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forward. >> today that czar was named. democratic operative ron clain. former chief of staff to gore and biden. oversaw the implementation of the 2009 economic stimulus and more. does this amount to anything more than a political appointment and what does klaina know about ebola? a lot of people are asking those questions and the white house are doing their best to come up with some answers. >> the president's choice to be the person on running the ebola coming underlready scrutiny from republicans on capitol hill who are saying -- >> that's a shocking development there. three weeks before an election are seekingblicans to score political points? stop the presses. >> what does ron klain know about ebola? >> what we were looking for is not an ebola expert, but implementation expert. that's exactly what ron is. >> i don't know.

might be kind of helpful, come in handy. but nevertheless, this is the man they chose, dana. >> it is. ron kla us n by all accounts is a well-liked guy, well-connected staffer. he knows a lot of people in washington, even the chief of staff to two vice presidents a d he also ran the president'sgton stimulus package, which i don't know ifran that was anything i would write home about. i also think the response that josh earnest gave today, i know that would be an instinct that p would have maybe wanted to say a similar thing, but i think today was not the day. >> what would you have said? >> first of all, president bush would have called me up and bees very angry at me if i had said something like that if on a day like today you were trying to calm nerves and show people that you are on top of things and you are putting the best possible person this place and that you do not think of it as politicalt i think that would have been a better way to answer it and made the republicans look even smaller. instead, it was thece opposite. the other thing that this appointment could have done is shown a little gravitas.

you want somebody that has some sort of public health experience. i don't expect anybody to be an expert in ebola, per say.g there might be like ten people in the united states who fitct that role.dy i do accept the recommendation that he isn a good implementer, if that's what they're lookingr for. if they have pinpointed themend concern is being a lack of information flow, whether amongst the government or from h government to health care professionals, perhaps ron isn the best guy for that. butom i do not think it answerd the call for what the president with a trying to do, which waskt to calm fears and say i have put into place somebody who i think is the best person to help get us through that, plus this ron klain is not going to get to talk directly and report directly to president obama. he will have to go through other layers like susan rice and lisa monaco, which originally this is what all the former people that have left the administration that have written books and have complained about getting information to the president so he could make good decisions complained about that exact

process. so i think ron klain, he's theht president's close and we have touches -- choice and we have to trust it's going to be a good one. >> when i hear susan rice's name, that makes me more fearful than when i hear the word ebola. >> let me say, there is an exception. i think first of all, whoever was going to run this had to come out of the white house.his >> why? that's not true. >> i think he need to do have the power of the presidency t behind you when you're making decisions and ron klain is a good implementer. you don't need m a doctor. there are plenty of doctors out there. ron io know him personally. can implementhat a campaign and that's what thisu is. this is a communications campaign. nobody is better at doing itomm than he is and he has obama's ear. >> you think it's a political problem and it's a public health concern. if they could have made a decision to answer that. instead they answered their political problem. >> it's a communications problem. >> no, they have a protocol i

problem. they have a fact problem.he can't blame the communicators for the tact they got things wrong on the ground. >> communication isn't the problem here at all.uni >> bowling, nice magic trick. welcome from the 4:00 o'clock to the 5. >> when this was announced, in literally thought it was a joke. i thought therm kidding. >> a joke? >> because i googled ron klain and it came up that hanging chad issue back with bush. i was literally saying, where i the medical experience? i'm not saying he needs to be an ebola specialist, bob.l but don't you think the guy who is going to run the ebola response, i can infectious virus disease response should have some background in disease and e transmission? >> exactly the opposite. >> hold on. you just h admitted this was a political -- >> i said it was a communications issue! >> how is it a communicationsue. issue? >> you said yesterday -- >> when two nurses contract ebola from a dying man, it's not

