>> we'll see you back here for a second hour one hour from now. jon: we'll talk about that comet, spacecraft landing on a comet. school stuff. heather: that is something else. jon: 10 years in the making. that is next hour. "outnumbered" starts right now. [applause] >> oh, yeah, lots of hugs for that comet jon was talking about. mission control celebrating a big first in space. a touchdown to crown a decade-long journey. the european space agency successfully landed an unmanned probe on a comet, people. that comet was traveling 40 times faster than a speeding bullet. that is faster than superman. this is so risky they called the mission seven hours of terror. this shows the philae landerrer. it will spend two days on the comet drilling on surface and studying is composition and witness up close how a comet changes as exposure to the sun varies.

we're expected to get the first panoramic pictures and we'll show them to you when they break space and get to us. ♪ >> this is "outnumbered." i'm andrea tantaros. here with us, harris faulkner, sandra smith, author, political commentator and spokesman, and ray campos. and joining us from the sister network, not stepsister, or half-sister, sister network, charlie gasparino. he is "outnumbered." >> i'm "outnumbered" and i'm lucky. that is contradiction, isn't it? >> that is -- >> to be outnumbered by us. >> i am lucky. >> just in from vegas, yes. >> yeah. >> won't ask you what happened because that is the rule. >> i gave a speech. i worked out. i ate a steak. came home. >> wow. that saul you can tell us. >> and you're lying. >> i believe him. >> my old man was degenerate

gambler. i don't touch the stuff. >> you were doing push-ups. you're in great stuff. >> your dad was military ray guy. >> was a marine. >> we begin with a big day on capitol hill as congress returns for the first time since the gop steamrolled democrats at polls. likely senate majority leader in the next congress mitch mcconnell, welcoming his soon toe be republican colleagues. the gop adding a plus margin of eight senators with dan sullivan now declared the winner in alaska. this as hill watchers say the lame-duck session beginning today could provide first crucial test whether or not democrats and republicans can really work together. if there ever was a doubt that the midterm shellacking was referendum on president's leadership, well these numbers from the new "gallup poll" are getting our attention. by 17-point margin, 53-36%, americans want the republican controlled congress to seater nation, not president obama. and in another sign voters appear happy with the midterm

results, more americans than not, 33% to 19, see themselves being better off in the future than worse off. okay, so typically, charlie, i think lame-duck congresses are pretty lame historically. they only did it so people could get on horse and buggies to come back. typically when you lose you're escorted out next day. we have these lame-duck congress. i think it will be pretty lame, do you agree. >> lore rhett is a lynch may become the next attorney general in next couple weeks -- loretta lynch. i say this, one democrat that matters, that is president obama. does president obama want to compromise on couple of things on obamacare? get rid of the medical device tax? i don't think so. by the way it would be very good for the economy. is ready to compromise on dodd-frank? just a couple things would make it very good for the economist. i don't think so. so i think what this is setting us up for a lost of talking about compromise and hanging out together and kumbayah but the next two years are going to be a brawl. i just don't see, i don't see,

next couple of weeks. i don't think we'll see it just yet. when the president starts to unleash amnesty for illegal aliens, essentially what it is, it will be amnesty, he wants to pick a fight. that is when the rubber meets the road on battle royal. >> immigration and nominees harry reid is tasked with pushing through in the lame-duck session. >> there are 367 pieces of legislation which have passed the house and can they get them to the senate and send them to the president's desk? they have been sitting there with control of the senate. so it will be interesting to see. what we laid out here i think what the stakes are for each of the stakeholders. good negotiator. the most important democrat, the most important american in terms of this point in this process. can the president and legally, can the president be a food negotiator and bring both sides together? what is his end goal? you named some of the end goals politically but what is is? >> i don't know president obama. people know him personally, he is brilliant man, very smart,

