hello and welcome to "justice." i'm judge jeanine per row. thanks for being with us tonight. america's got a new hero and he's a canadian. [ cheers and applause ] >> and guess what? surprise! he's a gun owner.

imagine, a gun owner, an american hero. yes, a gun owner who used his gun to stop yet another terrorist hell-bent on slaughter. normally, a ceremonial sergeant at arms in canada's parliament, kevin vickers used his loaded gun to kill an assassin carrying a rifle. dressed in black. with a scarf covering part of his face. who had just gunned down another canadian soldier simply standing guard at a war memorial whose role was ceremonial so he wasn't allowed to have a loaded gun. it reminded me of the wild west. when the violence was out of control. frontier justice reigned supreme. and when it was every man for himself. think about it. a woman beheaded in oklahoma by a recently converted muslim. angry over co-workers'

complaints that he was trying to convert them to islam. four murdered across the country by recently converted muslims saying it was in retaliation for iraq. and four cops attacked by yet another radicalized muslim convert in new york city who attacked them with a hatchet. this at a time when our government doesn't have the guts to identify terrorism by its rightful name. when unlike the prime minister, who calls the killing of an innocent canadian terrorism, our president cannot call that same gunman a terrorist. no surprise given that a clearly radicalized muslim terrorist at ft. hood, who killed 13 and injured 32 and recently asked to be a citizen of isis, only committed workplace violence. in the oklahoma beheading, workplace violence.

but at least here in new york city, the hatchet attack by recently converted muslim is recognized by police commissioner bill brattin as terrorism. as the call for lone wolves to attack is met, you have to ask yourself if you're doing everything you can to be safe. think about it. four armed police officers attacked by one man in broad daylight. no one saw it coming. and if you think the government can protect you, you're wrong. first there might not be time, or law enforcement's focus might be somewhere else. think about the boston bombing. the city's under marshal law on lockdown, with every law enforcement asset -- federal, state, county, local police -- focused on a terrorist on the loose. you hear someone outside and think, it's a burglar, and call

911. that burglar call would definitely be put on the back burner. yet in boston, that burglar would have been joe tsarnaev. this is the dawn of a new era when are you have to be ready for anything. i don't want to scare anyone because in this game of psychological intimidation they look to horrify us and beat us down with fear. but we can never, ever let them think they have us on the defense. but know this. you simply cannot depend on others to protect you. you're going to need to take whatever action you can to protect yourself and your family. because in this era of lone wolves, in the end you may be the only one there to do it. and that's my open.

with me now, retired u.s. navy lieutenant and founder of the american islamic forum for democracy, zudi jasser. national security editor for the blaze.com, former cia officer buck sexton. all right, zudi. what we've got now is a scenario where there is this new jihadist reality of lone wolves, seemingly responding to a call to attack law enforcement, calls to attack the military. are we anywhere prepared for this? >> we really aren't. i mean, it's so sad, judge. 13 years after 9/11. and it's not about the individual. fasten your seat belts. we need to call upon muslims to unbuckle ours and start to counter the ideology. this is not random acts, it's not nutcases, it's not self-radicalization. they're feeding into an ideology that demonizes americans, especially our police, our military. there was a plot last month in

the uk that was going to attack police, shoot to kill. and until muslims start to not only -- right now the narrative is, oh, just fight the violent extremism. but the hate will continue. the anti-americanism continues. muslims need to actually be pro-american, pro-american nationalism, and anti-jihadism. >> there's no question, you're absolutely right. buck, isn't the burden now on american muslims living in this country, with all the benefits that we have in this country, to now renounce even more strongly, if you assume that they've even renounced it at all, the actions of these radical militants? >> well, yeah, a critical component of counterterrorism efforts here at home is working actually with muslim communities to identify those who have separated themselves from the community in some capacity and radicalized. and it's the best way to actually find people, before they go from the step of radicalization to jihadization, actually going into attack mode where they try to join isis or hit us here at home, is for

