don't want you to miss a minute of our show. that's it for now this is mike huckabee from new york. good night, god bless. stay tuned for justice with judge jeanine. >> they are the loan wolves of terror. >> in the animal world you have packs of wolves. you also have the individuals that hunt alone. >> they helped them find murder. >> terror came to my front door and took my son. >> shot at him 10 times. >> there were two lone wolf attacks in 10 days one run over by a jihadist another shot at the door. the debate rages is it murder, workplace violence or terrorism? >> the idea at the ranch was to start a mow hawija dean training

camp. >> >> from studio j at fox news headquarters here is greta van susteren stren. >> the lone wolf attacks at the forefront of everyone's mind. attacks at the home land and attacks in canada has everyone on alert. chief intelligence correspondent katherine her rridge took a loo at their dangerous history. >> loan wolves by and large are individuals that are inspired idealogically but may not have a formal connection to a terrorist organization. >> frank is the director of the homeland security policy institute at george washington university. he has researched the very dangerous phenomenon of lone wolf lone wolf terrorists. >> these are the most difficult cases because they don't come on

terrorist surveillance and known terrorist organizations and affiliates. >> it is a different type of terrorism. >> as part of home grown terrorism investigation they interviewed a former cia operations officer and author of the book "leaders jihad." >> it is the lone wolf. >> that's what the hardest nut to crack here. >> absolutely. there is no linkage to information. >> the un bomb he is have instinct. timothy mcveigh was one of the first so-called loan wolves. the dc sniper is clearly a lone case. >> in 2002 they helped terrorize the nation's capital. >> i was working at the white house with counter-terrorism issues it had a significant psychological effect. >> this man john allen muhammad

along with his accomplice lee boyd malvo shot a 1990 by police and killed 10. >> mohammed and malvo were able to crawl into the drunk and shoot without ever leaving the vehicle. >> clearly they were motivated>> he was motivated his hatred for america. >> after the two were captured in 2002 he testified his plan was to kill 6 a day for a month. as for malvo himself he drew the extremist stretches while on trial. >> there is a very positive side to the internet. it also connects to very dark corners of the west. >> there are on mouse clouds gathering in your horizon.

>> anwaral maliki recruits people. >> one follower was this woman, a 21-year-old british student from east london. in the u.k. loan wolves have sometimes referred to as terrorists or jihadis. she downloaded more than 100 hours offal awe awlaki sermon. these security cameras images show him just before the attack then taking out the knife before being tackleed by a body guard. he was wounded but survived. >> this was a young woman who was inspired idealogically on the internet and acted on her. >> she wasn't the only individual and acted as a lone

wo wolf. >> obviously at the top of the list nidal hasan. >> he was a loner looking for religious guidance. he was inspired al awlaki. he spent the cleric 18 e-mails. people like awlaki it sol lied fied people's rights. >> you are not building a criminal you are not the murderer. >> hasan bought a semiautomatic pistol and a large amount of ammunition. on november 15th, 2009, he opened fire on fort hood killing 13 and wounding 30 others. >> nidal hasan was clearly motivated. >> now locked up hasan awaits his death sentence. >> is it workplace violence? of course but it is more than

that. >> he wanted to blow up the new york subway. the tsarnaev brothers who caused master or at the boston marathon bombing in 2013. >> whether or not they are genuine loan wolves or whether or not they did receive some guidance and training in chechnya is unknown at this point. >> most recently all the ton n -- alton who changed his name. >> they are playing a psychological war. you have to call them for what they are, rats. >> joining us is former u.s. attorney general and federal judge and chief intelligence correspondent katherine herridge and director of homeland security policy welcome. seems like they are not giving specific directions there's a

call for people do this it is more of a sort of ideology that is out there. there is a specific direction. >> what we see over the last five years is this has become a movement instead of ideas it is not something you can drone out of existence. you have to really deal with the ideology first. when people are inspired to act these self starters it is sort of a lone wolf. i agree with the judge very few of these people can do this without some sort of support network. where there is a support network with physical help like explosives or weapons or whether tsz ideological support to give them the confidence to go forward with the mission. >> there's a difference between the underwear bomber who got training obviously it didn't work out two well on the airplane he had specific

