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evil, not exceptional. takingsu.dñ political correctne dangerous places and leaving parents out of the loop and in the dark. while the problem is popping up more and more in grade schools, juéo5ñ often at its worst on college campuses where far dominates and even domestic terrorists are welcome to teach. over the past few months we've introduced you to a few of them, bill ayers, ward churchill. but tonight we look much deeper into america's education system investigating why the left is so interested in schools, what they're teaching your kids and how it's shaping our society. we begin with trace gallagher reporting. >> during a lesson about symbols and their hxxmeaning, a south carolina teacher decided to stomp on the american flag saying the flag was symbolic and actions would have noka.( ramifications. he was wrong.

protest was placed on leave and eventually agreed to resign for an $85,000 payout. at lumberton high school, texas, as part of a world geography lesson on islam, some female students dressed up and were photographed weardmwing burkas. parents bothered by the images. >> they touched on israel and talked about palestine and went straight onto --:%t one of the things i would say focused on iñ islam. never touched on christianity. >> the school defended the teacher's actions saying "the lesson is not teaching a specific religion. and the students volunteered to wear the clothing. during a spanish class at another texas high school, sophomore brenda lbksbrinsdon refused to say the pledge of allegiance -- the mexican pledge of allegiance. she was punished. in return she sued the school nothing to do with learning

spanish. >> i was just like, no, i'm not going to do this. i don't believe they should have done it at all. >> after the story got national media attention, she claimed she was no longer allowed to attend class resulting in a failing grade. >> it is illegal to compel an american student to recite the ]> in connecticut a high school senior is doing on-campus research for a debate on gun contg7 pro-gun control websites were readily accessible, buta!/ñ the national rifle association website was blocked. so 18-year-old andrew lampart expanded his research and found right to life groups were blocked, planned parenthood not blocked, the u vatican website blocked, islamguide.com easily accessible. >> it should be the other way around. should be unblocked so students can get different viewpoints from different sides of each argument.

>> the school district losaid i would look to unblock the appropriate websites. and ho.w is this for a homework assignment, sixth graders in d.c. were asked to compare two men who abused 14 their power. the first, adolf hitler. the second, george w. bush. d.c. public schools later said the+ld4p teacher showed extreme poor judgment. but it's not just elementary education. in just the last year "the kelly file" has covered numerous cases on america's college2mñoz campu. remember university of california at santa barbara feminist studies professor, shen campus so offensive she took matters into her own hands. >> she's a professor and she si. >> she's a thief. she's a professor. % terrorist. >> things got physical when the

protester followed her. >> don't touchlw&$u me. >> the two sisters involved in the dust up decided to go to court and spoke to "the kelly file." >> i mean, no one has the right to take someone else's property like that. i mean, i'm sorry if these signs offended her in any÷zf>ñ way. at the time claimed the images of aborted babies upset her. the judge ordered her to attend conflict rolution classes, but ucsb did not publicly reprimand her. and she is still a o;chxprofess. science class at the university of southern california would be fair andkmynñ balanced. not if professor dar ri shragode is teaching. >> -- 30% -- [ inaudible ] >> that was recorded in class. >> i thought it was ridiculous our tuition money is being used for this and that these professors are instead ofqnç empowering students with knowledge so they can choose for themselves, they just useà9sñ

their -- it's not happening that way. they do not endorse the statements expressed by faculty, they do protect their right to express them. a leading democratic campaign strategist for many years is still anna ajung kathy bodine, a far left radical convicted of felony murder after robbing a brinks truck is nowvn professor. once on the fbi's ten most was at university. and neither will conspiracy theories excl1 richard falk who worked with the united nations and entertains the idea of u.s. government involvement in the 9/11plifñ at is professor emeritus of international law and politics at princeton. and recently two of the most infamous liberal college professors in the nation sat down with "the kelly file." bill ayers, co-founder of the