those around them who know them coming out and saying, there's an issue here. >> but we're not seeing that, in fact we're seeing that our government and some of our law enforcement agencies are saying, you know, we're not going to profile anybody who might fit that appearance. but we have something i'd like to throw it up on the screen of what happens when someone becomes radicalized. there are certain steps. what do you explain? >> this is taken from research done by my former unit, nypd, taking you from preread callization, the way somebody is before they get involved in radical islam, they start to get deeper into the faith, start to believe more strictly in the text. indoctrinization, they start to get into the jihad phase of things, they start to look at this as a necessary condition of violence around the world, trying to explore that side of jihadization, they're actually going into attack mode. these are various steps along

the way. this is more or less the progression you see of lone wolves, home-grown terrorists in this country, time and again. >> almost like a grooming process. they go through it on their own, many of them self-radicalized. muslims have been trying to convince us that islam is a religion of peace. and i have before me, or in front of me, this trusty reliance of the traveler classic manual of islamic sacred law. as i go to the section on justice it talks about the obligatory character jihad saying, jihad is a communal obligation and it is in another section, 9.3, obligatory for everyone. so how is it that muslims in america who practice islam, who are too silent, are trying to convince us that they are a religion of peace when this is some kind of legal evidence of what the koran is all about?

>> well, because judge, you are putting your finger on the exact problem. unfortunately, because of media, because of political correctness, i mean, even while prime minister harper got it right about terrorism, the canadians have been influenced. their manual on counterterrorism took out the word islamism, took out jihad, because c.a.r.e. and other organizations, islamist front groups, have prevented us as muslims from reforming these ideas. from me as an american saying, you know what? my american nationalism, my pro-american patriotism, is in direct conflict with jihadism. you'll see these imams putting up letters, isis gets the violence wrong, it gets the means wrong. but they won't abandon their dream of a caliphate, of jihad. until we confront the ideology we'll continue to see these so-called random acts of violence. >> buck, how to you respond? >> these are the texts of people who want to engage in violence

of islam point to. the problem is it is there, it's textually based. isis are essentially fundamentalists if you want to go back to literally the seventh century and the way people lived then. they look at the text and try to put that into action. to say that it's, for example, as president obama did, not islamic, the islamic state, or to say this is in no way part of islam, is just on its face ridiculous. we have to actually keep pointing this out because there's a knee-jerk defense from the left in this country, progressives, a lot of democrats, that this is somehow just a version of islam that doesn't actually exist anywhere, it's just in the heads of the crazy people. it actually exists in the text. until we understand that means it can be put into action and there's an ideological basis for this, we will never begin to actually win that ideological war. >> and you know what buck says is so correct. i'm reading a classic manual of islamic sacred law. looking ahead, let's talk about

this. if these calls to american jihad to these loan wolves to hit people in law enforcement, people in the military, are being answered, muslims have even a greater obligation. i'm even having trouble getting an imam on the show. why aren't they talking this. >> that's an issue. because they don't want to deal with the problem. they're in denial. we need a massive intervention. i'll tell you, judge, most of muslims that i know reject that clause. they just don't want any part of it. that's why our families came to america. that's why they reject islamist movements. but the bottom line is, the leadership of our community, that's where the crisis is. it's being run by lobbies, influenced by saudi arabia, by petro dollars, by islamist governments like iran and elsewhere. americans are asleep. muslims should have a jihad against jihad, to counter these ideas. to advance american nationalism,

to defend our police, defend our military against the radicals that we truly should be in the front line defeating. >> as you certainly have done. zudhi jasser and buck sexton, thank you so much for being with us this evening. coming up, after attacks in the west raise new fears do we have to change our spire way of thinking to survive in this new age of terror? vote in tonight's insta poll. what would you do to protect yourself from lone wolf attacks? yourself from lone wolf attacks? facebook or tweet [ kevin ] this is connolly, cameron, zach, and clementine.

