jon: we have some great stories coming up in our second hour, "outnumbered" starts right now. ♪ ♪ >> this is outnumbered, i'm sandra smith, and here today is harris faulkner, andrea tantaros, kirsten powers and today's hashtag one lucky guy, one of our favorites, tucker carlson, and he's "outnumbered." >> i'm always grateful to be hashtagged, and i'm glad to be here. >> profoundly outnumbered. i know you. >> it's like the alamo, but i like those odds. nice to see you. >> good to see you. you've been with us since the beginning, we love having you. >> i love the show. and i watch it. i'm one of your viewers. >> awesome. we appreciate that. let's get right to it. the president tapping ashton carter as his pick to succeed chuck hagel as defense

secretary, a pentagon veteran known for his expertise on nuclear issues. if confirmed, he would be the president's fourth pentagon chief. >> today i'm pleased to announce my nominee to be our next secretary of defense, mr. ash carter. now, with a record of service that has spanned more than 30 years, his public service, as an adviser, as a scholar, ash is rightly regarded as one of our nation's foremost national security leaders. >> whoever becomes the next defense secretary will face a host of foreign policy problems including the ongoing civil war in syria, the growing threat of isis and increasingly aggressive vladimir putin and the struggle to contain iran's nuclear ambitions. this as recent fox polls show americans are expressing deep doubts about the president's handling of global affairs and our nation's standing in the world. nearly six in ten americans believe president obama's leadership on foreign policy is weak and indecisive, and about

that same number say america is less respected around the world today compared to 2008 before the president took office. and there are questions about whether the white house will actually let carter do his job after reports that the administration's ongoing efforts to micromanage the pentagon helped push chuck hagel out the door. and, tucker, i would be remiss if i didn't point out the fact that chuck hagel was not present at that press conference at the president's announcement of his nomination today which historically was not in line with what we've seen. >> behold the incompetence of this. if a big company announced the retirement of its see crow -- >> right. >> -- without announcing simultaneously his successor, how much would the stock price drop? that's insane, that's bad management. by the way, you have three former secretaries of defense -- gates, panetta, now hagel -- they span the gamut, and all three have one thing in common, they left complaining about the

incompetence of the obama administration. >> i should point out that hagel and carter did speak before the announcement by phone. hagel did pass along his best wishes with the job, so that did take place, although he wasn't there. >> yeah. and he actually went on to say, from what i've read, hagel said he didn't want to take away from the moment today. [laughter] those were his words. ash carter, by the way, i don't know if you were watching the announcement, turned to the president as he said: if confirmed, i pledge to you my most candid strategic advice and that you will receive equally candid military advice. i thought that was interesting that he'd say it, you know, eye to eye. >> uh-huh. >> so i don't know what that will tell us about how the relationship will go, but it was an interesting moment. >> that is an interesting moment, and, you know, you look at the predecessors, hagel's predecessors, look at robert gates and leon pa panetta have h complained in their memoirs about the white house's micromanaging of the military policy. so the question would be is carter even going to be allowed

to do his job if he's the right guy to do it? >> no, because we know the white house has been dictating the dod's policy and strategy and ideology from 1600 pennsylvania avenue. we had general jack keane right here on this couch, and he said as much. he mentioned valerie jarrett and others that are setting the tone and the policy. and, sandra, when you look at panetta, a clinton guy, when you look at now carter, a clinton guy, and you look at hagel who's a republican but not a very hawkish republican, these are not terribly, i would say, you know, the most red meat of folks. and even they got to the dod and realized that certain policies, hagel in particular, on the transfer of these gitmo detainees out of gitmo, he couldn't get behind it. i mean, there are certain things that these e defense secretaries look at and say this is not in the best interest of the military, it's strained our relationship, i think it's put us in a very dangerous place to have the white house and the dod at odds. but i think now carter is simply going to implement whatever president obama wants. there will be no direction

