negative word in the world. again, thanks for watching us tonight. ms. megyn is next. i'm bill o'reilly. please remember the spin stops here, we're definitely looking out for you. you. breaking tonight concern with ebola cares popping up across the country and concern growing over the risk of a deadly outbreak. the white house is addressing the crisis by putting a political operative in charge of life and death decision making. welcome to a "the kelly file" special, ebola in america hosted by an anchor who's suffering just a cold. what started as a distant health threat in west africa has just in a matter of days become the newest crisis to lead the administration reeling and americans wondering about the people who are supposed to be keeping us safe. it was only a few weeks ago president obama promised when it comes to ebola we have little to

worry about here. >> the chances of an ebola outbreak here in the united states are extremely low. >> but one infected patient did manage to fly to the united states, clearing checks at two airports and finally winding up at a texas hospital where more than 70 health care workers came in contact with him before he died. not to worry, we were told. >> the cdc's familiar with dealing with infectious diseases and viruses like this. we know what has to be done. and we've got the medical infrastructure to do it. >> well, the cdc may have known what had to be done, but the nurses on the front lines say they did not. nurse nina pham was diagnosed within days of mr. duncan's death, and the cdc told us this. >> we're concerned and would unfortunately not be surprised if we did see additional cases in the health care workers who also provided care to the

infected patient. >> not 12 hours later amber vinson was the next confirmed case. what's worse is she may have exposed hundreds more by flying cross country after officials told her it was okay. >> the second health care worker reported no symptoms and no fever. however, because at that point she was in a group of individuals known to have exposure to ebola, she should not have traveled on a commercial airline. >> tonight, we take an exclusive tour of the very airplane this nurse flew on. look at this. and we will learn more about who else may have been exposed and how. and we'll check in on those infected nurses. we'll also answer the question of how nina pham looked so healthy as recently as thursday. and we'll ask an expert just how deadly is this virus. but the biggest recent

development may not be medical, it may be political. after failing to stop this virus from coming, failing to protect the first health care workers, failing to contain the chain of exposure and failing to get behind a travel ban to halt new cases, the obama administration decided it needed someone new in charge. so it tapped this man, ron klain. he's not a doctor, he's a lawyer. he doesn't work at the centers for disease control or the national institute of health or department of health. he doesn't know infectious diseases and is described as "an american lawyer and political operative best known as serving for chief of staff for two democratic vice presidents, al gore and joe biden." here is the white house defending the president's pick. >> what does ron klain know about ebola? >> well, the thing that's -- let's talk about -- let me restate why this person -- why the president believes it was important to add this person to

his team. what we were looking for is not an ebola expert but rather an implementation expert. >> joining me now, chris stirewalt. as you would say, chris, it's complicated. >> well, that will just make you feel real good, wouldn't it? let me restate your question to one i can answer is basically was the response from josh earnest there. and we've heard this decision described as bizarre. we've heard it described as all kinds of things. it's incomprehensible. why would you have this person do this? it's not incomprehensible here. it's not incomprehensible to people who watch this administration, which is this. they don't have an ebola problem, they have a political problem about ebola. therefore it makes sense that you would have a political fixer, which is what ron klain is. he's not famous for being joe biden's chief of staff. that's not exactly the a-number-one job in washington. the thing he's famous for is in 2000 he tried to save the

election for al gore down in florida. and i can promise you this, counselor, if kevin spacey has played you in the movie, you are not the guy who is going to be dr. killdare. you are there to fix a political problem. and that's what ron klain's there to do. >> i mean, is it a little on the nose? we've seen the administration go full political before in response to a crisis. but maybe there'd be a little window dressing? maybe he'd at least have an m.d., maybe did a stint at the cdc or some place. this is so obvious this is a political choice. >> but wait, it's the same in many ways as with what's gone on with the islamist militants in iran and syria. we've got this under control, you people are overreacting, overreacting until the political pressure becomes too great and you say what can we do to shut them up? what can we do to keep the critics quiet? how do we respond to this in a way that is going to be okay? because in this case they believe what they're saying.