a communications problem. it's a virus problem.em, it's a medical problem. thee wrong guy. this is why america is fearful of ebola. f not because they think they'reeb going to die of ebola, of how g the government is handling it. not that they're going to die of it, but how is the government keeping us safe? >> three cases out of 318 million americans so far. >> it makes you wonder who was considered? who was in the pool of candidates? was it charliewon sheen, a pand, lindsayand lohan? did they pull the names out of the hat? did the hat long to freddy krueger? appointing him is like appointing michael moore to fight obesity. he has no medical background and it makes me think the white house is just pranking us, thatt this isn't an administration. it's the world's longest episo, of jack ass and we are the brunt of every joke. because you think that maybe for a moment they would have sat down and go, boy, people are really scared. we need likede a majestic inspirational leader, somebody to instill confidence. it doesn't have to be medical

expert. it could be somebody in the military. it could be somebody that everybody trusts. hey, how about the guy that kevin spacey played in a mini series and you know what's great about this guy? he loves the sweets. he'sinis a -- tweet. >> when they're debating who this guy should be, how about taking advice from republicans, too? who would be not partson? what would be uniting in getting the country back to a calm tone? >> second gone to somebody like a democrat, like a long-termmebo democrat who had been a governor or done some of these things, who had to manage a big crisis and to have those type of relationships and know what the governors are dealing with and the health care professionals. but bob, i want to make one a point 'cause you're right,care yesterday i did say they have a communications problem. but i don't think that's their biggest problem. i said i think theyey should h b somebody there to have better information flow so that the president and the press secretary have all the information that they need. but their overarching problem is one that's much bigger. i think someone like a tad allen

who ran the response to katrina the governments was unable and ill equipped to deal with it. but he came in and established that gravita is. >> this was not -- they didn'ts address crisis management. they addressed crisis pr. so now we have more czars than 18th century russia andth what's great about this is heia. reports to susan rice, which is encouraging, but i guess tommy feeder was out of a job. >> the idea that somehow you're talking about somebody who is so weak here -- >> no, we're not saying that. he's very good as a political operative. kevin spaceycal played a debate coach. but here is the deal, now is the time to shore up and dod something right. let's not pick a political operative. let's pick somebody that -- >> if they were really thinking political what they should have done is picked a rip 'cause it would have -- republican 'cause

it would have -- >> it would have shut us up. >> yes.so >> yes. the knee block would have been like this. >> that would not have been a bad idea. >> a u.s. senator, extensive training inin africa and he has the ability to run hospitals. he ran the hospital hca. >> frist, good point. he would have been a good>> choice. but nobody i can think of in washington, d.c. who has thebu connections that he has with obama who can implement's a president's effort, ron klain is the best person. >> he has your vote.an one out of five. perfect. >> 1 1/2. >> let's talk about something else. i want to talk about the troops. let's talk about ebola, westtalk africa, sending our soldiers over there to handle this problem and talk about also how much training, if any, they are getting. let's listen to frieden talk about this new development.

>> as i understand it from the department of defense, their plans do not include any careit. for patients with ebola or any direct contact with patients with ebola.ct that said, we would always be careful in country because there is the possibility of coming in contact with someone with pos symptoms and being exposed toone their body fluids. >> on whether this is a good idea or not, lieutenant colonel ralph peters. >> it's a terrible idea. the president is whimsy. this is how he believes our military should be used. not fighting terrorists orhis defending america against violente enemies. but for feel good missions, to tear those people away fromrror their jobs, from their families and expose them to incredible risks, i have to say, this is one time which dealing with the national guard, i think the president should ask for volunteers and not order them. >> dana, you don't think it's ai good idea?r >> i actually disagree with colonel peters on this one.

