now. "outnumbered" starts right now. ♪ ♪ harris: figure for joining us on "outnumbered." i am harris faulkner. in today's hash tag, will it's good to see you. melissa, it's your first time on the show. melissa: yes, i made the big time. [laughter] >> thank you for having me. >> there's a lot of love there. and now you are here on "outnumbered." melissa: i can't wait. harris: more unrest overnight,

protesters trashed cars and protested. police say that there were less violence and fewer arrests, the national guard was tripled in force to help to keep things calm. that may have helped and we will talk about that soon. many people, especially those who saw businesses burned to the ground questioned by the national guard was not underutilized in the first place. after all, state and local authorities from the governor on down had more than three months to get ready for this. let's start there. pete, you've been a longtime member of the national guard. what happened in that. >> these are military police. the first principle is prevention. and so that is what they want to do is to protect critical infrastructure and they were deployed to protect the fire station. but nothing was done in the key locations of businesses and you

know it wasn't because the commander didn't want to do that. there were political calculations and decisions being made at the state level as well as the white house. it's basically the worst of both worlds, they got the presence of troops about the protection and if you're going to have them, use them. harris: it's interesting that you say that. there was this preminger set up and national guard members were part of the preminger but they were actually deployed to go inside. >> you can anticipate movements. we know that convenience stores are a symbol of this at times. and if you're reacting to this, that is when it's dangerous to those involved. but if you anticipated, the military police are good at that. >> megyn kelly interviewed rudy judi on rudy giuliani. then i want to talk about this. she asked him whether or not whether governor nixon was over his head. and she said that he looked

nervous. >> that's never good. you need to put forth aces façade because people sense that if you are out of control, the people that are at home, the elderly, the kids come in the people that are nervous about where they live, that's going to make the situation even worse and it almost gives carte blanche to the rioters and looters and aggregators out there and honestly there is something much greater at work because yesterday we talked about what made the writing stop in los angeles. and upon further consideration it was when the national guard came in and when we had men and women on our street corner and you knew that it was more serious. releasing the information at 8:00 p.m. and i, had they activated a week earlier, why were they there? >> getting to the economics, but before we do, i want to stick with the political notion. why do this at night? i've talked to judges and people in the legal community who know the federal process very well

and they said that you can do it anytime. that there was probably no good time to do this but it is part of the situation. >> i want to talk about something that pete said. we have heard for the last couple of months at the police are acting like military, the militarization of the cops, from the white house we have heard, from the president, that the cops have been too heavy-handed in ferguson. so it was a calculated decision by the police, i think, to pull back that first night. and i thought, oh, what are they going to say next? there wednesday where are the police, that's what they did the next day. and i think that this is an important point because look at what we are doing to the police and communities. if you start to say things like eric holder said today, i'm going to take federal action to restore this, you put pressure on cops not to do their jobs,

and this is what we saw happen in ferguson. and now everyone is asking where the police are. they are darned if they don't and darned if they don't. harris: and put them in danger. you know? and when you tell communities that one side is not fair, let's talk money. the city is like this. before this ever happened they were having economic woes that were headlines on the news. we talked to so many business owners. not just the ones that were ransacked, but a lot of business leaders in the community that we have already been having a really hard time. unemployment in the area is ohio, one of the reasons you do see many people out on this read during the day, unemployment is high and they were already struggling. one of the areas trying to recover from the recession, this has not helped in any way. charlie gasparino was doing a lot of reporting on the network

and what happens to the value of anyone's home as they stay there? would you go and buy a home or sent kids to school in this district and the damage from this is so much longer than the groups the cayman to agitate. when they are all gone from the economic damage is heartbreaking. >> the citizens are coming out in the streets, talking with neighbors and the people who were there on tuesday morning. trying fruitlessly and helplessly to clean up. those are the people for whom my heart breaks. especially the older citizens who have been through it and have been hard hit by the economic recession. melissa: there's even a business owner whose store had been looted. and he stayed open. he came back and he cleaned up and he said i believe in this town, i'm committed to it. i'm a citizen. and he got ransacked again. it is heartbreaking. >> yes, it is.

