this is a fox news alert. chaos rang out in the after math of the ferguson decision. >> [ bleep ]. >> [ bleep ]. >> well, that was michael brown's stepfather and burn it down. several fires ripped through the ferguson night. smoke and tear gas and 61 arrests followed. the face of racial discord in america, msnbc host -- sharpton called for further protests in

missouri and throughout america. >> we are going to continue to pursue justice. and this is not a ferguson problem. this is a problem all over the country. all of our members are coming out, we will determine an ongoing strategy that will include mass and regular marches, legislation. we will not turn around. >> now that the ferguson decision has been handed down, and now that ferguson is in chaos, if they stepped in, they could have a calming tone. it doesn't sound calming at all. >> none of those leaders have a calming tone. >> isn't president obama a black

leader, isn't eric holder a black leader? they could have come out and said the grand jury has spoken, there's no indictment. >> i thought that was an eloquent statement he made last night. we live by the rule of law. the problem is, this the community had their mind made up about this facts or no facts. a lot of these people were demonstrating perfectly. they had substandard schools, they've got to have a police department that reflects their community. >> we have come a long ways but we still have work to do. i'm not sure that's the right tone to strike. >> he almost repeated what giuliani said, he said that police in minority neighborhoods, where more minorities are dying, cops are valuable. i agree with bob, i think that was -- here's a bigger problem. the media keeps describing in as

an angry reaction, but i watched this all last night on youstream, which is a channel used by the protesters. a lot of the people weren't angry, they were having fun, they were openly talking to police, they were bragging to police, because let's face it, anarchy and chaos is fun. this is where i go back to president obama. he can't reach the rioters. we think that because he's a black leader, that he could calm th them. criminal s don't take advice, they take television, i don't think president obama has any affect on those people jumping up and down. so to me, i think this is this personal. >> right after the decision, k.g., there was a bit of a pause, and they were saying where is the national guard.

remember jay nixon saying he was going to bring in the national guard. the national guard today was not present. peter kinder, the lieutenant governor, he thought maybe jay nixon responded to holder and obama and didn't bring in the national guard. >> then they didn't do their job. what about all the people that last their businesses and property. this is isn't about an 18-year-old who died who's going to -- these are people in there looting from the beauty supply store. stealing tennis shoes. it's shameful behavior, and even on behalf of the stepfather, jumping up and down trying to fight violence, jumping up and down. i want to take you back before this all started, because it was a domino affect fake taking place across the country. there was no outcome that was really going to satisfy.

it was like al sharpton, i think they wanted this to be something they could have a loud voice on, to stir the pot, and poke the case and say what a horrible country we are. >> a couple of comments. it didn't stop sharpton to listen to the local elected official, a local committee woman and missouri state senator saying racism was behind the acquittal of officer darren wilson. >> tonight is another display of what american justice looks like for those of us who are black and brown. >> not only has this mike brown movement revealed the true intention of people in police departments across the state, but i have to tell you, that there has been systematic racism institutionally in state government and for decades. this is st. louis's race war.

we didn't have a race war, like other race wars throughout the country, this is our ration war. >> and the chairwoman of the congressional black caucus, congresswoman marsha fudge, further newlying the unrest when she said it is a 34is carriage of justice, this decision seems to underscore an unrain rule that black lives hold no value. this is a frightening narrative for every parent and guardian of black and brown children and another set back for race relations in america. >> i'm not -- i can't put myself in her shoes, per se, i can try to be empathetic, i can try to understand. she says it's frightening for black and brown children, i have to say it's frightening for america, all the progress that has been made, as president obama has said, we have a lot more to do, and eric holder says they have got more to do.