although i did not serve in the military and he did.mi everybody should take mydi thoughts with atabrine -- a grain of salt. i'm sure the military will make sure the necessary preparations and training, that military is a very valuable asset. they take care of one anotherry and i feel confident that trying to stop this outbreak over there is better than trying to deal with it if it comes over here. >> now we're ordering people to go over there instead of letting people volunteer -- sign up for the national guard. >> now they get four hours of training. so i understand the argument ho making, he's takingso i them away from their familiesg, and their children and let's see what happens. west this is a volunteer army. this is the national guard. so they're serving as reserves to be able to go int whenha cal to duty. i'm just questioning the process and seeing if there is a better way to do it. >> in fact, we should all be questioning whether it's smart s to send now it's up to 3900s s

troops. 101st airborne and marineses get a couple hours training and go over there and supposed to build hospitals and morgues ford dead bodies. >> nobody is in the hospitals o, morgues where they are. they're building them. >> well, let's hope that's all it is.uil a couple hours training. nurses with decades of training, two of them now with ebola.urse my point is why are we sending our people there to do that? honestly -- >> what's thehe alternative? >> send them money. >> the countries that havet contained this soer far who hav contained their borders, nigeria, which is remarkable they did that. they have eradicated ebola. you need to stop this thingwh there and it's a much biggerat t issue if we stop it there than trying to pick up one or two people here. it's been going on for three weeks. three, three. >> what happens if did she -- >> what happens if ten of thesef marines come back with ebola?

>> what, what? i don't know.es >> well, i think the troop role must be defined and the role must be what they said it is,t e which is only to build beds and to lead and not have any contact whatsoever with patients which is what we're being told. that they have absolutely no contact with patients, i don't have a problem with it.do we are really good atn building things and if we can help, we should help. but i want to touch on what thel president said about the travel ban which kind of stuck with mes he saida that he had no philosophical objection to the travel ban. that is really great news. but this isn't a freshman college course. someone remind him that this's o isn't a class project where you're making a paper mache volcano. so your philosophical objections mean nothing. not?gume it or >> that's the problem. he's uncomfortable with making that very quick decision about something. >> i'm glad he's sticking philosophically about it. >> i go back to one of the

schools and take a course. >> one point, if we send them money, send the liberians moneye that would be really wasting money because there is nobodybe there left in the country to actually did the things that we can do. >> you mean alive >> a billion dollars, god forbin if we lose any lives on top ofn. it, whatever money we -- >> what do you think it would cost? >> i don't know. >> none of us know. that's theives problem with thee shows. >> it's my opinion. >> i don'tw. think we're driving the anxiety. don't make a sensational statement like that. >> you've made the sensational statement. >> look, let's betion calm. we're all going to die. >> you have it. >> there iss the door. runners, anybody? >> coming up, she put her life on the line to take care of them first ebola patient in the u.s. and then she became an ebola patient herself.

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the first person to contract ebola in the u.s. is nina pham. we got a chance to hear how she's doing from herself. >> we're really prude of you. >> let's not lose sight of the reason she's fighting a deadly virus.

pham and vinson were wearing protective gear when they were caring for thomas duncan. how did they contract the virus in hearse the hospital's director. >> we know that nina was the first person to -- nina's protection -- we have no indication that nina or amber had any break in protocol. we were working with the best information we had. >> let's bring it around, if there's no break in pre-toe come. it either means the protocol is broken or they don't know -- >> i think it was -- the two cases are from health care workers -- this is not infections in a community, it's somebody treating a dying person.

it was something that threw up in front of the pentagon today everybody was freaking out. every time anybody throws up, it's not going to be good. this is going to be bad for binge drinkers. >> some woman threw up in the baha bathroom and they locked her in. >> there are other things you can die from besides ebola. >> if the protocol was followed, how did they contract it? >> this is the problem, i guess, that's what's most, you know, disconcerting is the fact of the matter is they were trying to do everything right, they were trying to follow the protocol and wear the right gloves and follow all the protocol, we don't know at what point she became contaminated and

infected. we don't know if it was after she was taking her gear off and removing it. whi we don't know. i wish we knew so that we could improve the protocol. that's what's worrisome, so we have to go through and try and retrace the steps. >> there were a number of health care workers who dealt with this man. there were two people who got the ebola but the rest did not. i think the dallas administrator has to be very careful or he opens himself up for lawsuits. this hospital was not prepared and that's not obama's fault. >> i actually disagree, bob, because i think the administration, having waited so long, and cdc in particular, getting the protocols in place for these hospitals all across the country, because you don't know where somebody's going to show up. and you don't want to have the

