that's it for now. good night and god bless and stay tuned for "justice with judge jeanine." hello and welcome to "justice". i'm judge jeanine pirro. thank you for being with us tonight. they don't know what the hell they are doing. they don't. that or they are lying to you or they are plain incompetent. either way, do you think the cdc has your back on ebola? is this as good as it gets? "justice" told you two weeks ago we need to have a travel ban. now more than 60% of americans agree with me. that's after ebola manu welcome into our country and hospitals and dies and infects two nurses and we get the bill.

the question shouldn't be should we have a travel ban. the question should be, why don't we have a travel ban? a ban would have a political and economic consequences to liberia. i don't know how to break this to you, mr. president. but we americans elected you. you were the president of the united states. not the president of the world. so when american lives are on the line, political and economic consequences to other countries be damned. and don't give me that, we don't want to panic people line. that's not an excuse to lie to us. by the way, other than you, who is panicking? i'm not seeing anybody jumping off a building or a bridge over ebola. we've got almost 4,000 american troops headed to west africa. we're giving them $750 million. and we're working on a vaccine. enough already.

your cdc director, that genius fly by the seat of his pants frieden says the travel ban will just make it harder to stop the epidemic in africa. does that mean we should continue to bring 1,000 people a week from the hot zone but load up the whole region and bring them all here so we can stop the epidemic in africa? do you really think we're that stupid? and my favorite, you're going to let the airport personnel check for ebola? a civilian is going to tell me who has ebola? your doctors let two nurses who have ebola out in the public. you even told one she could fly. but then again, your cdc director doesn't want to check them for ebola because he says you slow travel. you end up costing people money and then who's going to get screened? who's going to train them? and if you have a positive, where are you going to bring

them? where are you going to bring them? you don't know? i have an idea. if they come here with ebola, until you can guarantee that no american health care worker gets the virus, send them back to where they came from until we can get our own protocols in order. why are you doing this to us? not only do you say you have our backs -- >> our fundamental mission is to protect americans. right now we're able to track everyone who comes in. >> we're showing the best of american leadership. we will protect our people. >> this reflects the president's commitment to putting the protection of the american public at the top of the priority list. >> the united states of america will continue to do what we must do to protect our people. we will be vigilant and we will be relentless. >> but then, a typical only never take responsibility

fashion, you blame nurse one who's now fighting for her life for a breach of protocol. what protocol? more than 70% of the nurses in this country say they are not even familiar with a protocol, a protocol that you're constantly changing. a beach of protocol is when you say that the risk is very low. >> first and foremost, i want the american people to know that our experts spirited the cdc and across the government agree the chances of an ebola outbreak here in the united states are extremely low. >> a breach of protocol is when you blame a health care worker. a breach in protocol is when you ignore the advice of doctors working for decades with the ebola virus. a breach in protocol is when you lead us to believe that your protocol already proven inadequate will protect us.

you say almost any american hospital can handle ebola. the texas hospital couldn't. so you tell us, what local hospitals can? and by the way, aren't hospitals independent and autonomous? don't they decide what equipment and protections they will invest in? the cdc does not control local hospitals. and is an exchange of fluids the only way to contract ebola? do you know which mutations this virus will take? and doctors and scientists a heck of a lot smarter than that bozo, tom frieden, that you have running the cdc say differently. so if a virus can last on a dry surface or three months in fluids, what risk is that to us? doctors without borders, samaritan's purse, you let those

free to travel and they are not a risk until they show symptoms. but what if their first symptom shows up when they start project tile vomiting while on an airplane? and now another worker on a cruise ship in mexico that mexico and belize will not even let them dock in their country. you don't know what the hell you're doing. the cdc is not in charge of anything other than a huge budget and now, i should rest assured, that the new ebola czar, an insider, political hack, with no medical or military experience will have my back? is he another former community organizer like you and your cdc director? if he is, god help us. and that's my open. with me now, biosafety expert and president of the improvement

solutions, shawn kaufman, who oversaw infection control with the first two patients at emory hospital and is just today back from working with samaritan's purse in liberia. welcome, shawn. how are you feeling? >> i'm feeling good. thank you, judge. >> all right. you just landed from liberia. should people be worried if they come in contact with you? >> well, that question is -- can be looked at in two ways. if you look at it from a scientific standpoint, i would say my risk to other people is extremely low. but if you look at it from a perception standpoint, there are ould be someone you'd probably want to stay away from. >> well, look, there's no question, you've been working with those who have the ebola virus and your flight originated in liberia and i understand that you went to another airport. what precautions can you tell us you went through from liberia to