preside in the meantime time, it's not like they didn't have warning that this was going to happen. there's been a several month warning about what was going to happen. think about all those business owners that i have been paying into and investing in that kmufbt with their time and their willingness to be. remember when this first happened, all the good about ferguson came out. the one thing that they have got to figure out a way to do is to stop the initial problem, and then we can talk about the healing, but until they do that, i don't think anybody can have a rational conversation about it. >> these elected officials were talking to their base and their base believes that. they believe it's not safe to be a black child in america, they believe it's not -- >> they're right when you look at black on black crime. >> wait a second. i'm trying to give you what i think is their perception. and to the perception is that they do think they're singled out for harassment and i think

the problem started with some of the worst policing i have ever seen, the forget soften police chief blew it that first night. these are inkompbl techblt fools. >> i would love to see bob's rage at that legal for the looting and the destruction of those law abiding businesses, then the police officer who is actually have to go out there and try to stop it. >> these people look advantage of breaking into these stores. you're right, they probably don't care much about that. but the community believes -- >> hours after the decision was given, we have a state congresswoman, and a councilwoman and a congresswoman who are basically saying, it's not over. this is not done. >> no matter what the evidence was. >> i thing, the

word that has not been used so far in this segment is evidence. you had three -- how many was it, nine, you had three african-americans, three white people, they all said there is not enough evidence here to indict. why perpetuate the myth that there is enough ed. maybe there's a broader problem of racism, but not in this case, they're not going to win this battle based on this one. >> you're not saying the same thing. bob, you're saying the same thing, they have an invested belief in a specific feeling and no facts will satisfy because the perception to them is real and therefore evidence is just -- it's n. it's fabricated. >> from blacks -- they believe this evidence was tarnished from the start. >> why don't you read the grand jury evidence before --- >> why would you -- why is it okay for elected officials -- >> it's not.

>> to come out within hours of the decision and stoke the flames. >> because they don't believe that was the right decision. they believe maybe for once -- it was like o.j. simpson, every black applauded -- >> no matter what, no matter what the evidence showed, if you get indicted -- >> you got to remember something, officer wilson has had a lot of support. he's going to make money, write a book and that kid is six feet under the ground. >> and he committed a robbery that no one wants to talk about. >> these officials should be looking to get the community back together, not to divide it and maybe stoke the flames. across the country, philadelphia, atlanta, los

angeles. >> i will tell you president obama and erick holder, and maybe all these people. if i'm black, and i'm angry, 57b8gd ahear the elected officials, these people i look up to are saying, we had our moment in course, it's time for calm. maybe i don't rise. maybe. >> again, i have to go back to watching -- it wasn't watching any of the networks. i was on youstream. i never saw so many people casually bait people into violence, so it wasn't about injustice, or a feeling that something was wrong, there was an element of society that rejects authority. you can't meet if they do not respect you, they believe for the last 40 years that the police are corrupt and awful. there's no way that they can actually meet. so instead, they go out, the agitators go out and they ag the place on who just sit there and stand there. there's no meeting of the minds. >> but 70% of the blacks in

ferguson stay at home. they still believe it was a bad decision, but they're going to take advantage of it. >> there was a few voices of reason coming from the black community, one carolina from our very own juan williams. thank good for juan's sensible analysis of the ferguson decision. >> the grand jury decision clearly left a lot of people unsatisfied, there's a dead young man, even if he's thuggish or whatever you want to say, shot six times, but the grand jury seems to have followed the law and we have to follow the law in this country. so how do you make something good come out of it? where is al sharpton, ? absent. where is jesse jackson? do on the ground being productive, i don't see it. >> i think what he's getting at is a moral investment in communities which require citizens to part mate in their own police mep. if there are enough blacks that

are willing to work for the police department. when we talk about people versus radical muslims, they are bad apples that change the world for everybody and the violent aspect will never be fixed in any of these groups. you can never change a bad apple. what you can only do is return to condemning evil, rather than glossing over it under the rhetoric of injustice. >> let me ask bob this question. greg points out the moral investment in the community, where is the moral investment in the community to ask for and to highlight and to call for more education rather than heal ing. i believe that most of the people that live in that community are peaceful people who want a resolution. >> i'm talking about the leaders. >> the problem is the leaders, if they stood up there and said, this was a correct decision, say what juan said, it would be a good 1-2-3 inning to say. >> who cares? you would get laughed off the stage.