engaging even to republicans. is a guy you want to hang out with when you see him one-on-one. there is something in his dna he is so much more like saul alinsky, great radical community organizer from chicago than he is like bill clinton. bill clinton would compromise on every issue i told you about. this is what would happen. the economy would break out of 3% growth mode. probably go up to four or five. have more jobs and hillary clinton would be elected but i don't believe it is his dna to pull a bill clinton. >> let me bring in sandra here. you saw the poll numbers. why are people so optimistic? because they trust republicans handling the economy? why are people feeling so much better? >> their prayers were answered. they do not like what is going on in washington. led many people to have a very pessimistic outlook not only what is happening in the country

and rachel, looking forward, they don't feel like their children will have a better future. just change in general has led to a lot more optimism postelection. >> our husband, a congressman, heading back to work, what are thinks thoughts on the gop wins? >> he is also looking at this lame-duck session what the tone is going to be. is he actually going to do this amnesty move. i think that there is hope that maybe these democrats feel the pressure. the ones that were, that were elected, to, are they going to just cede all their power over to the president and just let him lead their agenda? or are they going to start to compromise a little bit? not that likely but possible. >> there is an item they may be able to get some support on from democrats and republicans. that is the keystone pipeline and it could cause a little bit of tension though for some democrats in this lame-duck session. senate democrats potential plan to bring in controversial pipeline to a vote before the end of the year, all of sudden harry reid likes it now. those measures have failed in

democratic congress before. but now the move could help boost democratic senator mary landrieu's chances in next month's runoff against republican bill cassidy. she said repeatedly she supports the pipeline and vowed to bring it to a vote. cassidy blasting senate majority leader harry reid saying he could have brought it to the floor multiple times. >> only job he is interested in protect something senator mary landrieu's. he could have brought this months up ago. it is cynicism. it is what people doot like about washington. they care more about returning their colleagues, senator landrieu to the senate than they do about those 40,000 jobs with woe have better wages, better benefits. >> he is absolutely right, rachel. harry reid could have brought this pipeline, create ad number of jobs but didn't do it. now when mary landrieu is in trouble, he figures i will try to bring it to the floor. >> it's a hail mary pass for sure. i don't think it will work. i talked to people in louisiana, friends of mind.

it is not bacon she didn't bring home for energy. really energy she expended on supporting the rest of the obama agenda, health care and everything else. especially some of the regulations on energy. those things are not going to get changed by this vote. by the way, even if they brought this up to vote, it will not pass the senate. even if it did pass the senate, it will get vetoed by the president. in the end what do we have no change, no new jobs for louisiana. it's a lame move. >> vetoes the pipeline, i mean that will, i think severely hurt him. this will pass. it will get through with republican support. >> there is not a lot of expectations out there that the president will be okay with this. listen, let me remind everybody, she is chairwoman of the senate energy committee. the republicans have been asking for this vote to come to the floor dozens of times, more than dozens of types. so the timing is all political here. so don't forget that while she, and democrats and harry reid now we'll vote on this because it's a good political strategy, they still need the cooperation of

republicans who will -- >> will not help her. rachel is right. it will not save her. >> i think this will backfire. one of the most uncovered stories out there how far left, how much the left-wing of the democratic party controls the party right now. you know, media, mainstream media particularly wrings their hands so much about the christian, christian right controlling the republican party, which it has a say. i don't think it controls it or maybe tea partiers. you know, the saul alinsky wing, elizabeth warrens control the democrat party. what will happen? she may vote for thing if it cops. just about every other democrat will vote against it. it will expose them to be left that they are and be a problem. >> there are some senators, that is why harry reid would bring in the floor and would pass an benefit america which is pretty demented. >> will he vote for it? >> that is a great question. >> he won't. >> that is growing rift within the democrat coalition, there are blue-collar, blue dog democrats who are union, these

are great union jobs. >> three three of them. there are three of them. >> environmental left on the east coast and west coast who are -- >> listen for every joe manchin, the senator from west virginia, there is about, he is outnumbered. >> he is outnumbered. >> wow. >> the democratic party is the party of the far left. one of the things we learn from this election just how far left the democratic party is, and how like middle america, i don't mean like people in the middle of america, most people in that radical middle, that dick morris always talked about, hate to quote the guy, he was right about this, how they hate the extreme of the left. people always thought, you know, con verial wisdom they hated extreme of the left. this last election show they hate extreme of the left. >> a lot moved rats lost. now president obama is with a more progressive liberal agenda. >> one thing i say about

