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and lets the restaurant cook his. thanks for being part of the real story. i'll see you tomorrow before the thanksgiving holiday. if you're leaving now, have a safe trip. happy thanksgiving. i'm gretchen carlson. let's head over to shep. we're waiting to see what will happen today as darkness falls again on ferguson, and for that matter across our nation after hours of violence last night and demonstrations in cities from sea to shining sea. today the streets of ferguson calmer, although the smell of smoke hangs heavy in the air. a news conference is scheduled to begin there at any moment. we'll take you to ferguson, look at the reactions and protests in cities across our land. we're also going through the material that the grand jury saw and heard. the evidence that jurors apparently felt supported their decision, from the officer's testimony to the shooting scene photos. and lawyers for michael brown's family say the whole process was unfair, that the jury didn't get the guidance it needed. that the police officer was not
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cross examined. and in the end, justice was not served. how is it possible that two different groups see this one issue so completely differently? is it part of the divide in our nation? and where is it leading us? let's get to it. good tuesday afternoon fro deck on a very difficult day in america where we're all left to wonder where is this taking us. and will history be our guide. we're right now waiting for the mayor of ferguson, missouri, to speak following a night of violence and destruction in his city. we'll bring you the news when it begins. but first the parents of michael brown say the legal system is broken. that's the word from their attorney, a very emotional attorney a short time ago. a grand jury decided not to indict the white police officer for shooting the black 18-year-old who did not have any weapons on him. the family says they are
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profoundly disappointed in the jury's decision, which sparked a night of violence and protests across ferguson, missouri. and in this hour and for the first time on this channel today we will play a video, a video of those family members that happened in the moments after the announcement was read. you'll see the raw emotion and you'll hear the stepfather say "burn this down." the family attorney slammed the demonstrators' reaction but again blamed police for michael brown's death. >> we condemn the violence and the looters from last night but we also condemn the violent act that happened on august 9th that killed michael brown. >> when the protests first broke out, the county police chief said he told his officers to back off and to treat the situation like it was a, quote, festival or a baseball game. but when the protesters started torching buildings and torching cars and looting in the neighborhood, police responded
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with tear gas. they arrested more than 80 people in ferguson and neighboring st. louis, most of them for looting. cameras by the dozens caught crowds shattering store fronts and trashing everything inside. we heard bursts of gunfire. our own steve harrigan reported at least 90 shots within just a few minutes. playing out on live television. firefighters say the flying bullets kept them from reaching those beg your pardoniurning bu airlines even turned back flights from the st. louis airport. by the time the smoke began to clear this morning, many buildings in their neighborhood were reduced to ruins. a police report finding a man shot to death near the spot where michael brown died. or i should say shot -- let's back that up. a police report finding a man shot to death near the spot where michael brown died. local reports indicate somebody burned that body. other protests spread across
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that nation, although they stayed mostly peaceful. here in new york city thousands of marchers temporarily shut down not one but three critical bridges into manhattan. in oakland, california, dozens lay in the street and blocked traffic. the same in los angeles with demonstrations in atlanta, with demonstrations across our nation. something so many do not understand. where does this come from? why is this organized? well, the people in ferguson, missouri, will tell you it's part of a pattern, that the system does not work for them, that it has not worked for them, that they have done all they can and now they are rising up. so what are the rest of us to do? and exactly how do we bring this nation back together? if we missed it, this has been going on for a long time. we have team fox coverage. trace gallagher has the evidence and the transcripts from the grand jury hearings and they're important. first let's get to steve harrigan who's in ferguson. he was in the midst of it all last night.