>> what are we supposed to do. >> there is no moral investment by the black leaders, t the investment is in their own race-baiting that perpetuates their own agenda. >> just one night he should takes his car and go see what he has to deal with. such ignorance and lack of information, they don't want to hear the facts. >> that's because the facts are always running gems them. >> oh, my gosh, bob. this is not the case. >> you mean what we're going to do? we're going to get into the facts in the next block, the prosecutor in ferguson reveals the details behind the grand jury's decision not to indict officer darren wilson, we're going to achblize his decision. ,

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robert mccullough laid out a detailed explanation in just how much the -- evidence -- >> they met on 25 separate days in the last three months, heard more than 70 hours of testimony from about 60 witnesses, they heard from three medical examiners and experts on blood, dna, toxicology, firearms and drug analysis. they examined 00 reds of photographs, they were stwrukted on the law and were p given five

char charges. >> in light of the newly revealed evidence in the case, should people have more or les confidence in the grand jury's decision? let's talk about that now. we have heard a lot of people throughout the day talking about the evidence, but guess what? we don't have to speculate now because the district attorney, in my opinion, with the former polluter that put the evidence before jury. loss of life for loss of property damage, laid it all out, and the grand jury had five options to consider to decide if they wanted to indict. >> from first-degree murder all the way down to manslaughter. >> massive amounts of

conflicting stories, and if you listened to mccullough, he laid it out very meticulously. there's no partisan lines here, he laid it out and said there was not consistency in the story even to go after a manslaughter conviction. >> on his knees with his hands up, ooerks no they didn't say that anymore. >> i would say the grand jury system worked, it worked there. the only question that i would even begin to ask, i don't even know this, who picked the grand jury? >> it's random. >> it's not supposed to reflect the kmufbt? >> you get a summons to show up to be on the grand jury but basically they'll take anybody. >> how do you get nine whites and three blacks on the jury. >> that shouldn't have anything to do with it. >> that was just one case here.

juries have to sit for a long time. >> first of all the shot in the hand that everybody talked about, happened in the police car. he reached in and grabbed for the gun and the officer shot the gun. nobody knew that until late yesterday during the diay, i'm not surprised that the community was not aware of that. but wilson's own lawyer comes out and makes a statement saying how great the grand jury was, and he never once mentioned this kid or his family, i find that outrageous. >> don't you think it's about the facts and the evidence. we found out something that we didn't know before, that he was shot in the hand. we also fouchbtd out that the forensics were very compelling and told a story that was consistent with a story that officer wilson gave, and keep p in mind, bob, officer wilson who -- answer every single

question that they had. >> what do you mean an obligation? >> you don't have to testify and put a case against you. he absolutely had no obligation whatsoever. i have never even seen in the cases i have had that the person who was the subject of the investigation came forward and answered questions. and if greg was on there, or dana or you. the grand jury can process questions and say this is what we want to know. and he had to go through the whole rendition of the evidence. then they had all a the ballistics. this was as extensive as an actual jury trial for murder. >> more likely than not that a crime has been committed and that officer wilson is the one smoj. it's low compared to beyond a reasonable doubt. >> i tell you how these people think. does anybody believe that o.j.

simpson did not kill that woman? of course we did. it was a bad job of prosecuting. that's kmablgtly what they feel about this. >> as more evidence came out, it tended to junked might have been the e skemotional component of the -- immigration where activists create a false conflict between justice and safety, that if you want a secure community, somehow that's going to create an injustice against black males or illegal immigrants, but i believe, and most law abiding individuals believe that -- you can have a safe community that works together. just because you have more cops, doesn't mean you have less justice, but when you create that false conflict, you have an argument that leads nowhere but to violence. >> i was going to ask you, kimberly, sometimes you'll have

a hung jury, where the jury could not come to agreement, that's after the case has gone to a trial. but the grand jury, it doesn't appear that it does need to be unanimous. >> we are not allowed to know that. it's interesting, you know, bob, we zochbt know if the grand jury was racist, but the evidence is online. >> so the a jury vote on the grand jury. >> they're not racist, they're evidentists. >> next on "the five." can the rioters who looted stores in ferguson --

