>> heather and i will see you back here in an hour. "outnumbered" starts right now. >> fox news alert. we're live in ferguson, missouri where we expect to hear from michael brown's family at any moment. this is the first time they've spoken publicly since a grand jury declined to indict police officer darrell wilson in the shooting death of their son. here with us today -- hashtag one lucky guy, former senator from massachusetts, scott brown and we welcome him back to the fox news family as a contributor but we remind the senator that today's outnumbered for the

first time. welcome. >> i'm outnumbered at home. i might as well be outnumbered here as well. >> your dogs are neutral. >> don't tell them that. >> we have your lovely wife in the studio as well so we'll get right to the news. good to have you here. while the streets of rage in ferguson, angry crowds looting, torching scores of businesses and causing general mayhem after word came there would be no indictment of officer wilson. more than 80 people in ferguson and st. louis areas under arrest and our own mike tobin was there when all of this went down. he joins us from ferguson. mike? >> andrea, last night we watched people crowd around car stereos and smart phones, in front of the police department, listening to bob as he announced the return. when they heard the news no indictment, they stopped listening to the rest of the facts. we saw people peal off in every

direction. concentration of people stayed in front of the police department there and had some clashes with police but it really seems to be those people who went off running in every direction, they joined the crowds over where i am now. it was 360 degrees of mayhem. windows were smashed out. just about every building, every business sustained some damage. just about everyone was burning in some -- to some extent. many were just entirely engulfed in flames. fire department either feeling too much risk or were just simply overwhelmed by too many fires, wasn't anywhere to be seen. a lot of gun fire out there. in the end, the number of people who were arrested was relatively small according to county police, they arrested 61 people. most of them local. and i want to bring you out live now as you can see the aftermath. we start talking about the aftermath. captain ron johnson of the state police says the burned out buildings like this as we look down the avenue here, you can

see the smoke still rising. all of the destruction back there. he said now because of the 61 people they've arrested, most of them were local. the local community needs to own what happened here. andrea? >> all right, mike. thank you so much. all right. senator brown, your thoughts, of course, the evidence being released today, a grand jury coming back saying not enough to indict on this. how does this scene of destruction, the riots, how does this help ferguson? >> i don't think it does. it's tragic when there's any loss of life and i know that the brown family are going to be dealing with this forever. he'll never come back. their son will never come back. that being said, i think they've really risen above it all and have said, listen. we need calm. we need -- we don't want our son's death to be in vain and i think that's a very positive message. unfortunately, the people of ferguson and some of the instigators did not listen. i look at this as an opportunity to hopefully bring the sides together to find some type of common ground to make

improvements with the police and the relations with the community. and to allow others to become active. we are a society that allows for protests, peaceful protests and also a nation of laws. that being said, when the laws are broken, they need to be -- obviously people need to pay the price. >> harris, cops have been under a lot of pressure. they've been under pressure from the administration and i've heard on networks this morning, people are saying where were the cops last night? >> the police officers were there. there was a great deal of presence there, also with national guard. i want like to publicly say thank you for the restraint that the officers and those on the streets tasked with keeping the crowds back because you know what? it must take a lot. from the video we're seeing, we're seeing people get hit in the head with rocks. this is not how you change things. as after after reign ak american and i look at the scene and understand that change needs to come and i know the makeup of ferguson, missouri because i was on the air in kansas city for

more than eight years. i get it. but this isn't how you do t. where are the black leaders, by the way, the celebrity type leaders who said that we're going to be there with ferguson after the indictment does or does not happen? where are those people today? >> and yeah. and kennedy, that's what juan williams said. >> juan williams, i thought, summed it up really nicely. i looked at this last night and i live through the 1992 riots as a lot of people did and i realized that a lot of these young people out there protesting and the agitators with the violent acts, they have no memory of this. however, you can't destroy your own communities. if you look at los angeles, if you look at rebuild l.a., 22 years later, these businesses are still reeling from the devastation from the destruction. they rioted on my street. they pulled my 7-eleven guy out of the store along with the atm, they fire bombed the car on my