harris: in the meantime, the man that fired those shots in august speaking out for the first time since the grand jury decision was handed down. officer darren wilson telling bush that the novelist that he has a clean conscience because he says he knows that he did his job right. and he insists that michael brown would be alive today if the young man had listened to his command. he described the final moments before he fired those fatal shots. >> after he was coming at me and i decided to shoot, they asked what i saw. what did you see? welcome i know one of them hit him, after that i caused, giving him the opportunity to stop. and he ignored all the commands and he just kept running. so after he kept running again, i shot another shot and at least one of those hit him. well, this time coming he was about 15 feet away and so i

start backpedaling and he's still not stopping. he gets eight to 10 feet and he starts to lean forward like he's going to tackle me and i saw the bullet went into his head. >> he says that he is sorry that they lost their son but he would've done nothing differently. he said i was going through lose my life, i had to make a decision. there's a lot of people critical of his tone. so as someone that has had this kind of training, ac trained to speak about these things without a motion? because he didn't seem sorry, some say. >> it was a split second decision, the kind that soldiers make on the battlefield this is a man content with the decision that he made. he's not trained on media to emote about what he did or didn't do, he reacted to it very critical decision that he made and he's right not to second-guess that. and so if he believes each of

the steps that he needed to take, in light of what he saw in the moment, you have to put yourself in the moment, i think that he is relating the simple fact and internalizing it a thousand times over by now as well. this is months and months after the case. i know guys like this and he was just wanting to do his job. >> no police officer wants to shoot anybody. his life is ruined, his career is ruined, this is not a decision that he wanted to make. >> it's funny that you talk about that. my brother is a former cop and that is who i see one i watched this interview. but i also know talking to my brother that you have heed verbal commands and he should have had a teaser gone. he said that he didn't. and he knows about would have worked if he had a taser. and he said he had a couple of

tools before using deadly force. melissa: i've talked to people and i watched the interview very closely, he doesn't seem like he's lying and you get that sense of somebody who sits across from folks all the time that are in situations. >> i want to go back to this point about what is happening because we see it in new york. the direction is headed and it is a scary one where police are told that they are scared, lose your license or pension or go into these communities of high crime. if cops are scared to do their jobs, who suffers the most than max. >> blue dial 911, because you expect them to answer the call no matter what. and one of the things that resonated with me was what officer wilson said after he said that he had a clean conscience that he knows that he did their job. he said he would have made that

decision had brown been a white man. what that tells me is not only is he a piece with what he did but he knowledges where we are right now. he's the situation and i agree with melissa that he's meeting it with honesty and he's had time to process this. how do we know that because most people like to make themselves look good. this doesn't make him look good. the fact that he had other options, i don't know. but the fact that he would bring that up doesn't make him look good. he's saying that in my humble opinion is there were african american witnesses as you read through the individuals who corroborated his story. >> to your link, escalation of force you always want to use. and once you reach for your gun you can can't go back. it's like going back to holding hands with uganda third-base.

[applause] harris: president obama raising eyebrows with his speech in chicago defending his action on illegal immigration who he says is the only group of people who have a right complain about immigrants and a big diss to the president and his party. oh yes, chuck schumer will not get him invited to thanksgiving at the white house. we will have that up next (vo) rush hour around here starts at 6:30 a.m. - on the nose. but for me, it starts with the opening bell. and the rush i get, lasts way more than an hour. (announcer) at scottrade, we share your passion for trading. that's why we've built powerful technology to alert you to your next opportunity. because at scottrade, our passion is to power yours. i have a cold.

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>> why he didn't, i don't know. but he did say that his plan does not apply to anyone who has come to this country recently or who might come illegally in the future because borders do mean something. >> not according to the logic that he used. [laughter] >> we have artificially created this and nor does this. >> he said very clearly that americans should not favor other americans over foreigners. this is part of the borderless world that he lives in and the tolerance that he espouses all the time. and anyone else would seek to exploit that power for their own gains. it's about illegal activities. >> words that he used one exactly correct. he talked about not wanting other folks to come in. but i don't think they necessarily want to pay to support more folks that come in