weather underground, a group weather underground, a groupnyp capitol building and the pentagon in the 1970s. he is now a retired professor at the university of illinois at chicago. and apparently 40 years later his anti-government stance has softened, at least when it comes to his salary. >> do you see any irony in accepting a government paycheck -- >> absolutely not. what's the irony? >> than a life opposing government regime, wanting to throw down the government as you put it. >> well, look, we all live in the actual world. even the things we're critical of, i mean, this is the world we live in.j/9ñ should i not make a live sng. >> and ward churchill, a professor of ethnic studies at the university of colorado boulder for seven years. during that time he wrote several academic articles including one where he claimed the u.s. was to blame for the 9/11 attacks on the world trade center. churchill even compared financial workers at the towers the holocaust. although he was fired by the university of colorado in 2007,

his teaching continues. >> is there a university that is still in the market for ward churchill's thoughts? >> there's universities all over the country in the market for ward churchill's thoughts. >> trace gallaghll fox news. >> well, in his new⌟ldocumentar, america, filmmaker dinesh d'souza joins us to explain who's behind it, where it's going and what the results may be when we return with who's teaching your kids. >> just showed you 30% of registration in the states because they're really stupid. and racist, but. nyquil cold and flu liquid gels don't unstuff your nose. really? alka-seltzer plus night rushes relief to eight symptoms of a full blown cold including your stuffy nose. (breath of relief) oh, what a relief it is. thanks. anytime. but the comfort it provides is it's justimmeasurable.ece

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praise. and bill ayers, a domestic terrorist and former university out bombing this country again. some of these men actually taught at public universities. their salaries funded by the taxpayers. just a fewknfg gallagher showedp2he us some questionable lessons from inside the classroom. pass? and what does it mean about our country? dinesh d'souza is creator of the hit film "america" now out on dvd. dinesh, good to see you. you tell me whether there is a difference between folks like ayers and churchill who hate america. i mean, they don't believe that this is a country that's done any good in the world. and those who we listen to who want people to stomp on, you know, a piece of paper that has jesus written on it who want to tell the class that republicans are stupid, that they are racist, that they are lazy, that they are2qvmñrcup losers. the people who want to rip on republicans as opposed to rip on america. are these two different strains

megyn, we're looking at ñ&c'ycontinuum of leftism. different than the 1960s. in the 1960s many of these people thought of themselves as revolutionaries of one sort or the other. they were kind of hoping out of the ashes of the vietnam war would come massive social transformation. some like bill ayers like bomb things. ward hill doing military training for the black panthers h7cw other radical groups. now, all of that ended in despair and ended with reagan being elected in 1980. the '60s in a sense disintegrated. so a lot of the radicals went into a huddle. and they said to themselves how do we revive? how do we come back? we're not going to get the revolution we had hoped for. and they realized, well, the way to come back is to actually penetrate the very institutions that they were once protesting. one time these guys were

standing outside the president's shouting and kicking over waste paper basket. and now those same guys have become deans, and they've become college presidents or distinguished professors. and even though in the '60s they talked about free speech. you might remember the berkeley free speech movement of the '60s. none of them really believe in free speech for people who disagree with them. they want to use the weapon of free speech so that they could speak, but the moment they got into these institutions they became extremely intolerant of opinions that disagreed with theirs. >> yeah, like the one woman, the professor we saw tearing down the student, the young woman carrying that pro-life sign. only the professor's message counted. not anybody else's. here's my question for you, why and how do we have so many -- we're not talking about left. a lot of people liberal in the country. we're talking about far left, like ward and bill ayers, and then sort of a more radical left, if you will. the folks who are just angry,

right? they're just angry. like going out there saying republicans are all racist. liberals don't talk like that. they disagree. but they're not out there saying you need to hate the other side. so the question is how do thes] people get into institutions like princeton,[z>p columbia, n. you name it, these are storied >> absolutely. megyn, when i was a student a couple of decades ago, i would say there were two groups of liberals who were on the hcao dartmouth campus. there was a group of old line liberals. and these were classical liberals. they believe in economic redistribution, but they also liked america.

