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he is like from a person who was president like he was president who happens to be his son will find it an interesting book. >> your dad never wrote a memoir. was this for that reason? >> there are a lot of reason i wrote it but, yeah. i mean, i want people -- first of all, he hasn't gotten a lot of attention. one reason is because he didn't write his own book. he's a modest, humble man. he's not a chest thumper. and therefore, a lot of people haven't analyzed his presidency but it's they're going to start and i want to be a start of the initial wave. >> you're in a special club. john quincy adams never wrote about his dad. >> qnw. >> that was part of your motivation? >> her dad always wished he had read a book about john q. about

his father and i thought it sounded like a good idea. >> you talk in the book, two times in himself have both parents been there for their inauguration and one time when they were finished with their term. >> yeah, john kennedy's parents were there when he was sworn in. but it's a shoutout to have your parents alive during the presidency and have him thrive after the presidency. this is a guy who jumped out of a helicopter on his 90th birthday. >> and you voted yes on that. i guess the family, your mother was suspicious and the doctors didn't think it was good. >> the chief of staff was going around saying what do you think? and i'm going, jump. it had to make him feel very young. >> you had a tough go of it. you tell a story in the book it describes how close the bush family is.

back in november 2012 your dad had a bad cuff and went to the hospital. he had pneumonia. you and laura and the girls are expecting to go to the hospital and see your dad. you write in the book, no crying. >> i said, i don't want the last image of us to be us weeping around him. his last image. so we get over there and it's in an icu unit at methodist hospital and they are playfully rubbing his head and he rubs jenna's stomach and said there's death and there's the beauty of life and we all wept. i gave him a kiss and i thought it would be the last time i'd see him. and i underestimated him. >> misunderestimated him. >> and thank you for remembering some of my --

>> we all have them. i've been in the business a long time. you tell the story in the book about -- you hold dad, shot out of the sky and this was interesting to me, when he was -- he signed up for the navy on his 18th birthday. my father did the same thing for world war ii. he goes to war as a fighter pilot. we have video of him when he was rescued after he was shot down. and he never forget the others that's true. ut them all the >> what does that tell us about him? >> he's a loyal man with a huge heart. and he rarely talked about his experience. i'm sure your dad didn't either. >> neither. >> these are men who grew up very quickly. if you said you're a hero to your dad or my dad or a lot of people in the service they would

have said i'm just doing my duty. the sense of duty was powerful. and it was an extraordinary experience for an 18-year-old kid. it had to have been. and i think it speaks to a lot of the decisions he made in his life. such as foregoing wall street to go to texas. >> risk taker. >> and my brothers and sister and i benefitted from his example. >> interesting anecdotes in the book. you were a pain in your dad's neck a little bit. >> yeah. >> you stole toy soldiers out of a store. how did your father handle that? >> well, he handled it. there's a line you don't cross. but he handled it with grace. yeah, he saw me playing with some soldiers. i was five or six years old. and he said where did you get those? and of course i balked. and i didn't have a good answer. i wasn't well scripted.

and next thing i know i'm marching into the store, apologizing to the store owner and returning these little pathetic little toy soldiers and that was it. there was no yelling, screaming, haranguing. it was -- >> lesson taught? >> yeah. >> and you urinated in the hedges. >> i did. that. >> and you knocked over a garbage -- you were a troublemaker. >> i was testing his patience. >> there is a line you use about his parenting. and that is -- >> i love you. there's nothing you do to make me not love you. stop trying. that one? >> that one. >> i used that on our girls a lot. it's one of my favorite pieces of advice for parents. it says, just love your children. you know, and if you love them there's a good chance, better than even chance.