and there is a concern. we welcome anyone who wants to work and pay taxes that will be a giver to the system instead of a taker. the cbo recently said supercenter people get more out of this is him. >> there's an argument and let's be honest, we are first-generation americans and we have parents that were born and we are both givers. and though is that there's no one that the to trust them more than other romanians. how if you don't have a job, you can't complain. and of course you have the right

to complain. and you are taking more college to medicare employee people, president obama has legalized more than jobs have created. you have a right to complain. >> we also don't have the infrastructure. i'm just guessing, i'm not going to pigeonhole all of you externally. but i may be more pro-immigration than a lot of people that i work with which is fine. but the problem is that we cannot support it. >> i don't agree with that. >> i don't agree. i think most people are pro-immigration, giving people an opportunity to follow their dreams. what the president is trying to do is move the line on what is illegal immigration and we need to have more to face this.

and we won't have a bigger conversation than him telling us not to complain. and those people get his attention. because they didn't vote, they stayed home. >> everyone has a right to complain, whether it's about a way that immigration is run, which is a mess, and i think most people would agree. if you voted and pay taxes, i'm sorry. and now, there are concerns about the benefits that can go to millions of illegal immigrant protected from deportation if they pay taxes. "the washington post" reporting that they may be eligible to receive social security, medicare, disability benefits, they will not be eligible for financial aid. but food stamps and housing subsidies and they won't be able to buy health insurance through the federal health care exchange. we touched on this briefly that

can people who have come to this country that has not come into this office, can they get medicaid? is, they can come of 42% are enrolling. and they are predominantly immigrants that are reliant on government. and we want to give people the opportunity, but we don't want them to drain drainer system and the first thing that i thought about was the then president obama promises repeatedly that illegals would not be allowed to take advantage of our benefits including obamacare. so i had the fox news. judge this up. >> there's no plan that's ever been considered under health care reform in congress that covers illegal immigrants. nobody is proposing that. and huge percentage leaves that that is the case. and so anyone listening right now, that is something that we

need to dispel the myth. >> also looking into this, they don't have the same mandate when you go and if you have a job. employers don't have to provide health care and they don't face the same penalty. so to 3000-dollar incentive to hire someone who is an illegal immigrant. >> if you have a small business, what are you going to do we have small-business owners and the one positive thing that i will say about it is social security is a ponzi scheme and you need workers to pay into it. and we are on a collision course with all of our entitlements and yes, you will have workers paying into it. >> milton friedman said that you can't have open borders and an open welfare system, you have to put a wall around one or the other. >> where you put your wall? >> to have to secure the border for first, but the larger

problem is entitlement. >> i don't think we have very many in this way. >> they said they wouldn't cost us anything and they did this based on the fact that illegals would not be able to get obamacare. >> the whole thing was shoehorned with a pack of lies. and it's a wonderful way of getting to grandma's that might take a little longer this thanksgiving. harris: thanks to the big blob on the map, it ain't nor'easter. coming up next, senator chuck schumer, one of the most powerful democrats on to capitol hill on obamacare.

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>> okay, so melissa francis. ♪ >> we are going to make up this sign. >> it's snowing, but it's not sticking to the streets in manhattan so far, it could make heading home for the holidays amax. ben janice dean is next. oh, man, it is that already own the and it's very popular.

>> yeah, at the airport. because the delays are incredible, ladies and gentlemen. take a look at this, we have this nor'easter, it has decided to visit us on the busy travel day of the year. three hour delays and these are on average and it's just going to get worse because the storm is winding down. it's progressively getting stronger as it moves forward. especially west of the court or where we can see over a foot of snow. a mixture of rain and we are getting reports of sweet in the manhattan area, sleet and snow and rain for all of the big cities east of interstate 95. snow event and that is where we could get some totals. one to 2 inches in philadelphia,

but we are right on that fine line between the rain and the snow and the sleet. we could up the totals throughout the afternoon. but taking a look, west of those cities is where we are going to get over a foot. that is why people are having to pack this. there is your wednesday travel all all along the corridor. upper midwest we are dealing with a clipper system in the northern rockies as well. looking good across the southeast, but you know that we have delays and that is a ripple effect. if you travel, don't be surprised if you have to pass the time with a good book. >> i hadn't heard of before now, and now i have. one, it looks like your little boy at got crazy with the crayons and second, you called it a jackpot. [laughter] >> we learned a lot today.