direction. i don't see no mosque or no certain group or radicals saying here's your best, your suicide vest or here's your guns. it is different. >> it is early on in terms of the investigation itself. the terror threat comes in different shapes sizes and forms. given thousands of westerners fighting along isis those that get actual training in expertise whether it is in improvised explosive devices or the like will be a greater threat from potential from catastrophic attacks. the reality is there are many that don't go overseas that don't hit any trip wires or don't go in training. if you look at what happened in canada not only the shooting yesterday but also people moeing them over you saw an incident in jerusalem where they inspired

individual moed over people killing a young american baby. >> here's the common thread you sea. >> and the canadian military. the reason that is important is these are symbols that have weight. it is not just an attack on an individual. when that shooter walked up to parliament hill in ottawa they went for the soldier and one of the most symbolic sites in that country. that is an attack on the canadian identity and pride. this is the same in the united states. >> we have seen that here with the shooting of an army recruiter by jihadi. it was focused on the armed forces and focusing on telling people you can't be protected by the people who are supposed to protect you. >> coming up four murders on two

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>> just like the lone wolf in canadaal li hali mohammed brown one of them. >> in the early morning hours of june 26, 2013, the body of a 19-year-old livingston new jersey resident was found shot to death in the family's jeep. the suffer had been abandoned here at the apartment complex in west orange, new jersey. home for the summer after his freshman year at the university of richmond in virginia the popular student and lacrosse player had been shot eight times. >> when his body was found it

was in the floor of the passenger seat. >> the nominee mark deamo is a veteran reporter from new jersey star legend newspaper. >> the crime that happened here is shocking in its location to too many people. >> i never thought not in this area that something so horrific could have happened. >> it was on the athletic field with brendan had attended high school that i met i up with his grieving parents michael and alice. he spent the evening at friend's house and texted his mother he was on his way home. >> what time did you get the text? >> 11:36. >> hofour hours later the polic knocked on his door. >> i could see had been his face. i grabbed him and said, no. no. not brendan.

he said, yeah. brendan. he was murdered. >> but why would any one want to kill brendan? >> he was a bright young man, a friendly young man. he enjoyed school and athletics and sports. he was such a goods young fella. >> the murder had the police baffled. >> they didn't know what happened. it was in a very nice neighborhood. it was the viciousness of it. no one could figure it out. >> what no one knew is he took refuge in the area surrounding multi million dollar homes. >> you are on the mountains from west orange you have incredible views of manhattan. >> living in two makeshift camps in the nearby apartments was 29-year-oldally mohammed brown. brown is a convicted sex

offender with direct ties to radical islamists in the pacific northwest. >> if you hide among the rifts the police will never find you. >> no one knows how but on june 29th he somehow made his way to point pleasant beach 50 miles west of west orange. >> he pulled the guy out of the car at gun point realized he couldn't drive a stick shift. when he left the scene he left incriminating evidence there went to a stop and shop and used a bathroom there and left the bag behind with incriminating evidence. >> he left a security camera where he left behind the bay with a 9 millimeter magazine and fingerprints. when he later returned to west

orange and robbed a man at the apartments police combed the area looking for the assailant. >> that's when police began to search the bridge and apprehended them then. >> they finger printed them and his hand gun would tie him to a series of crimes it was then he made a confession. he waited at the traffic light. he said he murdered him in the name of jihad. >> brown jumped out of the car went to the passenger side and simply opened fire on him. shot at him 10 times and hit him 8 times. >> he dumped him with his lifeless body in the apartment complex. >> about a mile and a quarter from the i want section where brendan was shot. he parked around here in one of these spaces.