president obama, brilliant politician. there are traps. he wasn't there either, right? he didn't play a big role for obvious reasons but he is smart guy. >> firestorm continues over obamacare architect saying that the law passed because of the stupidity of the american voter. now he has apologized but now we're learning this wasn't just one slip of the tongue. major retailers charging more for plus size clothing. is that really fair? especially when at least one of them doesn't do it for men. right after the show, catch more from the catch couch on the web, "outnumbered overtime" you know it. foxnews.com/"outnumbered." tweet what you want to talk about. charlie talks about what he did in vegas. try to get him to answer. ♪ i have a cold.

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making apology of sorts. >> they were made at academic conference and basically speaking off-the-cuff and spoke inappropriately and regretted making those comments. >> now a second video emerging of gruber, saying this wasn't just a slip of the tongue. >> pretty much the same thing. remember, too stupid to understand it. [laughing] >> syndicated columnist charles krauthamer had something to say about that. gruber's comments prove what conservatives have been saying about liberals all along. listen. >> what we're hearing is the true voice of liberal arrogance. they believe this. they believe that the voters are stupid as he said. and they believe that they know the right way. they have to leave the masses to the mass -- promised land and can only do it by deception. >> rachel, tough to hear. do you agree with charles? >> i totally agree. conservatives have been saying

this about liberals and their big centralized government idea of how things should be run for a long time. now finally we have it on tape. i wonder where is the mainstream media? they're kind of complicit in this. the american people were on to it, not that stupid, on to it from the get-go. voted them out in 2010 and this time. based on what they thought was a bad policy where is media and jon stew warts, if they had this video on republican, what would they be doing this. >> they think we're stupid too. >> i think there are two issues here. this underscores as krauthamer said the sort of contempt elitist liberals have for working class america. they think people that work with their hands and work with a living are stupid. it has always been contempt. that is why some working-class people rebelled against them in this election. he was so misplayed about, american people aren't stupid. the media was stupid when it comes to obama care.

if you took us out of the equation you would know problems with the rube goldberg -- >> core or accomplice it. >> part of both. obamacare isn't a new thing. it is not socialized medicine. it is the same crappy system we have now that we had before put like a two on it on the top. times a gazillion. it is, the worst of what was the worst that we had before. the media never explained. that essentially it is socialized insurance. >> as nancy pelosi said, harris, we have to pass this thing so everybody can find out. >> of course. >> she didn't think it was necessary for the people to know what was in it before it passed. >> all right. >> do you think is about the administration thinking voters are stupid? >> i will say two things. i would think that the administration would like to say mr. gruber does not represent it. that is what they would like to say. they like to get their hands on all past video clips he has been in. set an egg timer for how long it

takes to find the next one. during technolology things replicate, if there is one there are probably a million copies of whatever. regardless what side looks thinks of the other we're getting pretty good indication. i don't think he is mincing words. i haven't heard, i haven't heard democrats hold news conferences or come on record say, he does not represent my point of view. we don't think, i haven't heard any backlash on this? where is the cry for civility and common sense saying, that is not how we as democrats feel, as liberals feel. we love everybody. i'm not hearing that. why are we not hearing that? >> krauthamer is right, progressive, they always assume that people can not be trusted to their own devices right? they have to make decisions for the american people how to spend their tax dollars because they know better. they can make health care decisions. >> right. >> they can make energy decisions. they don't trust people because they assume they are stupid. that is the basically of progress sievism. the media doesn't cover it they're in the same camp. they think people are stupid

too. i always say republicans pass laws and hope people pass laws. progressive pass laws and hope people never find out. >> or as nancy pelosi said they will never read it. >> president obama once said they cling to their guns and religion. that is all that needs to be said. that is ruling ethos of progressism. that is what saul alinsky believes. president obama. >> it is elitist and arrogance. >> they despise the middle class of america more than, more than any republican. >> flip side, mr. gruber went rogue. the democrats will be calling him later today. he will have to have another apology. >> can we call him gruber? >> very clear message twice. we have special programing for you tonight. part two of our exclusive interview with the navy seal who killed usama bin laden. here is robert o'neill how he became the guy who made that shot. >> how is it you ended up number two man on the stairs to the

