. hello, everyone, i'm kimberly, along with bob, eric, and greg. it's 5:00 in new york city and this is "the five." the nurse that is fighting in wquarantine in new jersey is going home. she had been quarantined since friday after landing in newark airport from sierra leon. here's governor chris christie. >> we're very happy that she was released from the hospital, she tested negative for ebola. there's no reason to keep her, the reason she was put in the hospital in the first place was

because she was running a high fever and she was symptomatic, that's a common sense approach. >> she says she was never sick, she says her treatment was inhumane and has threatened to sue. >> we don't need politicians to make these kinds of decisions, we need public health experts to make this decision. i understand that people feel like they have a risk and i think we can have a conversation about what further measures might look like. but i think this is an extreme that is really unacceptable and i feel like my basic human rights have been violated. >> a lot to discuss about this because people are having some strong opinions about her reaction, her statements, eric, you're shaking your head. >> because i live in new jersey, chris christie had it right from the beginning, when she came back she had a fever and she

exhibited symptoms. you're getting off a plane, you stay you have had exposure, and you have a fever, what else is someone supposed to do. my concern is that chris christie backtracked after the feds said don't do the quarantine. meanwhile everyone in new jersey is saying, hey, christie good job. so when you get into the debate, whether he violated her civil liberties our not or is concerned about the public good. but my concern with christie is that he so quickly rolled within a day or so. >> so, greg, do you see a big reason to be this upsets and angry and wanting to sue everyone? >> this is an entirely new experience so this one is going to be imperfections and flaws. so it creates a perception of increased risk. the virus has not changed at all, but the perception has. so she has to understand that people are concerned and that

concern might say why not volunteer for a quarantine. the problem with the quarantine is that it's bad, you got to make it fun. i quarantined myself in my senior year in college, i kb quarantined myself in bed with soap operas. you can't treat nurses like that and expect to want to go there and save people's lives and stop an epidemic, but you've got to create a structure to make it happen. but the real comedy is that you have a president who hasn't managed a lemonade stand asking two governors -- i mean after, he held her, when he found out there were no symptoms, when she

was fithere's no question, cuom caved first. but chris krchristie said she doesn't have a temperature, i think probably chris christie was saying, good riddance, get out of my state. she has a god given right to be free of inconvenience, but we don't have a god given right to be free from dying? and if you look at the history of the court the supreme court had a history of upholding -- the government spends kpoexorbit amounts of money. i do think they could make it more of an incentive. i just don't -- the people that are contracting ebola are people that are coming back from these regions, so if we're not quarantining them, then who else

are we supposed to quarantine. >> something that strikes me is that people will sue anything, the idea of bringing somebody in to sue on this is ridiculous. >> so you now you're speaking out against trial lawyers? >> the other thing is somebody is not exactly -- how you can misread a temp, of all the tests you can take. >> upset and flushed. >> if you look at, she comes back from this area u she's got a temp, why not? >> i just feel like it, i get it, thank you for going over there to west africa. you want a chilling effect on this, but statement, quit crying, why don't you act, you're a nurse, you're supposed to care, you put other people ahead of yourself, why don't you say okay, we're trying to perfect this, it wasn't exactly right, but come on, 21 days, you get your iphone, you get food, it's not the best situation ever, but she's going to get

out. but you got to be concerned for the public safety. >> what we do, at least from what i can see when we watch shows like the sopranos, when there's a criminal that's going to testify in court, they put them in a nice hotel. she deserves something like that, there's not a lot of these doctors, we can afford to take care of them and put them in a nice place. just like a luxury ebola place. they were talking about an aircraft carrier offshore, put parables in there. but what about the ones that aren't coming back that are doctors and nurses, what about the travelers who are coming back that have 103 fever, what does chris christie say next time, does he say no, we're not allowed to quarantine because of the feds. there's no law that says its the state's right to do this and there's no law that says the feds have the ability to tell the states not to do it. it's a negotiated deal. >> you bring up a greet point

