out for you. >> breaking tonight with ebola scares popping up across the country and with concerns growing of a possible outbreak the white house puts a political operative in charge of life and death decision making. welcome to "ebola in america" hosted by an anchor who is suffering from just a cold. what started as a distant health threat in west africa has in a matter of days become the newest crisis to leave the administration realing and americans wondering about the people who are supposed to be keeping us safe. it was only a few weeks ago president obama promised when it comes to ebola we have little to worry about here. >> the chances of an ebola

outbreak here in the united states are extremely low. >> one affected patient did manage to fly to the united states clearing checks at two airports and finally winding up at a texas hospital where more than 70 healthcare workers came in contact with him before he died. not to worry we were told. >> the cdc is familiar with dealing with infectious diseases and environments like this. we know what has to be done we have the medical infrastructure to do it. >> well the cdc may have known what had to be done but the nurses on the front line say they did not. nurse nina pham was diagnosed within days of mr. duncan's death and the cdc told us this. >> we are concerned and would not be surprised if we did see additional cases in the healthcare workers who also provided care to the index patient.

>> nurse amber vincent was the next confirmed case. what's worse she may have been exposed or she may have exposed hundreds more by flying across country after officials told her it was okay. >> the second healthcare worker reported no symptoms and no fever. however, because at that point she was in a group of individuals known to have exposure to ebola she should not have traveled on a ncommercial airline. >> we take an exclusive tour of the very airplane this nurse flew on. we will learn more about who else may have been exposed and how. and we will check in on the infected nurses. we will answer the question of how nina pham looked so healthy as of last thursday. it may not be -- it may be

political failing to protect the first healthcare workers failing to stopnpv the exposure and get behind a travel ban to halt new cases obama administration decided it needed someone new in charge it tapped this man. ron clan. he is not a doctor unless you count juris doctor. he doesn't work for the centers of disease control or national institute of health or department of health. he didn't study health policy. he doesn't know infectious diseases he's a political operative best known to serving as chief of staff to two vice presidents al gore and joe biden. here is the white house defending the president's pick. >> what does ron clan know about ebola? >> the thing, let's talk about let me restate why this person, why the president believes it was important to add this person to his team. what we were looking for is not

an ebola expert but rather an infliment tation ex -- implementation expert. >> as you would say, chris, it's complicated. >> that will just make you feel real good. let me restate your question into one i can answer is basically the response from josh earnest there. we have heard this decision described as bizarre. we have heard it described as all kinds of things. it is incomprehensible why would you have someone do this? it is not incomprehensible here or to people of washington's administration which is this. they don't have an ebola problem they have a political problem about ebola. therefore it makes sense that you would have a political fixer which is ron is. the thing he is famous for is in 2000 he tried to save the election for al gore in floorif.

i can setell you this. if kevin spacey has played you in the movie you are not the guy who is going to be dr. kildare. you are there to fix a political problem. that's what he is there to do. >> isn't it a little on the nose maybe there would be a little window dressing? maybe he would have an md or cdc or something. this is so obvious this is a political choice. >> if you look at this. it's the same in many ways as what's going on with the islamist militants in iraq and syria which was we have this under control you people are over reacting, you are over reacting. until the pol tal pressure becomes too great we say what can we do to suit them up? what can we do to get the critics to be quiet? how do we respond to this in a way that is going to be okay. the in this case they believe what they are saying. what they believe is look things didn't work out so great.

somebody with ebola did come into the country and the con tague gone occurred people got on cruise ships for goodness sake. they have said that but they still think it's going to be okay. what they want to do is create a con tag-- contagon control for disease. >> does this guy get a budget, does this democratic political operative get a budget? >> he gets the power of the government to enforce with the administration. you know what's going to heart p happening people are going to come forward career civil servants, people who are experts are going to come forward and say this is a botch i didn't believe they did it. they are want to go on your show and talk to newspapers and write books. ron klain is there to enforce loyalty for this administration. it is crazy p important. it is the most important thing

especially at a time like this. it is not about what your degree is it's about how good are you at enforcing loyaltyi$ and keeg everybody on message so it doesn't turn into a disaster. >> this is like putting rahm emanuel in there. what powers does he have? he wants to do one thing please democrats in particular one democrat. his life is in politics. nothing wrong with that. it is an odd choice to be our ebola czar. i wonder if i had ron klain on the show is there a cure, what are experiments, is it a virus? i bet he couldn't understand this stuff. yet he is going to oversee the response. the question i have for you what responsibilities is he going to get? how we have the political operator overseeing a very important matter in the country. >> the responses going to get is like an adjunct piechief of sta