. to when buildings burn, any sympathy left goes up in smoke, when you see protesters bragging to police and watching things burn, it was a con due it for destruction, to ruin things that aren't yours and take things that aren't you r yours, it became a purge, for looting, vandalism and funk. you got to love creeps who scream for justice after tor torching a car. and a guy wearing a mask is almost always a man in his 30s, chances are he didn't have to get up for work this morning because he doesn't work. but if one burns businesses to the ground in your community, what does that say about your investment in that community? no person who loves ferguson would burn ferguson. of course they are outsiders, but outsiders are simply those out for themselves. it wasn't their wall greens that burns and it doesn't value if it doesn't cost you, looting is

redpribtation on meth. who are the other outsiders? isles an ugly game we perpetuate, we go and they perform. and when all that's left are sichbders, we can return to our cities, and our stores and our cafes will be fine, but ferguson is done, it's dead, you can't blame the cops for that. so eric, i just wanting to play this ferguson prosecutor, the most significant challenge is us. >> the most significant challenge encounters in this investigation has been the 24-hour news cycle and it's insatiable appetite for something, for anything to talk about, followed closely behijd the nonstop rumors on social media a. >> you see the fire, you see the cars star to shake, the cameras

goo there, the ratings go like this, we continue to do that, people realize that they're on tv, and they continue. we talk a lot about freedom of the press, freedom of speech, we want to know what's going on. and we for one would like to know what's going on in ferguson, as appear peazed to not knowing. it's a tight rope. >> it's an unspeakable truth, kimberly, that people go out and do this stuff because it's actually fun and we watch it because it's interesting. when i was looking at it, i was looking at our news stream, which was really bizarre because a they had commercials in between the riots. in between the destruction, there was all state insurance commercials. which was weird. >> that's ironic. >> but i saw more people filming than actually protesting. >> it becomes a whole spectacle and they'll go and they'll film and it sort of feeds upon itself. it's like it's chasing a tail,

around and around in a circle. eventually rome stops burning, then what's left? ferguson in tatters, the governor who should have had the national guard up, who was guilty of listening to the administration, then you'll be militarizing and you'll be part of the problem. try and put yourself forward, you know, try and be part of the police department, show that you care about the communities and the people and about making a change, being a positive force for change instead of just k34r5i7bing and rioting and stealing things that aren't yours. >> let's get back to the majority of the people in ferguson, the worls thing that happens to people who want a real dialogue about the underlying problems here, is this stuff, the people who want to believe that this is what happens in black approximate communities when you have riots and stuff, nobody sat down, if we could sit down and talk about education, the underlying

infrasfrur, the police, all that goes out the window when you start rioting. >> what about getting involved and giving back to the community. >> i had an idea, dana, it would have been cool, if perhaps there was a center where all the business owners could have gone to watch what was unfolding with the media, so the media would have sat there with the people watching their own community getting destroyed, what affect would that have had on the rest of us watching it? >> rather than having the cameras waiting to see people who were burning things down. >> yeah. >> i like it. there's no doubt that in the future, if none of the cable channels or none of the networks had sent reporters there, now there's a whole new dimension forage tate fors, for police, if you are able to be your own producer. i didn't even know what

youstream was until you told me about it and i checked it out. journalism needs to have a filter. but journalism versus advocacy are two different things and i think the line got blurred last night. >> speaking of journal oichl, if you want to googinginogle a sto. it's one of the best things written about what happened last night. you should check it out. >> she writes from such a -- well, obviously the perspective of a black woman, but also from the heart. she's got a raw style that's some of the best writing that you'll see. >> you'll see her on fox. >> you will. >> up next, an update from steve harrigan whofsz on the street last night.