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attacks new york city police officers in broad day light, people all over the place, with a hatchet. do we have to change our whole way of thinking to fight this new war? with me now, tom rogen from "the national review." if we as a society want to protect ourselves do we have to start looking at israel as an example of what we need to do? >> great to be with you, judge. i think we do in the sense that the israelis see this as a struggle, zero sum gain, there is only one side that can be victorious. it's a political endeavor that is attached to a military dynamic, the threat that you see from the islamic state or al qaeda or various groups, also on the iranian side. at the same time, israel faces a different situation to the united states. there are things the israelis do i don't think we could probably do here at this point because of public opinion, also because of the difference in threat. but the fundamental point is that we have to have an unequivocal understanding about

the nature of the threat, that it is not criminal, that it is a war on terror that it's global, that the agenda is global, and unless we face that we're going to continue to see these kind of lone wolf-style attacks but also the exploitation of consistent attacks in tradition alter error cells. >> your point is interesting because when you say we have to look at this not as is civil/criminal prosecution, which i agree with you, but this is war. there's a war on terror and they're beheading us and there are these lone wolves. they may be just your normal run of the mill psychopath, sociopath, misfit, who knows. you're saying if we treat it as war what do we do with these people? >> i mean, that goes to questions about guantanamo. i think guantanamo is the right place. we trust the military court system to deal with u.s. military personnel who breach the law. they're not criminals. if you treat them as criminals number one you're not responding

to the threat as it is, number two you're sending this political message that it is criminality, it is something that can be dealt with in the framework of criminal law. it comes out of the basic point, we're talking about this, what about platoon commanders or cia officers detaining these people abroad? you can't expect them to go -- forensic levels of criminal procedure, it's absurd. >> it is absurd. guantanamo is probably better than any place they've ever lived before. when you think about it our president released five of the worst taliban in exchange for bergdahl who they won't tell us whether or not they know he's a deserter. so what does the ordinary american do? what do we do differently if our government is not ready to say, these people are the enemy, and this is not civil? >> well, i think what actually is beginning to happen at the moment that americans obviously -- we've lost 4,500 citizens in iraq. and about 2,500 in afghanistan. wounded. people are aware this is a fight

and they have to get in it. the president has had to take some action against the islamic state he didn't want to take because of that public opinion. it's about pressuring political leadership to face up to the task at hand. and to do that in a comprehensive way. but at the same time, it comes down to that understanding of unfortunately, because of america's place in the world as an anchor for international security as the world's greatest democracy, we are going to be a target. simply saying, maybe if we close guantanamo, people will start loving us. jihadists hate us both for our values and thing wet do. the things we do, they should hate us. it is an existential struggle. we shouldn't be trying to win their favor because we can't. we should be facing them down and persuading the great majority to come to the cause because they're the ones that suffer the most. you look at what isis is doing to sunni muslims in places like fallujah, terrorism in its cruelst form. >> look at what they're doing to christians. >> to women.

>> that shows the nature. but shame on us for not really holding them out to be what we know they are. >> absolutely. >> tom rogen, so good to have you on this evening. coming up, so much for the claims that it would never happen. ebola here in new york. so will we get that travel ban now? ♪ i thought it'd be bigger. ♪ ♪ (dad) there's nothing i can't reach in my subaru. (vo) introducing the all-new subaru outback. love. it's what makes a subaru,a subaru. you want i fix this mess? a mess? i don't think -- what's that? snapshot from progressive.

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another case of ebola now in america's largest city, right here in new york city. a doctor just back from the ebola-stricken region of west africa press positive for the virus. with me now, former fda deputy commissioner, practicing physician dr. scott gottleib. good to have you here. isn't it time to quarantine everybody coming from west africa, including americans? >> i think we certainly should

be moving toward a system of more active surveillance. potentially send in public health workers to monitor people coming from the affected region, checking on them. i think if we move toward a system of quarantine for everyone that's going to be very difficult. frankly with targeting the quarantine i think toward the wrong people because fits are probably the least likely not to report symptoms -- >> but they're the ones getting it and the us ins. if i were a nurse i would be furious. they ought to just stand up and say -- did you hear the nurses at bellevue called in sick? >> that's very unfortunate. it suggests that in the event of a larger outbreak we're going to have a large time getting health care workers. they need to think about what they're going to do to try to incentivize people to provide care. we've had 700 ex-pat doctors who have gone to west africa to provide care, dr. spencer is the first who's gotten sick. physicians, even though they're exposed to the disease, they're taking proper precautions and they're more likely to report symptoms. i'm more worried about people coming over, get sick here, don't present right away to the