full hazmat suits at every single place. how do you weigh that risk? it's a cost-benefit analysis. three weeks ago at a press conference, dr. frieden made it sound like everybody because trained across america. >> why do you think he thought that, dana? why do you think he sounded so confident and self-assured that everybody was well trained, i think he was very surprised by whopd. >> you're overconfident and you undermine your own. >> the texas health presbyterian hospital has come under fire for the virus spread, but also initially turning away the now deceased thomas eric duncan, here's what the hospital chief had to say about that. >> we were well prepared to take care of a patient walking in holding a sign that says i

ebo ebola, and it was a gentleman who walked in off the street with a set of symptoms. obviously his second visit came with neon sign. we're proud of how we manad that. >> enough, k.g.? >> i don't mind this guy, for some reason, it must be something in his voice. >> we're proud about the way -- what is that? he's dead. >> i like his honesty about the rest of it. that last statement belongs nowhere in that piece, because obviously it was a fail, he was saying we have to learn, we made mistakes, we tried our best, we're going back over all of it to make sure that this doesn't happen again, because even one casualty from this is unacceptable. >> bob, there were reports of medical waste from eric duncan, thomas eric duncan piled up in a room. >> if those -- if those things are true, they didn't follow

protocol obviously. of all the people who came in contact with this guy, by the time -- he had advanced stages of ebola. so far we have two people and they're still alive so far. >> the other thing that maybe we don't have it in that clip is the question of when he first comes in, and he has flu like symptoms, so they sent him home, or did they hide the information because he wanted -- i'm curious about that. >> he did say liberia. >> that's why i think people have a lack of confidence in the government's response and the protocol's in place, because two plus two equals four and they didn't even seem to have that equation. >> i don't blame these hospitals for making mistakes in the

beginning of this kind of experience. you remember back in 2011. the cdc created a website for the zombie apocalypse, it was a website and a graphic novella they did to warn americans of an impending apocalypse, it's their way of saying if you can deal with zombies, you can deal with this. they were so proud that this went viral. it again brings into question priorities. the real winners are kids, they must love the news media because they're closing schools for this when they shouldn't be closing schools, every what if scenario that they do means another school closure and then those kids get to go play in traffic, they're more likely to get hit by a car. halloween has more scares than one. stick around. so ally bank really has no hidden fees on savings accounts?

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and russia's ukraine, featuring the downing of a -- there were riots in nering son, and a sudden and absurd secret service fiasco, and the kicker, ebola, a new maroon 5 record? i assume the wheels have come off the wagon. but the wagon has officially implod imploded. there's one man in a costume who keeps showing up to the party late, unprepared and aloop. it's no wonder that this halloween president obama will be going as the invisible man. >> yes, every year. carl, thank you. >> please meet today. >> k.g. do you think that dressing in a costume that's

somewhat alarming is -- >> i once dressed as a democrat. a pants suit. >> i wouldn't -- i wouldibilin'r that ebola costume. i think it's disrespect follow to people who have died in africa. you think if people are young and stupid, they can get away with things like that. >> just dressing up in general, it has to be 25, and then you're done with halloween. >> it's like an adult dressing as a spongebob. >> i'm not saying dressing up as a victim, but dressing up in a hazmat, maybe might break the tension that you feel every day, by showing up in the hazmat shows a little levity? >> anybody who would do

something like that as an adult, even as a younger person. if my kids went out in a hazmat suit, i would make them put something else on. people have died and it's potentially a very dangerous situation, you go out wearing a hazmat suit? >> isn't it like dressing like a fireman? fires are deadly. >> i'm okay with the hazmat suit. >> i'm okay with the hazmat suit. >> it's halloween right now. i need one every day. >> you get in trouble for wearing a hazmat suit on tv, and i understand that, cnn morning show, and i understand that, the tweet they had to take down. you want to have fun, go do your thing, everybody understands it's halloween. if you want to wear a hazmat suit, wear a hazmat suit. what is your most regretful