>> he described himself as a devout muslim and said it was just kill as pay back on the military involvement in the middle east. >> he made a statement he was doing this for revenge of what's going on in iraq and syria and afghanistan. >> in our opinion he is a murderer and whether down the road they come to the conclusion he is involved in something bigger i think the truth will come out. >> they arrested them for the murder. all three pled not guilty and are being held at the county jail in newark. brown's bail was set at $5 million. the other two are being held on 1 million each. >> it is a complicated case and

they are still working to find the whole truth. >> we are back with our panel. the big challenge is to get them before they commit the crimes. it was a college student. wasn't like he was in the military and might be a possible target. it w totally random. >> only way to do that is gather as much intelligence about the imams and others who are spreading the message and try to figure out who is tuning into those and focus on those people. that is the only way to stop it. >> are they aggressively doing this? are they breaking a lot of these stories before they get into random shooting on the street? >> when you hear private investigators two things one strung by the rules the

understanding, they are pulling back? not only recently but the last five, eight years pulling back and doing surveillance at the site. the fbi doesn't want to engage in that. they want to engage with the community. >> everyone who says weird doe things that happen to come from a mosque it is politically correct to round them up with more. >> i think both judge mccaffey and katherine made a point. at the end it was an ideology. it is not the economy stupid but xqkñ8ç ideology stupid. at the end of the day it is about under governed spaces. why somalia where alter wrists prop up they are under government spaces. same with the internet. >> a closer look at ali mohammed

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execution style murders that were committed on the other side of the country in seattle, washington. on the night of april 27 30-year-old leroy henderson walked in the skyway section of seattle when he was murdered in the hail of ten bullets. p one month earlier two men were murdered in the neighborhood of lashi. >> he came to the front door and took my son. >> drawn anderson young's mother and grandmother shelly shared memories of the young man. >> he was the son that everybody wanted to have. he was always wanting to learn. he had a good work ethic. >> when he was 11 hen$1j÷ came , he said grandma i want to work rather than asking for money p. what can i do to earn money? i will mow the grass, i will wash dishes. >> he didn't wait for opportunities to come to him. he created his own opportunities. >> as he grew in his own as he

approached his teenaged years he was struggling with his sexuality. he came out at 14 and he told me that he was gay. that was a rough time for him. >> after graduating from high school in 2009 he earned a bachelor's degree in communications from the university of washington. dwan had just landed a job at a consulting firm and was growing ñbu. >> he w-- divine business. >> for his life to be cut so shorts is so sad. moll -- somali offered him a ride. he offered a ride to ner man. that man was ali mohammed brown.

>> several and dejuan and ahmed's friends said he didn't fit in with the crowd. dejuan, ahmed and the third gentlemen got in the car and that is the last that i saw of them alive. >> these documents state ali mohammed brown pulled out his 9 millimeter hand gun and executed dwone and ahmed inside his vehicle. >> he is a terrorist. for whatever reason he was going to kill him that night. i don't know if it was because he had a muslim name, he was gay, i don't know. ful dwone was a bonus kill. >> in his 29 years ali mohammed brown left a trail of depraved crime and violence. court documents obtained by fox news showed mr. brown was

charged with child rape before bleeding guilty of communications with oo minor for immoral purposes. two mothers of his children filed for domestic violence allegations with strangulation and punching. one said he dropped my 10-day old daughter on the ground in a fit of rage. >> he went to seattle to go deeper into hbrown's pass. david gomez and david rubicamp are part of the terrorism task force. >> in 2004 we were looking at the fundraising for overseas, material supporters of terrorism. >> at the center of this investigation was the 25 barber shop. he teamed up with owner, a notorious drug dealer. >> he was a prison convert to

islam. he learned to cut air from prison while he was attempting to indoctrinate many of the youth in the area by showing them videos about the 9-11 hijackers about al qaeda. >> i had a piece of that investigation that involved an imam at the mosque. they would attend the mosque. the imam surveilled him. >> he was a particularly vocal opponent of jihad. >> he had reports. his father who took a son up there to get a haircut. he dragged him out saying no this is supposed to be about a haircut not jihad. >> after a 2 and a half year