what they believe is things didn't work out so great. somebody with ebola did come into the country. and the contagion occurred and people got on cruise ships, for goodness sakes. >> right. >> but they still think it's going to be okay. what they want to do is create contagion control for political damage. >> maybe that is it expertise. here's an unelected official, yet another czar, does this guy get a budget? does this democratic political operative get a budget of our money? >> no what he gets is the power of the president to enforce whatever the party line is. you know pretty soon what's going to start happening is that people are going to come forward, career civil servants, people who are experts are going to come forward and say this was a botch, i can't believe they did it. they're going to start wanting to come on your show, writing books and talking to newspapers. and ron klain is there to enforce loyalty for any administration is important, for this administration it is crazy

important. it is the most important thing especially at a time like this. it's not about what your degree is, it's about how good are you at enforcing loyalty and keeping everybody on message so this does not turn into an utter disaster. >> this is the equivalent of putting rahm emanuel in there to run the show. what powers does he have? this guy obviously he wants to do one thing and that is please democrats in particular one democrat. and spent his life in politics. there's nothing wrong with that, but it is somewhat of an odd choice to be our ebola czar. i mean, i wonder if i had ron klain on the show if i asked him is there any cure for ebola? whether he could answer any of these questions. what causes ebola? is it a virus? i bet he couldn't answer any of this stuff and yet he's going to oversee the response. the question i have for you is what responsibilities is he going to get? now we have the heavy hitter political operator overseeing a very important matter in the country.

>> the responsibility he's going to get is like an adjunct chief of staff in the white house, to call meetings, to apply pressure to make sure people know what the consequences to going off the reservation are going to be. he's there to make sure people say and do the things that they're supposed to say and do and that he'll snitch to the president and tell other people if they're not doing the right things. he's an early warning system for leakers. he's an early warning system for speaker saying there's a problem here. that's what he's there for. he doesn't need to know anything about ebola. he just needs to know about obama. >> well, i feel better. i don't know about you. chris, good to see you. >> you bet. >> almost three-quarters of the country now supports a travel ban against these west africa countries in which ebola is so prevalent. so why is washington so against the idea? that's next. plus, we will also answer the question of how nina pham looks so healthy as recently as thursday. and ask an expert just how deadly is this virus? what's going to happen here?

and then our exclusive tour inside the very frontier airline plane that carried amber vinson after she contracted ebola. wait until you see this. stay tuned. >> she sat in this seat here in the aisle. i'll sit in it. >> you have any qualms sitting in her seat? >> absolutely not. it's perfectly safe.

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travel ban if that is the thing that's going to keep the american people safe. the problem is that in all the discussions i've had thus far with experts in the field, experts in infectious disease is that a travel ban is less effective than the measures that we are currently instituting. >> back now to our "the kelly file" investigation, ebola in america. that was the president on thursday night defending the decision not to impose any kind of travel ban despite growing calls from some doctors, a range of political leaders and now a big majority of the american public. so why the opposition to the idea? joining me now dr. ben carson who's the former director of pediatric neurosurgery at johns hopkins hospital and fox news contributor and kirsten powers who is a columnist for usa today. and we begin with dr. carson. doctor, good to see you tonight. on the travel ban, let me ask you this. so far we have one person who came into the united states from liberia with ebola.

is it an overreaction to say we need to ban all travel from these three affected countries? >> no, it's not an overreaction at all. it's actually common sense and logic. why would you bring something dangerous in here? or let something dangerous come into our country on purpose? why have 22 other countries decided to ban it? why have other african countries put up an isolation wall? are we the only ones who are so wise and everybody else is a fool? i don't think that's the case. >> how is this broken down into a weird partisan dispute? i mean, it's strange to watch how many conservative republicans want the travel ban and many liberal democrats don't. i mean, it just seems sort of weird that this has turned into a partisan issue. why is that, do you think? >> well, there's so many things that we make into partisan issues that are not partisan at all. they're things that affect all of us. but there seems to be this bandwagon effect.