[laughter] so okay, in the midterms earlier this month, senator chuck schumer of new york saying that the party made a mistake pushing through the president's signature law instead of helping the middle class more directly. he added that the american people have given democrats an opportunity and they blew it. keep in mind, he is the third highest-ranking democrat in the senate and he voted for obamacare. and so i'm speechless. are all of these democrats coming out of the woodwork and they are screaming that this is a problem. but what you make of that now? >> what he's doing is he's setting up a way to work with republicans were going to control the senate in january.

so that they can dismantle obamacare. and of course they were tone deaf heard we could not afford it then, we cannot afford it now, premiums are about to spike and it's unpopular now, it's going to be mythically awful in the next two years. >> health care was a legitimate problem, they created a solution where almost everyone ended up paying more. and there are people that benefited at the bottom that didn't have any insurance, but for everyone else, it only got worse. >> that's right, premiums have gone through the roof and deductibles have been high. most are turning to charity care to supplement because they can't afford it. and so this is all raw politics, and giving democrats, i believe, cover for the next election round and they don't have to be for obamacare, but they can be against it. and when they like something, there's a problem.

>> what you have seen from chuck schumer was a breaking of the narrative thing that obama made some mistakes that we went along with this and we don't know how to govern. and they were not attuned to the real problem and i think that they are trying to break that divide and they are governing, it has nothing to do with this policy. and that is the only narrative. melissa: debate heating up after a school decided to change the name of a christmas break to be more politically correct.

[inaudible] [inaudible] melissa: if that isn't enough, another teacher trying to cancel a field trip to the nutcracker ballet. because non-christians could be offended. is this another example of going bananas?

harris: this is "outnumbered." dealing with trying to take christmas out of the holidays. the school board voted to change christmas break to holiday break. thousands of residents have

petition to keep the school for making that change, some putting up signs demanding to bring christmas back, over 4000 of them. meanwhile, about 40 miles north they reportedly canceled a trip to see the nutcracker, a holiday favorite come over complaints that a christmas tree appears on stage during the ballet. parents were so outraged that the group reversed its decision. the pc police are ravenous and out of control. and they have whittled away each and every decision like this. >> they are the fun police, taking away all of the fun. i can't stay outrage for every single topic really talk about. so this one, this is what most put a lot of time and effort and money into.

they are talking about it, they are concerned about it. and so that is insane. and so that is the road that we are going to throughout the history book before you drive down the street. >> my girls are actually dancing in that in the nutcracker. so i'm a little confused. >> thank you. [laughter] >> but my point is that it's a holiday tradition not necessarily christmas, but it does have a christmas tree in it and it is a christmas tradition for some of us. but it doesn't take anything away. >> it's a holiday and i will say that to my friends, they are the first ones to call and say merry christmas. if you have a great understanding of freedom of

religion as opposed to freedom from religion, and that is part of it. >> i don't write on my card merry christmas because half of my relatives are jewish. and so there are people that we must say very christmas to everyone. >> how about merry christmas and happy holidays. >> i am so cheap, just write it in. [talking over each other] >> and sometimes you just need to put a little red nosed reindeer they are. >> what about nutcracker and? [laughter] >> we want to get as close as

possible. >> let's get back to the show now. [laughter] >> chuck hagel says it was entirely voluntary. but as the search continues for his replacement, the top choices already saying things, but no thanks. and should stores stay open on thanksgiving? or can you are add weight

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>> your we are waiting for you to come back. first, we have jon scott with what is coming up in the second hour of happening now. >> many locations around the nation, smaller, less violent protest, but still frightening for some people. and protesters right now blocking a major freeway in los angeles, the 101 freeway partially blocked in one direction and we have live coverage including out there with adam housley.