the united states? >> well, i think there was some good and some bad news. the good news is that when i did arrive in atlanta hearts field, i was screened by several folks and the screening process took about 45 minutes a he was very thorough. the bad news, however, when we left monrovia and took a six-hour flight to brussels, there was absolutely no screening in brussels. we spent about ten hours in brussels and flew out of brussels airport. there was no screening whatsoever in brussels. so we could very well be coming to the states with a potential fever but i would be very satisfied in atlanta that they would have picked it up had i had any type of fever. >> okay. but if brussels isn't checking, you could have potentially -- had you had the virus, infected a whole airplane? >> well, yes. if i was feeling very sick and being very irresponsible, absolutely. >> sean, you worked for the cdc in the past and you say you knew

the protocols were not going to work and that you actually reached out to the administration. what was their reaction? >> well, i think the first reaction was that they debated and argued and the second was that they kind of absorbed and blew me off. >> they blew you off? they blew you off? >> they didn't really -- i mean, the reality is, there was no follow up and i'm hoping -- i'll be honest with you, judge, i think there's new guidelines coming out tonight and i'm hoping when i get a chance to look at them i'll be much more satisfied than i have been in the past. >> sean, let's talk about the ebola virus. you're with samaritan's purse. you obviously know how to deal with ebola in west africa. why is it that the united states of america -- we're supposed to be the smartest, technologically advanced people in the world. how could we not know what you

know? >> i think really, to be honest with you, judge, there's a difference between vigilantly respectful of the virus and what it can do and vigilantly fearful. i think what we're looking at right now is that folks simply are acting out of fear. there's not really a lot of science behind what's going on. so when we bring up issues like how to take off our personal protective equipment or even how to really fight this outbreak, decisions can't be made so far away from the front line. you have to almost jump into the trenches, see what's really going on and make some good, calculated decisions on how to fight this war. >> there's no question you have to be on the front line to understand what works and what doesn't. what can you say to the health care workers in this country who, two of them now that we know of have the virus? is it safe for them? what did you know that our cdc did not? >> well, you know, i wish i

could have an answer to that but i will say this. for our health care workers here in the united states, be aware. for the next six, seven months, i want you to pay attention to every single fever and if someone says they have traveled to west africa, be vigilant. be vigilant. pay attention and don't let what has happened in the past happen again. >> you're not afraid to work in liberia, are you, sean? >> absolutely not. i am respectful of the virus but i am not afraid. >> why? >> well, because i know the threat. and i know the limitations and i know what i'm in control of. and i have to tell you that for the last 2 1/2 weeks while i've been there, i've been scared because you don't really know -- you can't -- and i can't say 100% that i have not come in contact with someone sick because it has been so -- the humanitarian issues over there are so severe that you just really never know who around you is sick and who is not. and so, again, when it comes to

the united states, we have to squash it right away. we have to be very vigilant and pay serious attention to it. >> sean, one last question, very quickly. travel ban, yes or no, from west africa to the united states? should there be a travel ban? >> i'm leaning -- you know, i was against it. i'm now starting to say if there's unnecessary travel that needs to be taking place, i would probably say, with what i experienced today in brussels, there was no screening. i would lean towards a travel ban. >> all right. sean kaufman, you just landed from liberia, samaritan's purse, you do great work. thanks for being with us and be safe. >> thank you, judge. thank you. coming up, an infectious disease expert separates ebola fact from fiction. and should health care workers and should health care workers be allowed to refuse to

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before we get to my next guest, i have a question for the doctor. one of the things that people are concerned about is the enterovirus. two children have died, one in new jersey and one in rhode island. what are the symptoms? >> it's the sudden onset of new respiratory systems. they may be wheezing or coughing. it's sudden onset. i took my child to the doctor and i said i want a test for d68. they said you can't have one. i said why? the cdc is backed up. they are only doing tests if your child goes into the icu. that means there's no real

surveillance for d68. we don't know if it's increasing or decreasing. i don't know if i should be fearful, keep my child away from other kids. we don't know what he has. so what disturbs me, an age when with the co-pays we may not be able to see the doctor, you would think that the government would get it back in terms of public health but it's not with ebola or d68 because there's no surveillance and even the flu vaccine is late this year. so i'm worried. >> that's scary. doctor, thanks for staying to answer that question. two nurses now have ebola. another health care worker is on a ship and not allowed to dock in foreign countries. now with me is co-president jean roth. good evening, jean. thanks for being with us. what can your organization do to protect nurses if their hospital is not prepared? that is the qu that we have been insisting for