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steve hair dprharrigan, a veter correspondent who last night was crowding up against the building as the flames were burning and the firefighters couldn't get in and the national guard stood nearby protecting the police department. steve, what is there today? >> reporter: shepard, it's aftermath day. we're standing in the middle of a used car lot here on west florissant avenue where people have come out to see these burned carcasses, one car after another, pretty much smashed and deliberately set on fire. they burned through the hours through the night on live television. one of 25 businesses burned to the ground. a payday loan center gone up in flames and a conoco gas station burned down as well. we heard more than 90 shots last night. the governor is calling out the national guard and said there will not be a repeat tonight, shepard. >> what are you hearing from the people? is there more calm, is there more anger? what's the sense of things? >> reporter: we've been seeing people walk up to these cars for
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the last couple of hours and take pictures. we're really hearing two different things. one woman, middle aged, african-american woman put it bluntly. what did the cars do? she said this is just ridiculous. these cars had nothing to do with michael brown. on the other hand we're seeing younger people, again black, taking pictures almost with a joyful air seeing these burned cars as trophies. two very different attitudes of people who have come out to see the wreckage of last night's violence, shepard. >> steve, to you and glenn we appreciate it -- dutch wargo, thanks very much. you hear so much about the youth. today on social media, the youth of america are speaking really in common voice saying we don't have hope. the generation before us didn't have hope. we get out of high school, where do we go? there's no chance at middle class, we don't have jobs to get things started, we have to go back home and live with mom and dad. what is tomorrow for us? what is tomorrow for our
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children? and what's wrong with the justice system that seems, they say, not to work for them. that your perception may be different does not change their reality. we're also learning more about the evidence that the jurors used to make their decision in this case. dozens of hours of testimony from about 60 witnesses, including officer wilson himself. prosecutors released these photos. now look at these photos. we'll talk about them specifically later. they show the bruises on the side of the officer's face and on the back of his head. now stay with that, please, because in the testimony the officer said i had been hit twice. it felt like i was a 5-year-old child and i was holding on to hulk hogan and i didn't know if a third shot would be the fatal shot. return to the previous photo if that's possible technically. these are the shots that were -- these are the pounds that were happening on this man's face. he is 6'2", 210. the suspect in this case, the dead man now was 6'6", 285, and these are the blows. this one and the next one that
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he said he believed might be the precursor to the one that might be fatal. he was not cross examined. according to the transcript, he told jurors that brown attacked him while he was still in his car. the officer said he pushed brown with the car door. brown hit him in the face and grabbed for his gun, goes the testimony. officer wilson said he felt he needed to pull the trigger because he feared for his life. quote, i felt like another one of those punches in my face could knock me out or worse. i mean it was -- he's obviously bigger than i was and stronger. i've already taken two to the face and i didn't think i would -- the third one could be fatal if he hit me, right? officer wilson also claimed he never used his gun on duty before. he compared michael brown to a demon. and said that trying to control him was like, as i mentioned, a 5-year-old hold on to a wrestler, hulk hogan. after the initial skirmish, wilson says brown bolted down
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the street. so the officer chased after the man who was running from him. after all, he held the cigarillos. a friend with brown said the officer fired again. that's when brown turned around to face him and the friend said, and i quote, at that time big mike's hand was up but not so much in the air because he had been struck. the friend says michael brown did not run at the officer before the final and deadly shot. but the prosecutor says other witnesses contradict that claim. in other words, there are different claims about this matter from different people. and the grand jurors, all 12 of them, received all of the information. trace gallagher is live in our west coast news hub with more on this. what else did the officer tell that jury? >> and you have to remember, shep, the prosecutor said the grand jury's decision really came down to whether michael brown was charging officer wilson or whether he was surrendering. now, wilson told the grand jury
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he was trying to contain brown until his backup arrived but then brown turned on him saying, quoting here, as he is coming towards me i keep telling him to get on the ground. he doesn't. i shoot a series of shots. i don't know how many i shot. i just know i shot it. i know i missed a couple. i don't know how many, but i know i hit him at least once because i saw his body jerk. brown then tells the grand jury that he thought michael brown was going to tackle him saying, quoting again, at this point it looked like he was almost bulking up to run through the shots, like it was making him mad that i'm shooting at him. he then shot brown in the head and said that his aggression was gone. overall darren wilson fired a dozen shots. he had one bullet left in his chamber. brown was struck at least six times. shep. >> what about other witnesses, trace? what did they have to say? >> it was a matter the prosecutor said of changing witness testimony and witness 14 is a prime example. this person is very sympathetic
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to michael brown telling police, quoting here, brown was to me and i'm just gonna say it, he was executed. wilson had made up his mind he was going to kill him. but under further questioning from federal investigators, there is this exchange. the question by investigator reed, each time the officer was firing, michael brown was coming toward him. the answer, yes. question again, okay, and at no time did michael brown say anything, correct? >> answer, i could not tell or hear if he did say anything. question, but you were able to hear the officer say stop? answer, oh, yeah. he was very -- he was very loud. officer wilson also testified, shep, that he did yell "stop" a number of times. >> trace gallagher live with us from los angeles. trace, thanks. so a lot to go through for that grand jury. and in the end the family and many of their supporters believe this should have gone through the process. after all, as you heard so many times, you can indict a ham
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sandwich. did the prosecutor not want an indictment here? were there politics involved in all of this? we'll speak with dan shore, who has done this sort of thing many times. in addition, a new conference is about to begin. we're told three minutes away so a quick commercial break and we'll be back. helps reduce the risk of heart disse. keep hrt-healthy. live long. eat the 100% goodness of post shreddedheat. doctorrecommend it.