coming out of carter directly that isn't coming from obama. >> regardless of who gets the job, it's a tough job, there's a lot on his or her plate, and there's a lot of crisis to deal with. >> right. and to your point, when josh earnest was asked about this, the white house press secretary was asked about these complaints, his answer was something along the lines of whoever comes in to replace will understand the chain of command and that the president is in charge. so it's clear that they feel that they want to have complete control and that they don't want pushback coming from the defense department. now, ultimately, it is civilian command, and the white house is in charge, but they should be listening to military advice. i also would say that it's -- if i was them, i would not want another defense secretary out writing a book. i would be doing everything i could to keep him happy and keep him in the administration. it's strange that they, that they don't mind to keep having this turn of people who are so

unhappy who have such credibility, you know -- >> well, they're attacking him behind his back right now. they're running around calling people saying he's the reason they didn't pick the successor, that they had it all figured out, but he announced his resignation in order to hurt him. they're going after him, not a way to keep someone from writing a book. >> i read he felt he was getting pushed out, and he wanted to leave on his own terms. >> i've read that. >> what is it about them that they can't have, you know, any kind of consistency -- >> a good break-up? >> yeah, exactly. >> oh, gosh. [laughter] i've often wondered with regard to the book, because that could easily be legally handled. i'm not being facetious -- >> i don't think you can do that in government. >> you don't think -- >> i think that would -- >> you could do it with cia employees, they vet the book, but there's no way the white house could say, hey, chuck hagel, two-term senator, we're not going to let you speak. >> josh earnest was asked about

this friction between the pentagon and the white house and his response was that this was not new and not unique to this administration. >> that's true are. you saw the tension also between the cia and the white house. one of the first things the president decided to do was look at going after members of the cia for their intelligence tack tibs. and you look at the way they -- tactics. and there have been a number of complaints, the white house doesn't know how to coalition build and reach out and include congress. so these democrats go rogue because, yes, they're bad at break-ups, they're bad at relationships. [laughter] >> meanwhile, another possible foreign policy headache. the obama administrationing is refusing to discuss reports it's considering sanctions on one of our strongest and most steadfast allies, israel. the reason reportedly because israel is continuing to build jerusalem homes -- homes in jerusalem and the west bank. you're shaking your head. appear to give some non-answers when she was asked about all this, specifically harp was asked what about those reports that the administration has held

secret internal meetings about taking action against israel? watch. >> reporting today that the government, the administration is preparing a number of measures sort of to punish israel for the settlement activities. are you aware of anything like that? >> well, i saw those reports, i'm obviously not going to report one way or the other on internal deliberations, we've made clear our opinion publicly, and that hasn't changed. >> i always need a source when she speaks. not that i don't know the words, but i haven't heard them quite in that order. [laughter] you were shaking your head. >> there's no chance this will happen. there's no chance at all. the public supports israel vigorously. they don't like israel at the white house, they despise benjamin netanyahu, but there would be mass resignations, so they won't do it. they've made it really clear they're unhappy with him, but there are not going to be sanctions. >> kirsten, i sometimes look to you for a nonverbal, but i

didn't see you do a flinch. do you think the relationship is really icy between israel and the white house? >> owe, yeah, there's no question. i think it's probably the most strained as it's been certainly in the modern era. i can't think of any white house that has had such strained relationships, and it's mutual. it's mutual dislike. it's coming from both directions. they have a very different view of things and, look, i supported obama when he came in, i said i think it's good he's being an honest broker or, take them on on the settlements, but then it has gotten to a point now where it just has become a nonfunctioning relationship, and that's a problem. it's okay to be an honest broker, it's not okay to get to the point where you really don't have a relationship with one of our key allies. >> it's interesting we're back to talking about relationships -- [laughter] in the first story of our hour here, it was how you can't quit me, dude, and now this one is, you know, the sort of corrupting of relationships. sandra, i'm curious to get your point of view on this. this is the fourth time that we