they've moved on. and this younger, more radical group, has now become the mainstream and are using their power, the power to -- tenure. remember the professor is in great power visa vee the student dependent on the grade. so they're able to use this power to promote their own ideology and very open about doingd$o÷it. >> that's the rug. because it's one thing!qlto hav views, but it's another to be in a position of authority over young and impressionable people. we're going to have a guest coming up shortly after you that's going to say this is not true, that this indoctrination thing is a myth and most of these are '60s radicals who are moving out, bernadine dohrn, she's no longer at northwestern because she nñretired. moving out is what he's going to say. then he's going to say the professors may be liberal but the students are liberal too so they're really not doing any damage. >> first of all, the thing to realize is guys like ayersá,&o n

if they don't have an official position on the campus, they have moved out. they've moved out of the universities now into the high schools and into the elementary schools. ayers is one of the most influential people in the so-called campus reform movements in the country. and by the way this is a guy who went to venezuela, this is the venezuela of the dictator hugo chavez, and openly said this venezuelan dicta torn system offin doctrine nation is the one of his model for the united states. so here are parents, alumni funding these colleges. they're innocently sending their 18-year-olds off to college or in some cases off.oyñ to prep ás. they're entrusting these faculty with their children. and they don't realize that they're actually subsidizing the promulgation of values which undermines everything they believe, the patriotism, the christianity that they have taught their children from the time they were young. these are being actively subverted by this new generation of campus radicals.

the protesters with the pro-life signs who recorded what happened to them with the one professor, or the kid who$c> you have to remember that the liberal idealogue on campus don't care about anybody. they don't care about the administration because they have tenure. they don't care about parents.

one philosopher said is to take your parents values and undermine them systematically. i consider your parents to be radical riodsñú wing fundamentalists and it's my mission to undo what the damage they've already done to your souls. these are how professors talk. they feel unaccountable to legislatur legislatures, unaccountable to alumni, unaccountable to parents. >> that's like what churchill told me writing the 9/11 victims in the world trade center. he said everyone had read my book, everyone read my %dúypiec. it was fine on campus. i wasn't per son na nongrat ta until the national media got a hold of this. one of the people we're going to talk to today is somebody who's looked at the public schools and no matter how radical, no matter how bad, no matter what they do. how big a threat is that in this bigger problem? or is that just a separate issue

that the unionization and power in public schools? >> well, anything that makes a teacher unresponsive, unaccountable, in a sense lets them run amuck, i mean long-term. in the short-term you can do an expose and i can do hit-and-run lectures on campus and try to provide a small counter or we can show a film as a screening on campus. but i think long-term you have to create new institutions using new technology that are able to undermine the monopoly that these leftist have over increasingly secondary and elementary education. >> the examples when we started to actually look into this were -- there were many of%cboñ. tov=3ñ mention this charmer, we liberty university in west virginia said she banned her9f students from citing fox news because she finds it cringe worthy and doesn't want to be subject to this bias news station.

well, you're in the minority for that, stephanie. dinesh, good to see you. >> pleasure. >> stephanie doesn't want to beç subjected. okay. good luck with that. coming, up, study done just a few years ago found fewer than 15% of college professors, less than one in seven, call themselves conservative. and when one of those few conservatives was recently attacked for his thinking, his ethic response got national attention. professor mike adams is next. systematic abuses of free speech tremendous double standards that were going on.

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welcome back to our "the kelly file" special, who is teaching our kids. they used to describe college

campuses as a sanctuary for tolerance and free speech. speakers that don't tow the line are finding themselves banned. our next guest is a tenure ( to thinking is a tenure after receiving an angry note from a critic. that critic accused this conserve tiff teacher of "bein'q the biggest embarrassment to higher education in america." our guest took exception to that and his epic public response went viral. mike adam ss a professo"tbt of criminology. professor, thank you for being here. so they thought you were the biggest embarrassment to higher education. you said upon further study it appears you weren't the biggest embarrassment to professors in you had a long list of people you felt were more embarrassing than you. maybe walk us through a few examples. i got a letter from ed, an e-mail actually from ed who is one of mylbl)÷ critics and he r

something i written on townhall.com. and couldn't believe that a traditional marriage. said you're the biggest embarrassment to the united states of america. so i decided to publish absurdities i'd heard about over the years. and it's gb?uincredible as you through the list. you see many of the examples come from higher education here in the state of north carolina within the unc system. and you also notice a lot of the resource centers and lgbt centers, which is a huge part of the problem. because in your special you've been talking a lot about college professors and they are indeed a big problem. but we also had the administrators who set up these administrative offices and campaign for unrestricted abortion and gay rights. and they do a lot of things that are just political in nature and very radical and often highly sexualized in nature. and it really doesn't have anything to do with scholarship at all.

