she was infected. so on that friday, that is the day the nurse flew from dallas to cleveland. on that sunday is the day the other nurse got on board the cruise ship and went on out to the caribbean. >> martha: we knew there was a problem at that point. bill: real time happening. martha: no clamp down on travel given all the information. "happening now" starts right now. see you monday. jon: on that score, with this fox news alert. president obama finally ready to name a so-called ebola czar, ron klain, former vice-presidential chief of staff. that is "happening now." heather: i'm heather nauert in for jenna lee. fox news learning the president will appoint ron klain as the nation's point person to handle the ebola crisis. klain is a former chief of staff to two vice presidents, al gore and joe biden. political in nature certainly. we'll talk more about that

coming up. meantime the nih reports that nurse nina pham is in fair condition as she sends an emotional message from her hospital bed. we'll play that later. she was transferred from dallas to the nih overnight. pham is the first medical worker to come down with ebola in the united states after she cared for thomas duncan who died from the disease last week. jon: another health care worker hoe may have handled duncan assessing men's is on a carnival cruise at sea. the cries line says the passengers is isolated for the rest of the cruise. amber vinson the other infected

person with ebola, she flew from dallas and back days before her symptoms appeared. she is being treated at emory hospital in atlanta. our jonathan serrie is reporting to outside of the offices at the cdc. jonathan? >> reporter: cdc next to emory university so extremely busy here as the cdc continues to identify and monitor persons with possible exposure to the ebola virus. one of those persons on board a carnival cruise ship in the caribbean. reportedly a lab supervisor at the texas hospital that treated now deceased ebola patient thomas duncan. although she did not have direct contact with mr. duncan, health officials say she may have handled blood specimens or other samples as recently as 11 days ago. given the maximum incubation period for ebola is 21 days, health officials regard her as extremely low risk. out of abundance of caution she and her husband are voluntarily isolating themselves to their

cabin in the end of the cruise. cdc is expanding list of airline passengers it is contacting after learning another health care worker from the hospital who ended up testing positive for ebola had flown to ohio for wedding planning. they believe she may have become ill before the return flight when she initially reported she had a very low-grade fever. expanded notification now includes passengers on board nurse amber vinson's outbound flight on october 10. that is in addition to the return flight on october 13. and as an added precaution, front tear airlines is contacting all 750 passengers who flew aboard that aircraft after those flights and before the aircraft was taken out of service for deep cleaning. the cdc says the risk to any of the airline passengers, anyone who traveled on board that cruise ship in question is extremely low but any travelers with any concerns can call

1-800-cdc-infee for more information. -- info. jon: jonathan serrie, thank you. >> we're talking about isis, according to new report, iraqi pilots who joined isis are allegedly training terrorists to fly three syrian fighter jets captured from a syrian base that was overrun. the pentagon says they are not aware of any such training at this point. but in the meantime, what could be a shift in the control for the battle of the syrian border town of kobani which has been under siege for a month by isis? let's talk to greg palkot. he is live with all of this at the turkey-syria border with the latest. greg, a lot going on there. >> reporter: heather, for the last few days our sources have been saying isis terrorists to some degree have been pulling back inside of kobani. to a large degree we reckon that as courtesy of the united states. for yet another day u.s. fighter jets were busy over the skies of

kobani. our sources say there were more airstrikes against "the town" overnight. in fact all told, there have been well over 60 airstrikes against isis in kobani since monday. and that is a game-changer for sure. now all across the town today we saw more sporadic clashes between isis and the kurdish defenders of kobani. the terrorists hitting especially hard between kobani and turkey. that is a lifeline for the besieged city and our contacts also tell us that the terrorists brought in more fighters and weaponry overnight. their casualties are mounting but don't seem like they want to give up. we're told they hold at least 20% of the town. and for our information about isis possibly training on mig aircraft, that turns out to be true, it is yet another example of veterans of the old saddam hussein iraqi military adding expertise to the terrorists. that is a deadly combination for