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♪ >> welcome back to "outnumbered." 1970s era terrorist convicted of murder could be once again teaching college kids right here in the u.s. this week the board of trustees at university of illinois will consider rehiring james kilgore, previously served as adjunct professor at the school but his contract expired. before that he spent six years behind bars for his role in a deadly bank robbery in 1975. he and his liberation army comrades robbed banks to finance guerrilla warfare in support after communist revolution in the u.s. during one heist, a customer was murdered.

the 42-year-old mother of four bled to death on the floor of the bank. kilgore was on the run for nearly three decades until he was caught in 2002 and convicted of second-degree murder. rachel, how do people like this get jobs? i mean we've seen it with bill ayres? seems only place that welcomes them with open arms are academia. parents pay a lost tuition money to have someone like this feed kids garbage. >> am i surprised? no. our colleges and universities are teaming with radical liberals. they believe in diversity of everything, religion, sexuality and race and except diversity of thought. we have historic majorities, conservatives have historic majorities in state legislatures. through appropriationings, through board of trustees we have the ability as citizens to demand that. these are state-run schools. it is our tax dollars. >> absolutely.

>> we have the ability to demand it. people should be up in arms. this is calling card for everybody to get involved at the state level because this is what they do. they want to indoctrinate our children. and also, by the way alumni dollars, tuition dollars, your money talks. >> i think you're educating a lot of people on that point. i don't think people know the power they have with regard to this. >> as oldest person on this set right now by far i would say -- >> thank you for say that. >> i would say i grew up in the '70s and i remember the sim by an east liberation army. they kidnapped patty hurst. heiress of the hearst newspaper family. they kidnapped her and tortured her. i don't know this gentleman's role in this. it strikes me as six years in jail is a little light on the sentencing side for someone tangentally involved in a murder. as someone been to college and watch the p cnet work, it is, people like this, are applauded on college campuses while

someone like condoleeza rice, someone like condoleeza rice -- >> or ali. >> or are attacked on college campuses. >> i don't understand where you're taking this conversation. is our pool of talent that thin? that we have to rehire this man to teach at our universities. >> i'm you'd r outnumbered and -- >> i'm sorry. i don't know why you're trying to rationalize that. >> don't pose that to me. pose that, i'm with you. >> as speaker, what does he offer? you learn about communism in a book. >> what does bill ayres offer? >> his mug shot was scary enough. >> what does ward connerly offer as a professor at university of colorado. they offer nothing but radicalism. radicalism on these college campuses is celebrated. >> it is pervasive. >> compared to the sort of, think about condoleeza rice who is attacked on these college campuses. about as middle of the road, maybe right of center as you get. she is mainstream. she is attacked of the.

ward connerly is celebrated. this lunatic -- >> energy going into supporting this man's return to the university. in my home state and home city of chicago, kilgore supporters are signing petitions for this man to be employed again by university. isn't there somebody else to, this baffles me. >> there are a lot of morons out there. >> comes down to somewhat ignorance too. maybe people who book him don't know history well enough to understand this is as much a terrorist as anybody who we are hunting in the middle east. >> absolutely. absolutely. there is a lot of paren it will ignorance. parents need to be aware where they're sending their checks to. last night's concert for valor on national mall was intended to honor our servicemembers on veterans day. but some notable musicians are feeling heat for choosing to perform the late 1960s, antiwar anthem, "fortunate son." bruce springsteen and today goal of too fighters sank the

credence clearwater tune that take shots at government and vietnam war. they also performed, dropping more than a dozen f-bombs. here they were. keeping it classy. >> you [bleep], in riyadh. d.c. happy [bleep] veterans day. >> so harris -- >> i think [bleep] is worse than the, just like brain jarring. eminem. >> antiwar theme at a veterans concert? are these hollywood's, are these hollywood stars and singers, are they just out of touch? or is it, or is it starbucks and hbo that were sponsors. >> i think you can check every box there. people are just tone def on what the day means, period. aside you book him, what do you think you're going to get? not like it was shocking that he will drop 15 or so f-bombs. but the antigovernment, anti-vietnam war lingo, it was just --