know of if this october letter happened between the white house and iran that the president would have reached out to iran, an islamist, you know, run country there. and it's happening kind of simultaneously now with this pushback on israel. >> action from a congressional aide this morning saying even this administration historically hostile to our israeli allies even as they worked overtime to bomb the enemies of iranian proxies across -- would be shocked if this were actually going on. these discussions should never take place, but this would never go through congress. tucker's exactly right, this would never happen. >> andrea, so republicans -- i'm hearing crickets. is there something that i'm missing, or are they just waiting? >> i think they all believe that this is ridiculous, and it's a nonstarter. and not just republicans, harris. i would point out a number of democrats like chuck schumer of new york -- >> very vocal recently. >> is very upset about this. he has large jewish

constituencies in the state of new york, and other democratic senators say this would be a mistake too. but writing letters to iran thinking you can somehow convince them to change their behavior and talking about imposing sanctions on israel, i mean, think of just how backward the white house is. but they truly are naive. they do believe that if they do this, they will get some reaction, some different reaction from iran, and they won't. they won't. >> tucker, last thoughts. >> i, i mean, hard to improve upon what andrea just said. >> i often say that myself. >> it does tell you a lot that they waste the amount of time they do being mad at israel. there are two sides to every story, but how much time are you spending when the rest of the world is falling apart being mad at benjamin netanyahu? what are we getting out of it? stop it. go on to something useful. >> okay. if you want affordable health care, get ready to shop around. the obama administration is now saying millions of people who bought plans in the new federal marketplace will need to switch

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>> -- is playing a little bit of a shell game here. premium increases have been modest, but when you talk to consumers and people on these plans, they're saying deductibles are out of control, sometimes even $5,000 people are having to pay. and they just can't afford it. >> but bottom line, premiums are going to go up. this is going to cost everybody more. this was not the intention of the plan, tucker. >> it won't cost everybody more. >> it's going to cost everybody more. >> no. it won't cost members of the obama coalition, the democratic party is a coalition of the rich and the poor. the middle class is who didn't vote for obama, and they're the ones paying for this. so actually it dovetails perfectly with voting patterns, and trust me, they're aware -- >> you're giving them a lot of credit. >> most of the people who are using obamacare are getting subsidies -- >> now they are. >> but then there's this tiny little group of, like you said, the middle class people, self-end l ployed people -- employed people, people like myself who have to use obamacare, i'm not getting a subsidy, and my health insurance doubled.

so the people who already were having health insurance and being responsible are being punished. >> exactly. >> and then there are, i think it's something like 80% of the people -- >> you bring up a really key point, it's the subsidies. and when the supreme court looks at those 36, 37 states and makes some real hard decisions or not -- we don't know what the supreme court's going to do -- >> to tucker's point -- >> a big issue for hemo. >> who's paying for these subsidies, tucker? >> people with jobs are paying for it. >> they think it's free money, but everybody, you mentioned the middle class. this is an opportunity for the republicans to seize the middle class -- >> i think about they would. >> i know. >> it's the only thing i've ever agreed with schumer on, he was totally right in his analysis. >> i want to ask you though, as sandra points out, no one ever thought premiums would go down because you can't have a bunch of sick people, right? they said no more preconditions. a bunch of sick people pouring into the system, that's driven premiums through the roof. >> unless it's magic.

it was magic because it's going to be better, and nobody's going to pay for it. except people you've never met who live in places you've never been or will go. they're paying all of it. that was the pitch. and anyone who believes that kind of deserves to be disappointed as far as i'm concerned. it was crazy. >> well, jonathan gruber has been telling us that. >> he's so smart, we don't even understand what he's saying. [laughter] did you go to harvard? i did not. he did, so let's just be quiet -- >> not only was this guy important to the passing of obamacare, he was like the only guy they had on the roster. they thought he was the most qualified out of all the candidates. like he was their favorite. >> he was the only guy with the available requirements for the job. that was specifically stated by -- you can put it in quotes -- in the contract that paid him all this money. >> and to this day they will lecture you if you ask them about how smart he is. he's so unbelievably smart. >> the fact they actually acknowledged knowing who he is, because if they say he's smart, they have to acknowledge they