some time now that the hospitals are not prepared. our survey online, that we have responses from 46 states and over 750 hospitals, 2600 respondents have said the same thing. we ask and there really is no plan. the plan is to hand me a piece of paper that says this is a link to the cdc, go look it up yourself. i think everybody knows what happened with the two nurses in dallas. so what we have done is we have sent a letter to the president. we want the president and congress to put a uniform national optimal standard for gear for us to wear, adequate staffing, the buddy system, constant drilling until we feel we are comfortable and in order to do that we have a petition online at nationalnursesunited.org. we're having very good response. over 24,000 responses in over24t

hours. if everyone co-sign that, that would really help. >> if a nurse says, i'm afraid to go to work, does that nurse have the right not to go to work? because one of the things i'm hearing is, we reach out to nurses, they will talk to me off the record but they will not come on because they are afraid they will lose their job. they don't even have enough to cover their mouth. >> that is exactly what has happened so far and we still have disagreements on what is adequate. the cdc is redoing their guidelines. i guess that's a step in the right direction but i don't know how long that will take. and our concern is that it should have been done yesterday. >> of course. >> but can a nurse refuse to go to work? >> i think a nurse would probably, without a union contract, certainly not be wise to refuse to go to work. but certainly she or he should not step in with a patient that might have something like ebola

or anyáhing else infectious without the proper gear and it shouldn't be required of you. the employer's job is to protect you and the employers have not done that well so far. >> all right. jean roth, thank you so much for being with us this evening. dr. arnot, i'm going to go back to you. jean makes it very clear, they are not being trained, they don't have guidelines. aren't hospitals autonomous. don't they decide what they are going to buy or not buy? >> i think it's irresponsible for a hospital administrator or doctor to put these poor nurses at risk. it's just plain wrong. if you think you have a patient with ebola, that patient should be evacuated to a hospital used to dealing with them. again, it's four to six weeks to train someone properly and to put a nurse in this situation is just plain wrong. >> how many hours was eric duncan in the hospital on the second visit? >> 27 hours later and 30 hours

later still didn't have the right protective gear. >> 30 hours later. too bad. doctor, thank you for being with us. countries around the world and even africa has bans. will our president continue

now back to "justice" with judge jeanine. tonight, the heated debate continues over why the only administration still refuses to issue travel restrictions from west africa to the u.s. this, while a new poll shows the majority of americans are in favor of a travel ban. with me now, fox news contributor and former congressman lieutenant allen west. the only administration is still refusing to implement a travel ban. the majority of americans disagree. with just two weeks left until the midterms, do you think the only shuffle might happen? >> well, good evening, judge. first and foremost, it's quite unconceivable that the only administration is really more

concerned about the citizens in west africa than protect the citizens of the united states of america. anytime you're in the military and you have a tactical task to isolate, contain them, secure, cut them off, you know, when you look at a virus, we talk about quarantine. well, then if we should not have any type of travel ban for people coming from west africa, then why have we cordoned off and isolated and quarantined these nurses that we have here in the united states of america? amber vinson was able to get on a plane and travel. the only adminisation needs to go back and understand the number one priority is to protect the american people and if they have some type of restrictive travel ban in place, mr. duncan would not have gotten here to the united states of america. >> i don't want to play the blame game but i have to tell you, in 2008, there apparently was a report that was given to

the incoming only administration that the disease centers around the world to safeguard us from emerging health threats like, you guessed it, ebola, should be established and six years later they weren't and now they are in a mess. what do you say? >> well, you're absolutely right. the part of leadership that is so important is that you're supposed to be proactive and not reactive. if you're sitting down and taking your intelligence briefings and not attending 42.1% of them, maybe you are clued into the hot spots and the places where you need to look at viable courses of action. so events don't dictate themselves to you. you are ahead of events. so it's very important that we come back and understand that we have an administration that is really not sitting down and planning and -- >> colonel, i'm sorry to interrupt you. everything is a, you only deal with it when it's a crisis. why? >> because this is the government that you voted for