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this is a fox news alert, the situation in forget soften quickly smir raled out of control after the announcement last night. >> eight shots, nine shots, let's go back, back, back, back. back, multiple shots fired. back now! >> and moments later, a masked looter smashed the camera on live tv. >> all right, you heard that, those watching at home, this is live television. how about those people who have masks on like that guy, hume people are covering themselves? >> steve harrigan with more on what he experienced last night. you have covered things all over the world. how do you feel about what happened last night and how things are shaping up for this evening?

>> reporter: i felt the scariest as i have ever been in the u.s. i have had bad feelings in afghanistan, i have had bad feelings in pakistan. but never in the u.s. you see what was a used car lot yesterday and these cars were smarveed and burned all night. a payday store has been burned, a conoco gas station has also been burned. a lot of people are waking up to this, coming out to take pictures as well, dana. >> what was year impression of the police? you seemed that u you might have been pretty critical of the response last night? >> reporter: yeah, it probably was critical, just in my sam chur, ignorant point of view, i figured they had three months to prepare for any substantial arrests. i thought that was a show of incompetence last night.

probably more by the higher ups than the police themselves that were doing the best they could. there were shots fired, at night, 100 gunshots, it's hard to go off into the darkness when that's happening. >> you get a sense of most of the people doing the looting and throwing his cocktails were from outside of ferguson, outside agitators or was it not clear? >> i think about 80% of the arrests for burglary were inside ferguson last night. so it seemed like a lot of locals, at least according to arrest records last night, bob. >> steve, i believe law enforcement said they're going to bring in the national guard tonight. are you seeing any presence of the national guard tonight and if so does it look like it's going to be substantial? what's your sense for tonight, put it that way? >> reporter: i saw some police officers in target today buying gloves and they said, we're going to bring it tonight, sort of off the record and i sense that there was a sense of failure, a sense almost of

embarrassment by the performance last night and i think a real calling from the mayor and everybody else, we want more troops out on the street, we don't want to see this happen again, so i they we're going to see a very strong, visible presence by law enforcement tofbt and athink a lot of people are hoping for that. >> when you saw the mayhem and the violence that was erupting in ferguson, at what point did you ask, where is the national guard, because that was promised, a state of emergency declared a week ahead and then all of a sudden, crickets, nothing, no one showed up? >> reporter: yeah, especially early on, and we were pretty much surrounded early on and i was league myself for some police officers, maybe to help us out, we were uncomfortable with people staying you look like darren wilson. and the firefighters under duress too, because there were

actually people taking slots at the firefighter. >> they had three months to get ready for this thing. they had to know they were the targets of these power bombs, however i didn't get a sense that there were players lining in front of those buildings. >> no, there weren't, there was perhaps this cooling off period to let them -- if the police were so unprepared and so under estimated the opponents, the biggest question is they don't really know their community. there's a huge gap here between people. i have had people come up to me just now, like where do you come from? why are you taking pictures?

there's one yelling at me now. >> we were talking about what leaders could possibly say anything that would make a difference. and maybe you don't have enough intel, but who on the groichbd, are you hearing that there would be anyone that could say anything, even if it was president obama that could help calm the situation? >>. >> reporter: i don't know the answer to this, this is a group, especially the younger males, this is a group they don't think is going to listen to a lot of the old time leadership, this is a gap or a gulf they don't bump into all that often in the u.s. >> all right, steve, we appreciate you being on "the five." when we come back, president obama addressed the nation on the ferguson decision last fwhooirlgt. did he set the right tone and is he going to head the ferguson himself?