know who he is, and no one seems to know who he is -- >> that's why they paid him millions. >> he knew these premiums were going to be going up. >> if you added it up, and sandra can add it up for us -- >> in her head. >> yeah, like that, they could have just given vouchers, right? >> where were you? >> well, i didn't know building a web site was going to cost a billion dollars. you know what i mean? >> when you get vouchers, you can't control people. >> an ineffective web site. >> yeah. >> you just didn't know -- once you add up all these numbers, you think why didn't you just give people a tax credit? >> because government can't do anything right. all right. obamacare regulations requiring restaurants and vending machines to post calories. this will reportedly now cost the food industry $2 billion to comply, and guess who will have to most likely pick up the cost? well, you. regardless, the fda says americans will be happy to pay

more for this very valuable, nutritional information that honestly, tucker, gives me heart palpitations and nervous breakdowns when i start to see what i'm about to order and then i look to the right and i go, oh, my gosh, look at all those calories. >> this is what the left cares about circa 2014. these are elite concerns. these are people who think kale and wi-fi are human rights. [laughter] the idea that people are sneaking a cigarette, these are the things that keep them up at night. burden in hot -- you should be in hot yoga. [laughter] >> i love hot yoga, as a matter of fact. >> and i drink lattes, and i drive a prius. [laughter] >> no, but listen, in defense of liberals, i would say that it is reasonable to be concerned about health in the country -- [laughter] because -- >> can i tell you what i was -- >> no. because of the health care costs. >> that's exactly -- >> all of these think these iss- >> calculator out, watch out. >> if you can get people to

actually maybe realize what they're consuming and not end up with -- >> sexually-transmitted diseases. as long as i'm responsible for your health, then i have a right to ask you detailed questions about your sex life. >> i don't have a sex live. [laughter] >> nobody has privacy. laugh i know, i know. i'm sure you don't mean that. >> what were you going to say earlier? can you say what you were going to say before -- >> can you remember it? >> no comment on my sex life. >> sets me up with people, and he's never hooked me up. [laughter] i digress. >> calories. >> my point, my point to kirsten is the government is saying they're mandating this to put calories on a vending machine so you know what you're eating because people want to know what they put in their bodies. do you know how long it took me to google how many calories are

in a snickers bar? if i want to know, i can find out that it has 250 calories. >> that's all? [laughter] >> what about people holding themselves accountable? >> but the point is if it's right there, you may, like you were saying, you see it and you may make a different -- >> so people are lazy. >> it doesn't deter them from getting what they want. all it does is cost restaurants more -- >> that's what i was going to -- [inaudible conversations] >> here's my quick question for andrea. if people are going to start to say no to the most popular things on the menu, what the heck are you going to put on your menu? >> well, that's right. and restaurants are constantly changing menus, so the cost my parents would have to incur -- >> by the way -- >> and it may or may not be healthier. >> hold on. tucker, we're not even talking about the opportunity -- what about people who don't order anything at all because they see how many calories, what's that going to cost? >> why are we all going along with this? if i owned a restaurant i'd say, no, i'm not doing this, come shut me down.

i'm serious. back off, leave me alone. >> the minute they control your health care -- >> they control your whole life. >> all right. it is -- well, when it comes to dealing with our men is -- enemies, understanding is one thing, but should we empathize with them too? hillary clinton thinks so. what she said that's got our own military analyst, oliver north, fired up. and as the smoking hot models prepare to strut the runway, some of them declare themselves feminists. ♪ ♪