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continuing coverage now from ferguson, missouri, the aftermath and all of the evidence that was presented. a live look now in ferguson. we're waiting for a mayoral news conference to begin. remember the mayor who said, no, there's really no racial divide in ferguson. he's since walked that back but
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now they're working on technology in that room. it was our belief that this news conference would begin on this very moment. we believe they're working on the technical difficulties and will begin shortly. in the meantime i'd like to bring in dan shore, a former prosecutor who's worked before a grand jury before. >> i've handled investigations into officer-involved shootings in new york city. it's a different kind of grand jury presentation than the normal crime where you know there's a crime and you're going to prove that and going to the grand jury for a probable cause standard and then at trial beyond a reasonable doubt. >> for instance, somebody has been shot and is dead in the street and you know there's a criminal out there somewhere, you're trying to find that criminal. in this case you don't know if this was justified or if this was a murder and you're trying to find that out. >> we know that michael brown was shot and killed by officer wilson. the question was, was the shooting justified or not. there are different accounts that vary in different ways so there's more of an investigatory
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function was there a crime and was there probable cause of that crime so it can proceed towards trial. >> the family and supporters question the way the evidence was presented to the grand jury. they have described it simply as a document dump, as if all of the -- and there are thousands of pages and there's 60 witnesses. as if it was put into their hands for them to decide without the direction that maybe they should have had. your sense of it. >> there's two separate issues here. one is should the grand jury have heard all the evidence, which they normally don't in a normal grand jury presentation but should they have heard everything here. the second issue is was it presented in a fair way. the first question, you have to put every poiece of evidence in front of this grand jury. every fact that prosecutors knew b if there were just a few witnesses called then people would rightfully say how can you have a grand jury decision when you don't have all the evidence. >> right now the mayor of ferguson is about to speak. we'll pick up this conversation in just a moment. now the ferguson mayor and this is live from ferguson this
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afternoon. good afternoon. i am james, mayor of the city of ferguson. i am joined by ferguson clergy, ferguson residents and members of the ferguson city council. 24 hours ago, st. louis prosecutor bob mccullouch announced the decision of the grand jury. although we cannot speak concerning the decision of the grand jury, our thoughts and prayers are with the brown family. words cannot express the grief that a parent is feeling with the loss of their loved ones. many of our residents, business owners and citizens are asking
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for prayers during this time of unrest. we truly understand that the world is watching both the city of ferguson and the st. louis region as well as the state of missouri. i would like to make this statement perfectly clear. we would like to thank the many police officers, firefighters and missouri highway patrol troopers for putting themselves in harm's way to protect our citizens and our businesses. unfortunately, as the unrest grew and further assistance was needed, the national guard was not deployed in enough time to save all of our businesses. the decision to delay the deployment of the national guard is deeply concerning. we are asking that the governor make available and deploy all necessary resources to prevent the further destruction of property and the preservation of life in the city of ferguson. many of our residents at this time are cleaning their businesses and wondering what
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happens tonight. i want to convey to business owners and residents of ferguson that we will continue to work with the national guard and local authorities and we work hard to build a more diverse and stronger community. i've asked to join me several clergy members and business owners. you will now hear from each of them briefly. >> good afternoon. i'm vivian dudley of one church outreach ministry, also ministry that's located in ferguson. i stand here with mostly clergy that is continuing to do whwe'v. as i drove through our community this morning, i called all of those trained since this event together regardless of race, color, creed or religion. we came over and people of faith believing that the one answer that will turn the situation around is prayer.
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we're here today to pray for this city, to pray for our nation, to pray for the residents, the business owners, whatever the solution is around this issue. none of it will be resolved by violence and what we've seen in our community. we're crying out to all of you all for peace and for healing with us. this is not the answer to continue to destroy. >> i'm also going to introduce another of my colleagues that also pastors in ferguson, bishop calvin scott of believers temple word fellowship church. >> let me say first and foremost as i watched the unraveling in our community last night, 1:00, 2:00 in the morning my heart was grieved by the destruction.