health care system. >> doctor, what i don't understand is they say, look, they're self-monitoring or we're monitoring them. all of a sudden this guy is the doctor. he's in the subway, he's bowling. how many of us are on subway in new york city? goes home and the next morning has a fever. how do you go from zero to 90 in no time? isn't there a gradual increase in fever? >> right, there's a concern here because we don't know -- typically we assume you don't get contagious until you have the onset on fever, that's based on the fact that the virus isn't detectable in the blood until people have symptoms. that doesn't mean you're not contagious at all prior to the onset of symptoms and not everyone presents with fever. there's no such thing as zero risk. the risk is very lee until you start to get into the later stages of the disease. that's what we're basing the reassurances on. so i think you're right, there's no such thing as zero risk here.

as long as you have individuals who are going to present quickly to the health care system once they have systems, the risk is low. not zero. most physicians are going to in terms of quarantine they're targeting the wrong people. >> it's interesting. cdc just put out these new guidelines. and they say, you know, ebola, it's not spread airborne, not through food or water, only through body fluids. and then you see up here, a person might also get infected by touching a false or object that has germs on it, which we know can last for hours and hours. and then touch their mouth or nose. i've been telling people that for three weeks and i'm not a doctor. >> right, and the cdc's also -- >> the cdc figured out that it might stay on a surface at dunkin' donuts. >> it could stay on a surface for hours, in one study days. now droplet transmissions. airborne, that means it doesn't survive in dry air suspended for long periods of time.

but there's a thing droplet transmission, someone coughs or sneezes, they could transmit it. typically the disease doesn't localize in the lungs until the later stages of the illness. you don't have a lot of virus in your lungs. you're not expelling a lot. but it's possible. until now the cdc really hasn't been talking about that. this document is the first time they've really been more explicit. >> it sounds like the cdc is into the body count method of decision-making. if you make major mistakes, a few people die, then we'll figure out what the problem is. i was on an airplane today, you're not going to believe this, i'm on an airplane, this guy from this company biofire said he just got fda approval to do assessment, a diagnostic of ebola in about an hour. which i think saves us a lot of anxiety, waiting 12 hours to see who's got ebola and who doesn't. >> right, the problem is that with a lot of these diagnostics, i think with all of them you're probably not going to be able to detect whether someone has ebola until they become symptomatic. the virus itself isn't detectable in the blood

typically until someone's symptomatic. that said our body of knowledge about ebola was based prior to the current epidemic on 1,600 cases. there's a lot we don't know about this disease, including could people have virus in their blood at significant levels before they develop symptoms? typically we think that's not the case but we don't know. >> dr. gottleib, thanks so much. coming up, they lied to us again. remember all those criminal immigrants released last year who were low risk and nonviolent? guess what. they're not. up next, the congressman who grilled the i.c.e. director and n how he feels about b b b b b b

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authorities say he was deported twice to mexico for a drug conviction. identifying himself by a different name that be the one matching the fingerprints revealing a criminal record. a newly-honored teacher may be the reason the death toll wasn't higher in the shooting at a seattle area high school. witnesses say she confronted the 14-year-old was he was trying to reload his gun. committed suicide or accidentally killed himself. i'm robert gray. now back to the judge. the agency released these low-risk, noncriminal detainees under a less-expensive form of monitoring to ensure detention levels stayed with i.c.e.'s overall budget. >> let me ask you this question, on the aggravated felonies that you talked about, i'm looking at