investigation the barbershop was rated. >> members of the task force executed 19 search and rescue warrants included among those on the financial institution fraud. >> at the time of the raid he was already in jail for assaulting the owners of the restaurant. no one including brown was convicted of terrorism. >> they were convicted of fraudulently convicted of terrorism with account drawing checks and spending the money basically. >> as we re-read the 2004 indictment the brother claimed the money was to help our muslim brothers and sisters for the cause because you can't go to war broke. he was sentenced for two years. >> he was unable at that time to

prove any of the money had been sent overseas in support -- in material support of terrorism. >> he plead guilty to counterfeiting charges. in 2006 he wrote this 12 page letter asking for leniency. he claims he was a changed man and complained about fox news. >> he said he wasn't in fact a bad guy beau he was a bad by. reub reuben shumpert travelled to somalia where he wanted to fight for al shab bad. someone looked at the file and said oh, we forgot to get his passport. >> shumpert went to fight with terrorists in somalia. brown may have attended this terror training camp built for

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dominican republic. he was just 22 years old. they investigatate the loan wols of terror. >> the cohort of accused killer mohammed brown led his barbershop in seattle and ended up on a battlefield in somalia. >> in november 2006 the seattle fbi receive add phone call from war torn somalia. shumpart. former joint terrorism task force seem remembers that call. >> it was a taunting type of phone callxrlj your efforts faii win you lose i am gone. you can't find me. >> you may have indicted the rest of me but i am in somalia fighting the good fight with shoban reigning down terror on you and your family. >> two years later reuben

shumpert was dead. >> he died in the missile attack. it was directed by the united states forces on a villa where he was living. >> one of the confirmations of reuben's debt came in their publications. the wonderful former fighter of america. >> he was out on the streets getting arrested again and again. he served 82 days of the bank in the roundup. we found more david ruben camry main certain from sheikh ibrahim. >> this guy is extremist religious zell lot of the worst kind. he was educated as islamic religious scholar. he had been and still was a member of the oganeni national

liberation front and precursor to al shis shabob we call them cousins of al qaeda. >> they have moved from the original location which is now an empty lot. at the time it was only 500 feet from the barbershop. >> he was over here to raise money through the system of moneypyq transfer to fund them overseas and to recruit people to their cause. actually go back to somalia, take up arms. >> he was finally arrested in seattle in late 2005 after returning from a trip to texas. >> as soon as we saw who he was meeting with in texas. >> sheikh i be hebrahim was dep to his home country. >> i think people think terrorism cases are just a field goal in a ten yard line. they are really not. pest thing is to get them off

our soul get him out of here and never come back. iu of the liberation front. here he is signing a peace treaty with the ethiopian prime minister. >> i wouldn't sign a peace treaty with the guy. he remains i am 100 percent certain a national security threat to the united states of america or in any country in which he resides. >> that's not all we found. back in 1999 a then 15-year-oldally mohamm 15-year-oldally -- ali mohammed brown tried to attend one of the early training camps on american soil in oregon. >> it was the original inspiration the converts started investigating in 1998 and 19d 99 with the case. >> it was a ranch a dream of a seattle entrepreneur and al maz

ry. he was convicted in may 2014 on 11 terrorism counts including some related to this camp. he awaits sentencing in new york city. >> it is against islam and they are led by the jews. >> his inspiration came not from video of al mazari he went to a mosque and was tutored by him 'n in the ways of vie p lent jihad. some of the converts came and worked with shumtert in the case they tried to set up that ranch. >> i believe ali muhammad brown at some point traveled to oregon prior to his arrest or the financial institution fraud. >> they went down there and shot some weapons at the ranch, but again like a lot of things james did there wasn't this big follow through plan.

okay we have got the ranch now what? >> at some point in the establishment of the ranch, some ca someone came out and taook a lok at the facilities and found that he had done a poor job. >> he is now serving a life sentence for his role in the oregon plot. >> over time i think james came to the realization that maybe this wasn't a good thing to pursue and came to assist the government in their prosecution of other individuals in new york. >> brown sits in a jail sell in new jersey as authorities pour over his past life. is he a lone wolf terrorist or a serial killer using islam as an excuse? >> coming up should ali muhammad brown be charged with terrorism in addition to the murders? our panel is back next.