sure. back to you, heather. heather: certainly. greg palkot. thank you so much. a bit later in the hour we'll talk to a former fighter jet pilot about that report. to see what it takes to train these guys and is this happening? also, what implication was be for this battle. that's coming up. jon: we are just 18 days away from midterm elections but control of the senate, well might not end up being decided until sometime in january, at least two tight races could be headed for a runoff. what does that mean? john roberts live in atlanta with some of the possibilities. john? >> reporter: jon, good morning to you. it is just never easy, is it? we might not know 2015 who controls the senate depending how close the races are that's because in two of closest and most hard-fought battles for control of the senate they go to runoffs if the candidates don't achieve 50% of the vote. where are those races? louisiana, where incumbent democratic senator mary landrieu squaring off against republican

congressman bill cassidy and tea party candidate rob maness. none of them may achieve 50%. certainly maness won't. in georgia david perdue and michelle nunn are locked into head-to-head race with libertarian candidate elizabeth swafford. likely none of them may reach 50% either. look at this, date for runoff in louisiana is december 6th. but the date for the georgia runoff isn't until the 6th of january. that is three days after the 114th congress is supposed to be seated or at least the official date when they are supposed. we could get into aituation, november fifth after the general election, it could be tied up 49-49 or republicans might lead 50-48. in which case, according to larry sabato of university of virginia we will see a battle roil. >> if control of the senate depend on the outcome of races in louisiana and georgia there will be a bloodbath and it will

be a very expensive bloodbath between the parties. >> reporter: the full firepower of the national parties, outside groups and billionaire-backed pacs will be brought to bear on louisiana and georgia. sabato said expenditures could top $100 million. while turnout for runoffs historically is lower than the general election, karl rove thinks with what is at stake, the historical models may not hold in this case. >> these really are the contests that settle the control of the united states senate. i wouldn't be surprised to see turnout for the november election, turnout for january and turnout here for december. >> reporter: why is georgia not until january you ask? it is because a georgia state law gives military voters and absentee voters 45 days from the time they receive their ballot to fill it out and send it in. because of the christmas holidays, the first real opportunity they could hold a runoff election is not until january 6th. so if the balance of power hinges on georgia, likely the start of the 114th congress

would be delayed. >> interesting. john roberts, thank you. for more, let's bring in nina easton, columnist and washington editor for "fortune" magazine, also a fox news contributor, along with jamie weinstein, senior editor of "the daily caller." jamie, i'm a guy who likes to put elections behind me come november and go into the christmas holiday season and with good cheer and good wishes and all of that. might not happen this year sounds like. >> it might not happen. as larry sabato said if this is where the election hinges on control of senate, hinges on the two race in georgia and louisiana, what you will see in next month 1/2, in case of georgia, politicalpalooza in these states. conservative and democratic superstars will rally bases to get them out to vote. probably see on the right, probably see rand paul an ted cruz and marco rubio and maybe even bring out the big guns like chuck norris. and on the left you make, can

pretty much be sure that bill clinton will make a stop down there to rally the voters for the democratic side. and in the case of georgia, as you mentioned, not until january the runoff would be. you will see the voters seeing many more campaign ads and presence during the holiday season which i think, if you're like me, that is not exactly what you want to see during the holiday season, campaign ads all over television, but that is what they will see. jon: nina, instead of telling people to buy dolls or whatever for the christmas holidays, you're growing to be seeing attack ads all the way through december and beyond potentially in these couple of states. >> jon, possibly. i think louisiana there is very good chance of a runoff because senator landrieu is at about 44%. the odds of her getting to 50% are slim. when you put her up against the republican cassidy, one-on-one without the third candidate, the tea party candidate, she is, she is far behind.

landrieu party, landrieu family has very deep roots in louisiana, you never know what they could pull out of their hat but georgia is interesting because there is libertarian candidate in that race and the history in georgia is that voters on the libertarian, who trend libertarian, a lot of times come home to the republican party as the election approaches. so even though that is very tight race between nunn and her republican opponent, it is very possible that those libertarian votes will go republican at the end of the day. jon: apologize to our viewers for audio interference. we'll try to run that down and figure out what is going on. jamie, what if they don't have answer in those two states and what if, you know, the senate is tied at that point? i mean who gavels in the senate on, i guess it will be january 3rd? does harry reid get the gavel? does somebody else get the gavel? >> they had have in the past,