and people see a person as their leader and they jump on that bandwagon without investing any intellectual thought into this at all. and all you'd have to do is ask yourself if one of your loved ones was in proximity to somebody who had come one from of these countries, would you be comfortable? would you be comfortable bringing that person in and putting them within proximity of your loved one? let that be your guide. >> when i interviewed dr. frieden earlier this week, he said the problem is even if you instituted a ban and then had charter flights taking doctors and health workers in and out, it would lower the flow of traffic of well-meaning people who wanted to help the folks in africa. and he thinks that would create an expansion of the disease over there. he thinks even while a limited travel ban would really lead to an expansion of ebola in africa which he says is bad for us.

>> well, one of the things that i've been saying for several weeks now is, you know, let's get rid of the foolish arguments. and let's think about this logically. we have an epicenter in western africa of an incredibly deadly disease. we need to get together international coalition, but we don't want to wait. we need to move our forces in there. and we need to not only contain it but we need to eradicate it there. if we do not and it spreads across that continent and into the middle east and then subsequently into south and central america, it doesn't matter how wonderful the protocols are we have from cdc. doesn't matter how much our experts know. we're going to be inundated with cases. we have to think about the worst case scenario. >> what do you make of the president putting a political operative in position effective ebola czar. >> we certainly have enough czars already. there's nothing in our constitution that allows for the

appointment of czars. and we've got a secretary of health and human services. we've got a head of the nih. head of the cdc. this is absolute political nonsense. >> dr. carson, good to see you. >> you too. thank you. >> kirsten powers also with me. kirsten, the argument in favor of the ban that is arguably the most persuasive is you look at nigeria about to be declared ebola free by world officials after instituting the ban. and they say that's evidence that the ban while controversial works. >> i think there are a lot of other things that nigeria did though. they were so aggressive in terms of containing it. it was probably a lot that we could learn from them. they met with something like 30,000 face-to-face interviews where they figured out any person who could potentially come in contact. they actually met with them to make sure they were not sick. they weren't doing what our cdc did which was, oh, you don't

have a high enough fever, so go ahead and go. they treated it with the seriousness i think it needed to be treated with. i don't know if maybe the ban on flying in is just a piece -- >> that raises an interesting interview because this is what i talked to dr. frieden, i get his concern about the bigger ebola grows in west africa the less safe we are. because more people could potentially come over. now we see the holes in our system here. well meaning people, but there are some serious holes. until we patch those up, why can't we put a temporary ban in place? >> i agree with what the president said. if that will actually help the situation, then that's what we should do. i just don't -- i think when you hear people who are experts in infectious diseases, no, that's actually going to make things worse because people are going to start going into countries in different ways. they won't fly in. they'll find another way to get in. we can't track them. now we know who's coming in. so we can see them. it would completely change the dynamics. i think that's something to consider.

you have to consider that european countries, all the european countries have not banned flights. so you'd have to get them to agree to ban flights because they're coming through europe. >> if you deknow -- denied visas to liberians, passports, that might be a way to go after these individuals. >> you have to do a balancing. you don't want to deal with the infectious disease experts and willing to do a ban to make people feel better. >> people think the infectious disease doctors are bleeding hearts who want to help the west africans, it's a calculated risk and they'll risk some americans to help these thousands of people over there. >> i don't know. i don't think it necessarily has to be a bleeding heart situation. i mean, there is the issue of also getting the aid to them. i know people said they can just charter flights, but i don't know who's paying for these

chartered flights. chartered flights are very expensive. aid workers need to get in and out. all that said i predict there will probably be a will be a ban on flights, don't you think? >> because of politics? >> if you look at president obama's trajectory, he always has a delay between when he always puts a stake in the ground this is what he's doing and then he gets like -- then he starts to say, well, maybe and then he moves to the point of doing it. so i wouldn't be surprised if we ended up with a ban. >> especially if we see another case here and public pressure continues to mount. great to see you. >> same here. >> thank you. we have been investigating how many people may have been exposed to ebola potentially during nurse amber vinson's travels. and it is stunning. that's just ahead. plus, our exclusive tour inside the very plane on which ms. vinson flew. see what they're doing to make sure this plane is safe. and what are your chances of catching ebola on an airplane? we'll talk about it. and video on thursday showed nurse nina pham looking pretty healthy for an ebola patient. up next, an expert in patient