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on the other side of the coin as a clergy and pastor, my heart goes out to the community at large. the business community, our young people who are presently working with the school district offering meals to the young children, the emotional side is that they're traumatized by the events happening in our community. i believe it's going to take a concerted effort of all of us working together. our loss is your loss. our gain is your gain. i appeal to the young folk, that there's a different way to handle conflict. i appeal to government, law enforcement, the clergy, the community at large, we together can make a difference and we're stating today we believe that the power of prayer is an intricate part of the process. also beginning on ground zero mobilizing our efforts, our energies, our finances, our thoughts, our process to bring together a solution because this problem is systemic and frankly it's not going to go away without us working together as a
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team. i pray that as we pray today that all who believe in the power of god will come and pray with us. >> my name is timothy woods. i'm pastor of the first free will baptist church in the city of st. louis. i am also a resident, i live in ferguson. i have been on the streets since day one back in august. we have helped to supply needs, we have done as much as we possibly can as far as feeding the community and praying for our community. i want to say as one who was on the streets last night, i know that we have got a distorted image of some of the things that took place. first off, we do not condone the violence that took place. we are not supportive of any
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violent acts that took place. those people who were hurt, those businesses and those buildings that were burned down, we want to stand in solidarity and say we condemn those acts. we condemn those things that were done. we love people. the acts we condemn. the people we love. those people who were out on the streets last night, they were out with a message. those people who were out trying to exercise their constitutional rights and their god-given rights to speak their mind, we support them. we want to make sure that it is understood by everybody that we in ferguson are a people who simply want to see the best for our community. we're here because we want our community to experience the greatness and the fruition of all those things that have been promised us and have been said before that we can -- we believe
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in the potential and possibility of all of those young people, regardless of how they express themselves. we believe that they are capable of rising above any violence and being those productive citizens we know they can be. we support them in being who we know they can be. we want to make sure that we stand with our government and the other clergy and let them know that we are all in this together. we are all on the same side. we want to let our police officers also know that we are on the same side. we are not fighting each other. we're fighting for a cause together. thank you. >> good afternoon, everyone. i first would like to thank my lord and savior and give honor
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to him for being so blessed at the time for this. to be chosen apparently and i believe that i speak for myself and my fellow business owners in the community that we are definitely saddened by what has happened. i drove down the street before i came here and i was in tears. it really, really was bad. and i'm so thankful for the clergy. i'm thankful to everyone here and who is out there, who is praying for us as a community and as business owners praying for people, period. i've always been told at church in the bible, throughout the
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bible that love conquers all. so my prayers is that i know that god is in control. i pray that for these next days that we as a people continue to pray, that we leave god in control of this. that everyone is protected, our rights, our words, the things that we have to say, and that we can move positively in love. >> good afternoon. my name is helen douglas taylor and i am a resident of ferguson. i am also an educator in jennings and in ferguson florissant. i really want to appeal to parents that we have to understand the awesome
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responsibility of raising our children and consequences of actions and that one small act, though it seems small, affects so many. but this isn't the end, that we can get through this, but we all have to look in the mirror. each and every one of us, and take an examination of everything that we do and that we say and that it is about human life, not black, white, purple or polka dot. it is about god's love, one to another. and i just feel blessed and fortunate as i was just going about my day that for some reason god tells me even in my sinful nature to stand here and have this platform to say let's
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take an examination of ourselves. because once we examine ourselves and stop point the fingers elsewhere, i believe change can happen with the grace of god. thank you. >> let's take an examination of ourselves and we'll speak about this with juan williams in just a moment because there is an overriding problem here, which we can either choose to acknowledge or not. that for a generation and at least for recent years there's not a lot of hope at one end of the spectrum and there's an enormous group of people who think that the system doesn't work for them. whether that's the case or not is not nearly as important as the perception. and within a very large community all across our nation there is perception that the system is not working and there is a big group of people in ferguson, missouri, and beyond and across the country as demonstrated by, well, demonstrations throughout the night who believe it's not working for them.