and more snow headed for boston. weather delays expected to increase throughout the day. we are keeping an eye on the dow jones, down slightly, still it has been able run on wall street and we will have an update from the floor of the new york stock exchange on this day before thanksgiving. harris: it is turkey day he herriot happy thanksgiving. >> it's a big debate that we have been having, and i guess the we will have it in public. should stores be open on thanksgiving or not? many are offering bargain deals during the thanksgiving holiday and among them, target, macy's, coles, toys "r" us. some other stores stay in close status. only 18% plan to bargain on thanksgiving day. many say that means 11% will

actually go shopping during the thanksgiving holiday. so shop or don't shop. >> i eat myself into oblivion and then i sort of passed out on the couch. i know why retailers are doing a lot of this, trying to get people out of the door. they have $350 million every day, they are desperate to get people shopping on thursday and friday. and they are doing a great job. they are putting out black friday deals all the time. every day it's everywhere and that is what making the stores so desperate. there are people that will line up. and i don't know, maybe they hate their parents cooking. >> maybe they hate america. [laughter] [laughter] >> i'm trying to be the anchor

on the show. [laughter] and i don't know if those metaphors necessarily blend with one another. but i have to agree that if you're shopping on thanksgiving, you might have problems. and young and old alike, you go and you do a little bit of digital shopping, you see what shows up. >> i did that once and instead i got expects of four glasses. [laughter] >> you know, i always liked that passing out after eating. >> i do think that slightly buzzed shopping is effective. >> watching football, that is

american. >> are the deals that are on thanksgiving? >> i think that they make you think that. it depends on where you're going, they trick you into thinking that. and you hear those complaints every year how there are ads and now amazon is matching everything, so they are making it rough with the retailers out there and it's so much trouble. >> you have target that is trying to say competitive and i think that that's really interesting. >> it's food and family, that's what holidays are all about. >> that's big in my house. thanksgiving is the biggest holiday in the house because it's no presence. >> what is your favorite? sure, there's turkey and mashed potatoes, but what about frog

rice salad or dirt putting? we will tell you some popular web searches for foods coming up next. ♪ ♪ will

♪ ♪ (laughter) >> all right. as families get ready to sit down for thanksgiving diner, we look at which recipes people are searching for on line. there is pumpkin whoopie pie is most searched in new hampshire and maine. no pork products used. and west virginia, dore jerky. and nebraska. and candy bars and green smith apple whipped screen. and fog salad. made it pasta and egg yolks.

>> the slap salad on the back of that and made it something. prettyzel and snicker salad. cheating my friends. my husband prefers his mother's cooking than mine. i do a party bus to take us somewhere else. and i want to be honest about that. and i want to be honest about that. but what i will try this year for christmas is a bacon wrapped your floor manager is mine at espn. and you wrap bacon on the outside of the turkey and it is instead of butter and bacon is my middle name and having more bacon? >> that is a great recipe. >> i thought it was. >> no. it is wrapped in bacon. >> honoring my indiana roots

persimmon. persimmon but we have a 250-year-old recipe from his aunt karen for thanksgiving. for indian stuffing. >> i love a good box of stovetop, but like mullis i'm making reservations. but i love this and i know there is potato filling and red and a girl has to have bread filling. what they call ches nuts? >> it is crrispy. >> giblets. yes. pete, your turn. >> pink jell-o. two buns and mountain of pink jell-o. and blind taste test and

everybody tried to recreate it. >> why do you do that? >> and it is at flavor and cool whip. >> it is whipped and not a dessert. >> it is an entry. >> not the ban. she said noise things about you. harris falker, what is the specialities. >> shirley's sweet potato. we don't do pumpkin at my household. i tried to make it from scratch with the filling and i pay the 3.89 and i couldn't get the strings out. and there is a good reason why companies do it. and i have a trick for making a homemade crust. cut the butter in the nower. freeze the stick of butter and great it in. >> i cut my in cubes. >> grate it in your crust will be flakier.

>> i have no idea what you are talking about. we are back here on friday. noon eastern "happening now" starts right now. "happening now" in st. louis. you can so the swat team assembled there. outside of the federal courthouse. st. louis, a 15 minute drive from ferguson, missouri where all of the trouble began over the michael brown shooting. and the swat team has assembled. there is a group of protestors that gathered outside of the old courthouse in downtown st. louis and marched on the federal courthouse and they are getting more and more unruly and not organized said our producer on the scene. and unruly enough that they called out the swat team. they are live pictures coming in to us from downtown st. louis.