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>> wow. that's video of nina wow. that's video of nina pham, the dallas nurse infected with ebola just moments before she was flown from texas on thursday night to the nih in maryland. she looked well. she was even joking with her doctors. but by friday afternoon the nih said the 26-year-old nurse's condition had been downgraded from good to fair but stable. trace gallagher live in our west coast newsroom with the update. trace. >> even though nina pham is listed in fair condition down from good, the national

institutes of health say she's not deteriorated. they say privacy issues prevent them from explaining the change in her condition, but that she is sitting up, eating, talking even using her ipad. doctors expect her to fully recover, but they also acknowledge that the flight from dallas and the ambulance trip to the hospital took its toll and that she's pretty wiped out. listen. >> she's very fatigued. this is a virus that really wreaks havoc on you. i mean, you can come in, getting better, decrease in diarrhea, decrease in vomiting, but you're still very, very tired. this virus knocks you out. >> doctors say they are also open to the possibility of nina pham getting experimental drugs saying all options are on the table. we know that she has gotten a blood transfusion from former ebola patient dr. kent brantly. and the national institutes of health is getting a much better idea of exactly how nina pham contracted the disease from ebola patient thomas duncan.

but so far they won't offer any specifics. before she left the hospital in dallas, she had some pretty emotional interactions with her colleagues there. it's kind of hard to hear, so watch and read the captions.

>> asked if nina pham was worried about her illness, doctors called her a trouper, and said she was very brave but unrealistic to think somebody with ebola would not be worried. >> trace, thank you. joining me surgeon and professor with johns hopkins public school of health, known as international expert on patient safety and author of the selling book "unaccountable" what hospitals won't tell you. doctor, good to see you tonight. first of all, let's start with this. there is no cure for ebola, right? >> there's no cure. the mortality rate has ranged from 25% to 90% depending on the area and the epidemic. there's been seven ebola outbreaks in the last few decades. and that's the range of mortality that we've seen. >> is she on the lower end of that given that she was in a

hospital that she got to a hospital soon and that she's already received the antibodies potentially from the plasma of a man who survived ebola? >> i think she is on the lower end of that. you know, i'm so glad she's doing better. time is on her side. every day that she progresses is a day of victory and a sign she will have a full recovery. i'm optimistic. >> what -- you know, when they downgraded her from good to fair condition today, is it possible -- you look at her there and you think god forbid she's not going to die. she's not going to die of this disease. she looks like she's okay. she looks like she's beating it. but is this how ebola looks in the beginning before it deteriorates to something really awful? >> you know, megyn, i've been a part of these public statements when you need to say the patient is critical, stable, downgraded, upgraded, these are broad criteria things, there's no strict rules on what constitutes fair, stable, guarded.

i think last night she looked like she was frail and 90 years old and unstable. and today she looks perked up. and today she looks like she's making progress. and i think that's part of illness. you get good moments, bad moments, good parts of the day. >> can we draw any conclusions about how well she seemed to look? >> i think we can. i think we can say that she looks -- things look a lot more favorable in terms of the prognosis and her more perky upbeat interactive state. >> how does ebola kill its patients? >> two ways. in africa it's often dehydration. they get diarrhea. it's actually called ebola hemorrhagic fever and people have internal g.i. bleeding and die from that. and the other way is they can't expand their lungs. they get basically a severe type of pneumonia. >> but both of those could be handled on the spot by the doctors caring for this nurse, right? i mean, do you see those possibilities as realistic in her case?