street and it's heartbreaking because this is not how you go about real change and there are people who are hurting but this is the worst resort. >> and this burns jobs in the process, too. store owners are hurting. people who work there can't go there. schools are shut down. >> what was heartbreaking for me was seeing so many young people. it starts at the family level, dinner tables, conversations between parents and kids that lets them know no matter what you take issue with in society, no matter what you find unjust, this is not how you go about bringing about change. i think these communities need to be reformed and i think it goes beyond african-american leaders and beyond speech that the president can give. i think it has to start at the dinner table, start at the really basic home level to bring about that kind of change. >> last night it made for a very jarring image when president obama spoke to the nation after the grand jury's decision. millions of americans watched scenes of the violence and the chaos on the streets of ferguson

on the split screen as the president urged calm and he appeared to be walking a very fine line as he expressed sympathy for the protestors when he said this. >> i need you to recognize the situation in ferguson speaks to broader challenges that we still face as a nation. the fact is, in too many parts of this country, a deep distrust exists between law enforcement and communities of color. some of this is the result of the legacy of racial discrimination in this country. >> the story drawing international coverage with one british newspaper, the guardian, saying the racially charged shooting in ferguson presented a problem for the nation's first black president from the start. the paper writing, quote, obama's early and at times emotional intervention in the national debate that followed the killing of trayvon martin was blamed by many critics foreign flaming racial tensions and the white house had strained to avoid similar intervention with ferguson but he's also

struggled to make clear that his sympathy also lies with many demonstrators in the city who feel that the police are not always on their side. and senator brown, i have to say, i mean, the president interjects in local issues and at times seemed made it worse. watching the side by side of the president talking last night, i don't know if he's so irrelevant that people aren't listening or he's making it worse because his comments really were on the one hand peaceful protests but on the other hand, he didn't help when it came to enflaming racial tensions. >> he's in a tough place. he's the president, the leader of the country. people still do look to him for guidance. you know of my differences with the president. the fact that he was there in a calming effort, it would have been nice if he would have come out a little earlier to let people know regardless of the decision, this is how we're going to protest. peaceful protests, let people know how you're thinking and what your thoughts are but do it without tearing apart the community, without looting and destroying buildings to see those -- we all saw them, what

was happening. you saw people disregarding the rule of law. disregarding their own citizens, their friends potentially, the people they shopped at their stores every day. they disregarded that, went out and ripped their businesses and their lives apart. there's a larger problem. we have a black president. we have black supreme court justices, massachusetts black governor. we've made amazing strides. we can always do better but it's not going to be done by dividing us. >> from the start, harris, he came out initial this will summer, came off the golf course, president obama when he weighed in on ferguson and he did put blame on the cops. he was lecturing the police officers and i brought up earlier, people are saying this morning, where are the cops? the cops have been yelled at and scolded by this administration a number of times so they're in a pretty precarious position. wouldn't you say? >> i agree with you, senator, though. the president is really in a no win situation. he's one of the most polarizing,

politically polarizing figures in american history so he was going to have a difficult time bringing people together anyway which is one of the reasons you've seen him weigh in less and less on my opinion on issues like this and do so less emotionally. however, last week he said, quote, i want to make sure police are trained so they can distinguish between gang banger and a kid who just happens to be wearing a hoody but otherwise is a good kid and not doing anything wrong. michael brown was not wearing a hoody. he was wearing a distinctive red ball cap. he is on video putting his hands on a store owner. we need the truth. we need to be honest with each other before we can bring about change. the truth. and if we're not getting it from the president, from whom will it come? >> may i add that the grand jury, their role is to determine what the facts r. they did that. 12 people who had nothing to gain. actually, the pressure was on them to indict and to do something but in fact, they did the right thing. they took all the evidence and now that eric holder is reviewing this matter again, he