because part of the point is, who's the boss, who's in charge of ebola, should it be the states or should it be the federal government. >> doesn't that create like a patch work of policies that can confuse the public and you don't have an overarching federal policy that rules? >> until you can take this up with james madison, we have a federal system in this country in which states are given significant authority for governing their constituents. it's certainly true when it comes to public safety and pub ling health. >> all right, do you have a point? >> absolutely. he does have a point. chris christie was right to do this, the governors have to act, because not only are they constitutionally within their rights, i mean president obama has failed. this nurse came out and she said, she just ripped chris christi, she said he has no

medical experience, look at the doctor that came back from new york, he has all the medical experience in the world and he doesn't -- >> look at the founding fathers, the point was to send the responsibility to the states for the -- for the people in their states, for their health issues, and then, you know, at the same time, president obama is telling cuomo and christy to avoid -- >> the worst thing about that is that when you're talking about a quaranti quarantine, he said take it up with james madison, well james madison is dead. >> isn't he in quarantine? i don't understand why in the world, if they have a temperature and they're symptomatic, they don't have a right to be out. they need to be put someplace to make sure they don't have ebola. >> why doesn't she chill out and

say you know what? this is a tremendous sacrifice, it's suffering and it's bad what i have to go through, why not an abundance of caution? >> why are your civil rights being stifled her? because due process doesn't work on the same timeline as ebola either, we can't have the ebola response tied up in the court. >> are you guys sure -- the government, either state or federal has the right to quarantine. >> she's not going to -- listen, there's no way, there's no ways she's going to get any recovery. >> she is going to be talking about this. >> show went a charter ed --

>> what about the 5-year-old bier. . >> prevent good people have doing good work, you have to create quarantine when they come back, it's something they do, it's not something they have to hate and despite s but again, this is new, we haven't done this before, so we're figuring it out. >> don't you have to have a little bit of patience with that? especially in the health care industry. >> you know that i am a doctor. >> you play one on tv. >> there was an outbreak of tub burk low s tube burk low sis. the individual it seems to me does not have the right to affect the whole. >> it's self irk. >> isn't there a concern that these are health care worker whs are doing this? those are the onesal that should be self-quarantined and letting people know where they have been and that they don't feel good.

>> why don't you do it yourself and say, listen, i'm going to stay in my apartment and eat top ramen and eat whatever you've got at home. god forbid you give it to somebody else, wouldn't you feel bad? >> i think the people in the medical profession are confident enough to know when they're symptomatic versus when they aren't. but there's an earthquake in public confidence. we don't believe in anybody. so which don't trust them. so when the fellow goes out to bowl, he says he's fine, but we don't trust them. >> but the on set, you're bowling, you're bowling the best game of your life, the next day you're down with a fever.

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welcome back. at this point, what does it matter? strike one. when we left the white house we were broke, strike two. behold hillary clinton, swing and a miss, strike three. >> don't let anybody tell you that, you know, it's corporations and businesses that create jobs. you know that old theory, trickle down economics. that has been tried, that has failed. it has failed rather spectacularly. >> well, i guess hillary doesn't believe businesses create jobs, they just give you speaking fees. >> she's a chalk board of fingernails. corporations don't create jobs, it's the fairies.

she's exhausted, she seemed so tired, the whole appearance seemed kind of like she was out of it and she didn't even know what she was saying, i thoughts it was a mess. >> it's kind of an arrogance. >> i think she was -- she was gone. i mean because that was so lazy. it was the laziest i have ever seen her. >> can i throw in here, bob, that she literally got so much heat that she tried to say she left a few words out of that comment that would make it seem less ridiculous. >> i think and at a point, itted like she was struggling for her words. i think she was tired. there's no gas left in the tank. listen, the words and the contents are still there. >> let me repeat it from my standpoint, corporations and business do not create jobs, it is the consumer who creates jobs. the consumer doesn't go out and buy -- >> what do they buy, there are, bobbi, they buy products?