>> you know, we've got her in a state-of-the-art center. the truth is there's not much we do for people with ebola. we do what we call supportive care, which means we give them hydration so they don't dehydrate. we give them antibiotics so another infection like pneumonia does not move into an already damaged lung. and we just kind of cheer them on. that's what we do. >> then why did thomas duncan die? >> well, he probably had an exacerbation of pneumonia. and even though you do th things, they don't work. they don't work half the time. that's about the mortality rate we've been seeing lately, 50%. >> and he got into the hospital later. last question, we're coming up next on a segment where we had dr. siegel go on the plane that the second nurse flew on when she went up to cleveland and then she came back. and they're going to show us where she sat and so on and so forth. but i want to ask you, is frontier airlines really taking a hit? people don't want to fly on this airline just because one patient who does have ebola but was

generally asymptomatic except for her fever flew on it, they've taken the other plane out of commission, what are your chances of contracting ebola from one of these planes? >> this is probably the cleanest plane in the world right now. it is much lower than the chances of dying from influenza from getting the flu at random on a plane. i mean, they've done everything. they've taken a huge hit. the entire airline industry if you look at that sector on wall street has taken a big hit from really what is a super stretch of a long shot for anybody to get this. >> thank you, doc. >> good to see you, megyn. >> after the break i'll tell you what my own doctor told me about your chances of getting it on an airplane. and you may have a chuckle. the cdc is now saying the newest patient may have been showing symptoms much earlier than originally believed. so what does that mean for the passengers who flew with her on the flight that she was on? or those who rode on the plane in the days after? we'll look at who may have been exposed and what exactly now is happening with the plane.

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damage until morning. meantime, the syrian city of kobani becoming a ghostown as isis fighters force people to flee to safety. the u.n. estimating fewer than 700 people remain in kobani, which once had a population of 60,000. this week, the u.s. stepped up air strikes there. there were 59 missions over the last four days alone. the pentagon claiming hundreds of terrorists were killed. foxne. nurse amber vinson was first showing signs of nurse amber vinson was first showing signs of ebola just days after the death of an infected patient in her hospital. and yet the cdc cleared her to fly home. now, as we learn more about her illness, it is raising new questions about how many people may have been exposed. trace gallagher live in our west coast newsroom with more. trace. >> megyn, because amber vinson might have been showing symptoms much earlier than thought, that greatly changes the strategy of

the cdc, frontier airlines and authorities in ohio. for example, we know she flew frontier airlines from dallas to cleveland on friday october 10th. this is a map of how many other flights the plane she was on flew in the days after she got to cleveland, dozens, carrying several thousand passengers. the plane was never taken out of service. but now the cdc says it's making good progress on contacting all of the passengers who flew with vinson from dallas to cleveland. while amber vinson was in ohio, family and friends say she kept her distance, no hugs or kisses. still, ohio authorities are monitoring 12 people she came in contact with and are taking other precautions. family members who work at kent state university have been told to stay home. an elementary school has been shut down because another family member goes there. and the bridal shop she visited is also closed until authorities give the all-clear. plus, her mom and several friends are under voluntary

quarantine. listen. >> we're going to be very conservative. we're going to be very aggressive. we don't want to miss anything. there's no room for error. we're going to say that even back to friday that is possible. >> the cdc mistakenly allowed her to fly from cleveland back to dallas because her fever hadn't hit the danger zone. but she might have been showing symptoms. the cdc has now talked to every passenger on board that flight, but in the 24 hours after vinson got off the plane, it made six more flights carrying up to 800 people. you might ask what's the risk if she's not on the plane? well, it turns out ebola can live on a dry surface, like a tray table or doorknob for several hours. in body fluids like blood or urine, it can live for several days. which is why frontier airlines is planning to replace the carpets and material on the seats. megyn. >> "the kelly file" got an exclusive look inside the very