>> but when you came home and had been with one of your dad's friend and you knocked over the garbage can. he didn't yell at you? >> that's right. when you admire someone -- he earned my admiration over the years of being such a great father and i came in drunk. mother gave me a scolding. and then said you need to go see your father. i charged in the room and he's reading the book and he lowers the book and takes off the glasses and stares at me, glasses back on, book up. it was such a childish behavior it didn't deserve a word of his but his actions sent a clear message and i slunk out of the room. i felt terrible because i had -- you know, i did make an ass out of myself. >> it's very interesting because you kind of compare and contrast parenting today. i think the word helicopter

parent would accurately describe me. and that's different than the way you describe your dad. >> yeah. >> and just the fact he wouldn't talk to you is enough to change your behavior? >> well, but you is to earn that respect to begin with. it wasn't just happenstance. it was just that over the years, you know, he earned all our respect. and i'm sure -- my brothers were growing up, seven years older than jeb for starters, but i'm confident he hand held them the same way he handled me. >> he doesn't hug you or said he loved you and didn't need to. >> at the end of his life he's always saying i love you. and he really wanted to get you is he says i love you more than time can tell. >> you wrote that he said that

to you when robin was three years old and had leukemia. and they would go back and forth to new york. and you said no crying in front of dad i saw similarity. >> we're all from the same gene pool. you know, but you know, it was -- that had to have been a very tough period for them. and their marriage became stronger because they're two extraordinary people. and as i put in the book they went 3/4 of the way. i asked mother one time how is your marriage? i never seen mother and dad fight. >> ever? >> ever. >> yell, scream, holler. they needle each other in a friendly and loving way at times but never a harsh word. and i said how did this marriage happen and he said we both went 3/4 of the way. an interesting answer. they are willing to put themselves aside to make it work. >> as we continue on the campus

of a & m university the george bush presidential library. when we come back we'll talk about jeb and potential run for presidency. and talk about isis and the great influence of his father. influence of his father. >> dad had always been rhett sense to talk about himself. but he structure just the right tone. ime not be the most eloquent. >> but i learned early on that eloquence won't draw oil from the ground and ime sometimes be a little awkward but there's nothing self conscious in my life of country. i'm a quiet man but i hear the quiet people others don't, the ones who raise the family, pay the taxes, meet the mortgage and i hear them and i am moved.

and their concerns are mine. >> he built to his conclusion, i will keep america moving forward. >> always forward for a better america for an endless, enduring dream and a thousand points of light. this is my mission and i will complete it. >> the crowd exploded. laura, barbara and jenna poured on the stage for the balloon drop. george bush was beaming. i can't remember another speech that so perfectly captured the moment. dad moved seamlessly from vice president to a candidate in his own right. like many others who cared deeply for george bush, i was exuberant that night. you got the bargain kind? you would need like a bunch of those to clean this mess.

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[ gunfire ] dad first heard dad first heard about the shooting after air force 2 lifted off from ft. worth. he jotted his reacts on one of the flight cards. he thought about the president as his friend, decent, warm, kind. then he turned to his responsibility. he scribbled a reminder to avoid panic. he wrote the word uncertainty. he knew it would be important to project stability. >> i can reassure this nation and a watching world that the american government is functioning fully and effectively. >> and we continue at the george bush presidential library. as you can see behind me that is a big piece of the berlin wall.

we continue with george w. bush talking about his book "41: a portrait of my father". >> i was shocked to find out that your dad tried to set you up with tricia nixon. >> i was shocked he called me and asked me. i'm at moody air force base in georgia. you're not going to believe this, dad said. he wants me to have a date with tricia nixon. i was reluctant to do it at first and my pilot buddies started needling me. is he making it up? i'm going just to prove him wrong and i went upstairs and tricia was polite and lovely. i was a swash buckler and i spilled the wine on the oak table, fired up a lucky strike. it didn't work out well. >> i look at your dad and the one thing that struck me is all the things that he did.

he ran for congress, lost congress, became a congressman then was urged to run for senate, becomes a u.n. ambassador, head of the rnc when richard nixon had to resign. he wrote him a really fascinating letter the day before he resigned on august 7th. he resigned on august 8th saying for the good of the country and the presidency. he was there for watergate and there for the -- almost every big moment in the last two generations of history. >> yeah, he was. and, you know, it prepared him to be president. and he was a -- i tell people that george bush was the best one-term president we've ever had. nobody knows it. and this book is a way to start letting people understand why i say. that. >> we often hear the story on the day that president reagan was shot by hinckley.