situations where jim jeffords switched parties and made changes who controls the senate at that time. but i'm not exactly sure what occurs when they come into senate and still a vote going on the next day. but it should be noted it is very possible that they still may have these runoff elections in the control of the senate is already decided. if elections were to happen today, polling suggestions that republicans could have enough seats already even taking out georgia and louisiana to control the senate. they lead in seven states. they would have pickups and if you took out, let's say they lost georgia, or had a runoff there, they would still have the six seats they needed to control the senate. so we may have these runoffs and republicans if they have a good day on, in november, already have control of the senate going into the next year. jon: at any rate, nina, sound like people in georgia and louisiana might want to extend or plan for an extended campaign season? >> that's right. i think, i think there will be a lot of money put into this as we

heard, a lot of resources on both sides and i think the nastiness on both side will escalate as because these are very key races as you pointed out. jon: yeah. >> and hang in the balance. jon: so much for peace on earth, good will to men, right? all right. nina easton, jamie weinstein, thank you both. >> thank you. heather: don't be a grinch. jon: because humbug. >> seems like it has been a really mad scramble to contain the ebola virus and find anyone exposed to it. the government taking a whole lot of heat for what critics are saying is a series of big mistakes. are we doing everything we can to control this disease? caught on camera, a brazen thief snatching mail packages in broad daylight. look at this here. jon: what? heather: wait until you hear what the person who owned that package said was in that heavy box? uh-huh.

jon: right now some crime stories we're following for you. connecticut police still trying to identify an asian man in his 30s that attacked two passengers with a bock cutter on a bus earlier this week -- box cutter a trooper shot and killed suspect. investigators are working with police around the country to figure out who he was. $9,000 worth of packages gone in 30 seconds. take a look at this. you can see a woman stealing mail from outside of this home in henderson, arizona. but the owner says the joke is really on the thief. those boxes contained nothing but safe deposit looks for banks. two crooks rob a home in chandler, arizona. they even take the surveillance cameras because they want to try to cover their tracks. but guess what? the footage was reported online. it includes a close-up shot of one of the suspects. police say, just a matter of time before they're found. joke's on them. >> not too bright.

huh? jon: no. heather: talk about ebola. first nurse in dallas to contract ebola from a dying patient was flown to national institutes of health in maryland. that makes one patient in maryland, two at emory university hospital in at lant and an and there is the nbc cameraman being treated in nebraska. and numerous people in quarantine. airline and cruise line scrambling to get a hold on this. public health firms face more tough questions every single day. let's bring in the director of the texas children's hospital for vaccine development and founding dean of the national school for tropical medicine at baylor college of medicine. good morning, thanks for joining us. first i want to get your reaction to the news that the president is going to be naming a czar to handle ebola. what do you think of that? good idea? >> well, good morning. i think it is an interesting choice. he deliberately, presumably deliberate think chose a non-medical physician in order to lead this and this may reflect the multidisciplinary

nature of the problem with ebola. it has gone beyond simply being a public health problem. it brings ems, fire, rescue. brings the environment. brings in a lot of multifactorial elements to it and presumably he made that choice accordingly. heather: is naming of a political person in nature because he worked for the vice president, vice president al gore as well, does that make sense to you? >> well i don't know a lot about him. i don't have a real, don't have my arms around his politics and whether he is a very, really is a political appointment or not at this point. i think we'll have to wait and see, see how things pan out and give him a chance to do a good job. heather: let me ask you about this. we had a press conference from the national institutes of health. we heard about that yesterday. you were watching the hearing closely on capitol hill. do you believe the united states is doing everything it can to protect people against the spread of ebola? >> i think it is. it you look at, all of the

contacts from mr. duncan so far that were in the community, have been identified and put in ace like and -- isolation, and as a result we had no community acquired ebola infections so far. that's a very good sign. we have sad instance, two instances where you have two health care workers who acquired ebola virus infection. now they have been referred to specialized facilities which is a move i welcome because it is very difficult to take care of these patients. we know these are very complicated patients. and somebody only treated very specially. heather: they're in quarantine, including in the state of ohio because nurse number two was up in ohio over the weekend. i'm wondering if you think any medical worker who has come in contact with somebody who sin teched with ebola should be put under some sort of mandatory quarantine? seems seems as though the current system has not worked terribly well? >> well, let's look what we know about the virus.