who makes the products. >> remember when the consumers creating the ipod and then the ipod just magically appeared. >> can you remember when the consumers created-toe. >> consumers hadn't bought the ipod, it would have failed. >> and they're going to create the ebola vaccine too, the c consum consumers. >> but defending a comment that she said she made in error. >> it doesn't matter, if she said that in error, she's wrong, businesses and corporations do not create jobs. >> your thoughts on this. >> i don't think her being exhausted and her being as progressive at her core are mutually exclusive. but hillary clinton is the mother goose of progressivism, and she's laid eggs all the over the place, i don't think it's the way she really feels, i don't think she opens her mouth without speaking to her husband and i do think that this was a calculated political move for

her to outflank -- >> you got a lot of people buying the product, it creates jobs. >> they hire employees, that's a job -- >> because the consumer creates the demands. that's why they hire employees. >> five weeks ago, among likely voters, on the question which party should control the senate, today just a week later, that margin has more than doubled to 11 points, some very good news for the republicans. and debby wasserman-schultz. >> we have heard this in previous elections, too extreme, too extreme, tea party, we can't work them, so it seems that the democrats overall message is, isis is scary, eboela is scary, but republicans are a lot scarier. >> well, that's right.

>> bob, first of all, can you hit on that poll, it's a big, wide margin, with 11 points. >> this poll shows a lot of people, there's a much bigger share of republicans than is reflective of the electorate, which is why it is at that margin. it gets back to the fundamental basis. >> i'm not taking it more heavily polled. >> when you ask likely voters, they are more republican likely voters than there normally is. because they've go out and vote. >> i think you said people that were polled. this was polled among likely voters, they didn't overpoll republicans in the polls. >> when they asked for likely voters, you're going to get a larger percentage of people who are going to be at the polls. k.g., your thoughts on debby

wasserman says that the gop is scared of isis and ebola. >> she's not helpful, she's actually helping the republicans more than she's helping the democrats at this point and the clintons don't like her either. so i hope she's got another job lined up. >> wait a second. all it proves is that she's watching cashing in, saturday you said that liberalism was a cancer. >> you watched? >> yes, i did. >> we buried the lead. >> she just stole your thunder. >> she did. >> was it cancer? spreading all across the country. >> her rhetoric is so inflammatory, don't you think that voters -- i understand -- i get it, she's trying to begin up the voter. if you're a voter, you say're

saying yes, after you're watching the beheading videos t gop is scarier, and it's a little embarrassing that they can't find --. >> it's hyperbole, it's a joke. >> it's about obama or not. debby wasserman schultz is all over the map. >> is this election about president obama's policies? >> this election is about making sure that we elect a congress that will focus on the priorities that people care about the most. >> what's on the ballot, are they the president's policy ors not? are the president's policies on the ballot? >> maybe you should let candy ask the questions and not you. >> are the president's policies on the ballot, yes or no? >> yes, the president's policies are on the ballot. >> i'm surprised she didn't say

obobama who? president obama said himself that his agenda was on the ballot this year, so he's contradicted debbie wasserman schultz, you've got in colorado, the failure of the war on women. you've got angie lamb, in new hampshire, jeanne shaheen is running away. his agenda is on every single state's ballot for different reasons. >> why anybody could just assume that it wouldn't be a reflection of his position. but having said that, i'm going to be a little country. you guys got to be a little careful about counting your votes. you got a week to go. wait, wait, wait, we just saw a poll doubling in the margin. i will tell you there's two republicans that are going to be knocked off. >> the only way you guys can get closer is by continuing to

abandon your belief and abandon your leader who pushed that agenda. the democratic party is a wolf in a sheep's pan suit. >> they're there, they're stuck, what are you going to do, say no? >> all right, we're going to leave it right there. the government, politicians and others have blamed terror attacks in the u.s. and canada on lone wolves, but is that really the right label for these terrorists? are they lone wolfs are not.