to apply pressure to know what going off the reservation is going to be. he is there to make sure people stay and do the things they are supposed to say and do and he will snitch to the president and tell other people if they are not doing the other things. he's an early warning system for leakers and people who are going to buck the party line and say there's a problem here. he doesn't need to know anything about ebola he needs to know about obama. >> i feel better. i don't know but. chris, good to see you. >> you bet. >> almost three quarters of the country now sports a travel ban again bsh bsh supports a travel ban in which ebola is prevalent. why is washington so against the idea. that's next. plus we will answer the question of how nina pham looked so healthy as recently as thursday and ask an expert just how deadly is this virus, what is going to happen here. hour exclusive tour inside the frontier airline plane that

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safe. the problem is in all of the discussions i have had thus far with experts in the field, experts in infectious disease is that a travel ban is less effective than the measures that we are currently instituting. >> another kelly file investigation. ebola in america. that was the president on thursday night defending the decision not to impose any kind of travel ban despite growing calls from some doctors a range of political leaders and what is now a big$gk majority of the american public. why the opposition to the idea? joining me now is dr. ben carson former director of pediatric newer resurgery at john hopkins hospital and columnist for usa today and fox news contributor. we begin with doctor carson. on the travel ban, so far we have one person who came into the united states from liberia with ebola. is it an over reks a to say we need to ban all travel through

these three infected countries? >> no, it's not an over reaction. it is common sense and logic. why would you bring something dangerous in here or let something dangerous come into our country on purpose? why have 22 other countries decided to ban it? why have other african countries put up an isolation wall? are we the only ones who are so wise and everybody else is a fool? is i don't think it's the case. >> how is this broken down into a weird partisan dispute. it is weird many conservative repub cans want the travel ban and democrats don't. it has turned into a partisan issue. why is it do you think? >> there are so many things we make into partisan issues that are not partisan at all. it is things that effect all of us but there seems to be this band wagon effect. people see a person as their

leader and they jump on that band wagon without investing any intellectual thought into thist at all. all you have to do is ask yourself if one of your loved ones was in proximity to somebody who has come from one of these countries, would you be comfortable? would you be comfortable bringing that person in and putting them in proximity with your loved one? let that be your guide. >> when i interviewed doctor fre frieden even if you put the tissues in the pantheism and had charter flights bringing in doctors in and out it would lower the flow of traffic of well meaning people who want to help the folks in africa. he thinks that that would create an expansion of the disease over there. he thinks even -- well a limited travel ban would really lead to an expansion of ebola in africa. >> one of the things that i have been saying for several weeks

now is let's get rid of the foolish argument. we have an epicenter in western africa of an incredibly deadly disease. they don't want to wait. we need to move our forces in there and we need to not only contain it but eradicate it there. if it spreads into the cont nant and into the middle east. it doesn't matter how good the protocols are doesn't know what the experts believe. we are going to be inundated with cases. we have to think of a worse case scenario. >> what do you think of the president putting a political operative in as a ebola czar. >> we have enough czars already. there's nothing in our constitution that allows for the appointment of czars. we have a secretary of health and human services.

we have hid thead of the nih an cdc. this is political nonsense. >> doctor carson, good to see you. >> kirsten powers is also with me. the argument in favor of the ban you look at senegal and nigeria which will be declared ebola free after instituting the ban. they say that's evidence that the ban while controversial works. >> i think there were a lot of other things that nigeria did. they were so aggressive in terms of containing it. there's a lot we could learn from them. they did something like 30,000 face to face interviews where they figured out any person who could potentially come in contact they met with them to make sure they were not sick. they weren't doing what ours were doing. oh you don't have a high enough fever go ahead and go. they treated it with the seriousness itynu needed to be

treated. i don't know maybe the ban on flying in is a piece. > i get his concern about the bigger ebola grows in west africa the less safe we are more people could potentially try to come over. now that we have seen the holes, well meaning people running why why can't we pass those up? >> i agree with what the president said. if that will help the situation that's what we should do. when you hear people who are experts in infectious diseases saying that will make things worse they won't fly in they will find another way to get in. we can't track them. >> now we know who is coming in. is that something to consider? consider european countries all