we know this is virus in early stages. there is little virus in the system. but as you move towards the coming days and yieldness, and advance in yieldness you start having a lot of virus in your system. anyone who came in contact with mr. duncan was potentially exposed to quite a lot of virus that was in that patient and in his secretions. i think all of those health care workers need to be identified, isolated and put into the quarantine. that is the way to go. heather: i'm thinking about those medical workers at nih for example, working on somebody by day and potentially going home at night. and preparing food for their kids or something. if the folks in texas weren't safe i wonder how safe the rest of our medical workers are right now? >> well, the good thing about the nih as well as the facility at emory university and the one in mon fan that and one in nebraska, these workers train every day, or -- heather: we certainly do have a lot of other hospitals out there. >> as a result i think the risk is minimized.

heather: doctor, thanks so much for joining us. >> the battle against isis could be taking a new turn. the report about what the terrorists may be training to do with captured fighter jets. could it alter this conflict? [gunfire]

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right now, the reports are of three jets. this is mig 21, mig 23. put it in perspective. these are second and third generation fighters. what we're flying are super hornets. those are fifth generation fighters. i flew fourth generation fighters. these are old jets. three jets, jon? i'm saying don't bring a knife to a gunfight. a fighter pilot's dream to shoot down a mig. if they start flying and i think that's what we'll start seeing to happen. heather: how long does it get somebody trained up to fly a fighter jet? hijackers on 9/11, they learned how to take off but not necessarily land. certainly damage could be done with this? >> certainly damage can be done. it takes time to become a fighter attack pilot. for fighter attack pilots, flying is basic. what they are is weapons systems operators. you have to learn how to operates the jet as weapons system. nothing to laugh off. certainly it sounds like islamic state is trying to develop a professional military.

i'm sure they would love to have professional air force. tough look how quickly we established air superiority air dominance over iraq in persian gulf 1. that will speak to what this threat really is. jon: also, i mean, for instance, when you as training as a fighter pilot, you trained for two years before actually taking control of an f-18? >> well before i was full up round as they would say, flying an f-18 i had almost three years in flight school, learning to be a pilot learning to land on an aircraft carrier and full year flying f-18s in training before being sent out to the fleet. it does take some time. to heather's point, maybe they use these to essentially use them as suicide missions but that would be a big waste of what they seem to consider an asset. again, you know, things to think about though. some of the weapons that they have on the ground don't take as much technology and as many high-tech call parts to kind of keep them in order. but when you're talking about airplanes, you're growing to

have to have missiles. going to have to have your bombs. going to have to have a lot of different parts to keep the airplanes flying. that is another thing to consider. heather: the pentagon said we're not aware of isis conducting flight operations in syria or elsewhere. they will keep eye on it. i would imagine this will be in their cross-hairs for sure to take out the planes if they can spot them. >> first of all i have to tell you one of my old buddy is the deputy centcom commander. vice admiral. he was first person to shoot a mig down in persian gulf one. he is first in line wanting to hop in an f-18 to take one of these out. they will certainly have their eye on this as potential threat. i don't think something at point we need to be too terribly concerned about. heather: interesting, isn't it? great to get perspective from you as former f-18 pilot. >> thanks. heather: we'll talk about this later in the show. serious threat but something like we can handle. jon: captured weaponry in the hands of isis, never a good thing. oscar pistorius about to

learn his fate about the shooting death of his girlfriend. both sides make arguments during his sentencing hearing. we'll tell you when the judge will make her ultimate ruling. the cdc director insists imposing a travel ban to deal with the ebola crisis is a bad idea. but his argument is raising a lot of eyebrows. our media panel talks about this coming up.

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jon: still to come this hour of "happening now," a judge set to decide oscar pistorius's

sentence on a conviction on culpable homicide? the shooting death of his girlfriend of the his penalty hearing wrapping up today. we'll have a live report from south africa. growing questions whether the cdc's initial recommendations on treating ebola were sufficient. a look at what's being done to make sure what happened in dallas does not happen again. shifts in consumer spending expected this holiday season. how much americans will shell out this year and where. >> well the fate of oscar pistorius is now in the hand of a south african judge. pistorius convicted of culpable homicide? the shooting death of his girlfriend reeva steinkamp. his penalty hearing wrapping up today with both sides making their closing arguments but he won't learn his sentence until next week. paul tilsley joins us live on the phone from south africa with the latest from the courtroom. hi, paul? >> reporter: hi, heather. for seven months i have walked