and that's why i often refer to the unc system as the dnc system. >> one of the examples you gave was a university that encouraged folks to go to an abortion event. you call it a pro-abortion event, i say pro-choice. in any event there were t-shirts that read, i had an abortion, to celebrate your abortion. you may feel one way or the other on abortion, but to run out there loud and proud celebrating the end of a pregnancy is a little beyond. >> oh, yeah. that was actually on our campus at the womens resource center. they were selling t-shirts that said, i had an abortion, to unc wilmington students to wear around campus to brag about the fact they'd had abortions. we had other events like that. our lgbt center leader and womens resource center leader were recently photographed in front of a sign on campus that said good women have abortions. so they're actually celebrating it. not only that but they'll

sponsor groups and refuse to participate in events with pro-life groups. they choose sides on controversial issues chl and they're just paid to advance their politics. the taxpayers have to pay for it. that's the real tragedy. >> well, what of the argument that the professors reflect the student body as opposed to the student body reflecting the professors? you know, they come in, they're 18, they tend to be, you noi, more left leaning. most folks do when they're young and conservative as they get older. what of that argument? >> that's just false. in fact, it's backwards. what we find is about two-thirds of the church going kids who go off to college at 18 leave the church. many of them abandon their faith. well why? because they walk into the classroom and they're experiencing not a university, not a free and open marketplace of ideas, but instead an ideological ecochamber. and that's the shame. and the response to that is to

take a look at liberal or leftist professors and shut them down, it's to expand the marketplace of ideas by allowing conservative voices. that's why i've been so outspoken ever since i converted a number of years ago. >> well, it's incredible. just to look at the list. you pointed out one time professor believes women can replace men with dogs. there's a woman study professor who had a panel on bondage. there was a professor who posted pictures of nude underage children as art. there was one seminar on how to appreciate your -- let's say the end of a sexual encounter. professor, thank you for being here. >> thank you so much. >> and yet the professor was the most embarrassing professor on earth because he believes in traditional marriage. clearly conservative man. vast majority of his peers are not. but is that a problem? our next guest says, no, it is not. when we return, somebody from the other side when we return with who is teaching our kids. i'm an idaho potato farmer

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"the kelly file" special.ip;4a welcome back to "the kelly file" special who's teaching our kids. dinesh d'souza says a lack of political diversity on american college campuses is a serious issue. the most recent study on political ideology among professors from the university of california los angeles higher education research institute, 63% consider themselves far left or liberal, 25% middle. is that a problem? david bergeron, former acting assistant secretary at the u.s. department of education. david, good to see you. thank you for being here. so is that a problem? >> no, i think when we think about who becomes college faculty, it's really a question of sub selection. people who tend to be more

liberal tend to be more likely t(uju(uqj and prepare to become college teachers and college faculty members. so there's a self-selection that goes on. as a parent, as an educator, i want as many diverse ideas as possible in the classroom. but we have to pickáfrom the people who present themselves with credentials that allow them to be prepared to teach. and that's part of the issue -- part of the problem. >> there's an ongoing cycle then because maybe more conservatives would choose to go into higher education if they felt that they might find a few more like-minded people or might be more accepted. but we've heard some conservatives complain it's tough to get on these campuses and tough to get tenure at these campuses if you are not likeminded. >> you know, larry summers credited with saying, you know, conservatives are much more interested in making money and

entering for-profit companies than liberals and liberals are more comfortable and likely to enter academics. so i think there's that at play too. you know, the comfort level and political views is something that we all have to work on. we all have to experience. went away to liberal college, had very conservative roommates and classmates over her tenure. did it make her more7bñ÷ liber more conservative? i don't know. i would hazard to guess she would probably be more conservative today than the day she left home. the right play which is it's good to have the kids exposed to all different viewpoints. when you look at even what we're seeing in some of our schools in some of our, you know, secondary schools, the:y÷ stories are jus legion of these teachers coming in and trying to get the kids to stand up for barack obama but then make fun of john mccain or