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so how do we come together and make it work for them? well, one of the complaints throughout this process in ferguson, missouri, was that the system did not work specifically within the confines of the legal system. and one of the complaints, dan shore who was still with us who has prosecuted this sort of matter before or been involved with grand jury systems, is that this police officer spoke and gave an account of what happened that night. and among the other things, he said that he didn't want to use his mace. he said he considered other options before grabbing his gun. darren wilson told the grand jury that he didn't want to use mace michael brown because the chances of it being effective were slim to none. he was attempting to apprehend brown and put him in the squad car when brown struck wilson. the next thing i remember is how do i get this guy away from me, according to the police officer. what do i do not to get beaten inside my car. wilson said in order to use his mace he would have to sacrifice
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his left hand and he couldn't grab it with his right hand because the mace was out of reach. so he said brown was covering his face. wilson said other options he considered were his flashlight or his baton but because he and brown were in such proximity he didn't feel either option would be effective. so the only other option i thought was my gun, wilson testified. i drew my gun. i said get back or i'm going to shoot. he immediately grabs my gun and says you are too much of a blank to shoot me. wilson says i don't normally carry a taser. darren wilson says he doesn't typically carry a taser on him. we only have a select amount wilson testified. usually there's one available but i usually elect not to use one. it's not the most comfortable thing. they are very large. i don't have a lot of room in front of me. northbou none of this, dan shore, was cross examined. people who say there was an injustice say it should have been cross examined. >> there are two issues.
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one is should all the evidence have been given to the grand jury? absolutely they should hear everything. the second issue is was it presented in a fair way. that's the debate that should be happening now if there's going to be a debate. the debate over how was this handled, was it handled right and that's a legitimate disagreement people can have after analyzing the transcripts. remember a lot of transcripts came out last night and it's important to sift through it and read them carefully throughout before people jump to conclusions. >> you told us before your appearance today that politics appear to be in play here. a prosecutor is going to make a decision about how to handle something while thinking about the bigger picture. >> i don't mean politics in a bad sense. i'm saying in general this decision by the grand jury will be scrutinized and criticized no matter how it comes out and it should be scrutinized, that's right. but if that's going to happen, it's important that all the evidence is heard by the grand jury so people feel the grand jury got a full and fair presentation. also it's important that the evidence was released to the public so people can see how was this evidence presented. so people can say this was done
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correctly or this was not doneb it's affecting all of us coming up with juan williams from washington. dan shore, thanks very much. we'll continue with that right after this.
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fox report now. five children are missing after a fire destroyed a home in texas. officials say it broke out early this morning in edna, texas, 90 miles south and west of houston. it looked like the fire started in the kitchen but not clear what caused it. relatives of 43 missing college students say they found new mass graves in mexico. the students vanished two months ago on the way to a demonstration in the southern part of the country of the investigators say they think a local mayor may have handed over the students to a drug gang because he was worried they would disrupt a speech his wife was giving. surveillance video shows a water buffalo going on a rampage injuring more than a dozen people and damaging some cars. it happened this week in china.
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police there shot and killed the animal. no word on how it first got loose. we'll get back to the unrest in ferguson and the protests across america. juan williams on what this means in the big picture. that's coming right up. you may think you can put off checking out your medicare options until you're sixty-five, but now is a good time to get the ball rolling. keep in mind, medicare only covers about eighty percent of part b medical costs. the rest is up to you. that's where aarp medicare supplement insurance plans insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company come in. like all standardized medicare supplement insurance plans, they could help pay some of what medicare doesn't, saving you in out-of-pocket medical costs. you've learned that taking informed steps along the way really makes a difference later. that's what it means to go long™.
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and start gathering the information you need to help you keep rolling with confidence. go long™. ♪ . continuing coverage of demonstrations now across america. this is a live look, st. louis, missouri, courtesy of our fox station in st. louis. these are demonstrations in and around i-70 it's my understanding. last night on interstate 44 during the 11:00 p.m. eastern time hour large crowds gathered, shut down the interstate and large boulevards which are beneath it. 18-wheelers were stuck in the middle of the interstate and signs were carried just as they are now. traffic was brought to a halt in many places. as you can see on the interstate overpass ahead, it me as if one area -- one side is moving and the other side is not. crowds gathering. that's not the only place.
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let's go to atlanta. this is near moorhouse college in atlanta. these particular ones involve a large amount of students, multiple races, again just making statements about what happened in ferguson and a need for changes in our system. these pictures courtesy of waga, fox 5 for the atlanta area. you can see as they pan up and down the street, the crowds are, quite frankly, large with lots of people wondering what will happen tonight. david lee miller is in new york city with reaction there. first let's get to mike toben who's in ferguson. what are you seeing in the daylight from your vantage point, mike? >> reporter: it's really sad, shepard. look at the building behind me and this was someone's life goal, their livelihood. now it's a charred remain of building supplies probably never to be opened again. this intersection last night, shepard, was 360 degrees of chaos. there were people doing doughnuts in the intersection.