have not banned flights. you have to get them to agree to bang flights because they are coming through europe there are not direct flights into the united states from liberia. >> you are denied visas to liberians and other countries. >> i think you have to do a balancing and you have to decide, you don't agree with the experts the infectious disease experts and we are willing to just abandon and make them feel better. >> people who do infectious disease doctors they want to help west africans it is a calculated risk and they will risk americans to help the thousands of people over there. >> i don't know. i don't think it necessarily has to be a bleeding heart situation. there's the issue of getting aid to them. i know people have said they can charter lights. i don't know who is playing for these chartered flights. they are very expensive. aid workers get you in and out that is a consideration as well. all that said i predict there

will be a ban on flights. if you look at the trajectory there's a delay between he puts the steak in the ground and this is what he is doing. then he says well maybe then he moves to the point of to doing . i wouldn't be surprised if we have a ban. >> great to see you. >> good being here. >> we have been investigating how many people may have been exposed to ebola potentially during nurse amber vincent's travels. it is stunning. that's ahead. plus our exclusive tour inside the very plane on which miss vincent flew. see what they are doing to make sure this plane is safe and what are your chances of catching ebola on an airplane. video on thursday showed nurse nina phan lom looking pretty go.

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>> (indiscernible) >> the video of nina pham just moments before she was flown on texas to the nih in maryland. she looked well. she was even joking with her doctors. by friday afternoon they said the 26-year-old nurse's condition had been downgraded from good to fair, but stable. trace gallagher live with the p update. >> even though nina pham is listed in fair condition down from good the national institute

of health say she has not deteriorated. privacy issues prevent them from talking about her decision she is eating talking even using her ipad. they expect her to fully recover but they acknowledge the flight from dallas to the ambulance trip to the hospital took its toll and she is pretty wiped out. listen. >> they sshe is very fatigued. you could come in and be getting better have decrease in diarrhea decrease in vomiting but you are still very, very tired. this virus knocks you out. >> doctors say they are also open to the possibility of nina pham getting experimental drugs sa saying all options are open. we know she got a transfusion from dr. kent bradley. the national institute of health is getting a better idea of how nina pham contracted from thomas duncan but won't offer any

specifics. before she left the hospital in dallas she had pretty emotional interactions with her colleagues there. it is kind of hard to hear, so watch and read the captions. th. [ inaudible ] >> we're very proud of you. all right. all right. okay. do you need anything? okay. there's no crying. happy tears. >> yeah. >> well, happy tears otherwise no tears. it's not allowed.

[ inaudible ] >> asked if nina pham was worried about her illness, unrealistic to think somebody with ebola would not be worried. >> trace, thank you. joining me surgeon and professor with johns hopkins public school of health, known as international -- author of best author of "unaccountable: what doctors won'ton tell you and ho transparency will revolutionize healthcare."." >> there is no cure for ebola. >> there's no cure the mortality rate ranged from 29 percent to 90 percent depending on theg o a and epidemic. there have been 7 ebola out breaks in the last decade and that's the range of mortality we have seen. >> is she on the lower p end of that given that she was in the hospital that she got to a

hospital soon and that she is alreadyy received the antibodie potentially from the plasma of f man who survived ebola? >> i think she is on the lowers end of that. i am so glad she is doing better. time is ondo her side.on every day she progresses is a day of victory. a sign that she will have a full recovery. i am optimistic. >> when>> they downgraded her fm good to fair condition today, is it possible, you look at her there and you think god forbid, she is not going to die.ot she is not going to die of this disease. she looks like she is okay. she looks like she is beating it? but is this how it looks in thef beginning before it deteriorates to something really awful? >> i have been a a part of thes public statements, but the patient isn critical, stable, i downgraded. upgraded. things.re broad there's no strict rules on what constitutes fair, stable, guarded, and i think last night she looked like she was frail

and 90 years old and unstable and today she looksar perked up and she looks like she is makins progress. i think that's part of illness.i you get good moments, bad d moments, good parts of the day. >> can we draw any conclusions of how well she seemed to look? >> i think we can. things look a lot more favorable in terms of prognosis in her r more perky up beat interactive state than in the spast. >> how doesbo ebola kill its ? patients? >> two-ways. often its dehydration. they get diarrhea. it is called ebola hemorrhagic fever and people are internal gi bleeding and die from that.th the other way they can expand their lungs. they get a severe type of member kno pneumonia. yaw. >> but both of those could be handled the doctors. do you see those possibilities asti realistic in her case? >> we have got her in this state

of the art center. we do supportive care which means we get them hydration so they don't de highydrate.nt with he give her yant yachtic sos pneumonia don't move into a damaged lung. we cheer them on. >> why did thomas duncan die? >> he probably had exacerbation with member pneumonia. even though you do these things they don't work half of the s time. that's the mortality rate we have seen 50 hpercent. >> he got into the hospital a later. >> we are coming up on a segment where we had dr. seigel go on n the plane which the second nurse flew on.am they are going to show us where she sat and so on and so forth. i want to ask you, frontier airline has taken a hit. t people don't want to fly on the airline o because one patient w does have ebola was generally at asymptomatic flew on it they