plane in which ms. vinson flew on october 13th, just one day before she was officially diagnosed with ebola. and everyone from the ceo to the head of the cleaning crews says no doubt about it this plane is safe to fly. fox news contributor dr. mark siegel has more from newark airport. >> with us is the ceo of frontier airlines to walk us through what the flight was like for her, where she sat and what she experienced. >> nice to meet you. come on aboard. let me show you around. >> amber vinson came on to the plane here. >> yes. >> show me where she sat. >> sure. she would have walked down the aisle. >> nobody observing her having any problem walking to her seat? >> there was nothing unusual noted. she sat in this seat here, in the aisle. i'll sit in it. >> do you have any qualms

sitting in her seat? >> absolutely not. it's perfectly safe. >> was anyone sitting next to her? >> there was no one sitting in the middle seat. >> any complaints of her feeling poorly during the flight? >> no one observed any symptoms or any signs of illness with her or any other passenger on the plane. >> i understand that you heard from the cdc that she was taking tylenol before she got on your first flight on the tenth. tell me about that. >> we were told yesterday that they feel she was more symptomatic than originally believed. by taking tylenol they believe her fever was much greater than it was. with that knowledge they wanted the information from the flight crew on the 10th and the passengers from the 10th. >> what have you done beyond what you usually do to clean this plane? >> this aircraft itself had a number of cleanings. after amber was on the aircraft and after we found out as well. but the normal cleaning that we do, we use anti-microbial and antibacteria cleansers and clean all the hard surfaces.

basically do a deep clean of the aircraft. after we found out that she was on the aircraft and that she had symptoms of ebola, we took the aircraft out of service and cleaned it once again in cleveland. now, again, with all the hysteria that's out there, we then flew the aircraft empty to denver. and we did a fogging of the aircraft with a compound that is consistent with killing bacteria on contact. >> you know for a fact that the cleaning methods you're using kill ebola? >> yes. >> has there been any fear or hysteria among any flight crew? >> there's been some. you know, candidly in the media there's a number of, you know, different stories being reported. and candidly as you know there's a significant amount of fear out there. and as a result there is concern as to how we approach this. and i might add that the cdc felt that the approach that we

were taking was far above and beyond what they recommend. >> what have you learned about the role for the centers of disease control in terms of protecting people in this country from disease? >> i think there's a challenge dealing with any government agency in working through their bureaucracy and various departments. and i think we learned that we had to take it upon ourselves to be proactive in trying to coordinate within the organization itself. and we had to be very aggressive and proactive with them to get information on a timely basis so we could make sure we're delivering on our safety promise. we did our best to reach out to our passengers to communicate the information that we had and connect them with the cdc and state health departments. so we were as proactive as we could be with the information we had at the time. >> do you think frontier airlines has taken an unfair hit here? >> well, we certainly have been

hurt by this experience financially. we really need to be very proactive and at the same time be sympathetic that they may be fearful or stressed out about the situation. but it is safe to fly. and not only frontier passengers but all u.s. domestic passengers should take comfort in the fact that the domestic system appears to be safe and that they are protected with the measures that we've taken in the industry. >> from the plane amber vinson traveled on to the bridal shop she visited, we'll tell you what the store owner is now saying. and shocking new allegations from inside that texas hospital at the center of the ebola scare. a reporter's experience inside the er just days after the first diagnosis is now sparking outrage. that's next. a problem. i need to speak with your fraud resolution department. ugh, we don't have that. what should i tell him? just make that super annoying modem noise...

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questions about the questions about the dallas hospital at the center of the ebola scare. after the first patient thomas duncan die and had two nurses are sick with the virus. our next guest is a reporter who had her own ebola scare and is here with an alarming experience in that same hospital. laura collins is a senior reporter for the daily mail online. laura, good to see you. very big fan of daily mail online. good to have you. >> good to be here. >> you went down to dallas and interviewed some of those who had been in direct contact with thomas duncan while he was ill with ebola.