oscar pistorius walk purposely in the court. today in the courtroom i watched prosecutors and defense attorneys smile at each other for final time at this trial as they finished closing arguments. the defense compared shooting of reeva steinkamp to killing a goat and said pistorius south sieve supervision under house arrest for three years. in contrast, prosecutor harry nel wants "the blade runner" to serve jail time. >> the minimum term that the side will be happy with is 10 years imprisonment. >> reporter: barry rue for the defense said pistorius -- would make a lot of money. nel snapped back, feel sorry for me i could have made millions. the defense made much of fact there are no rails to hold on to in showers in prison and that is one of the reasons pistorius should not be able sent to

james. nel check the crime scene in pistorius's house and there are no rails in the shower room. until then pistorius will sit in his uncle's three-story exclusive mansion, wondering whether this is his last weekend of freedom. this luxury home over looks the area which houses central prison. a single cell may await for him. heather. heather: paul tilsley, live from south africa, thanks so much. jon: the director of the centers for disease control on the congressional hot seat. you might have seen it yesterday about this time. answering questions about the national response to ebola and the lack of travel restrictions. listen to this exchange with congressman tim murphy. >> my sole concern is to protect americans. we can do that by continuing to take the steps we're taking here at as well -- >> did someone advise you on that? someone outside of yourself, somebody else advise you that is the position we need to protect

fledgling democracies? >> my recollection of that conversation is that that discussion was in the context of our ability to stop the epidemic at the source. jon: so there was a conversation about it but with whom? are the news media giving this fair coverage? judy miller, pulitzer-prize-winning investigative reporter and fox news contributor. lynn sweet, washington bureau chief for "the chicago sun-times." i was reading, lynn, the full transcript of that exchange. he was asking, he was asked, you know, where did this opinion come from that is of high importance and frieden begins his answer by saying my sole concern is to protect americans. i mean that is one of those, do not answer the question kind of responses that makes my reporters ears perk up. what about yours? >> well, right. you always want, sometimes these hearings are frustrating because you can't get to the bottom of the story but they're useful because they flag areas to

pursue such as, you're pointing out, who advised the doctor, who was in a lost hot water in that hearing as i'm sure you and judy know, for a variety of seemingly missteps by the cdc that led to these nurses contributing to these nurses being infected by the ebola patient. jon: yeah. judy, the speculation and, we don't have any proof, but the speculation is that somebody was telling the doctor, no, we don't want to stop all flights to west africa. that would just be bad. it would be, hurt these fledgling democracies but where are the media on this? i mean are they asking who he had this conversation with? the point kind of got dropped. >> jon, come on, we can not accuse the media of not covering any aspect of outbreak. if anything, we have overcovered this outbreak. no americans have died of ebola. of course we want tom frieden to

be in meetings with the white house officials, with others who are charged with combating this disease. that is what you want. you want communication. but i don't think anyone told him what to say. doctor frieden is one of the leading epidemiologists in this country and hauling him right now in the middle of his efforts to combat this disease in front after congressional panel calls for his resignations all of this, does not help. i think it is overkill. and i i want to salute shepherd smith saying again and again and again on fox news, calm down, people. support public health efforts to fight this disease. we're going to get through it. >> lynn, you know, judy makes the point that no americans have died of this disease but we know of at least two americans that caught it and at least in west africa you know, the fatality rate, mortality rate is more than 50%. i mean this is not something, yeah, it may be rare but it is

something that is certainly very dangerous. >> oh absolutely. i want to underscore and amplify judy's comments because this is a story that's being covered on the international, national and even local level as cities that think they may have a chance of getting ebola patients are preparing front page of my newspaper for two days in a row in the "chicago sun times" which has had no ebola outbreaks but certainly o'hare is a airport where there is extra screenings going on. so i think you can't call this an undercoverred story by any means though as you say there might be parts of the story you wish had more coverage. so, you know, i don't know if anybody is ignoring this at all. i don't think so i agree with judy on that. >> 35,000 americans may die this year because of the flu? are we up in arms about that? are we encouraging people day in, day out to get the flu shots? to learn about how diseases are