take the plane out of he commission. what are your chances of contracting ebola from one of the planes. >> this is probably the cleanesr plane in the world right now.he it is much lower than the chances of dying from influenza from getting flu at random on a plane. they have done everything. the entire airline industry if you look at the sector on wall street hasr taken a big hit fro what is a super stretch of a u long shot for anybody to get to this. good to see you. >> good to>> see you. up next after the break i will tell youou what my own doctor td me about your chances of gettingur it on an airplane and you may have aa chuckle. the cdc is saying the newest patient may have been showing symptoms earlier than organize na organizenally believed. what does thatesan mean for the passengers who flew with her on the flight she was on. or for those who road on the t plane in the days after. who may have been exposed and what exactly is now happening with the plane.>> >> we are here at frontier

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graham. president obama made his first major campaign appearance of the year at a rally for anthony brown. the president saying brown will make a good governor one who wants to improve the state's infrastructure education and job training. he pointed out obama was a law school classmate. i am kelly wright. now back to a kelly file investigation. ebola in america. >> amber vincent was showing signs of ebola days after the death of an infected patient in her hospital. yet the cdc cleared her to fly home. now as we learn more about her illness it was raising new questions about how many people may have been exposed. >> because amber vincent -- it changes the strategy of cdc

frontier airlines in ohio. we know shoe flew from dallas to cleveland on friday october 10th. this is a map of how many other flights, the plane she was on flu in the days after she got to cleveland. dozens carrying several thousand passengers. the plane was never taken out of of service but now the cdc says it is making good progress on contacting all of the passengers who flew with vincent from dallas to cleveland. while amber vincent was in ohio family and friends say she kept her distance no hugs or kisses. still ohio authorities are monitoring 12 people show cae cn contact with and are taking other precautions. family members at kent state university have been told to stay home. an elementary school has been shut down because another family member goes there. the bride tal shop s-- bridal shop is she visited is closed. her friends and family are under voluntary quarantine.

>> we are going to be very conservative and very aggressive. we don't want to miss anything. there's no room for error. we are going to say that even back to friday that it is possible. >> cdc mistakenly allowed her to fly from cleveland back to dallas because her fever hadn't hit the danger zone. but she might have been showing symptoms. the cdc talked to every passenger on board that flight. in the 24-hours after she got off the plane it made six more compliets carryi -- flights carrying up to 800 people. what's the risk if she is not on the plane? ebola can live on a dry surface like a dray table or doorknob for several hours. in body fluids like blood or urine it can live for several days which is why frontier airlines is planning to replace the car gets and nearly on the seats. >> the kelly file got exclusive look inside the plane in which

ms. vincent flew on october 13th. one day before she was officially diagnosed with ee boll law. every one from the ceo to the head of the cleaning crews said no doubt about it this plane is safe to fly. fox news contributor dr. mark seigel has more from newark airport. >> with us is the ceo of frontier airlines to talk us lieu what the flight was like for her where she sat and what she experienced. >> pleased to meet you. con on board. let me show you around. >> amber vincent came on to the plane here. show me where she sat. >> she would have walked down the aisle. >> nobody obamaing her having any problems walking to her seat. >> there was nothing unusual noted. she sat in this seat here in the aisle. >> you have any qualms sitting in her seat? >> absolutely not. >> was there any one sitting next to her? >> there was no one sitting in

the middle seat. >> any complaints of her feeling ill on the plane? >> no signs of illness with her or any passenger on the flight. >> i understand you heard from the cdc she was taking tylenol before she got on fur plight on the plane? >> we were told yesterday they feel she was more symptomatic than originally believed. by taking tylenol they thought her fever was much greater than she was. > what have you done beyond what you would usually do to clean this plane? >> this aircraft itself has a number of cleanings after amber was on the aircraft and after we found out as well. but the normal cleaning we do we use antimicrobial and anti bacteria cleansers. we clean all of the hard surfaces basically do a deep clean of the aircraft.