the list here and i'm just running through a couple of them. but no one on that list was charged or convicted with murder, rape or sexual abuse of a minor, were they? >> they were not. >> last year the obama administration told us they were releasing 2,200 illegals from incarceration to save money. and that some had only minor criminal records. well, now we have the records of that release, and lo and behold, some of those released were charged with high-level melanies like kidnapping, sexual assault, drug trafficking, and homicide. this administration has put americans in jeopardy yet again by releasing felons into our neighborhoods. with me now, the lawmaker who was lied to last year, congressman randy fores of virginia. what did you think when you received the evidence that those released from jail were felons and when the i.c.e. director said none of them were, was he

under oath? >> judge, that's just the thing. i think people today no longer believe this government. whether it's the irs, the secretary of state, the white house itself. our allies no longer believe it, our citizens no longer believe it. and that particular situation, this wasn't just a happenstance questioning. chairman goodlatte had made him stand up, take an oath, swear that he'd tell the whole truth. you heard what he said and now the facts disputing. he was just lying to us in that hearing. >> congressman, i was a judge, somebody lied under oath in my courtroom, it's called perjury. but there seems to be nothing done. but i want to talk to you about how the administration kind of fried to get out of it. what they said was that the releases that did -- when they finally admit, when you had the goods, involved individuals with significant criminal histories were by and large dictated by special circumstances outside of our control. what does that mean? somebody was acquitted, somebody

was xn rated, did the president pardon them? use his pen and his phone to commute their sentence? >> judge, first of all, if that was in fact the case, they still lied. they didn't tell us that we released these individuals. and there was some sort of special circumstances. they only made that up after the fact. the second thing is, you know how tough it is to get some of these people anyway, charge them or convict them with crimes. they just unilaterally released them back. aggravated felonies back into our communities all right other thing that we didn't even see on that exchange was the fact that they acknowledged that they were releasing gang members back. didn't even know whether they were releasing them or not. this is just a very, very frightening thing for us when you look at all the problems that the united states is daysing in security today. >> what was funny is they said something like, we didn't even know that they had the records that we had until after we released them, and we started hearing about it from the media.

i mean, if this weren't so deadly serious with criminals being released into our neighborhoods without notice to night, you know -- what are you going to do about it? that i guess is my question. i can't keep going over what they're doing. what can you do about it now? >> well, judge, the other thing, just let me add one more point. they weren't blind-sided with this question. my staff had asked them this question almost a month before. they had plenty of time to prepare for it. and then they came back in and still lied to us about it. the second thing to remember is which one frightens you the most? that they intentionally did it and lied about it? or they didn't have a clue who they were releasing back into the community? either one is very, very dangerous. so i'm going to talk to the chairman of the committee, chairman goodlatte. i hope he'll look into this and perhaps bring charges, at least get some answers as to why this wasn't perjury, just a false misrepresentation to the

congress of the united states. >> the congressman force, i think it's going to get better. they're ordering all kinds of i.d.s, 4 million. i suspect there will be some kind of action after the midterms to make even more of these individuals legal. congressman force, thanks so much for being with us. >> thank you. with me now, bristol county, massachusetts, sheriff thomas hodgson. good to see you, sheriff. do you believe this was about the budget? >> well, i think it may have been, but i think the congressman makes a veg point. look, these kinds of things don't happen without the administration knowing about it. and frankly, this administration, the obama administration, has been marginalizing law enforcement since the beginning in regards to our ability to get the criminally illegal aliens out of our neighborhoods. >> sheriff, this isn't the first time that we've had you on the show. you've had a lot of experience with i.c.e., a lot of experience with illegals coming back, committing even worse crimes.