and we hear what happened in the white house and hague said he was in charge. your dad they wanted him to land in the white house in a helicopter and he said no. and at the cabinet meeting he would not sit in the president's seat. what does that tell you about him? >> that's he's got a good perspective. and he knew hi job. and he wasn't going to try to change it. he was a humble man. he didn't need people to think he is something he wasn't. he's comfortable in his own skin. those decisions were never in doubt. i mean, there's no question in my mind he wasn't ever going to think -- >> and they became best of friends. >> they had a close friendship. they are both funny men. they are both -- they both love the country. and you know, it wasn't

necessari necessarily deemed that was going to be the case but they worked hard at it. president reagan was an easy guy to like. >> you would think when your dad is president you would have sought out his council and advice. you tell a story in the book where you said, if i would have asked him a policy question he would have asked to be briefed on it. but what he offered you was something different because he knew the pressures of the office. >> he offered me love and humor. he would call me and say, son, you did a great job. wonderful speech. it was uplifting to hear someone you admire and love to say that to you. he would send an e-mail into andy carter and josh bolton and read something funny from my dad. and, no, he -- there's a lot of

psycho babble about my relationship with my dad. this helps people understand it better. but people have trouble understanding that i wasn't on the phone constantly seek advice, what do you do? and one reason why is because he had made presidential decisions and he knows how important it is to be fully briefed by people who have studied the issue. and so he would have said send your briefers down. >> you thought your father decided to leave a safe congressional seat to run for senate and you said maybe because his dad had been senator. >> could have been. >> prescott bush. >> that would leave the president -- >> there's no question -- here's the thing. there's no question that he paved the way for jeb and me by showing us that you can go into politics and not sacrifice that which is important, being a good husband or fatherhood. it's hard to tell the tug, the

tug and pull. i mean, look -- the first threshold question for my run for the presidency why do you run against ann richards. >> your mom wasn't -- >> she wasn't on board. >> of course. >> seems to be repeating herself these days. >> when we come back we continue from the george bush presidential library on the campus of a & m university and when we come back we talk about isis, jeb bush maybe running for president and much more on this special edition of "hannity."

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>> or ronald reagan when they lost eight seats in the senate in '86. sure they are. i don't -- that doesn't mean they dislike you. growing weary is different from approval or disapproval. but -- it's almost as if people say surely we tcan do better thn this guy? >> does that have a psychological impact? >> that's an interesting question. as far as i was concerned it -- you know, i was dealing with -- in those two years, primarily with how to win in iraq, and a financial meltdown. and it -- those decisions i made had nothing to do with whether people were looking forward to the next guy. >> one of the things that i

liked about the way you wrote the book is you talked about your dad's presidency, decisions he made and explained in similar circumstances one of them obviously had to do with iraq and you sent him a letter -- you gave the order to launch operation iraqi freedom. and you said to your dad i know i have taken the right action and do pray we won't lose life and you said iraq will be free, the world will be safer. the emotion of the moment is past and now i await word on the covert action that is taking place and i know what you went through and he wrote back, your note just received. touching words. i love you more than time can tell. >> did you dismantle my book? >> i do that a lot.