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should empathizing with our enemies be part of our foreign policy plans? hillary clinton seems to think so saying in a speech in washington we should show respect even for our enemies. have a listen. >> this is what we call smart power, using every possible tool and partner to advance peace and and partner to advance peace and leaving no one on the sidelines showing respect even for one's enemies. showing as far as psychologically possible empathizing with their perspective and point of view. >> our own military analyst lieutenant oliver north slamming comments calling them naive. >> though words coming out of someone who intends to become commander in in chief naive and utopian, they're irrational. supposed to be using smart power, sound like we don't have pow ear and that isn't smart to say that. i can't think after presidential

candidate said those kind of things. think about this, she is urging us to empathize with our enemies. >> tucker, we were talking about this a little earlier. would you care to defend it. >> i think too much credit to take her seriously. this is another bannal corporate speak you might hear at davos. kind of meaningless cliche rich people throw out to sound educated. what does that mean? i don't think she could define that. >> i think she could. i think this is a shift for her. she has typically been somebody very hawkish, even overly hawkish i would argue from a democratic standpoint and i think she is signaling a shift, andrea, to say to the left, i'm not the warmonger you think i am. i'm actually like you, i think we should be empathizing and trying to understand why our enemies, which i actually we should try to understand what our enemies are doing what

they're doing, that is strategic and smart. this is kind of thing she didn't use to say. >> i think you're exactly right. i think she is trying to take more president obama tact on this if we could talk could them and ration with them. inagree with you that we ought to understand the enemy. if hillary clinton believes we should understand what they coming from, and v. speck what they belief she couldn't have taken secretary of state job. >> i the point. >> many of countries we're talking to don't believe woman should leave the house so they won't listen to female secretary of state. to want to listen to what they believe. >> this is about her trying to be female. i don't think she is trying to be more like president obama. she is trying to differentiate herself as world leader, possibly as president of the united states and a female world leader. she can talk things out. she can he will pa thighs with our enemies. she can do things differently. you're looking at me like -- >> world leaders on the global

stage. i'm thinking of ones we have, margaret thatcher, gold today mier, note he hadly bellicose and great leaders. not attacking either one of them. i can't think of a lot of female world leaders historically that stand out. >> she did later, sandra in the speech -- >> she did. >> referenced a female leader. i think she was talking to women so she was pandering a little bit. using example how a woman leader able to negotiate better. >> of hundreds of peace treaties signed since early 1990s between or nations fewer 10% had female negotiators and fewer than 3% had women as signatories. >> look who our enemies are today. when you look at ones most focused on right now which we have many, islamic state, isis is ones we're most focused on, i don't really understand what she would lay as tapestry smart power talking with isis.

how is that going to work? >> she is talking about trying to understand how does a person come from you know,lying in the u.k. because they have british accent. suddenly being -- >> beheading american journalist? >> what causes that and then i think the left would argue it is caused by oppression and all these things. >> feelings. >> you know, that's a fair point of view. they also will have to be looking at islam as well but they don't want to do that. >> how is understanding where the enemy is coming from in terms of beheading an american journalist will help keep them from doing it again? if your idea you can offer something in place of that choice i cure to know what it would be. >> it's a bigger view, not saying right this minute how do we stop it, down the road -- >> world view, how you interact with these people. what is the underlying problem. let's get to the underlying problem to stop these things from happening. >> don't you want to know? >> we already know what she did do as secretary of state.

put it back toker h you had ability to broker a lot of things in the middle east. your responsibility was to protect many basis and consulates, where did that get us? hillary clinton can't come out there and espouse theory of feelings and empathizing. you can't empathize with isis. you can't feel their pain and get them -- >> moye point exactly. >> next conversation i think is negotiating with terrorist. >> you're missing the whole point. the only point of hillary clinton, she's a woman. that's it. that is the rational for the campaign. she doesn't have coherent ideology. she doesn't have a track record that she should be president. you read, 3% are woman. i'm a woman. elect me. that is not real rationale for presidential campaign. >> talking to women. >> so silly and insulting. >> plenty of male liberals -- >> i can't stand it. >> will you try to understand what is causing some of these things, like poverty or being educated in madrassas. i think we should look at that. >> i'm not criticizing.