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he has those? >> not a whole lot. >> the possibility if they could tie it all back together and he might conceive we have the death penalty in federal court. the effort given what has gone on likely wouldn't be worth it. he wouldn't gain very much. >> seems like the american people really want terrorism charges even though he is facing the four murder counts. the terrorism said the judwould give us much. people want federal terrorism charge in a lot of these cases. >> it walks like a duck looks like a buck quacks likes a duck. on top of whatever else it may be you have a motive that seems to be idealogically driven. there is a deterrent effect if we don't treat it as a terrorism case are we giving free passes to future cases. i am not suggesting -- >> we have unlimited resources to be with you on that but the

problem is a lot of these prosecutors they are so taxed, i am not sure we have the luxury of going after them in so many different directions. >> i don't disagree with that. it's the deterrent effect. >> that threat is covered by your excellent coverage. >> that leads back to the training camp on the west sows. that threat is militant islamism. >> what i see that threat i see how many ant we finding? >> if you look at the data set in this very neutral way, you do not pull out the religious thread, you have this rich bed of information and several investigative threads that take you from new jersey to the major terrorist figure.

not only in the u.k. but in somalia. you have this veer near this er may be a religious component what you are left is a bare bones of the sax and very few investigative leads. that leads to under cutting our national security. >> can i pick up on that point. most people aren't aware since 9-11 there has been over 80 jihadist terrorism notes in tpl in the united states. >> those are the ones we caught? >> the attacks and those we prevented. these are plots that comes from the congressional research service who did the analysis for congress. they are a p handful of things. >> this svent a small number set of issues it is a significant threat in the nation. >> what happened in canada this past week the attacks are being in north america at least. >> the trouble is, the people who are leading these agencies

are down-playing the significance of each of these. down-playing the connection between them and militant islam. >> why would they do that? >> because osama bin laden is dead and he is alive. >> this emphasis on the lone wolf what we have seen in our reporting is there's an emphasis to do that. that takes the individual and makes them kind of an isolated crazy. it is hard to say it's an individual acting=6wñ on their initiative. what the reporting shows is what happened in new jersey is linked to a broader network. part of that broader network is radical islam. >> coming up multiple terror attacks in canada. is there any way to stop loan wolv wolves. we will be right back.

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we're back with our panel. >> a lot of fuss over what is called the beheading. it was an act of terrorism. they called it workplace violence. >> the tigriggering event was something that happens in the workplace. he was led to behead somebody because he studied that in his mosque apparently. i think it is very different from what you have up in canada and what you have got frin england. >> katherine, from the investigative people doing this are they frustrated they don't have the tools or are their hands tied. why are they seeing the pockets around them.

>> if he feel it is if i am to have a real discussion to see how much security and interference vr investigations into their criminal lives they need the government to take it. how much do you want the government in>> if they don't want the government in the communications they have to accept the limited risk. >> every one of these cases if you go back to the cases where they are arrested for the terrorism they are all saying the same thing. for political correctness don't dare go near them until they

have committed a murder. >> it is hypocrisy and remind people in terms of what it is they are committing. >> law foreignsment was reluctant to do that. you are at the border line with religion. people don't like getting into that. you have to get further along in that direction to. >> the whole objective is to get there. >> they didn't get there soon enough. >> they are being accused of

detracting this that and the other thing. at the end of the day it is a multi facetted approach. we have to continue to apply pressure overseas if they are looking over their shoulder they are not plotting and executing attacks. we need to look to improve our information in intelligence scari sharing. the reality is it is becoming blurred. you have the bridge figure the awlaki's hanging out in yemen and looking the worldjbs over. you have the law enforcement piece the missing dimension is exposing this. >> we are hearing more ofxv[ñ now. >> we are hearing more of it now but there have been three intelligence warning about retaliation and attacks by sis sis. here in the united states and also from our allies. that is not an accident. >> i have>> thank you so much

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