>> that will double sales. >> i just bought two. >> but this is typical of george bush. it's a sweet letter that he -- that evokes emotion. he encourages emotion. and he's a great letter writer and he took time to write it and meant a lot to me. >> those are the toughest decisions of a presidency. >> no question. if you're in, you have to go all in. >> 4,000 americans lost their lives in iraq and 23 lost their lives in the kuwait conflict that your dad had pursued. every one of those cities that we watched being conquered, are mall la, fallujah, they have all

been taken over by isis. when you think about the 4,000 americans what does it mean to you? >> it means that -- it means that we better achieve the goal of degrade and defeat isis which is the president's stated goal. >> can you do that with 1500 troops? >> that's what we're about to find out? it's going to be -- the key thing is that we achieved a goal and a just the strategy to meet the goal. >> meaning the surge? >> yeah. >> so the surge worked and the cities were conquered and the war was won and the cities end up in the hands of isis. if i'm a parent of one of the 4,000 that lost their son what am i thinking? >> i hope they are proud of their son's service or daughter's service on veterans day. i hope when they read my books they realize that the decisions i made was aimed to keep america safe in a post-9/11 environment

and i hope they understand that the decisions i made were to secure a victory so no sacrifice would be in vain. i hope realize that this is a long struggle. this is a long struggle. >> you made comments in 2007, though. and you said very clearly they've now been played a lot. if we are not wise and if we leave too early, we will be facing a worse enemy. >> i did say that. >> you turned out the be 100% accurately. >> sadly. >> you wish you were wrong? >> i do. >> when we come back we'll walk through the presidential library with president 41 and 43 as this special edition of "hannity" continues. three days after the september 11th attacks, laura

and i attended a church service at the national cathedral. former presidents clinton, carter and ford were there along with supreme court justices and most important to me, laura and my parents. >> our response to history is already clear to answer these attacks and rid the world of evil. delivering that speech without breaking down was challenging. many people in the cathedral had tears on their cheeks. my strategy was not to look at laura or my parents because i knew that would push me over the edge. fortunate fortunately i made it back to my pew. when i returned my dad squeezed my arm. my emotions were raw and his gesture brought me courage and strength.

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you go when you go through this, how do you feel? >> really nice. family. my mother and dad. >> i love the picture of you and babe ruth. that is pretty exciting. >> yeah. >> and at ' -- '60 you got a base hit. >> you know who was pitching? >> yes. >> more impressive was the play he made at first base. >> my favorite place in the world. >> a great picture. >> every person i ever talked to that was on the boat with you says you drive 100 miles an hour. is that true? >> not quite. >> still. >> he goes fast. >> you still like to drive it? >> oh, yeah. >> as we continue at the george bush presidential library more of my interview with george bush 43 about his book "41: a

portrait of my father." >> let's talk about your brother, jeb. >> i've heard of him. >> your father was concerned about your brother? >> typical of george h.w. bush. he cares deeply for people who are -- one reason he was a great diplomat is he can think about the other person. and so jeb had lost. they're in florida and i called over there to say i was getting ready for the victory statement. he was like, good going, son but he was worried about jeb which i -- that's why i -- we all love him so much. people try to make something out of that. my attitude is, wow, what a father. what a father. >> and that goes back to the love story. so there's only been two sons of

presidents that went on to the presidency. you made history. >> correct. >> there's never been a case where a second brother has become president. >> that's true. >> you said it's a 50/50 chance. >> correct. >> you're always outspoken mom. you were joking about it earlier in a speech. you said maybe there's been enough of the bushes. you don't agree? >> i do not agree. one way to look at it, something i said in a speech the other day, you know, jeb's -- nobody likes a political class in america. i mean, we're a nation that is more egalitarian than that. so the idea of bush, clinton, bush, obama, bush sticks in people's craws, and mother's. but you have to look at it, how

about, bush, clinton, bush, obama, clinton? it's going to be -- it isn't perfect. and so that's not a reason for jeb to run -- or not to run. jeb knows what it's like. >> he's watched it up close. >> twice. >> and you talk about being on the campaign trail with your dad and the hard times, the good times, the re-election which was -- 1992 was really hard for you. >> very hard for all of us. >> and then you describe how you appointed former president clinton and your dad and they became the best of friends. >> they became good friends. which speaks volumes about both. >> what about that jeb bush and hillary clinton showdown. >> bill and i will have interesting things to talk about. i'll still like him when jeb beats hillary. >> you betting on that?