and you deserve and you get. >> what do you mean by you? >> well, no, i have to say, as the united states of america, we all want to see a president that is successful. i don't agree with the president's policies but i see it being a detrimental effect to the united states of america. they continue to play politics. bringing in the gentleman ron klain is -- >> let's talk about the new ebola czar, a new layer of government that we can all pay for. what do you think of him? >> well, first of all, why is that when government fails to do their job and just hire someone else and in this case you're hiring a political hat, someone that is going to deliver the talking points of the administration? and why is he reporting back to national security adviser susan rice. and if you go back in and look and see that you have someone that is responsible for this infectious disease within the cdc. and that person we're not hearing from. we're not hearing anything from

jey johnson, the department of homeland security. >> i have ten seconds. do you know that u.s. soldiers sent to west africa are getting just four hours of ebola training? do you know that? did you know that? >> i do know that and that is horrible and the other thing is, judge, you have soldiers deploying from other countries. how do they get back? >> yes. colonel allen west, thank you so much. with me now, conservative columnist ann coulter. travel ban, why? >> yeah. because this is the united states of america. of course people whose salaries we're paying are supposed to be protecting americans, not protecting the rest of the world. the way we help is by developing a cure. we don't -- we didn't discover the cure to aids by having scientists hang out at studio 54

to fight it at the source. no. you distribute the cure. you don't send over the 101st airborne to be changing bedpans which is all they can be doing now. >> it's frightening, isn't it? >> yes, it is. you keep saying, why is he doing this? why are they behaving this way? it doesn't contradict the thesis that only hates america and wants to do everything to hurt him. it certainly does not contradict that conspiracy. >> travel ban, doctor? >> i think it's inevitable. there's a lot of things we could have been doing, like front-end screenings earlier, and we didn't do that and that's partly why we got ourselves into this situation. >> and also the nih is spending money on gender reassignment surgery. the cdc is investigating global warming. we already have an ebola czar. we are paying for an ebola czar millions of dollars. now we've got this political hack ron klain whose main claim

to fame is trying to -- >> we have the samaritan's purse and they don't contract it and one guy comes here and now it's two nurses. are we capable of dealing with this? >> we may be putting our health care workers at risk because of the critical care we deliver. we do so many procedures in an icu setting that we need better protocols. frieden cited dialysis and intubation could expose health care workers but there's a lot of different things we do. just the frequent bedding changes puts our health care workers at risk. >> the cdc said a few minutes ago no guidelines are going to be released tonight. there's a shock. anyway, what authority, doctor, does the cdc have to dictate to a local hospital what they can or cannot do? >> it's really up to the hospital what kind of procedures

they implement. they do have procedures, for example, taking away of medical waste, things like that. they have to oversee that. but as far as the delivery of care, they are not in charge of that. they are just advisory. >> i would also add that anyone in liberia or one of these countries thinks he might possibly have ebola is going to, more than any other immigrant to america, have a very good reason to get here. we just spent half a million dollars on an immigrant who lied to get into liberia and then, you know, apologize. his family is now suing for $500,000 for free care. >> all right. so going forward, let's forget about what's happened. what can we do to protect americans? >> what should the nurses do? >> we need to come up with a therapeutic or vaccine. there's a clinical trial that looks to get started in december with 30,000 patients with two

vaccines that look promising. so we could defeat that with this technology. we need to get in place better systems here. we need to develop centers of excellence and transfer these patients to hospitals capable of handling these cases. >> we don't know what mutation this virus may take, do we? >> some people believe it may have already mutated. the virus has changed what he means by that is people are having symptoms so that they are more contagious earlier. a lot of things could happen to this virus sort of it going airborne that would make it contagious. >> ann, i've been reading that the virus can stay alive even though it's on a calendar, on a doorknob and yet why do they keep saying bodily fluids, you

have to have sex with someone. >> i thought it was very responsible for the president of the united states to go on the air and say he's hugged and kisses nurses that had touched an ebola person. what do you think of of that? >> ron klain was chief of staff when he told people not to fly during the swine flu outbreak. >> he did? >> hopefully he'll give the president better advice than he did the vice president. >> isn't it interesting, ron klain has no medical or military experience. the only thing i could think of was, if you can get susan rice to go on the sunday shows -- >> right. >> and you have someone that can really be confident, it's important to have your back covered. >> that's exactly right. they keep saying we don't need a doctor in this role. we need someone with administrative experience. guess what else he doesn't have? administrative experience but he does have experience doing whatever will help the democrats, as i say, he tried to