still has to deal with the facts. >> you're right. the easiest thing for them to do living in the community would have been to deliver at least an involunteer manslaughter indictment and they didn't do that. that says a lot about the evidence and the process and there were those of us who were quick to rush to judgment in the early days but i have to tell you, what happened last night, i'm now looking to the future, to today examine -- and beyond. we've seen in other cities, it can escalate, get worse and worse and worse but also get better and hopefully today we'll find that turning point. >> who will that people be? who will the people be that will say the right thing? will it be the people inciting some of this? >> very quickly, it's very disappointing because the narrative we heard from other news networks about what went down in ferguson was very different if you look at the evidence that the grand jury released this morning. i encourage everyone to read it. get ready for a showdown. obamacare architect jonathan

gruber agreeing to testify in two weeks. also the president taking advantage of congress being on thanksgiving break, heading to chicago to pitch his executive actions on immigration as some wonder why the g.o.p. seems reluctant to take him on so aggressively. and right after the show, catch more from the couch on the web for "outnumbered overtime." if you've never done it before, it's very easy. fox news.com/outnumbered. quick the overtime tab. tell us what you want us to talk about. i have a cold

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public insurance there would see their premiums spike by an average of 41%. just one year later, president obama campaigned on a promise that premiums could decrease under his health care legislation. those are two opposites and we know in our mind's eye that can't actually be happening. two things that are opposing and factual. you have so much experience because when you ran in state of massachusetts and won as a senator there, obamacare was just starting to walk. >> and i told people, listen. the president said you can keep your doctor, your health care plan, your care provider that you loved and you're going to get a check for $2,500. guess what? none of that has happened. they continue, they double, they triple down. a website that costs over $2 billion to put out, it's still faulty. just a complete misrepresentation by mr. gruber. he's m.i.t. my grandfather graduated from m.i.t. they also have an ethics department there when you have professors like this who are, i think, consciously misleading

the american people, taking $6 million plus and perpetuating that fraud. i would ask the president of m.i.t. do an immediate review of his ethical performance. he's teaching young people how to mislead congress and how to, i think, really sell a bill of goods that wasn't good. >> use the university to sell the bag of goods. if you were on capitol hill, what would you want to hear from gruber? how would you want to see him gruberred? >> he needs to come out and tell exactly what he knows with regard to the working with the government and the president in particular and his team, what was fact and what was fiction. we know now that really, nothing that's been said about the health care bill is actually true. and they -- if you notice, the business mandate is coming in after the election. what does that mean? you talk about jobs and job creation. right now you have this amazing

wet blanket on businesses and individuals. they're not going past 50. since when is a work hour week like 29 hours? let's get back to reality here. let's take off the wet blanket and allow the economy to move forward and start chugging along. >> when you get fired up, your massachusetts accent comes out. >> you look at romney care and gruber was the architect of romney care which was the basis for obamacare. you didn't need gruber and his study to say that premiums could go up when you have a number of sick people signing up and not enough healthy people just like we saw with romney care in massachusetts. premiums starting to through the roof. >> what do you think is going to happen? >> in massachusetts, you didn't have 18 new taxes. you didn't cut 3/4 trillion dollars from our seniors at medicare. it was done without raising taxes and it raised 198-2. the federal bill was ramped through and when i was there, they had a chance to fix it. keep your doctor, keep your

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i think we might learn a lot on december 9. after watching ferguson, missouri burn literally as they were setting fires, children in some local schools were given the basics in protesting before the grand jury's decision came down but is this the right lesson to teach those kids? and could it actually cause more problems in their community snz plus new fallout over the defense secretary hagel being forced out the door. how his calling it as he sees it may have rubbed the obama administration the wrong way.