mitt romney. you see these stories every election cycle how even at the aren't necessarily old enough or mature enough to understand what's happening to them, someone is steering them toward a particular view. >> well, i think it's critically important we stand up for our democratic values. and our democratic values is that we want a free marketplace of ideas. we want to hear different points of view. and for many students the experiences they have in college or in high school -- or very formative. and they're formative, i think, mostly from the interchange between faculty members and students, but students away from the classroom. remember going with my daughter diverse set of classmates to dinner her freshman year. and i was so impressed by the way that they articulated their political views. >> well, that's the thing. it's not the students who are

the problem. in the critics view. trying to say republicans are racist and stupid and america is terrible and evil and let me ask you about that latter set because what do you think of folks like bernadine dohrn on the fbi's most wanted list for years, went understood ground, comes up and winds up at northwestern law school. kathy bodine, a convicted murder murderer, teaching at columbia university and nyu. do you agree with that? >> well, you know, colleges and selecting faculty. and i spent a lot of time in federal service where the federal government doesn't get involved in that, creditors don't get involved in the selection prc# =rey the faculty. and legitimately so. so i defer a lot to colleges making the right decisions. >> but they're not doing it. and the university doesn't even mention her background on their

website. >> and my point is that colleges, universities have the responsibility for making sure that the faculty are appropriately trained and have the right credentials to be in the classroom. whether it's on the columbia's or the princetons that you mentioned earlier or the hillsdale colleges,ç t which is conservative college, they make judgments about who their faculty are. and we have to recognize that not every judgment we make is the right one. >> you can say that again. >> but i also say that we have to all understand institutions try to come up with the best >> i know. i know you believe a lot of out, but from what we are seeing, they are being replaced sir. thank you for your expertise. >> thank you. >> well, as chancellor of one of

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not long after taking a new york school system worth more than 1.1 million students and a $23 billion budget, new york /ein said he wanted to raise test scores. he wanted to hold teachers accountable for those results. his critics would have you think he called for genocide. he became one of the most controversial chancellors in new york city history, in part because he took on the unions. but eventually those test scores improved, and schools got better. still, latest reports show while the u.s. spends far more on young students than most developed countries, it continues to rank below places like china, russia and vietnam when it comes to results. and mr. klein thinks he knows why. he is the longest serving chancellor of new york city schools. and now the ceo of our founding

parent company of fox news, news corp.s of its education division which is called amplify. also the author of lessons of hope how to fix our schools. and i spoke with mr. klein earlier. joel, great of you to be here. thank you so much. so high school graduation rates, an increase of more than 40%, everybody praises you on all sides of the aisle. you have this job of chancellor of the new york city schools for longer than anybody else ever had it. and you think you know the reason as to why the schools are struggling. what is it? >> basic reason is we're not getting the job done for kids in high poverty communities. you know, we have rules and regulations that get in the way of getting great teachers into these schools creating choices for families, opening up charter schools which are opposed by many of the interests. so think about it everyone is looking, they want a great school for their kid. middle class families go out there, they look, they move to the right neighborhood, they go to a private school. poor kids, we tell them it's one

and done. we give them a lot of new teachers each year. it's unstable and not working. so to me the biggest thing is, one, we've got to make teaching a real profession. and second of all, give families choices. the families in new york when they got choices, so engaged in their kids education. >> but what they say to that, folks like mayor de blasio, say if you give more choices, then they'll leave and that leaves these other schools left behind that spiral downward. >> well, you close other schools. that's what bloomberg and i did when we were there. if nobody wants to go to them, the solution is not to force kids to those schools but to give them choices. last year for 20,000 charter seats in new york, 80,000 families applied. almost all from high poverty communities, children of color. as we talk the american dream is evaporating. one of the reasons is because we're not giving every kid in every community a real education. >> what's the reason for this? is it unions?