and a couple days later you started feeling ill and so you did the smart thing which was go to the hospital, the very hospital that is now at the center of this storm. what you found was alarming you say. tell us why. >> what was most alarming really was the fact that there was an absence of complete certainty as far as what people should and shouldn't be doing. i basically showed up, presented myself and explained my situation. the nurse in reception immediately handed me a mask, put a mask on herself and started making phone calls to try to establish what to do next. when i was ushered into an isolation room and essentially sat there while they worked on what to do next, i could hear the nurses outside discussing what they needed to do in terms of the order they should put their protective clothing on, how they should take it off. >> but did they know how? they were discussing it. was there a clarity? >> they were discussing it. exactly that.

this is the same er that thomas duncan had come in and actually been admitted six days earlier. this is at the point where the cdc texas presbyterian were saying categorically we're prepared, we're in a state of readiness and it quite wasn't true. the nurse who looked after me, this is no criticism of her personally apologized she was fumbling because she wasn't used to wearing three layers of protective clothing. she then proceeded to take all those layers off while still in the room with me before leaving it and before it had been established how much of a risk if indeed a risk i was. it just seemed very uncertain. there was no clear instruction. and a lot of the complaints that have been coming out from nurses that they were using tape to seal things, that they felt unclear in what they should be

doing, completely what i witnessed. >> you say as i sat and listened it was patently clear that this had not been rehearsed and there was no checklist there for them to refer to. it struck me then and there they weren't sure. i mean, this is after thomas duncan had become an ebola patient at the hospital. and they did not know how to handle an ebola patient. >> no. essentially that really was my impression. as much as i hate to say it, but i left confident that i was fine, but far from confident that the situation was contained because they just weren't clear about the protocols to the point it seems there weren't really clear protocols. and we've seen that in the previous days with each new development that has shown that every single time somebody has said we're on top of this they're just not. there's something that they've missed.

there's something that has changed. the nurses themselves, i think, are struggling themselves with shifting protocols. and frankly there should not have been a situation where the people who were seem to me doing it for the first time. this wasn't something they had practiced. it's crucial when it comes to containment. >> and no one there to protect the cdc said protocols aren't great. the nurses say, why weren't they shared with us? they put a notice on the bulletin board that said, hey, if you want to be prepared for ebola, you may or may not want to watch this video. once it came to texas, nobody was there from the cdc to educate them, nobody from the hospital and so on. and we all know what happened there. amber vin son is one of those who cared for thomas duncan. after she did, she went from dallas to ohio to plan her wedding. the very latest on her condition, next.

we are learning more about the ebola patient amber vinson, the second nurse from texas to we are learning more about the ebola patient, amber vinson, the second person from texas to contract the disease. miss vinson is being treated at atlanta's emory university. vinson indicated she felt funny during her recent trip to ohio where she spent time at a bridal shop. she is getting married. cnn correspondent john roberts reports from atlanta. >> we don't know specific details about amber's university. she has instructed emory university not to disclose that information, but we know from other sources that she is in stable condition. we also learned more about how she was feeling during her weekend trip to ohio when she was preparing for her wedding going to thatbridal shop. the cdc said she felt tired, had

to rest on several occasions. she was not exhibiting symptoms, but she certainly was feeling off. vinson may have felt ill all the way back to friday when she took that flight up from dallas to cleveland. >> we can't rule out that she wasn't ill, okay, for the time that she was here in ohio. and so we're going to be very conservative. we're going to be very aggressi aggressive. >> because she may have been sick on that flight up on october 10, the cdc is now contacting everyone who was on board that aircraft. they're making good progress. they've contacted more than 50% of the passengers. they also say they have contacted everyone who was on the return flight back from cleveland on monday. in ohio and dallas, officials are actively monitoring 12 people who came in contact with vinson, many of them family members. all of them said to be cooperating, though some family members are leaping to her

defense. her uncle reportedly telling people she did nothing wrong, also insisting she did not contact the cdc directly before she left because, quote, unquote, she didn't have to. centers for disease control said there are clear records of their conversations. meghan? >> john, thank you. we'll be right back. ♪ in life there are things you want to touch and some you just don't. introducing the kohler touchless toilet. ♪ yei could come by your place. my place?

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