after we found out that she was on the aircraft and that she had symptoms of ee goal law, we took the air traft out of service and cleaned it once again in cleveland. now, again with all of the hysteria that is out there we flew it empty to denver and did a fogging of the aircraft with a compound that is consistent with killing bacteria on contact. >> you know for a fact that the cleaning methods you are using kill ebola? >> yes. >> has there been any fear or hysteria among flight crew? >> there has been some. candidly in the media there is a inch of different -- number of different stories reported. there is a significant amount of fear out there, and as a result there is concern as to how we approach this. the i might add the cdc felt the

approach we were taking was far above and beyond what they recommended. >> what do you think in terms of disease control in terms of protecting people in this country from disease. >> there's a challenge working with any government agency working through their bureaucracy in various departments. we learned we had to take it upon ourselves to be proactive in trying to coordinate within the organization itself. >> we could make sure it is delivering on our safety problems. the we connect them with the cdc and state health departments. we were as proactive as we could be with the information we have at the time. >> do you think frontier airlines has taken a hit here? >> well, we certainly have been hurt by this experience

financially. we really need to be very proactive and at the same time be sympathetic they may be fearful or stressed out about the situation. it is safe to fly, and not only frontier passengers but domestic passengers should take comfort in the fact that the domestic system continues to be safe and they are protected with the measures we take as an industry. >> from the plane amber vincent traveled on to the bridal shop we visited. we will tell you what the store owner is now saying. shocking new information inside the texas hospital at the center of the ebola care. a report er experienced days after the diagnosis is now sparking outrage. that's next. patented sonic technology with

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which you did the smart thing went to the hospital the very hospital now at the center of this storm. what you found was alarming you say. tell us why? >> what was most alarming really was the fact that there was an absence of complete certainty as far as what people should and shouldn't be doing. i basically showed up presented myself and ex -- explained the situation. she put a mask on me and one on herself. when i was ushered into an isolation room and essentially sat there while they worked out quite what to do next. i could hear the nurses outside discussing what they needed to do in terms of the order they should put their protective clothing on, how they should take it off. >> but did they know how? they were discussing it was there clarity? >> they were discussing it. this is the same er that six

days earlier thomas duncan had come in and actually been admitted. this is at the point where the cdc, texas presbyterian were saying we are prepared we are in a state of readiness and it wasn't true. the nurse who looked after me and this is no criticism of her personally apologized she was fumbling because she wasn't used to wearing three layers of protective clothing. p she then proceeded to take all of those layers off while still in the room with me before leaving it and before it had been established how much of a risk if indeed i was a risk. it just seemed very uncertain. there was no clear instruction. the they used tape to seal things they felt unclear in what they should be doing trying to

(indiscernible) >> you said in the daily mail as i sat and listened it was patently clear this had not been rehearsed and there was no checklist for them to refer to. it struck me then and there they weren't sure. this is after thomas duncan had become an ebola patient in the hospital they didn't know how to handle an ee bowl ma -- ebola patient. >> yes. as much as i hate to say it i left confident i was fine but far from confident the situation was contained. they weren't clear about the protocols. we have seen that in the previous days with each new development that has shown that every single time somebody said we are on top of this they are just not. there's something they have missed there's something that has changed. the nurses themselves are

struggling with shifting protocols and there should not have been a situation where the people who are seeing to me were doing it for the first time. this was not something they had practiced. >> no one there to protect them. thank you so much for telling your story. >> this is one of the things that nurses are so upset about. cdc says the protocols are great. the nurses say why sd weren't they shared with us. if you want to get prepared for ebola you may or may not want to watch the video. some did some didn't. once it came into texas no one flu from the cdc to educate them no one from the hospital and so on. we all know what happens there. nurse amber vincent was one of those who cared for thomas dunc duncan. she went to ohio to plan her wedding. the latest on her condition next.

we are learning more about the >> we are learning more about the ebola patient amber vincent. she is being treated at atlanta emory university hospital. according to a cdc official vincent said she felt funny during her recent trip in ohio where she spent time at a bridal shop. >> we don't know any specific details about her condition. she instructed emory university hospital not to disclose any of that information. we understand from other sources she is in stable condition. we are learning more about how she was feeling during her weekend trip to ohio while preparing for her wedding going to the bridal shop. the cdc said she was feeling funny, tired had to arrest on several occasions. was not exhibiting typical

symptoms sore throat fever acesr or pains but she was feeling off. vincent may have felt ill all of the way back to friday when she took the flight up from dallas to cleveland. >> we can't rule out that she wasn't ill from the time that she was here in ohio. >> cdc is contracting everyone who is on board that plane. they contacted the passengers and everyone who was on the return flight back from cleveland monday. in ohio and dallas officials are monitoring 12 people who came in contact all of them said to be cooperating some family members are leaping to their defense. they did nothing wrong also insisting she did not contact

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