>> and context. >> context on veterans day. you take it as in its totality check every box. where is the level of account ability and responsibility? >> amazing to me, nobody, think of all the people involved in a concert like this, nobody had the brains to stop and say, you guys might want to pick a different song. bruce springsteen does a lot for our troops. i love dave goal and love too fighters. there were so many songs they could pick. eminem i'm so over the f-words. ridiculous dropping of f-bombs. it is, played out, eminem. >> so fake. no offense, is eminem really a tough guy? he brags about being -- >> that hat looks -- >> listen, i'm a radical when it comes to the first amendment. i, someone who dropped an f-bomb every now and then -- >> no. >> talk about this they had to get a permit to do this. this is not outside of the law. >> cable not like regular tv

where you can't say this stuff, you have to give a little context. i think we should hold starbucks feet to the fire. >> agree. say why did you sponsor something that essentially spit on our troops in some ways? i remember like in the '70s, when the radical left spit on vietnam vets. we shouldn't allow that ever to happen again. >> remember, those companies put these performers in the, in the face of families and children across america. >> elderly veterans. >> listen, i don't hold musicians accountable. i don't. they are who they are. >> they should be come on. >> that is not my job. they can say what they want to say. people that hire them knowing that's what they stand for. that is their personality and -- >> hold them all accountable. bruce springsteen thinks he is for average guy just attacked average people that went to war. >> harris, you brought up eminem said he wanted to hit a woman like ray rice did. >> in face. what i didn't get? yesterday ceo of starbucks was

out front -- >> howard schultz. >> out front on veterans day. saying will things. don't turn this into the day you get good deals on cars. he was handing out free coffee. this seems not just disingenuous, really to fly in the face of what he was trying to say. >> maybe it is the way his politics was able to leak through this corporate culture. >> it is about money. >> i mean he probably feels the same way. maybe he feels the same way bruce springsteen does about the vietnam war. >> this is about money. you can get that much of an audience, dedicated lefty audience, kids, make a lot of money from them. he knows. that i don't think howard schultz is essentially left-winger. >> he has done a lot of beautiful things. >> came from humble beginnings. >> pay $5 for a cup of coffee. >> pretty smart, right. >> my immigrant didn't figure that out. $5 for cup of coffee. should call it four bucks. what are they putting in the

coffee. maryland largest school district votes to strip references of religious holidays on school calendars after some muslim leaders asked for equal recognition for their holy days. we'll let you decide. victims of thomas duncan reaching a settle mane to avoid a lawsuit against the hospital where he died. we have a live statement from the hospital. at the end of the show, magical time, 1:00 eastern, "outnumbered overtime." log on to foxnews.com/overtime. send us questions and comments what you want us to talk more about. tell us. we'll do it.

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maryland. the largest school district there voted to strip references to all religious holidays from the school calendar. that includes christian and jewish holidays. can't say christmas, rosh hashanah, none of that on the school calendar. after muslim leaders asked equal recognition be given to muslim holiday on the calendar. the school board's decision apparently left nobody happy. >> the school board basically stripped any designation of christmas, easter, rosh hashanah and yom kippur and, as a member of the muslim community, that is not what i was looking for. >> sometimes i don't like it because everybody is, because everybody gets their days off. whenever i have celebrations, i don't get it off. >> now what is interesting before we start our conversation is that the school board said, look, we don't technically give people days off for the holperi. it is just there are so many

absences during, you know, yom kippur and christmas that we put them on the calendar. >> sounds like nonsense. >> really? sound like nonsense. if that was the case, deer hunting week in wisconsin would be a holiday too. >> love it. >> they would vote for that. >> i should get the day after super bowl off. >> do you find it confusing the muslim community came forth and want equal treatment. they're treating everybody equal but they're not happy. >> guess who wins? the atheists are pretty happy, right? they're celebrating. no religion anywhere. i would not want to deprive anybody from celebrating their religious experience. i actually think it is okay that they took this off the calendar. i don't like it but i'm surprised they didn't just take the christian holidays off. so if they can't be fair, take it off. although personally i if you start listening to people complain you will listen to canadians. canadian independence day. end up filling the calendar with all the different holidays.