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>> welcome back to "outnumbered." this may make you wonder about what schools are teaching our children as we watch angry crowds burn and loot businesses in ferguson. missouri democratic state senator who also happens to be a school board member, both saying her district had taken steps to prepare students to protest the grand jury decision. this on the heels of ivy league students at the university of pennsylvania. they're holding a ceremonial funeral for michael brown and all, quote, black and brown bodies killed by racist police officers and capitalism. how specific. just yesterday we reported on the new york city high school that invited rights activists to

coach kids telling them when stopped by police, they don't have to concede to searchs. it's all well and good. i'm all for people knowing their rights, absolutely. you should know if you've got a law enforcement officer who oversteps his or her bounds, you should absolutely know your rights if someone has pulled you over or you're in the middle of a stop but some of this is getting pretty dramatic and don't you think they should also invite law enforcement officers into those schools to sort of balance out the discussion? >> yeah. you have dare officers in schools so if they can talk to kids about drugs, they can talk about fostering positive relationships with those who are tasked with serving and protecting the community. absolutely. but what i think this does, and this is what really kind of complicates matters, is it puts people on the opposite side of authority and tells them that authority is worth thwarting more than it is worth understanding. >> and that's problematic because as we saw last night, i

mean, it's easy to scoop kids up in all of this. they're not in school in ferguson right now. they're available for the problems that are happening outside their door and because they don't have that relationship with the cops, you know what? it just seems like a good idea to join the other side. so yeah, the police officer should definitely be in the classrooms while these conversations are going on but i agree, this starts at home. if you teach your kids that authority is something to respect no matter what, at least that is the basis of the conversation. i'm not saying that problems don't exist there. again, i know the racial makeup of ferguson and i know the hard feelings that exist and that's reality. but at the same time, if we're going to go forward, then we have to talk to each other like human beings and that means that everybody. >> it's not just police and how they inter face with the people that they are charged with keeping safe. it's also how you interact with police officers and i think that adding emotionalism to this discussion, especially with younger people, can right now be

counter productive. >> not all schools have the dare program. it's a great program, one that supported and would continue to support but it is a give and take situation. to think that we're not going to allow protests is obviously not the american way. we allow peaceful protests all the time. that being said, we don't show up with gas masks and bats. when you do that, then you can single out people that are there to peacefully protest and those there to be agitators. >> perhaps that's a reason they announced it at night so they would know the people assembling the streets were going to protest or agitate. you had a concentration of people not caught in the cross fire. >> if you know the decision coming out, the reason they're on the street, many folks, is to cause trouble. i think that was evidence by the fact when the decision was read, people dispersed to various parts of the city. that being said, i would question i think we'll have that debate. was it appropriate to release this decision at night? should they have waited until

the morning? i think the reason they waited was to have other parts of country let it know what was happening. this wasn't going to be just a ferguson situation. gale and i came out of mo town last night to see the show. we go to times square. you felt the heating up and saw what happened here. it's all over. so it's kind of -- it's tough to be a monday morning quarterback as to why we didn't or did do something but -- >> do you disagree with the decision to have the decision come down so late at night? >> probably wasn't the best move. i know that they were trying to be sensitive and they were trying to be careful and they were trying to be findful of things but again, if you're there and there is a crowd that profits off division, professional protestors like this group that you mentioned going into schools, the new york civil liberties union coaching kids, if you look at the history of the organization, they're known to do this type of thing. we're hearing from reporters that people were being bussed into ferguson doing just that and a lot of people on the

streets didn't want the violent protests. they had enough havoc come to their community and so they were profoundly disappointed but if you're there just to insight violence, you're going to do it, kennedy, whether it's that night or wait until the next opportunity when the sun is up. >> there is a difference. i was in seattle for the riots and they were there protesting the wto, hoping to shut the meetings down. in ferguson, you have people coming from outside destroying businesses. >> that was horrific for me to watch. the most horrible images for me were watching windows broken. these business owners that now right before christmas have to go in there and somehow rebuild their livelihoods, why? because people didn't learn properly this isn't how you object to policy. i want to talk about with respect to the teachers and what they do, teachers in classrooms, whether you ever civil liberties unions coming in, it doesn't

matter. these teachers comment on everything. nothing happens current events wise that teachers don't walk into a classroom and somehow on some level indoctrinate those students with respect to it. you don't need some advocacy group coming in at this level. it's happening every single day and i guarantee you in schools around this country, with respect to elections, with respect to ferguson, no matter what's happening, those teachers wa into the classroom and they want -- >> they feel it's a moral obligation. >> they do. it's indoctrination and brainwashing. >> if someone disagrees with that -- >> a police officer comes in. when i was younger, they gave training on the dare program. >> firefighters came in. >> of course. >> we're ahead of a holiday this week so it's not likely they're going to reopen schools tomorrow ahead of thanksgiving. why did they have to do that? why not give the kids one best