costume. >> i remember one time, i think i was snow white. >> yes. >> but the thing is, in colorado -- >> who's against that? >> but seriously, halloween for me is totally ruined because you always had to wear a coat over your costume because it doesn't really matter what you wore. >> if you were going as snow white, i was one of the dwarfs. >> isn't that funny? all right, now we know. okay, ahead, how a child's online postings could possibly get parents in trouble, next ♪ who's going to do it? who's going to make it happen? discover a new energy source. turn ocean waves into power. design cars that capture their emissions. build bridges that fix themselves. get more clean water to everyone. who's going to take the leap? who's going to write the code?

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18. listen up, if your child has a facebook account, can you be held liable for anything and everything they post? some -- a fake profile on facebook. it had the name and picture of a classmate with defamatory comments about the girl. the ruling marked a legal precedent on the issue of legal responsibility over their child's online activity. kimberly, is its legal? actually i know, that's somebody else's line. can parents be held liable for something their kids say on the schoolyard in. >> the answer is yes. because the appeals court reversed the first court that denied this claim. and the reason they used is interesting. they say the parents could be held liable because you can prove that the parents were the

approximate cause of the suffering and the defamation that occurred, because this posting was up for 11 months, it was up for a prolonged period of time, it wasn'tlike it was up there for a couple of weeks and then took it down. we will hold you responsible for postings that your child does, because we're alleging that you were negligent and you failed to supervise your child and their social media content, that's a big deal because there could be significant financial repercussions from it. >> do you think you should be responsible for all of your children's postings? >> i hope parents know what's going on and choose not to do in the to do anything about it in order to be held accountable. they're called children under

18. at around 12 or 13 years old, there are things they're doing on social media that the parents could. dream of them doing. >> did the parents have knowledge and did they fail to act? >> they got a call from the other parents so they knew. >> if another parent calls and says your kid has some nasty stuff about my kid on his facebook take it down, and they don't, they can be held liable. >> can you imagine having to check your child's facebook and anything else. >> this was essentially bullying this child, she did receive a lot of harm. any parent that knows their kids drinks that allows themselves to dpr drive a car, they should be held

personally responsible. >> greg, do you think it's rulings like this that make parents tend to be those helicopter parents that -- >> facebook would be better if it was actually a book of faces. i don't have kids, it's court ordered and i worked very hard to get where i am in life and i'll be damned if i'm going to let it be ruined by some offspring. there is why every time my wife and i talk about kids, i go, no. i deserve -- i'm not going to get sued because of little greg jr.'s mistake. but it's not about the kids, it's about the parents posting embarrassing things. kids are smart about this stuff. what about lonely drunk adults,

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those are the people carrying kimberly's clothes home. have you ever looked at a food label, seen the high calorie count and not buy it? scientists are saying that may not be enough. what they're proposing is to list how much exercise you would need to burn off the calories you take in, a bottle of coke, that's a four-mile run. a cheeseburger, a 4.6-mile hike. is this going to encourage healthier eating? >> i am not for government rules

that would put more impositions on government s and restaurants. as human beings, we can be as informed as we want to be. i don't think making restaurants do it is the right thing. they basically want to have restaurants spoon-feed us like little birds because we can't make decisions on our own. >> i like to be fed like that. >> is it an intrusion on private industry? >> can i agree with dana, i don't want it to be manadated, but what a great idea this is. i would look at it and say, do i really want to have to run two miles or whatever to burn this off in let pepsico figure that out. >> i think it's funny, though, if they put this on, i would love it. i'm amused by this. i'm for sure, not going to do all that running, no way.