>> if jeb runs. i don't know if he's going to run. i really don't. i hope he does because he would be a great president. but he's weighing it out. he's going to take a deliberate decision. and the idea of being a second -- you know, one of two brothers and being president is not going to weigh in his decision. it's not important to him. what's important to him is, you know, as he said publicly. he's going to make sure it's okay with his family. >> you talk about an afterlife, life after the presidency. >> right. >> i think you said you go from 100 miles an hour to 5 miles an hour. talk about that being really, really hard. >> well -- >> you said it was even hard for you. >> i wouldn't say really, really hard. i would say it's an interesting adjustment. and there's a certain level of -- it is kind of a despondency that sets in when you're not going 100 miles an hour. it's an abrupt change in your

life. that's why writing a book was important to me. and laura and i working at the library at smu is important to me. >> you stay busy? >> i do. >> i saw you with the students here at the college today. you seem to enjoy the give and take. >> i do. i tell people that you know, when i go give a speech for them. i say my area of expertise is what is it like to be president. >> why did you make a decision -- i could get you to comment on president obama and i'm not going to get anywhere. >> correct. >> i know you very well. >> yes, you do. >> why did you make that decision? i'm sure you have a lot to say. you're -- we've talked politics. you're very engaged and aware what is going on. >> i'm very aware. i don't think it's good to have a former president undermine a current president. i think it's bad for the presidency for that matter. secondly, i really have had all the fame i really want.

and now i'm trying to be famous on your show to show this great book. but, i really don't long for -- and for me to generate pluublicy i have to attack the presidency or the president, and i don't want to do that. >> when you brought in the final days of your presidency you brought all the former presidents in and you said that president obama was very deaf residenti -- deferential to your dad. i know he called you about bin laden. does he call you on any other points or reach out to your dad? >> i'm not sure. but president obama is very unpopular in texas. he comes to texas and dad is at the foot of the stairs to meet him in his wheelchair.

and you know -- >> you write about that. >> typical of41. >> you wouldn't do it? >> that's a good question. i haven't yet so far. thank you for bringing that up, by the way. >> i'm asking if you would. >> i know, but you didn't have to mention it. >> when you think back throughout the history that you -- throughout your presidency -- and obviously the iraq conflict, the battle against the post 9/11 world, a very different world. >> that's important for people to know. >> and you think about the fall of the berlin wall. i think he went through four soviet leaders at the time? >> correct. >> which is amazing. and all the other history -- >> he went through four as vice president and president. >> right. >> had a great relationship. he was criticized for not want to stick it to gorbachev and when asked to go to the berlin wall, he said no.

>> he did. he understood that in public service it's not important to talk about yourself and promote yourself, it's important to achieve results and he knew that if he incited hard liners inside the old soviet, gorbachev would be -- would be making -- make it much harder for gorbachev to make the decisions for the democracy to peel off and for the wall to come down. >> what is the one thing after i read the book cover to cover, what do you want people to take away from this love story that you have for your dad who became a leader in -- at a moment in the history that i don't think we could duplicate? >> i want them to know that the nation was very fortunate to have a man of george bush's character as they leader. and i want them to know that those of us who know him are pretty fortunate to call him dad and friend.

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after the swearing in, and the traditional inaugural parade i went to the oval office for the first time as president. dad had gone to the residence to warm up from the parade. after a few minutes the door swung open and he walked in. we spent a few minutes together just soaking in the moment. after eight years i would have memorable moments in the oval office. none compared to the oval office with my dad on the first day. >> do you miss the oval office? >> no. eight years is plenty. i enjoyed it. i love the action and the team around me. i miss a lot of the people i serve with. i am in touch with conde and andy and dana. and carl.

