if the believe they're being fenced in and their instinct is to survive, they're going to go over that fence survive, they will go ove the fence, or under it, is that right? >> that's possible, bob. but if we give them sufficient health to eradicate it there, which should really be the focus and the purpose for these hearings, how we can get rid of this, how we can shut it down, help them there. direct the money there. if we eradicate ebola, we don't have to have the economic concerns that the head of the cdc -- he's not an economist. his job is to focus about spread and not worry about the economy.

that's another guy's job. he should say, what should i do to help the american people? guess what, by helping the american people, you can also help the west africans. shut it down, get rid of it. then we don't have to have a travel ban. don't always be last to do something. why are we always behind? why don't we be on the forefront of something with good ideas? and making courageous decisions that ultimately are going to benefit everybody? >> the last sentence off of that thing, that's a very good point. but until you started -- >> then it got better. >> yes, it did. >> greg, now, say they want volunteers to go to west africa to do work, would you go? >> no. i'm a coward. but i don't get the logic. if you keep people from leaving, that means no one can go in. that makes no sense to me at all. to keep talking about a blanket ban, that's ridiculous. no one is saying a blanket ban. they're saying, you can have special flights go in, just stop with the commercial flights. there's a big error in my mind in the world of media, and

politics. combining a health crisis, with the immigration issue. so if you want to travel ban, somehow you dislike foreigners. this idiocy is borne from the racial accusation theme that is often married to people who are against illegal immigration. so what happens is, if you say, like i have a problem with travel from these countries, somehow that's racist. >> that was too intelligent for me to follow. >> one more thing is up next. and just give them the basics, you know. i got this. [thinking] is it that time? the son picks up the check? [thinking] i'm still working. he's retired. i hope he's saving. i hope he saved enough. who matters most to you says the most about you. at massmutual we're owned by our policyowners,

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it's time for one more thing. and bob gets to go first. >> you know, all this bad news that we've had. let's put some good news in here. the unemployment fell to an all-time low. available jobs at a 13-year high for all the people who say there's no work out there for people. 248,000 jobs created last month alone. congratulations to the recovery. >> all part-time. >> oh, god, please. >> yep. >> three-quarters of them were part-time. >> eric? >> last night, first time in 29 years.

>> fair ball. 29 years of frustration has ended! the royals are going to the world series! >> congratulations to kansas city. first time in 29 years. by the way, last time was 1985, kimberly's year of birth. they swept the orioles, and, yeah, they swept the angels. >> greg, next? >> finally royals news i can handle. >> funny. >> all right. time for the 2014 international feline olympics. adam whiskers over here destroying records in the obstacle course. it was amazing. he almost had no competition. shattering all previous records by minutes. the audience went crazy. he won. didn't get a medal. he won a scratching post. and $20 million sponsorship in

kitty litter. he was later arrested for drunk driving. >> aw. that's awful. >> that's what happens. you go up, you go down. >> i'm going to try with a, i'm so sorry, i'm really sorry. i'm still bono and i'm still cool. this is a problem. apparently now bono saying he's very sorry for giving the three album on itunes about a month ago on september 9th. it wasn't really what he intended the way it turned out. listen to his words. you decide. >> oops. sorry about that. i had this beautiful idea. i got carried away with it. artists are prone to that kind of thing. there's a lot of noise out there. >> what? didn't they get $100 million for this? >> no, but people were annoyed.

the icloud thing was penetrated, right? >> i'm sorry i made $100 million? >> people felt like it was an invasion of their privacy. they automatically got the album. even when you give it to them for free -- >> if you donate. >> fine. >> thank you. >> actually. >> i hate that word, actually. don't say actually, young ladies. it's a drum battle between the republic of korea army band and united states marines. first, the koreans. ♪ not so bad, right? but check out the united states marines. ♪ >> what i love about that is even the koreans love the united

states marines. that's it for us. i have a cold, i'm sorry. "special report" is next. and we'll be back here tomorrow. for the second day in a row, a president under fire, opens his late afternoon cabinet meeting to reporters and cameras. the topic? ebola. and what the administration is and is not yet doing to stem the possibility of more cases coming into the country. or being transmitted here. this is "special report." good evening. i'm bret baier. the sense of urgency and fear over a disease that has so far killed exactly one person on american soil. but it is the potential from the deadly ebola virus that has the