it's so hard to fire teachers in new york. i know you experienced that firsthand. >> that's part of the problem. no matter whether you're good or bad, you remain in the system forever. people who are doing well want to go to middle class communities. so you need to use economic incentives, you need to be able to create opportunities for people. so every kid gets a great teacher. it's ridiculous when you say we're behind china -- >> vietnam. >> vietnam. poland. i mean, these are countries we should be way ahead. and the reason is is because we're doing too many things and not focused on the kids and focused on the adults and protecting the interests of adults. worrying about things like seniority rather than real excellence in performance. >> real quality. do you think it should be easier to fire a bad teacher and reward, you know, a special way, those who are great. >> of course. there's no question about it. >> but those interests are so strong. they stopped it. the unions are strong. you know that. >> it's time for the kids to take precedence over the unions and everything else. we've got to put the kids first. this is the future of our

country. every day we're talking about inequality in america. on every program i watch people are saying what's the best cure for inequality? a great education. let's give it to every kid. what do you think every parent wants? when i say 80,000 parents applied for 20,000 slots, these are parents in harlem and south bronx, parent who is have had every hardship that want the best for their kids. what do we have? we have politicians and other who oppose opening charter schools. they say they don't want the competition. let's focus on the children and do what's right for them. that's why i wrote the book. >> you are a nonpartisan guy. i want the audience to know that you clerk for justice powell on the supreme court, appointed by nixon but wound up being moderate. you work now for rupert murdoch. know you are getting honest advise because you are not a partisan. you are an open minded smart man and public school education educated. thank you for being here, joel.

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well, if you have kids in high school or kids at all, you've probably thought about how to get into a good college, how to get them in. or better yet, a great ñ=jjñone. my next guest says stop stressing because you really shouldn't want your child going +y not longjo÷rñóáçç0ct ago i spo former yale university professor and author 4 of the hit book "excellent cheap," the miseducation of the american elite and the way to a meaningful life. watch this. >> the problem for me with elite

education and elite colleges, it has to do with what happens at the colleges, but the real problem is precisely who you have to become in order to be the kind of kid who can get into one of these schools. >> and people know you should know of what you speak. you have about 25 degrees from columbia university. and then you're a professor at yale for many years. and now you've left all that and moved to oregon. but you know what you're talking about. and you basically talk about how they beat the spirit out of these kids to get their resumes built so they can get into these colleges that turn out to be a protectivism so the children can never be told that they're wrong or that they failed. >> right. that's true. they're sort of stuffed with praise and flattery. but at the same time they themselves terrified of failure. you know, you have to have perfect grades. you have to do everything perfectly to get into these schools. once you're in these schools you feel like you have to do everything perfectly to get to

law school or a job on wall street or whatever it is you want to do. part of the problem these kids are very smart and ambitious but tend to bep% risk averse, kind timid. >> depressed. >> yeah, there's this huge sort of mental health crisis on campus. it's especially bad among affluent high achieving kids. people at the colleges know about it the thing is that the kids are very good at hiding it. and parents and other adults think as long as you're getting an "a," you're getting as," everything is not fine. >> if i'm not shooting for harvard and yale and ivies, how should i be doing it differently trying to change the whole system? >> right. again, remember that it doesn't matter for most kids where you go. what matters is the kid. and i think what matters is they go to a college that they feel is a good fit for them. listen to your kid. go to. don't send them to a school. help them figure out what the

best school for them is. >> what about prior to getting to college, elementary school and secondary school, you say it's almost child abuse to push for an a in calculus for a 17-year-old. what should you be pushing for? >> well, look, you want to have high expectations for your kids. you want them to work hard. but i think you want to help them do exactly what we were saying on air, find a sense of purpose. give them enough room which may mean also feeling like you don't have to do everything your high school expects you to do. give them enough room to figure out what they care about which i think they can do when they're 15, 16, 17. >> and argue for the gap year. take a year in between high school and college. >> in between high school and college. yes. >> go travel the world and figure out who you are. make a bunch of mistakes and learn from them. >> exactly. get away from your parents, get away from the system. yeah. >> amen to that. i love it. bill, good luck with the book. it's already doing so great. i can see why. >> thanks very much, megyn. >> all the best to you. isn't he so interesting?

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