place to be, safe and sound, away from the craziness that's going on? so by the way, these parents can go to work if some of them can actually get to their jobs. >> there's going to be a lot of questions asked as to what we could have, should have done. unfortunately, here we are and question is, where do we go from here? do we use it as a teaching moment, an ability to come forward and move together as a city and a country or continue to be divided? >> this is a pivotal moment. we can do that. we can do that right now. we can utilize this moment and i was hoping last night that the cold weather and the fact that this situation had months -- >> it could make a difference. >> i'm hoping all the people we look up to, all the professional athletes, hollywood folks, outspoken media personalities say, hey, guys, listen. we're america. we live in the greatest country in the world. we need to come together as a cannotry, as a nation. the world is watching us. it's crickets. >> department much justice has a civil investigation into ferguson so my question is now,

what does eric holder do? is there pressure on the d.o.j. to bring civil charges? those are very hard charges to prove but i am just focused on this administration because i don't think the president is on the one hand, on the other hand comments helped last night. i think it further dwoids the country and i think this news cycle, divided on immigration reform, race and issues of ethnicity, it's not helping and a lot of people, if you read facebook and twitter, they said this is where the president wants us. divided, sdraked and not focused on -- >> unfortunately, you know -- fortunately the attorney general has to create new set of facts. i think it's appropriate for him to go through the process that i think will bring additional closure but he can't change the facts. >> we will talk more about this, i'm certain of that. breaking news we'll get to now. you're looking at benjamin crump. we've seen his face throughout all of this. he's the family attorney for

michael brown's family. we do know they're at the news conference as well. this is at the greater saint mark's missionary baptist church in st. louis. a news conference. let's watch. >> i've been told that if you continue to do the same thing over and over and over again and expect a different result, that's the definition and we are not insane. we know that our children deserve equal justice just as any american and we want the prosecutors, if they have a conflict of interest, and for the sake of the public trust, which is so critical, to ferguson and many communities all over america, president brooks, we pray that prosecutors will say, we want people to

believe in the system and if that means appointing a special prosecutor who has no relationship with the accused officers that you do so. the legacy of michael brown, junior should be one not where we just make a lot of noise, mr. brown. that wouldn't be the proper legacy to your son. the legacy to michael brown, junior should be that instead of just striving to make a lot of noise, we strive to make a difference. and that difference will be changing this system where the police who are supposed to protect and serve us continue to care for our members and our community and we have to really address this issue as one that what scenario could we offer where they finally indict police officers for killing us? isn't that the real question?

so as we make ready to hear from the attorney and then from reverend al and mr. brown will be present before you, we beg you all again that we know it's frustrating and we know that it's painful. it's painful to any parent, especially parents of young people of color because we worry about our children every day. i mean, every day when we hear they have an encounter with the police, reverend al, our heart just stops. and it shouldn't be like that. we should be able to expect the police to treat our children just like they treat any other children in any other community. so to hopefully really address

this issue,e, we want the propol for the michael brown law, that is the proposal that every police officer in every american city have a video body camera so it will be transparent and we won't have to play this game of witnesses' memories and secret grand jury proceedings. it will just be transparent and we can see it for ourselves. and we can hold people accountable when they have inactions with citizens because this system is so unfair to the citizens and we're all american citizens. and we ask that everybody, not just the entire st. louis community, but all of america join us in demanding change, making a difference for the lives of our children and for the sake of our communities and especially for michael brown, junior who is crying out from

the grave with so many thousands of other people of color who have been killed by police and you all have to change this system. >> i'll be very brief. i just want to remind everybody present as attorney crump so eloquently pointed out, we said from the very beginning that the decision of this grand jury is going to be the direct reflection of the presentation of evidence by the prosecutor's office. if they present evidence to indict, there would have been an indictment. if they don't present the evidence in a manner to secure an indictment, then there won't be an indictment. so this grand jury decision, we feel, is a direct reflection of the sentiments of those that presented the evidence.