spread? no, we're not. we only get hysterical when something like this happens. ebola is ravaging africa. it is not ravaging america. and the way to fight ebola is just what the administration has said, which we've got to go over there and contain the outbreak there. and we can argue about whether or not flight bans are our interest or diverging energy but we can not accuse the media of undercoverring this story. i accuse the media of hyping the story at the moment. that is my problem with it. jon: there may be 35,000 americans who die of the flu, but that doesn't mean 70,000 americans are going to catch it. i mean what i'm talking about mortality rate from ebola very severe. not the same as with the flu. >> it is not, you're right. jon: millions of people get the flu every year but half of them don't die. >> yes. but a lot would not get it if they bothered to get a flu shot. and the media have an obligation to tell us about how diseases are spread and they're not. right now you can't get ebola

from drinking the water. it's not airborne. it could be hypothetically, theoretically though most doctors i know don't say. that i wrote a book in, just after the anthrax attack called, germs, about ebola, marburg and other exotic diseases like this. as far as i know we were not in danger then and we're not really in danger now of a mass epidemic in this country because of that disease. i worry about lots of other things, jon, not that. jon: i guess, lynn, and last point, but the thing is, when two nurses who are trained in sanitization and all the protocals, when two nurses come down with the virus, it makes the rest of us say wait a minute. >> that's true but two things or three things, four could be true at same time, which is everything judy is saying and yes, clearly somehow in this protocol something got messed up or the infectious disease control containment didn't work. that's clear but you can't necessarily take these two nurses coming down and that breakdown and into taking it to

the, you know to the stage larger that judy is talking about whether or not this is going to be a massive epidemic in the united states. of this is clearly not an undercoverred story. jon: i think a lot of people are talking about it, judy. the media simply reflect that. >> that's true. jon: thank you, judy miller and lynn sweet. >> thank you. heather: schools closed and all of that. the bridal shop in ohio, so many things affected by this. jon: when you find out that second nurse got on an airplane, when she was already sporting a fever, it makes people take notice. heather: catherine herridge reported earlier that the nih is keeping a very close eye on this, concerning that the disease could potentially mutate. we'll keep watching that story. that's a big one. vice president joe biden's son has been kicked out of the u.s. navy reserve? "wall street journal" reports that hunter biden was discharged after testing positive for cocaine use. he reportedly failed a drug teslas year and was discharged back in february.

and now to a statement to fox news, hunter biden says, quote, it was the honor of my life to serve in the u.s. navy and i deeply regret and embarrassed that my actions led to my administrative discharge. i respect the navy's decision with love and support of my family. i'm moving forward. hunter biden is the youngest of joe biden's children. he is married with three children of his own. jon: remember last winter, a lot of us, specially in the northeast, would not. it was brutal across the country. remember the polar vortex? is it lining up for another punch? we have the government's official winter forecast ahead. we talk to someone part of our national line of defense against ebola. are u.s. hospitals and emergency rooms getting ready to fight a deadly disease? >> we're going to educate people, nurses. the nurses are saying, across the country they have not been involved and that they are not trained properly.

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jon: let's check out what's ahead on "outnumbered" at top of the hour. andrea, harris, what do you have? >> hi, jon. the president named an ebola czar who apparently has no health care background but quite the political resume'. we'll delve right into that. >> meanwhile, texas governor rick perry is about to speak on the ebola crisis and his state's efforts to better monitor dozens of health care workers down in texas who had contact with the west african patient who died in the hospital in dallas. >> also controversy as a high school football player charged in not one, but two rapes and is still allowed to be on the feel and play. >> pregnancy cravings for ice cream, chocolate, pickles -- you don't -- >> i just like ice cream and i'm not pregnant. what is my excuse? >> new research says there is no biological reason for getting cravings. it is just an excuse to indulge? really? >> i don't need an excuse. >> you do?

#oneluckyguy. "outnumbered" at top of the hour. i'm hungry now actually. jon: i'm with you, andrea. ice cream anytime. >> hold the pickles. >> you're definitely not pregnant. jon: looking forward to that report. coming up on "outnumbered." thawing both. thank you both. >> how will we educate people and nurses? nurses are saying across the country they have not been involved and that they are not trained properly. >> three phases. first, think ebola, anyone with travel history and symptoms. second, any type of patient suspected, isolate them, contact us and we will talk you through how to provide care while we get the tests done. if it is confirmed we will be there within hours with the cdc ebola response team. heather: you saw that exchange right here on "happening now." cdc director tom frieden on the agency, on the defense as he leads the agency that has gone under sharp criticism. its initial recommendations to health care workers to protect themselves, well, has been