>> greg, how about you, you're a workout fanatic, do you think this is a good idea? >> the best way to keep trim is to move to a developing country. i say that our problems are not actual problems. what's significant is that we have done this in magazines for years. exercise data is more effective than calories to deter eating, because exercise is really bad at keeping you trim, that's why when you get this fat about coke, oh, my god, 4 1/2 miles, the reason that blows your mind is that exercise doesn't help you lose weight the way that low calorie diets. you have to decide that there's portion control and high protein diets are the way to go, i have

seen really fit people who are fat because they just eat. >> why do you eat chinese food? >> that's the problem. i am fat. >> in 21 days, people with 30, 40, 50 pounds sometimes, and all they do -- all they do is they sit there, they don't move, they're not getting any exercise, they're just not eating. >> bob, have you ever decided not buy something because you saw how high the calories were? >> if the cheeseburgers, i would have to run to buenos aries to burn off the cheeseburgers i ate last week. i think it would be depressing for people. if they look at this stuff and say, if i buy this thing now, i've got to run -- >> who runs? but that's the point. exercise is inefficient for losing weight. >> you see that, oh, i got to

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>> sorry. sorry. ebola strikes again. it's time for one more thing. eric, stop it. >> all right, michael moore blaming ebola on the gopgop-- >> a second nurse affected with ebola took a flight to cleveland after she registered a fever. we have a report that she contacted the cdc and was told that she could fly. did she in fact call and ask for guidance on boarding a commercial flight? >> she did call the cdc and we discussed reported symptoms as well as other evaluations. >> because you let a nurse board a flight to cleveland and because you seem to be making it

up as you go on, you earned yourself fool of the week. let's just hope next week, you're not fool of the week. >> he didn't have an easy week, that's for sure. >> first, i'm going to ride tonight talking about stuff. and -- >> greg's secrets to happiness. >> almost forgot to do that. yeah, it was me. let's go to greg's secrets to happiness. >> to kellogg, the giants begin the pennant! >> greg's secret to happiness, san francisco giants winning all the time. >> and my happiness. >> yes, love this team. >> love it. >> amazing team. all right, that's it. i was going to say something else. oh, part of my diet advice i left out is resistance training, it builds muscles because muscle

metabol metabolically, muscle burns more than fat. last night i attended the 2014 latino stars event, that's erica rivera, that's geraldo's wife, we had a fantastic time, great food, rice and beans. >> chips. >> what's wrong with you. i did my best. >> i don't know why i asked. >> why is that always during my one more thing. i just called on you. >> the pope francis has decided to do something that absolutely shocks me. the this is a fox news alert. we want to take to you a police briefing in virginia in the disappearance of the missing

student, hannah graham investigation. take a listen. >> situation, some words of encouragement to the search group, the detectives that have worked so hard in this investigation. i want to thank all of those people. today would not have been possible but not for their prayers, encouragement and their help. i also want to say thanks to mark and all of the many people associated with the department of emergency management and the many search and rescue volunteers from not just around the commonwealth of virginia, but around the region. team "rubicon" and others who came to help search for hannah. mark and his team have spent the last five weeks here in charlottesville coordinating and mapping and managing and directing, continuing with search teams in their efforts. mark was out, your help and the support of your team and the many volunteers you brought to our community, we would not have been able to accomplish a

difficult mission. not only are we grateful, but an entire community is grateful for your commitment and work. i'm now going to turn the microphone over to the county police chief, steve selles. >> as we've been reporting, the police in charlottesville, virginia found human remains, we're not quite sure where and they have not positively identified those as those of hannah graham who has been missing now for 35 days. that university of virginia charlottesville sophomore who has been missing. >> they're believing to find those remains in the walnut creek part, which is the location of the scheduled search for the missing student, hannah graham. we haven't confirmed the remains of the bodies that have been found. but peter doocy is live in washington and he has been covering this story as it has developed. what are you hearing from your vantage point? >> reporter: you can tell a lot just now listening to chief