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there were kids running across, their arms loaded with as much cigarettes, booze, candy as they could carry. there was random gunfire out here. you're looking down florissant avenue right now. that's where all the demonstrations used to take place, where people talked about expressing themselves, about their first amendment rights. now it's closed to the public. a mile and a half long crime scene, just about every structure back there sustained some serious damage. a lot of those buildings gone, engulfed in flames over the night. >> the ferguson mayor said in his news conference just a few minutes ago that he was disturbed that the national guard, which had been brought up prior to all of this with great pomp and circumstance, was not deployed soon enough to save those businesses. have you gotten any word on the national guard tonight? >> reporter: well, we're getting from the governor's office that we're going to see a greater presence with the national guard. the details of that will be forthcoming. and it's not just the mayor who's upset. we've heard a lot of these business owners wondering where
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was the national guard at the front end of all of this conflict. so we're going to see a different presence from the national guard. details are forthcoming. quite possibly we'll see them in more of a security role. >> thank you. outside of missouri thousands of people took to the streets last night and protested organizers had planned even before the grand jury announcement. >> ferguson, we got your back. >> we've got your back ferguson they chanted in oakland, california, last night and hands up, don't shoot. that of course has become the mantra for folks who still believe michael brown was trying to surrender when officer wilson shot him. the mayor said the officers arrested 40 people. protesters also blocked some highways. demonstrations in other cities were mostly peaceful. hundreds of people marched through the streets in cities from chicago to seattle. they even madder on trched on t house. here in new york hundreds
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marched from union square to the world famous times square. they also stopped traffic into and out of manhattan on three of the bridges which cross over the rivers around our city. as we just showed you, people in different parts of the country are out once again today. david lee miller outside fox news headquarters here in midtown manhattan. what's it like in the city in general, david lee? >> reporter: shepard, during the last few hours we've seen a few more protests taking place in the new york city area, specifically in brooklyn and across the river in newark, new jersey. police were closely monitoring events in ferguson, so much so that when the decision of no indictment was made, an e-mail was sent out by the new york city police department. the police commissioner, bill bratton, was personally on the scene as the demonstrators marched. as previously reported, one of them tossed fake blood at the police commissioner as well as other officers. now that demonstrator, described as a professional agitator, is facing criminal charges.
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>> i think he's been charged with nine counts of assault because nine different officers, myself included, were basically hit with the material that he had in the -- i believe it was a jar that he was carrying. my understanding is it's some type of imitation blood that they might use in a play or a movie. >> reporter: in addition to that incident there was only one additional arrest. a demonstrator got into an altercation with police. as the city braces for more demonstrations, police at one police plaza, the headquarters here, have been told from lieutenants on down that they should don riot gear. >> we watched demonstrations last night, david lee, in philadelphia and chicago and beyond. >> reporter: that's right. demonstrations taking place literally from one coast to the other. most of them were peaceful. there were few, if any, arrests at most of those locations. but at this hour in the city of chicago, a demonstration is taking place. demonstrators there on the fifth
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floor of city hall. they are outside the mayor's office there and they say they are not going to leave that location for 28 hours. why 28? activists say that number is significant because every 28 hours, a black man is killed by police or by security personnel. rally organizers also say, shepard, that throughout the country today they are planning for 28 more protests. once again from coast to coast in solidarity with what happened in ferguson. shepard. >> david lee miller live with us. thanks. is it about solidarity with what happened in ferguson or about something that's bigger and something that's societal and something all of us aren't in touch with and maybe need to get in touch with? juan williams has been involved in race relations and trying to bring the two sides together for many years. in st. louis we watched as crowds gather. this picture doesn't tell the story but hundreds are on the street. i'll ask juan if this is about the haves and have nots.
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is it about a system that one side doesn't think works? if that's the case, what should we all do about it to try to make it better before it overruns all of our lives. that's coming right up.