pretty shoddy. a lot of folks are saying that. that got us to thinking, we should ask someone on the front lines battling the deadly virus on u.s. soil. we have an emergency room nurse practitioner. you folks are the first ones to see this kind of thing. is it now clear to you what the protocals are based on what he is saying? >> absolutely not. these protocols have been consistently changing as we've seen the story rollout. initially the cdc website published guidelines, health care workers need a mask a bonnet, we need to cover our eyes. left the neck exposed. they have gone back, wait, never mind, should wear a hood too, sorry about that. that is not acceptable in this case. instead of taking more of a laid-back approach to avoid alarm, they should have attacked this aggressively and backtracked if necessary. heather: how long might it take to get everybody across the country, every emergency room across the country could potentially face this or may need to be prepared to deal with it, how long could it take to

train them? >> this is long process. this is the concern i have. the cdc have to get guidelines in check. they have to deliver them to hospital administrators and get them to health care providers. heather: talking months? >> you could see administrators, there is gap between knowledge how these things work in practice. for example, at my hospital, there was a meeting among nurses you need to make sure to double glove. one of nurses raised her hand have you tried to double gloves we have? we need to change brand of gloves we ordered. >> you are doing that at your hospital. this is thomas frieden in august. he was in liberia, in what appears to be full hazmat suit. appears to undergo some decontamination process. are are two sets of standards here, one for them and one for u.s. health care workers? >> this is classic case of saying one thing and doing another. this was posting on cdc website, there was full body suit. in liberia they're dealing with dead bodies, precautions are

different. they should have taken this approach immediately in the united states as well. heather: thank you, erin. thank you for what you and so many nurses do. >> thank you. jon: the shaky economy expected to have little impact on holiday shopping this year. the forecast -- what's wrong with trying new things? feel that in your muscles? yeah... i do... try a new way to bank, where no branches equals great rates.

heather: right now we're expected to spend more this holiday season compared to last year. the national retail federation says the average shopper will shell out $804. that is up from $767 in 2013. more consumers than ever will skip the mall and do shopping online. that is pretty convenient. so why not? jon: now this fox extreme weather alert. tropical storm anna, expected to reach hurricane strength within

hours. hawaii's big island prepang for heavy winds and rain. the island of bermuda in the atlantic face what is could be a direct hit from hurricane gonzalo. meteorologist maria molina live from the fox extreme with every center. >> good to see you, jon and hello, everyone. we're looking at trop storm auna they found ana is stronger. it has maximum sustained winds at 307 miles per hour. it is close to hurricane strength. the forecast track keeps it south of hawaiian island. that is good news. we don't want it near the islands. we sustained significant damage because of another tropical storm zell. the concern is heavy rain from the storm system. look at the big island. they're expecting as much as eight to even 12 inches of rainfall. flash flooding could be a concern. we'll keep an eye on that. in the atlantic, we have hurricane gonzalo. it has weakened a category 3

hurricane. with maximum sustained wind at 125 miles per hour. tropical storm conditions are very imminent in bermuda. the hurricane-force winds should start late this afternoon into this evening. look at center of the storm system is forecast seven p.m. friday. just southwest of the island. they will look at self hours of hurricane conditions out there. so we're expecting unfortunately significant impacts to bermuda, and threatening storm surge. very destructive waves. the other big story maybe you heard, that we could look at another polar vortex pattern across parts of the another east. noaa, issued their official winter outlook. look what they're expecting. above normal temperatures across the northeast. they're kind of disagreeing with what other organizations are issuing. we'll see whose forecast is right. hopefully this one with above average. jon: i have to check the farmers almanac too. >> they are going with cold in the northeast. jon: thanks very much,

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jon: we'll be back in one hour with . "outnumbered" starts right now. >> this is a fox news alert. we're awaiting a news conference from texas governor rick perry. he's expected to give an update on his state's efforts to confront the deadly ebola virus. this as we're learning president obama will name a trusted white house adviser, ron klain, as his ebola czar. this is "outnumbered," i'm andrea tantaros, and here with us harris faulkner, kirsten powers and one lucky guy, the honorable judge alexer if area, today our one luckily guy. >> i