exclude military ballots. >> he was a former community organizer. i broke that tonight. did you know that? doctor, last word. you know, for the nurses, for people out there, you know, let's not scare anybody. i mean, there is right now a certain protection that people can be confident it's not wildly spreading. correct? >> it's not spreading right now. the real risk is two or three months dn the road. i think the cdc will refer the patients to a handful of hospitals where they can train the staff and keep them smaller so there is less exposure. >> dr. scott gottlieb and ann coulter, thanks for joining us this evening. isis sets its sights on rome.e.e.e.e.e.p a

as the war against isis continues, the terrorist caliphate's online magazine has called for the followers to target the catholic church, christians, and showed a doctored photo of the isis flag flying on top. are christians at risk of a complete genocide? good evening, jordan. the war against isis is ongoing. what would it take for isis to accomplish their goal of toppling the vatican? do christians need to be on high alert? >> i definitely think so. this latest edition is the

english language online publication to isis supporters in the west, those who speak english, they target the vatican and the catholic church. there's an image on the front of the publication that shows st. peter's square and above it they have photoshopped in the black flag of isis flying over it and it says, "the last crusade." and this is what they consider going on in iraq and syria, the last crusade of the west, the last crusade, the last stand of christianity before it's wiped off the map. i think it's important for christians to remember that the goal of isis is not just the caliphate, not just an islamic state in iraq and syria. their goal goes much beyond that. they want to wipe christianity off the face of the earth and they are going to keep working until -- they say this in the article, the last line says that

the islamic state is going to exist until the isis flag flies over rome. >> we hear the president of the united states, you know, he's going to fight ebola and all that and then we heard them fighting on behalf of hamas and telling israel to back off. have you heard anything like an outrage from our president as it relates to the christians who were being killed and what is going on in the middle east? >> no. no. i wish there was more coming from our government to stand up for christians, not only in the middle east and the different ethnic groups that have been persecuted, being wiped out there but also we have to start thinking about -- and this is another thing that this magazine article really showed me and that was that they are asking those who support isis in the west, those who are on board with this islamic jihad that they start attacking christians

inside the united states, inside these countries that oppose isis and there's actually a call to that. so i think, unfortunately, i'm afraid more acts of violence will be committed against christians inside our own borders and inside the borders of other western countries. >> you know, when i first heard about isis, i called it a reverse crusade. it's very interesting that it sounds like toppling rome, the vatican, that is the citudel of christianity as we know it. thanks for being with us this evening. >> thank you. >> finally, boots on the ground to fight isis. biker boots. you don't want to miss this one. and vote in tonight's instapoll. should health care workers be should health care workers be able to refuse

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. now a story that got a huge response when i shared it on social media. biker. that's right, biker boots on the ground. members of a german and dutch biker gang joined their rifles to fight with the kurds against isis. rick says i think it's great. we should fund their arsenal instead of hamas'. and anthony says this is awesome. isis will be up against real bad asses. i hope the bikers get all the sport they need. and dan says may god protect them and may their strength in numbers glow. thomas says i'm a biker too. let's roll. let's get this party started, lock and load. my take? we don't arrest isis. we don't give them due process and don't indict them.

it's time we deal with savages according to their rules, no budget issues or rules of engagement. in fact no rules at all. this is war. may god be with those bikers as they fight off this evil. last week i talked about how the government does not have our back when it comes to ebola. mary says i work in an e.r. i'm supposed to ask people if they've been out of the country. by the time i ask they have coughed all over me. and barbara is saying that i'm not happy that people are saying the nurse breached protocol. maybe their protocol sucks. maybe they done have a protocol. and if we keep trusting the government to take care of it, "the walking dead" will be a documentary instead of fiction. and aaron says don't let me stop you from fear mongering.

hey, aaron. believe what the government is telling you. it's not coming here. you're not going to get this. we got your back. and maybe nurse one and two don't really have ebola. you feel better now in your fantasy world? and now for the results of tonight's poll. we asked should health care workers be allowed to go to work over what most degree are inadequate ebola protections? debra says yes and the military should refuse to go to africa too. julie says i'm terrified as a nurse. no one has my back. scotty says i work in medicine and love my job but not so much i would die to keep it. kim says everybody relax. potus has appointed an ebola czar with no medical training. all should be well shortly. and richard says without medical care that has would be sentencing the patients to die.

so you'd rather sentence a nurgs to die than an liberia who knowingly handled an ebola patient and lied to get here for the free medical -- huckabee

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