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>> we have to lift them up and not deny them, what we need to do is understand them and figure out, how do we make more progress? and that can be done. that won't be done bay throwing bottles. that won't be done by smashing car windows, that won't be done by using this as an excuse to vandalize property and it certainly won't be done by hurting anybody. >> here's more from the president on the root of the problem. >> the fact is in too many parts of this country, a deep distrust exists between law enforcement and community as a cult. this is a result of poor race relations in this coin try. >> dana, what did you think about his tone? >> well, i think that the president had -- i think that was the right call for him to make a statement last night. i think it's unfortunate that he

did not watch the prosecutor mccullough's statement and i think that would have helped the president, rather than just being brief, he's kind of caught between a rock and a hard place, if he had not come out and spoken. people would have said he did not come out and speak and that led to more rioting. and the president is being himself. i could have wished for him to be a little bit stronger. but i think on balance, it was the right decision that he made. >> you're usually very critical of the president. see anything that you liked? >> the first sound bit, he called for calm. and he did what he hoped the president would do, calm the breaking windows and breaking bottles and car windows does no good. but the second sound bite, he goes into the racial divide and how law enforcement in communities of color that are on a divide and high lights the divide that is at the very center of what's going on in ferguson. it's my opinion it wasn't 20

minutes after a grand jury decides not to indict officer wilson. >> you could also say whether you believe that to be true or not. >> i just don't think he should have been highlighting the issue of race. i think he had a calm tone, okay, however, as a prosecutor who worked in communities that are heavily stricken with violence, gang violence and stuff, i had so many u amazing witnesses from those communities that cared deeply that were minority, african-american and latino communities that came forward because they wanted something to be done and they were deeply appreciative of the police officers there making it safe for their children to go to school, and for them to go to work in the morning. make sure you know what you're talking about if it's not going to help the situation. >> i kind of agree with eric, i think that the first part was -- there needed to be a second part to the mistrust, for example, policing is in the a one-way street. >> uh-huh. >> no one is trying to keep blacks off the force.

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m. all right, it's time for one more thing. i'm going to kick it off. if you didn't zee it last night, this was really heart warming, wat. take a look at willie robinson's response. >> i was really moved by it too over there. >> he was rocking away. >> you saw that awesome shot of your dad just getting so emotional. what does everybody's support mean to you? >> it means to me to have the whole world cheering me on, my family and friends texting me u it's been a blast. >> that's really heart warming, a great family, great people. love him to pieces, and she can dance, there you goo. they just don't have duck call

ability in that family. there's nothing i like more than a -- take a look at this. it's so sweet, we have 41 and former first lady on the kiss cam at the game. this is so romantic and adorable. awwww. after 69 years of marriage, the fire is still alive. >> 69. >> good thing the kiss cam is not a kiss cam for you and bob. >> so appropriate for a family show. physical affection. >> it's time for something new. >> up with chuck. yes, it's another golden moment for chuck todd as he expresses his love for his king. he's a very likable guy. >> i agree. >> he's very friendly. i mean he's very easy to talk to. you do, you sit here and you have these off the record sessions, you have had them, they're just very nourishing conversations. >> yes, very nourishing conversations with president obama, he's like a delicious cupcake.

>> okay, so, november is national adoption month and there are, according to the congressional coalition on adoption, more than 100,000 children in america who are up for adoption in the united states, and this family in nebraska has dean their fair share, adopting ten, they're just about to their 10th sibling to make sure that their own child could have all of their brothers and sisters together in one spot. this is an amazing family from lincoln, nebraska, congratulations on your new baby and thank you for all you've done. >> i want to say to the berry family, which i well know, marion barry was a very good friend of mine. he came to d.c., he was elected to mayor three times, then came back and got elected again. a lot of things are controversial about marion ba

barry, but people loved him and i'll miss him. stay tuned for "special report." i will see you in a few days. this is a fox news alert, i'm bret baier in washington. we are awaiting new remarks from president obama in chicago who's expected to once again appeal for calm in the wake of last night's grand jury decision, not to indict a ferguson, missouri police officer for the shooting death of an unarmed african-american man. the president's first attempt last night failed to deter the violence. he'll be speaking to this audience in chicago momentarily. meanwhile, it's just past sunset in ferguson and both sides on the michael brown issue are bracing for possibly another night of protests and potential violence. correspondent mike toobin is live in ferguson. hello, mike. >> reporter: hello,