we appreciate the data, though. we appreciate the fact that we got a chance to hear or read all of the testimony. we saw what was presented but we didn't hear how it was presented. we didn't get a chance to hear the inflexions in the voices and the cynicism and the sarcasm and some of the questions that i read just jumped off the pages at you so it's all in the presentation of evidence and i don't want anybody to be misled in any other way. i would also caution all those in the media that we still have an ongoing investigation. i'm not going to comment on very much of the evidence at all. i'm just going to ask that you have transcripts, read them for yourselves. as i read the testimony of one person, officer darren wilson, he indicted himself. most of what he said didn't line up with the physical evidence. you read it for yourself.

you have it. it's right there in front of your face. and you know there's an old addage some people said if you really want to hide something, hide an inflamed view. it's right there for us to see. i'm just going to encourage the ongoing investigators to continue to do what they have to do and we'll hold out hope that subsequent investigations would produce a result that reflects the way that evidence looks. i would only say to you that over 50 witnesses and only four to five of them are relevant. what was the other 55 for? if you already know going into it that a person didn't see the event, they already told you that. why would you present them in front of the grand jury? what's the point? so it is things like that that raises all kinds of red flags for us in this process.

we're going to hold out hope that some point, justice will be served and we will at least have a presentation of evidence that is fair and impartial and then we would allow the chips to fall where they may. without any further ado, i bring to you, mr. al sharpton. [applause] >> all right. we're watching the situation in st. louis, missouri at the saint mark's baptist church. we're fully anticipating the parents of michael brown to step to the microphone. you heard from anthony gray just there and previously benjamin crump, attorneys for the family. when we get to the family, we'll bring it to you. stay close. there's more to come. people with type 2 diabetes

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happens at this news conference in st. louis, missouri, following the announcement by the grand jury last night and all that's happened overnight, we will go right to the news conference as soon as michael brown's family steps to the microphones. for now let's bring it back to the couch. you know, senator, you've run 12 campaigns you just told us. i didn't realize it was that mean -- many. there are six seats opening in the council in missouri. some in the black community of ferguson are saying, well, which candidates will be put up and all of that. talk to me about changing the future through people voting. >> and we talked about that earlier. you have the open seats. why are they open? people checked out of the political process because they're so fed up with what they see now, the divisiveness, the ability they don't think that they can do anything to make change. i would encourage good people of ferguson who care deeply about their community to get involved, take their name, put it on the ballot and run.

and run for unification. try to find a way to heal. it's very easy to go and be divisive. the hard part is unifying and trying to take this tragedy -- it's tragic for everybody, for the business owners, citizens of ferguson, for the family, for the officer and his family so where do we go from here? i'm a half full, gls half full guy. where do we go from here? >> you broke ground in massachusetts where president obama injected himself in massachusetts in a race issue. i wanted to get your thought how that compares. >> obviously i think it's a little different here. you can see -- >> far more tragic, of course, the loss of life. >> but the fact the president stepped into it and said oh, we're going to have a beer. everything will be okay. people kind of see through that and that starts that lack of trust between the american people and this administration and the president in particular, whether you're talking about obamacare, fast and furious, i.r.s. standal, drawing a red line in the sand and doing

nothing. it's a continuous chipping away at that relationship between the american people and that trust level which is so important when you're the leader of the greatest country of the world and it's non existent. >> the problem is those most polarizing get all the attention. they rev everybody up and the people that try to bring everybody together and try to come in the middle and maybe usher in compromise, they're the ones that always get a bad wrap. how do we fix that? >> you have scott walker. you have people come in and focus on single issues and that's what the to do in ferguson. we're talking about rebuild l.a. at the beginning of the show and their mission was so vast, they almost got nothing done. and in ferguson, you have to have city council people that will only take one issue at a time. >> you asked the question, would you cover that? and how complicity the media may be in fuelling some of what we've seen. you said are they perpetrating the narrative out there? and i said, hmmm, i wonder if some of them aren't making it up. i mean, seriously.