>> we do have sizable muslim minority in this country. they deserve their holiday. i don't know why they just didn't add the muslim holiday. >> they didn't have to add it because they actually, to be fair, to the muslims in this case, they actually said our holiday falls on yom kippur. so will you just say yom kippur and then this specific muslim holiday along with it. >> what is wrong with that. >> i don't know why they chose to take it off. frankly why i send my kids to catholic school. >> so much easier. >> i don't like winter concerts. >> you and i had a discussion about this. winter starts later than the winter concerts. you're not teaching them information when winter is. >> they're teaching wrong songs. they went to a winter concert with their child. they say we wish you a happy holiday which is not the lyrics of the song. we're screwing up all over the place. >> this sort past same sort of theory we began with. it is ward churchill. not ward connerly.

he will kill me getting him mixed up with the academic lefty. this is part of elitism of the left. how well has secular humanism worked for them where they strip all sorts of religion out of public discourse. by the way this is religious country this is not an atheist country. >> i don't want a lawsuit though. think about tyranny of the minority. >> aclu? >> school cowering in his boots. >> get rid of everything. not get a lawsuit. >> interesting question. add it to the calendar if there is overlay? there are years that hanukkah and christmas fall on the -- >> andrea making point there would be many, many other holidays added. >> why? >> national kill bass is a festival. kilbasa. >> how many wiccans are in the school districts? >> i don't know. but minority tyranny we're talking about. i mean -- >> there is sizable minority just wants their day like we have -- >> listen, i think they're right about. that i just wish they would show

the same kind, muslim community ought to be showing the same kind of tolerance of other faiths as they want us to show for them. >> i think -- >> sound bite we ran represented. that my goal was not to get all christian holidays removed from the calendar. the goal was not achieved here. >> let's see him speak up against people -- >> i got a card last year that said happy everything. i repurposed it at a different time of the year. >> that is a card you gave me. >> oh, goodness. >> speaking of winter, and it is not winter yet but apparently looking like it, rearing its ugly head in many parts of the nation. have you seen the pictures? colorado, it is supposed to look like that in colorado. it is beautiful except it is five degrees. that is not good. it also has been snowing as you can tell. we'll have a live weather report coming up. old knave have, i love their sweats, defending its move to charge women more for plus size

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>> more "outnumbered" in just a moment, but first let's get to jon scott with what is coming up on the second hour of "happening now." jon: hey, sandra. open enrollment under obamacare set to kick off later this week and a new controversy is now rat hing the white house. a second video of one of the architects of affordable care act has surfaced. what he has to say does not make the administration look very good. we'll bring you that ahead. european space agency making history today, successfully landing a spacecraft on a speeding comet. took 10 years to do it. phil keating reporting. we'll talk to a guest about what it means forman's quests in outer space. meantime new details today on the crash of virgin galactic's spaceshiptwo. the surviving pilot thrown from the rocket powered vehicle when it broke apart but he was able to unbuckle his seat before his parachute deployed automatically. the copilot was killed. we'll have details on the stories a whole lot more just

ahead. "happening now." >> we'll be watching. jon: thank you. >> i drew the short straw on this. i'm trying not to blush. >> be careful. >> i may be "outnumbered" but now it is my turn with this story. old navy dealing with the backlash charging women more money for plus size colleging and not charging more for larger size men like me. as you can see -- >> stop. >> this chart, the woman's plus size jeans are $10 more than the smaller size. men sizes, they're the same for the all sizes. chain store owner gap is defending prices in a statement, old navy is proud to offer styles and apparel designed specifically for her plus size female customer which incurves curve enhancing. >> holla. >> and curve flattening elements which most men's garments do not include. not mine. this higher price point reflects the selection of unique fabrics and design elements. that may be more than 19,000