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13 minutes before 4:00 on the east coast and we just got word that the attorney general eric holder will make a statement at 4:00 eastern time, 13 minutes from now. we'll have coverage from that. a live look at philadelphia, pennsylvania, where crowds are in the streets with signs and blocking traffic in many cases. that's been the case for the last hour at least. in st. louis, missouri, we've just gotten reports through the reporting of the st. louis post dispatch newspaper and its online property that pepper spray was used to break up crowds that are forming there. so los angeles, oakland, seattle, st. louis, atlanta, chicago, new york, all across our nation what is this that so many don't understand? let's bring in fox news political analyst juan williams
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who's been watching and documenting and being part of race relations for the better part of his adult life. there are some who would dismiss this as a racial thing alone, juan, but from all that i read online today and from the young people of america, this is about a lack of hope that this is -- this is a group of people, whether accurate or not is for somebody else to decide, but a group of people who look at this situation and say i don't have a chance, the system doesn't work for me, i don't have hope today or tomorrow and neither do any children i might bring into the world. what's going on? >> well, two key factors here, shep. i really appreciate the fact that you're going beneath the surface here on this one because what you're seeing is pretty much the interaction between police and poor black people in terms of these incidents, whether it's what happened in ferguson or what happened in new york city in queens where the man was choked, died from a chokehold or a woman in l.a. who was a poor woman walking on the freeway, again beaten by police.
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but what you get is the interaction between police is a thin blue line protecting society and who are they protecting? in this case they're protecting people with property, money, et cetera, cars and all that. but the people who feel that they're not being protected, the people who feel as if they are being owe pressed by the police are these younger and poorer people. again, there's a large demographic. don't forget a quarter of the american population under the age of 18, disproportionately people of color, poverty, out of wedlock births, poor levels of education in that population and they're the ones that have conflict with the police. and i think too often it gets written off as simple racial conflict, maybe from our -- you know, the previous generation's civil rights movement experience. but i think in this -- you know, in this moment what we're talking about is a class issue. the police pretty much protect
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me as a middle class black man. the question is how do they treat poor blacks and poor hispanics and whether or not they do racial stereotyping, racial profiling of the kind that led to the controversy in new york city over stop and frisk. >> you know, from reading the history of this case, which began obviously on august 9th, the social media narrative goes as follows. first he got shot and killed, then they left him in the street for four and a half hours. then when we were upset about it, they beat us while we were on camera, sprayed things in our faces and screamed things at us. then we moved forward and they did a document dump and they didn't let the system work out. i'm not saying that this is a big picture of exactly what happened, but i am 100% sure that there's a group of people in america who believe that's what happened. i wonder how dangerous you think that is? >> well, i think it's -- essentially it's the seeds of social unrest. i think you're seeing growing lines along this evident in our
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politics. people tap into the populism on the right from the tea party but there's huge social unrest being seeded on the left and again particularly among young people who oftentimes are not even registered to vote. we saw that in ferguson where the black community was not involved but suspicion of the system and getting back to what you were touching on earlier, when they don't feel the system works for them. not just in terms of a system that allows a kid to be killed and no penalty, no sanction against the police but no opportunity in terms of failing -- >> so what do we do it? i'll ask juan right after this.
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continuing coverage of the ferguson riots and demonstrations across the nation. rage is building and it did last
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night. this is video we've not yet shown on this channel. this is michael brown's mother and step father after the no indictment. >> i've never had to go through nothing like this. none of y'all know me, but i don't do nothing to nobody. anybody say so, they are a liar. they are a damn liar.
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[ bleep ] [ bleep ] . [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. >> burn this down! burn this down! >> burn this down, he's saying, with an expletive. juan, what do we do? >> i think you have to hear those stories, and i think you have to feel that rage and that pain. it's very real, shep, and we just can't wish it away, so it's going to require work in terms of making sure that we hear that story and making sure that people, all americans, have opportunity. >> and it's in ferguson, all americans do not. >> i don't think people do here. at this moment we get locked into our corners and our teams, our race, not good. >> we'll be back.
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demonstrations are building in cities across the country. this is philadelphia. there is another in st. louis. we'll have coverage throughout the day. in addition, the attorney general is to speak shortly. neil cavuto will have coverage of that as his program begins right now. ♪ tear gas canisters fired. >> all right, thank you, shepard, and we are following a story that keeps getting more involved by the second. you're looking live right now at st. louis to the left of your screen, governor jay nixon is about to hold a news conference. the mayor of ferguson has been slammed for not calling in the national guard troops immediately when those violent protests broke out last night. what are the governor's plans for tonight, as dusk quickly falls? when the governor speaks, we'll take you there live. we are also expecting a statement any minute now from attorney general eric holder, who has promised prior to this a federal probe. if that federal probe is still