on the heels or recent terror attacks, we now see the rise of a certain phrase, the kind of lone wolf act of terrorism that which have been talking about. >> maybe they're lone wolves and maybe they didn't have friends. we are well aware of the request that went out by isis for

homegrown terrorists, lone wolf terrorists to carry out attacks. >> how ready is new york city and america for these apparent lone wolf attacks? >> muslim extremists are really firing up this lone wolf phen phenomen phenomenon. >> the president has identified the risk of a lone wolf terrorist as something that is significant. >> now lone wolf is not only an inaccurate description, it's also a harmful one because it sounds koolt. lone wolf is about an exmercenary out to settle a score, always outside the law and usually on after macgiver. these ghouls are simply a bitter sheep -- they're a making it

increasingly more difficult to identify evil. it's like monitoring health symptoms, assuming they arise for no reason and prevents you from actually seeing a disease. you dochbn't call ebola unrelat incidents of violence. let's not call them lone wolves, but whatever you do don't call them criminals, because criminals wish to survive their crimes, these maggots don't, they want to die with others, the pain inflicted is their own achievement, which makes them closer to worms than wolves. >> that's true. >> eric what should we call them? >> i think you hit it on the head, radical islamists, what politicians are calling them lone wolves because that avoids them having to say radical islam as we well know, that's not politically correct because you

become an islamoophobe. >> i think we should say it like this, i slam islam terrorists. do you think characterizing terrorists as one ops prevents the linkage to better ops behind it. >> they like to use the word, and i say they meaning the administration because then as you point out, they don't have to talk about the ideology behind all of it and they don't have to categorize it as terrorism and they can use the term self-radicalized when we're learning most of these guys aren't self radicalized, they're being reached through the internet and they're mischaracter triszing the threat. >> does what we call things matter? >> no. i mean, look, we're calling them radical islamists, but what they are is crazy.

they got caught up in this cult and they' through the internet. the fact of the matter s if we called them anything we want, you still have it. the idea that somehow we change our voices and these guys are going to stop? >> but it does matter when you call them, when you say crazies that are part of a cult, you think the davidian compound. >> these guys have associated themselveses with radical islam. >> you're giving them a mental illness. you know what? i think they have criminal records, they have welcomed jihad into their life and that's why the lone wolf term is really misleading, because they're highly creative intelligence creatures. all of these individuals have been radicalized by groups. whether it's aq, whether it's isis, whatever it is, they have found some connection that they

want to carry out. so here's the problem. we take the pass for it, you can't travel, guess what? they're going to do it here. >> can you imagine if we keep calling them crazy, it's going to be a mental health issue, you should put them into a one flew over the cuckoo's nest program. >> how are you going to do it? get everybody together that -- >> they should be keeping a very close eye on these people. they revoke their passports look what in canada, they want to join up in syria, let them go. they stay here and they boil the pot. they get a hat chech. >> if they're crazy, they didn't go and shoot this guy, the

hatchet killer, they say well don't hurt him because he's crazy, they're already taking away the rights of cops for stop and frisks. >> you're playing a different game, you're just labeling them as crazy. >> i calm them islamic terrorist crazy. >> who's evil then, bob. they're evil and sometime you're evil to me. >> no. >> on that note. >> all right, ahead, because someone asked for it, kiss rocker gene simmons has some advise for women, don't depend on men, he says when "the five" returns.

kiss frontman gene simmons had some advice on my website, his message, you can't assume a man is going to be there to support you.