and then simply being released. what is the relationship between local law enforcement and i.c.e.? i mean, i remember when i was a d.a., we had good working relationship. but can you even have that given that your job is to enforce the law, make an arrest, and bring these people to the d.a.? and isis releasing them and not even telling you. >> judge, you know, something that the public really needs to know, the viewing add needs to know that what's really happening is a lot of these i.c.e. officers are very dedicated. the administrative people for the most part are very dedicated. and they got in this business to do what we do in law enforcement, to keep the bad guys off the street, get the criminal and i will legal aliens out of our neighborhoods. the problem that is they're paralyzed by the fact that the politicians, particularly the administration, if they dare to say or do something different that breaks away from the political agenda of the obama administration, they'll be transferred to someplace they never want to go or they'll be

fired from their jobs. and we've seen it time and time again within i.c.e. where the officers are telling us and the special agents in charge of these various officers are telling us that they have to walk in lockstep with whatever the political agenda is at the time and they have to do the washington speak. so you have to try to figure out what exactly is the issue and how do we get around it? they can't really tell you directly because they'll lose their jobs. >> obviously a frightening consideration. but as you go forward with the illegals who are coming in, some of them from central america, and the congressman just talked about some of the gang members. we've got them coming in. how are you in a position to even identify these people? and does law enforcement, when they think they have someone who is illegal, do you even contact i.c.e.? >> well, we do. i built a facility just to hold

illegal immigrants in bristol county. but we do work with i.c.e., we do notify them. but there is this trust act they're trying to pass across the country, in parts of california they already have, being saying we won't be able to notify i.c.e. i can't believe that anyone in public office would ever not want law enforcement to have as many tools possible to protect the people of our communities. and this is what's going on with this administration. and they wanted to break down now secure communities and rebuild it back up again. and this is -- this is consistent with the obama administration's attempt to try to get more and more people, illegals in here, and the deferred action for childhood arrivals is a perfect example where we've seen these kids coming in in droves and we're not able to manage it. >> all right, sheriff hodgson, thanks so much for being with us this evening. >> thank you, judge. coming up, the to do list of things put off until after midterm elections continues to grow.

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less than two weeks to the midterms and there's a laundry list of issues the obama administration keeps kicking down the road. ebola travel ban, the bergdahl investigation results, the irs, new attorney general, and talk of executive action on

immigration. with me now, democratic strategist and fox news contributor joe triffy, conservative columnist and my friend ann coulter. another case of ebola this time in new york. think will ever get a travel ban? >> congress took its earlier leave ever in modern times before the election without doing a whole lot and the president's -- i don't think the administration's going to do much on any of these issues. >> the president has a pen and a phone. you know that thing. >> look, i think they'll try to get some things done in the lame duck congress. if he can't get that done, they will he will take executive action. he's tell graphed that, everybody knots it. >> he's waiting till after the elections because he doesn't want to fire up the republican base, ann? >> absolutely. and for some reason it seems to be working. as the obamacare waiver seems to be working. i was having dinner with a bunch

of conservatives, they're aware of obamacare. but they have jobs, they're not like me, self-employed. even they don't understand what is coming with obamacare. and incidentally, joe triffy says, nothing's going on in washington. i was watching the scott brown/jeanne shaheen debate and her explanation why she's not had obama campaigning with her is, he's busy. >> i think that's a good debate point. >> are you willing to settle on that one? >> sure. >> all right, let's move on to bergdahl. all right, i was on a plane yesterday. there was this guy from the military, very upset the number of people who were injured or he says who died looking for bergdahl. the obama administration now saying, you know, we completed our investigation and we're not going to release the results of our investigation as to whether or not bergdahl was really a

deserter which is what the pentagon called him in the morning, for which we traded five of the worst taliban terrorists. why? >> well, look. he's in the military justice system. if he deserted, he will be tried in the military court when the pentagon is done reviewing the report. they'll make the decision and, look, this is the military. i was in the air force. this guy deserted, he will be punished under the military code of justice. there's not going to be anything the white house is going to have to say about it. >> but joe, i mean, we're not even talking about that at this point. we're talking about releasing the results of an investigation. a report. >> you're a judge -- >> i am a judge and i'm not talking about -- >> you don't release the report before the guy is tried. >> joe -- >> or if there is going to be a trial. >> ann, go ahead. >> i think it's like everything else. surprise! after the election, suddenly you won't have insurance, and it's going to hit right about the