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♪ >> welcome back to "outnumbered." the government reporting that american businesses hired at the strongest pace in nearly three years in november. though the jobless rate stayed the same. that headline unemployment rate,

5.8%. 321,000 jobs added of the that was the big number. the latest sign that the united states is outperforming other major economies. well maybe except one economy that is, china's. a new report from the international monetary fund finds that the chinese economy just overtook ours to become the largest in the world. marking the first time since ulysses s. grant, wow that was attractive, sorry about that. was president. that would be 18 '70s that america is not the leading economic power on the planet. some people were calling for this, tucker, andrea, kirsten, harris, i will questions you all. i'm joking. there were people calling for this. a lot of people are surprised. we know the united states as the economic powerhouse of the world but things are changing. our economy is changing. the global economy is changing. >> when you say people calling for this, people wanted us to be in second place.

>> call, predicting. >> i don't think it is that much of a surprise, right? we read a couple months ago we slid in one category we were still leading china, we were making three times what they were making in terms of products, right. back in 2000, 2004, now we're not doing that anymore. our buying power slid as well. we're making less stuff and we have less power to buy stuff. it is not a shocker that we're going backwards. >> sandra, are we doomed? >> some fear technology and our health care system could be next and are in jeopardy still considered the best in the world and our education systems. so, tucker, on a daily basis this is very competitive environment. >> yes. >> some argue that the united states isn't competitive enough right now to maintain that top spot. >> that is destrongably true. we have 2 trillion troll of american money offshore should be repatriating it. >> we're chasing it away. >> i should say china has a ton of problems, a lot much.

industry corruption. they're not about to overtake us next year. i will say this, we're the strongest military power, because we've been as you pointed out for many years the strongest economic power. the two are twins. you can't separate them. as you get weaker economically and you become weaker mill tearily. that has like scary consequences. >> to note this administration has been presented by many this has not been a business-friendly administration, kirsten. it has been a very tough environment as far as unknowns. regulations, taxes, the new health care law. it has been a very difficult time for businesses to grow in this country? >> i mean i'm not, i support a lot of the regulations that i think a lot of people criticize. so i don't know how much i think that is contributing to it but i do think there has been a lot of uncertainty. that is certainly true. i heard that from people who are business owners who don't know what's going to happen in terms of even with obamacare, you know, how they're going to make that work with their businesses. so i think that's fair but i

also think a lot of uncertainty it is a joint problem. it is congress and white house problem. so there is uncertainty coming from washington because they can't agree on things. >> what an amazing opportunity for energy in the united states because this is one area of strength and growth that this country has seen with the shale oil boom. it has been a job creator. it made us less dependent on foreign oil. certainly a opportunity there, andrea. >> it is a economic opportunity and national security opportunity. because of the environmental lobby, this white house doesn't want to do anything on that. sandra, you mentioned businesses that are big, moving overseas. we talk about inversions on the fox business network. if you turn on fox business you see, if you're a business small, or if you're a large business, it is tougher and tougher and tougher because all you're doing is trying to keep up to comply with all the regulations. less time that you have to spend on your business. i have friend in new york trying to start a small business. they say it is literally impossible because of all the rules and regulations, hiring

procedures, and they can't afford the health care. >> that is so scary. we have read that those businesses create more than 60% of the jobs in this country. >> oh, and we're broke too because of the national debt. there's that. >> there is that too. there is a new york city institution, if you haven't seen him in person, you seen them in person, horses, carriages that line central park but they could seen make their last trot if mayor de blasio has his way. the new legislation that would ban decades-old tradition. yes, these women they're sexy, no denying it. don't ask them about being sex objects. why one writer is criticizing the victoria secret fashion show after the journalists were reportedly not to question the models about feminism. ♪