>> women stop depending on men. imagine there are no men in life. go out there and make as much money can you can, find out that thing that you're good for that makes the money and then get married and/or have children in a position of strength. >> so some are calling his remarks sexist, despite the fact that he's really calling for female empowerment. that's exactly the way i took it, kimberly. >> how is this sexist at all? i mean this is like my playbook? why wouldn't you operate from a position of strength, don't rely on a man, women don't have to. i agree with him, they're smart, they have ideas for businesses, they have ways to make money. like you don't need to always think that the easy lay-up is oh, i'll get a guy and that's it. get a guy because you want to be a team with him and you want to do great things and have great conversation and other things. >> it's an insurance policy, because he expanded longer in the interview saying guys are dogs, things don't work out, life is not a fairy tale, men

predominantly may run out on you, so what you should do is build your career first, so if they do, you're okay if that happens. what's wrong with that? >> there's nothing wrong with what he's saying, and i guess the reason why people are calling him sexist is that he's a man and he's calling women out. but by the way, i agree with both you and gene simmons. >> my wife ran out on me, it's a good, wise decision on her part. i think he's exactly right, men, you can't depend on them, that's a perfectly legitimate thing he said. he's saying what so many women in pop culture have said as well. just earn some money in case the worst happens. >> he said it wearing mary tyler moore's wig. i won't who he's talking to, i don't know any women in my life who are depending on man.

a lot of women depend on government, that's a bigger issue than depending on men. >> he's saying both, maybe. >> i would adjust it to say women should not take college courses on identity politics or gender, because that's not a career, that's an escape. you'll end up becoming a feminist blogger. >> he also said that women are the back bone of the family, he's heaping all this praise on females still people are saying it's a feminist issue. here you go. >> men are arroganarrogant, wom up to us, they think we're the backbone of the family, we're not, women are the backbone of the family. >> when you look in terms of buying power, women making decisions, to buy cars, to buy homes, they dictate a lot of the choices are and in charge of many of the financial decisions, he's right about that. go back to what he was saying

before, why not have a woman be in a position of strength so she never has to stay in a relationship that may be abusive. >> i told him that i had followed that playbook. you build a career first, you have the money and then you can settle on relationships second. he says relationship second, career first. >> his point about women are the backbone, a family, it's not a unyua unicycle, you have to have both. you both have roles, sometimes they overlap or they switch. which is fine, but you need both inputs, so to speak. >> yeah, bob, what's so funny. >> bones of the family, i find that very humorous. >> what's so humorous about it.

>> men are not the backbone of the family, i think women are. first of all, look at the guy, what is he's spousing. >> he's actually highly intelligent. he's been very successful and he worked as a teacher as well. >> that's good, why don't aye go visit with him. >> when you ask him who's the backbone of kiss, i guarantee you he wouldn't say he was, he would say we all are, we need the drummers, we need the vocals, we need everybody, right? >> the facts is that men and women offer different roles and i guess women outlive men by about, what, 5% to 7% and that gap is growing wider. we talks about the wage gap, but we don't talk about the age gap, men are dying sooner than women, and it's because often times we take more risks to build a career, we build the bridges that we ends up falling off of, 27 to 30 people died building the brooklyn bridge. so there are sacrifices made by

both sexes, we are different. embrace the differences. >> he's saying don't get married, he's saying don't get married early because men aren't ready to be married early, you should wait, and while you're waiting for men to mature, you can build your career. >> and this is the problem, and a rock star knows this that he's dating younger women, so if he's telling women to put off marriage for a career, he is one of the ones that wouldn't date you, he would date the younger ones. >> he's very lucky because shannon tweed stayed with him for 25 years, and he was boozing and womanizing and she put up with it. next jeb bush's son drops a big hint on whether his dad is going to run for the white house and he will tebob will tell you and he will tebob will tell you scares him the most