people demanding petition an end to discrimination. enough with the teleprompter guys. because i almost died reading that. >> this is important. research department -- >> our research department did some digging that macy's charges more for mens and women, plus--size clothing. >> charlie, there is something to this. for all the ladies out there who get dry cleaning done on cocation, you probably know dry cleaning for women costs so much more but that is, an excuse that they have more pleats and shoulders. >> i don't even use makeup as you can tell. i don't use makeup. so, it goes, there is less, there is less that goes into making me pretty than you guys pretty. >> that is horrible argument. horrible. >> try to be -- >> it is true that the plus--size fashions have, like they have, you know, when you have the pregnancy stuff that lets you breathe or thanksgiving day clothes? you know what i'm talking about. >> no, it takes less for men, it

does. >> andrea, i would be okay for this that the reasoning behind -- >> charlie, just stop. >> put the shovel down. >> if they said the reasoning was more material costs more. >> yeah. >> if that were the case they would have to charge more for men. >> people are saying that on twitter. but, andrea, if you have a larger bottom, you need it covered up with more material. if i were ceo of a clothing company i would come out and say we don't charge more for a bigger booty. it would be a genius marketing decision. >> let's be honest. you don't think it take as little more for, to make plus size women more attractive than plus-size men? >> putting shapewear and things inside the garments. >> got to cost more. >> in 1985 the average size a woman wore was eight. >> don't hit me. i'm already, i'm already blushing. >> this is fascinating. >> in 1985 the average woman wore a size eight. today she wear as size 14.

there is a market for this. >> 57% of american women are plus sized. >> you're talking about -- >> women pay it right? they do. >> they pay it and don't ask questions. always baffle me. i always ask dry cleaners, to slip my shirts in with my husband and see if they notice. they always do. gave myself away. >> i'm economics reporter. why are they doing it? has to be some rationale? >> population will pay the price and -- >> no, because it costs more. >> if you find a pair of jeans -- >> you're saying it doesn't cost more? >> you will find a pair of jeans that looks good you will pay anything. >> i don't care about my butt. >> push-ups, are you listening, try doing push-ups with someone who weighs 300 pounds on your back like the steelers linebacker james harrison. he does this and did it with one much his teammates on his back. well he has nothing on our own one lucky guy. he will show us why. do not miss this.

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line baeshg james harrison doing pushups with his teammate on his bavenlth harrison is 36. he's also famous for his one handed pushups. and i have seen these. and he's about to do them on television. charlie, can you do a one armed. >> can you do it without splitting your pants. >> you will see my very large rear end. i will do it. >> this is, okay, we'll find out if he's wearing spanx. >> plus size clothes? >> sure. >> oh, my gosh. >> all right. oh, my gosh. wow. he's showing off. >> how can you do it with harris on your back? >> i might be able to do

a regular pushup. >> with me on his back? >> really. oh, my gosh! >> you don't have to do this. >> was he, like, okay. get on my back. >> yes. just go slow. >> all of your weight. >> push all the way down. woah! >> all right. listen, the veteran's concert has nothing on this. look at that. >> that is amazing. and i ate break fast. >> my father's training. my dad was a marine. >> thank you for that. >> and you never see what is going to happen. >> it felt like. it>> and click on the overtime tab. "happening now" starts right now. >> i am so --

>> fox news alert. the u.s. navy responds after an attack on american sailors overseas. >> anti- american sailors attacking our sailors in turkey where a u.s. war ship is docked. this is "happening now". >> quick back pedalling from the architect of obama care after he called the american people stupid. >> a second tape surfaced showing him to saying the same thing. >> how does he dig out of this? >> he risked his life and comes back and died? >> and a hero home from afghanistan shot and killed in his own neighborhood. what led to the tragedy? >> talk about mission impossible. how about trying to land a spacecraft on