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victoria secret annual fashion show that airs next week. amid all the underwear journalists at the event are reportedly being allowed to ask the models about one thing, that one thing feminism. one still managed to get to a victoria secret model, when she was asked do you consider yourself a feminist, she replied of course. i believe in equal rights for women. i want women to be as powerful as men. one columnist writes this, vicker to i can't secret wants to pedal the notion of jumped up sex show is an act of female empowerment, she growled. that angels and sparkly wings represent liberation of thefema. wearing a nasty red plunge bra, you can harness the power of sexuality. it is old argument over again. it is not demeaning. celebration of the female form. >> why are you looking at me first? >> is there any place in america

that we're safe from feminist hectoring? >> well, we have one on the couch. >> yeah. i think there are a lost feminists who were defend actually victoria secret. i think this woman sound like she is a little bitter. let's be honest. >> plenty of feminists would defend it including me. these are george just women. they're beautiful. >> you don't see anything? >> they're paid a lot of money to do what they do. they are professionals. this is their gift. they are stunning. you know, and i think women and men can look at them and appreciate their beauty. and they're not naked. >> making me into a feminist now can you see, harris, be attractive, high ratings but hard to call it empowerment, isn't it. >> empowering to women doing it? >> is it? >> making a kajilon. >> this is pin cale of your

career for many models if this is the line of work you're in. you're empowering women with the job they have chosen and top pay and top opportunity for that job they have chosen. the woman though, sounded so angry and i'm often, when i see ism behind a word, i question if that is the not door opening if you don't think just like me, i'm super angry about that. but i don't think that -- what we're talking about is an ism we're talking about equality and those are sometimes mutually exclusive concept. >> these are feminists that give all feminists a bad name. as kirsten points out there is wing of feminism believes in prostitution, okay for women to be strippers. hey, their bodies, businesswoman and celebrate. very controversial. i don't think they do themselves any favors when they criticize these women who are gorgeous and empowered. you try walking down a runway in over the knee suede and diamond

encrusted bra. it is pretty empowering. >> if you would want would you want your daughter to do it? >> why not? i don't think the women are dressed inappropriate. they're scantily-clad but this isn't "penthouse" or hustler. >> they are not under age kids. >> what difference wearing a bathing suit. they're not naked. just reverse the role. what if this were men parading out on runaway? >> horrible and embarrassing -- >> you wouldn't wear the wings. >> not the bathing suit. they're horrible. >> the whole thing would be completely embarrassing. if my son did it i would be embarrassed. >> men do this during brunches and it is not the same. >> this is a way of making a live. supermodel -- >> a lot of these models launched huge careers, other careers out of doing this. >> by the way many of them walking the runway, even this year are mothers. the two in the diamond encrusted bras are both mother.

>> wasn't a feminist when i started show this hour but now i have changed. >> there you go. >> amazing. >> it is not an ism. >> call it the netflix effect. how hours of binge watching television shows is starting to influence baby names. >> what? >> look at him. >> there is carmela soprano. ♪ turn the trips you have to take, into one you'll never forget. earn triple points when you book with the expedia app. expedia plus rewards.

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get flood insurance. ♪ >> not only does net flicks allow for binge watching of shoes. they are inspiring the baby's names. and the they came up with the net flicking's affect. galenna and piper and neki and house of cards, garrett and chloe and zoe. and they are inspiring baby names. >> what i think is strange, do you watch house of cards? >> yes.

>> do you want your child's name frank? >> no. my brother's name is gilliggan. >> is there a ginger and mary ann. >> i am make tupping. >> no. we are so gullible. would you name your child golf names. that's what you watch on tv? >> no, i would not. >> no rory. >> i fell victim to this. i watch nas-car and met in our greenroom dannica patrick. and my five-year-old is named danika. >> i don't name my animals after characters. i had a willow and darcey. >> would you name them that? >> they are cats. >> i think people do look to the

literature for inspiration and now they are looking for. >> kennedy's daughter is named pelee. any would not name them any real housewives names. >> this is a topic you know well. i imagine you and your husband john will talk about this. and you will leave us for mommy hood for a while as the impending little one joins us. >> you know a good name? >> kirsten. >> we are short on girl's names. i am going to miss you guys, it will be my last day on the air. you are not allowed to leave long. >> you will be the first to know the second i am coming back. yes, we are going to go make this happen. no outnumbered baby specials. harris, i will deliver it and i

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