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. good morning, if another bush is going to run for the white house, this is as close as you've gotten so far to an answer. this is jeb bush's son, george

p. >> is your dad going to run for president? >> i think he'll run. >> is it more than 50% or less than 50%. >>nk it's more than 50%. i think he's giving it a lot of thought. >> will the family will behind him? >> the family will be behind him 100% if he decides to do it. >> this is what you call it is a big trial balloon. >> i don't agree it's a weak republican field. i think he will have a bit of a hard time in the republican parties because of his stance on common core. it's not just a casual backing of common core, it's an outright full throated defense of common core. immigration is going to have a hard time. then he really kind of -- there's a piece of video that came out or audio that came out about two or three weeks ago,

and in it, he talked about a 10 for 1 split deficit reduction increase. he's the only republican whoever said he would be in fiver of this. that kicked off grover norquist. >> can you tell us what a strong republican field is? >> ted cruz, ron paul, chris christie, marco rubio. scott walker. >> there ought to be a ticket, ted cruz and rand paul, i think that would be perfect. >> eric makes a very good point about trying to get through a republican primary, because you're going to hit him on the compassionate conservatism. open borders, he's going to get crushed on that. er eric's writing about common core, i think there's bush fatigue, period. >> before you go after last names, remember what rand's last name is. so that criticism to me is one dimensional. when you have a big primary fight --

>> but his dad wasn't president. >> but rand paul, you have to look at the other people in the race, what kind of politics they have, what they recommend, how they treat people, do they have a solid set of convictions. i think bush is a good guy, but i would like to see something different than what happened in the previous ruined where you have kind of a police line of people all really angling for talk shows. i want people who are really serious who have stature, who have wit, who have a will, who are charming, who are charismatic, i know it's not going to happen. it's never going to happen. >> we should have our obama, the republican conservative libertarians should find their obama. >> you see anybody in the republican field -- >> i believe in individually, if i had a last name where several people in my family had ran for president, i would still want to be considered on my own merit, there is still some issues that he had to deal with, like common core, but that's an evolution,

his heart's in the right place where education is concerned, i think we can learn from this to come forward. i think someone on the republican side who can win, besides the nomination, that in the actual election, and the problem is that we have seen in the reflections of the past, it didn't work so well. if that's the case, and if there's somebody who i do believe it does help with the hispanic vote, i think he's somebody that understands minority communities, i'm a hispanic woman, i like that, he's smart, i think he's got a tremendous amount of abilities. >> let me throw to democrats, the reason he worries me is i think republicans are tired of being out, so there's going to be more pragmatic voting, it was a very crowded field. >> bush wouldn't get out of iowa. he may win the nomination, but it wouldn't be because of iowa. >> he'll get through iowa, he'll get through new hampshire.

>> with. >> we're talking general elections versus primary elections. >> i can give you a primary example of why he will get the nomination, without having to move too far off, because these guys want to win and he can win in a crowded field. one more thing is up next,

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one of my greatest accomplishments. >> that was very cute, huh? >> today and tomorrow and wednesday, i'm going to give you predictions. these people who have no experience are making fun of me. these three -- >> these three women, i think have changed the tide of this race for the senate, i think there's a very good possibility the three of them can win, which would be one seat away from the republicans. there could be a seat away from kansas, that means the republicans are going to take it away in the senate if these three women win. >> this is a great one, the san francisco giants, bring it home. take a listen to this. ♪ when the lights go down in the city ♪

♪ and the sun shines on the bay ♪ >> he can't go to kansas city because game skix for the royal, very exciting. >> they can clinch it right there. >> itch was going to do the thi where the -- didn't do that. but i bump into my neighbor, wendy williams down stairs in the newsroom. everyone loves that. >> that's your one more thing? >> that was a good one. set your dvr so you never >> good morning. it is tuesday october 28th. a fox news alert. our troops treating ebola patients in hot zones mandated to a quarantine.

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>> >> hot zones to a mandatory quarantine. >> they are sorting out the administration's mixed messages. >> those american troops left the hot zone in isolation at three weeks in their base in italy meaning no contact with other troops or family members until it is guaranteed they are ebola free. it was put in place by the department of the army. it is a lot more straight than the rules for doctors and others which is a problem for some lawmakers here in the states. >> kaunt treat the military one way and treat het workers another way. line be liberia and sierra leone citizens different way. >> the nurse from maine was released before her 21 days were up after complaining