it's not helped. >> are you going to cover somebody who is doing great work and working hard? >> i do. many of us do. >> are you going to cover somebody out there instigating and throwing those remarks out there and firing up the crowd? that's a question we need to talk about. >> but where are the repercussions for their actions? and i'm talking about what harris just mentioned, that narrative. the false narrative we heard all summer long, that we heard for weeks on other news networks, from people who are on news networks, the evidence came out today. it was a completely different set of facts than people were perpetrating on tv which was wreckless and how do you put that genie back in the bottle? >> you don't. >> i'm sorry. you have to get the people in charge to say, listen. they'll put you on a leave of absence. don't do it again. >> there are certain networks that should a pole goiz to the country. >> part of it was, i don't think law enforcement did the best job of making it seem like they weren't covering up a bunch of stuff. if the truth is on your side, in

the very beginning, they had a series of missteps that were almost impossible to recover from. >> it was such -- i believe that they thought it was going to be such a big case, obviously it turned out to be that way. they had to do certain things. they could not, know, go out and talk about it. they had to protect the evidence, do the reconstruction of the scene. you had to protect everything because they knew, i think, this was going to happen because it's a black/white situation. a police officer and a young black man. >> can i ask you a question, kennedy? and i don't want to make too light of this but it's true. you've been and seen more rioting than most people i've seen in my lifetime because of where you lived. seattle and los angeles. what happens in the days after? like how long does it take to get to the point -- and i lived in l.a., too, but i didn't live as closely that you do to what was going on in the rioting but what does it take to get it to go down? you mentioned the weather. 26 degrees didn't get it to cool down. >> that's one of the things. naively i thought the people wouldn't spend as much time

outside but when you get your adrenaline going, it's amazing what the body is capable of doing. but there's so much mistrust and it's like a flood receding. all of a sudden, you see the floor of your basement but your belongings are wrecked. there's still mud on the walls. and it takes a long, long time to really clean that out before it feels right and there's so much mistrust but the point is, they have the choice to make sure the flood waters recede before they get so much worse. and they need rapid healing right now. they need responsible people. they don't need people up there saying, well, you know, it's a mt character of justice because of the way the evidence was presented. that's not helping anybody today. >> robert, after he made the announcement last night, was go to go open himself up to questions but first, he talked about moving forward and what it would take to get beyond this and keep the protesting going. he said keep it positive but

keep the conversation going. what did you think about that? >> yeah. people have a right to protests. people have to understand that no one is looking to violate your right to object. we're looking at a healthy way to object. if you heard when the prosecutor is speaking and then you listened to the reporter questions, the bias was so thick, it was nauseating. i said a long time ago that journalism was dead but when you listen to that and hear the angle, it's no surprise on a national stage, the media did the very same thing. you have media insighting, you have community oftentimes insighting. you need someone to heal and to bring together. i don't know if that comes from a combination of local community and someone on the national stage but i think it would be amazing if the administration and the president would step up in a positive, healing way >> can i ask you what thoughts are on race relations in the nation now? i know we have a lot of conversations off air but when you see the rioting happening and the loss of life that's so

tragic and we're waiting michael brown's parents, what do you think the family could say? >> it breaks my heart, first of all, because i don't have an immediate answer and all i can do is pray for the situation. i've been saying this in social media, that i'm praying that things will die down and that cooler heads will prevail and that change can come from what is necessary and that is great open hearts. i know michael brown's parents are hurting as any parent's heart would be hurt soing -- hurting so my prayers are with them, too. if i'm truly honest, i'm furious with the people who go in and take advantage of this because these people already feel voiceless. many of them don't have jobs and they're tearing down the various establishments that can offer them a future. small businesses which do create jobs. and in infuriates me they're being taken advantage of. so i go from broken hearted to