same time, all the border surge kids bringing in the enterovirus will be paralyzing our killing your kids. >> what about bergdahl? >> i agree with you, why aren't we getting it? what is taking so long? isn't this disturbing to people, that all of these things won't happen until after the election? another thing we aren't going to find out, an investigation we won't get until after the election, the results of the ferguson grand jury. i mean, the american people fooled. certainly the democrats think they are. if they don't pay attention and vote republican maybe they are. >> you know, to be fair. i mean, does joe have a point when he says there are certain privacy issues that have to be respected vis-a-vis bergdahl? >> i don't understand what that has to do with releasing results -- >> i don't either but i'm trying to be fair here. >> how long is this going to go on? i do think that, look, the threat to amnesty, millions of illegal aliens and continue these border surges i think is much more important to the

american people than what happens to bergdahl. i think that is a small issue. it is not half as big as the threat -- >> the executive and -- >> joe, do you want to answer that quick hi? >> well, look. i just think there's a process, it's a military process, a military justice process -- >> it's the same answer. >> well, no, the other thing is look. ann brought up ferguson grand jury. i don't think the white house called in to the grand jury and said, delay your report -- >> it's a democratic governor who did. that's absolutely being done by the democratic governor. >> we don't know. i want to talk about the fact that the government has asked for bids from vendors to manufacture 4 million new i.d. cards to support possible future immigration reform. could it be any more obvious that this administration is going to make at least 4 million illegals legal after the midterms? ann, start with you. >> no, and i really think people ought to be concerned with this. i'm annoyed with the republican consultants who refuse to make immigration an issue. the republicans who are raising

it in their senate elections are not the ones who are the most in trouble. the guy who has the toughest election is the one i was just citing, scott brown running against a snake-like jeanne shaheen. and by bringing up obamacare and immigration, he's nipping at her heels. tom cotton is surely going to win. bringing up immigration in a red state, he's going to win. >> it may not be the president. there actually might bepresiden. there may be a compromise between a newly elected senate majority and the president if that were to happen if they reach a compromise on immigration. the government's got to be -- first of all, they have 54 million cards already in circulation that have to be replaced and 34 million cards over the next ten years. it could be for number of things

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last week i talked about the obama administration's refusal to enact a travel ban. michael says i bet it will have support after the election. michael the support from the american people is overwhelming right now. what is in it for him after the elections to do it. christen says i don't get the logic at all but frieden because in charge of the soda ban in new york city. so there you go and he was a community organizer.

>> look what it did to the stock market last week. and he is worried about their economy. and molly says wow i have to put my immune compromised 11-year-old on a flight for specialized medical care. think about it. anyone who has had chemotherapy in this country has a compromised immune system and could be vulnerable. and how can you blame the president for a virus? no one is blaming the president for a virus. what we're saying is until he can protect americans, us, the nurse, he can't allow people from west africa to come here and spread the virus. and daniel says this i ebola hisser hysteria out of control. daniel, have you heard of exponential increases. stay tuned. and now for the results of the poll. given what appears to be lone wolf attacks in three weeks what

would you do to protect yourself? duke says i have two brothers with me, their names are smith ands ween, me too. legally carrying for 22 years. an armed society is a polite society. and christie says i'm imagining an america where good law-abiding citizens are openly carrying wolves, lone wolves may think twice. john says there is nothing to worry about. no true terrorists these are threats that are all hype in the u.s. the guy with the hatchet in queens who attacks the cops in new york city and the beheading in oklahoma, did we make that up? and pat says the biggest thing i and anyone should worry about is we shouldn't listen to you. nothing worse than a fear mongerer. you can't help yourself, can you, pat? you'll still watch. >> that's it for us tonight.

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man. that's it for this. fair, balanced, and unafraid. here's comes greta. they are the lone wolves of terror. >> in the animal world you have packs of wolves, and you also have individuals that hunt alone. >> radicalized and hell bent on murder. >> terrorism came to my front door and took my son. >> brown jumped out of the car and shot at him ten times. >> in canada there were two he lone wolf attacks in two days. one soldier run over by a jihadist and another shot at the doors of parliament. >> and the debate rages. is it murder? workplace violence or terrorism? >> the idea at the ranch was to s