>> absolutely. >> and you know, i see marty spelling is running the deal in dallas, the bush institute and if i stay in touch. but i really don't miss the day-to-day. i really -- you know, i just -- you know, it's one of these things where i gave it my all. and that's all you can do. >> and you have a sense that history is going to judge everybody fairly. >> i do. it's hard to tell it right now. >> sure. >> you know, it's impossible for a historian to live through a person's period first hand to be objective. historian's going to have prejudices about the decisions made for or against. it's going to be hard to accurately record that and there needs to be time for the decision to show its worth or not. >> how surreal is it -- you're the son of a president you have been in the oval office, first

time in the white house, you're there to meet tricia nixon and you get that office and your dad is in there with you. that's a great moment, right? >> it's a touching moment. i'm not that poetic to describe what i felt like. i can just tell you that it was serene and very sweet. >> you know what's so hard for me to understand, when you talk about not -- your dad didn't want to give you advice everyday. he might give you an opinion on somebody that he might hire but the other support that he gave you was only something somebody in that job could offer. >> exactly. that's one of the things that makes this book unique is that you have a father comforting a son but what makes this comfort even more profound is that he had been president himself so he knows what you're going through. i knew what he was going through too however.

i would agonize over what people would say about me and agonize over the criticism. i would call him and say, look i'm doing fine. >> it really didn't bother you? >> you didn't read a lot of it. >> i didn't pay that much attention to it. >> you know what bothered me was the harsh rhetoric that has gotten harsher. what has bothered me is that i don't want people to get turned off to our system. it's the fairest system by far. the idea of people saying why would i want to be involved in that, troubles me. >> age of the internet, blogs, commentary -- i'm part to blame. it's harsher than it has ever been. >> yeah. it has changed. you know, hopefully good people will still run. hopefully this book sends a message that you can be a good person with good values and you don't have to sacrifice those in order to serve your country. >> how do you explain -- you talked about your dad's loss in 1992 and you talked about the conditions that weren't working in his favor and weinberger just

got indicted and the economy slowed a little bit so that was a big blow to you too. you're in eight years. obama has been in six. we just had a midterm like we've had. through the prism of historically being in politics so long how do you explain the country plmoving back and forth? >> it's good. >> why? >> because it means change is possible. i didn't think 2006 was all that great but nevertheless, it was a indication that democracy was functioning. the people are pretty prize. not pretty wise -- wise. >> uh-huh. >> if you take them for granted or if you don't -- you know, if you don't listen to the kind of rumblings, they let you know their feelings in the polls. >> but think about that. you had a very different ideology for example president

reagan was so different from jimmy carter. clinton was so different from your dad. obama is so different from you. now the country seems to be swinging back. do you think that's good? >> yeah. i think it reflects the fact that people get to have a profound say in their government. in the direction of their government. it stands in a stark contrast to parts of the world where people don't have a say in their government and not only that it promotes radicalism and enables thugs to recruit like isis. >> is that still the biggest threat we face today. >> yeah. >> bigger than we know? >> well, the problem is that it's hard to tell how big it is because you don't know. certainly, you know people say al qaeda was a threat prior to 9/11. you don't know how big a threat. my worry after 9/11 was a chemical, biological or dirty

bomb in the hands of these people. >> these people are possibly more vicious than al qaeda. >> well, remember al qaeda slit -- throats. it's hard to argue the level of viciousness but the evil is what it is. the point is that they will kill again. so we've got to succeed. >> when we come back on this special edition of hannity, there's only been two presidents that have witnessed their own sons to be president themselves. some final reflections from the bush presidential museum as this special edition of hannity continues. people with type 2 diabetes

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is that possible? well, anyways as i hawk through the museum with both president herber walker bush and george w. bush. i think it's something that they want to see. the question is is it something you want to see. >> coming up on "red eye" just how difficult is it to find a needle in a hey stack? meet one slacker who had the tame to waste and the guts to find out. and what is wrong with the leather chaps the president got joe biden for his birthday? >> they don't fit. in washington it is not meant as a compliment. it means you are not sophisticated. >> and did lou daabs just invent skiing's next maneuver. the world's most electrifing newsman on how he pulled off the high five. none of these stories on "red eye" tonight. >> daabs. let's welcome our other guests. we've got champagne taste on a beer budget. so she has to steal things. poor thing. i