that emotion and what i want to do is find some kind of way and you talk about the leadership that is possible to call upon those people who have big voices in our community, who can come and in a neutral way, get people to come to the table. we need that so desperately now. >> yeah. i mean, well said. who can even imagine being a parent and having a child killed or die regardless of the circumstances? can't even imagine. i pray every night that that never happens to anyone i know or anyone else in this country but unfortunately, those aren't the circumstances and i think you're right, harris. it does take leadership from the black and white community to come together. for me, what would it take for me for us to have lebron and tom brady come together and say, listen. we're better than this. we have an opportunity to do something very positive here, to change what's happening with our police departments, to find a

way to communicate in a different manner but until we have those people with the star power, look. we're looking at al sharpton right now. with all respect, he's not down there to help. i think he'll be there and he's instigating and that's a problem for me. >> raising money to pay his taxes. >> he should be on a tax payment plan. senator, how did things transpire after the summit in massachusetts? did you see a healing of the community? >> it's kind of a -- to have the president come and have a beer summit when the officer, in fact, had a lng and good career, it was embarrassing, i think, for the departments. it was embarrassing for massachusetts back then but he's the president. he said let's get a beer, you're going to have a beer. i don't think it helped a heck of a lot. he still continues to move on and step into things. >> local issues. >> he should not be participating in. >> do you think he should participate in this? >> i think what he did last night, he's in a difficult position. on the one hand we have something where the country is

starting to fall apart a little bit. you have protests, you have angry outbursts, you have a lot of looting and violence and he's the president. we hope every day that he's going to come out and be better. every day -- >> and unite us instead of feeling like us versus them or them versus us. >> he said that anger was justified last night and when he originally came out, he was lecturing the cops on restraint which i didn't think helped the situation and i don't think it helped last night, either. judging by the side by side we saw in the news networks, it fell on deaf ears. >> should he have not come out at all? >> i think he should have come out. and i think -- >> that's the question. he is the president. >> it's a local issue. >> local issue going national, though. he's right here. >> you were right. the whole world is watching. >> if he hadn't come out, can you imagine the reaction? if he kept his mouth shut -- he was behind a rock and a hard place in that particular instance. >> and i'm no fan of the

president, believe me. i think he's very divisive. >> i think he was walking -- >> i don't know about that. >> i actually know. he's had some -- remember his speech on race in philadelphia? like he has a way, he has rhetorical flourish that can actually bring people together when he's at his best. when he anticipates his audience so much that he starts pandering, that's when it falls apart. >> we've seen the president at his best when he was running for office and i think at that time, he was pitch perfect. that's when the country was at a peak. there's not red states or blue states. he has moved away from that and that's why there are those questions is he seeking to unite or seeking to divide and distract. >> people at the next election are looking for someone to unite this country. they're tired of the divisiveness. black, white, it's time. people looking for someone to unite this country.

>> they're exhausted. they are exhausted. >> i think when harris was speaking before, one of the key emotions that comes through is empathy. a little bit of empathy, a little walking in somebody else's shoes, takes a minute to see where they're coming from, maybe if even you don't agree is key to bringing people together. no matter what situation you're talking about, immigration, i always take a minute to think where the other people are coming from and that enables the situation to be better no matter what we're talking about. >> you know what's difficult for those of us raising children, i know you and you have kids, what that really takes is the ability to see both sides. it isn't just i'm going to bring both sides together and they're going to get along. it's the real true, human curiosity about what each side is expressing and feeling and loving them both enough to get them to the middle. you've got to really love people to do that. >> it's true. >> yeah. well, okay. we're still waiting for the parents to possibly speak at this news conference.

i've been kind of keeping an eye off on a monitor and it got in there and some weird things were going on and the parents haven't stepped to the mike yet. "happening now" is going to come in a second or two and continue the story. have you on today. "happening now". we begin with a fox news alert. we are awaiting as harris just told you new reaction from michael brown's family and the grand jury decision. >> their objection to the process and prosecutor. this is "happening now". >> fury in ferguson, teargas and gunfire after a grand jury's decision not to indict the police officer in ferguson, missouri. what is next in the case that ignited a fire storm? >> and