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. hello, everyone, i'm dana, kimberly, bob, eric and greg. this is "the five." >> a major black eye or rolling stone. last month an article was published which described a brutal attack on a woman named jackie at one of the school's fraternity houses. today it's managing editor issue this statement to readers, in the face of new information, there now appears to be discrepancies in jackie's
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account. rolling stone admits it never contacted any of the accused for its report. as a result of the unsubstantiated claim, uva's president changed their sexual assaultal policy and even used it to push a sex crimes bill. let's just take a look at some of the media coverage that this article, this very compelling article in rolling stone magazine that led the nightly use nice. >> the claims of a particularly shocking sexual assault have been made public. >> an extraordinary move on one of america's most prestigious campuses, the university of virginia shutting down all fraternities as it investigates sexual assault claims. >> after a very disturbing sexual assault allegation at one of america's most prominent
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colleges. their exposed in a rolling stone article and led to suspending all fraternity and sorry errority -- >> if it is a hoax, i think we can all be glad that it did not happen to her. interestingly, richard bradley has a blog. it's richardbradley.net, and he was an editor for george magazine. on his blog he wrote some questions because he had been dp dupeded as an editor into believing steven glass a writer who ichbs denltly was in the same journalism class in college. he was making people think, does this story really hold up? and subsequent reporting have proven that this looks like it's all a hoax. >> right.
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right. so, i saw this story come out today, let me get this straight, a major u.s. publication is a poll jazzing for not fact checking a story that accuses gang rape by a major united states university, by the way, one of the most respected universities in the country, they didn't fact check. so the time between the rape and rolling stone publishing that piece, they had plenty of time to fact check, they had plenty of time to go kablg the accused rapists there, so they ran with the story and it's been two weeks since the story ran with rolling stone, "the washington post" has fact checked the story and has found a lot of d discrepancy ies with it. almost two years, from the time of the rape until they published the story, they had two years to fact check what "washington post" found in two weeks.
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>> and the fraternity, kimberly is phi cap -- she said we didn't have a party that night. there are some things i just have to wonder if the reporter didn't have any sort of nagging doubt, even though it does seem in the apology from rolling stone that they're kind of blaming her, the person that they said was their source, but nobody actually knows her name. a question for you s can can the university or the fraternity expect any sort of litigation to be successful because of rolling stone's negligence? >> i think so.you have to -- an be something that corrects the situation, where there should be some emphasis that if people are going to engage inner responsible reporting that has
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devastating consequences and impact, that they're going to be punished for it. this will act as a deter end for other reporters, to fact check whether or not even a party happened on that day. that would have been the tipping point. they are going to have to pay money for this. i guarantee they'll have to settle some lawsuits. >> i should have mentioned in the green room. "the washington post" years ago dealt with a major story that was a fabrication about a young child who was in danger, whose parents were giving him drugs, and everyone because on the lookout, and it turns out that was fabricated as well. >> let's keep in mind the context here, uva has been under pressure now for a whole bunch of rapes that were unreported
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and some of those are in the process of being indicted. i'm not accusing rolling stone, but they're not alone. the stripper down in north carolina, you remember that? that got a whole bunch of guys in trouble. >> the university ended up having to settle with those fraternity brothers who were not guilty. >> and this is not the first time -- it's too attractive a story, that's the problem, you've got something like this, a gang rape at a fraternity. i don't have any personal experience with this, a lot of times there are people who are going to yell that something happened that didn't happen. what about in new york city in central park? these young black kids got accused of doing this to the woman, it turned out not to be true. >> richard bradley, the blogger i mentioned that used to work at george magazine. one of the things he says is the reason why he got duped by
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steven glass is that the story line started to fit his own biases. and in this case, at what point does the narrative that the media wants to report on overtake their sensibilities and causes people to lose further trust in media. >> i think this woman who wrote this story, she went in there looking for this narrative. i think she shopped around to a few ivy league universities. she latched on it. ignored her source, her source at one time didn't even want to be put in the article, she still bu pushed for it. the woman is a left wing ideal log, she e's not credible. so say this targets the reputation of rolling stone. rolling stone put the boston
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bomber on the cover. rolling stone hosed mcchrystal on an off the record conversation. >> the "new york post," the conservatives -- >> it's confirmation bias, she went in looking for a story, she found the story and she decided not to fact check it. she wanted to know that sexual assault on campus is was a huge epidemic, and she saw this case and she latched on to it. >> let's say that was the case, she was looking for it, she shopped it, she found what she wanted, she found a nugget, and sure turned it into a whole turkey. rolling stone is at fault, even if she writes it, even if she believes it, rolling stone as a responsibility to fact check it. >> would you be careful with that pen? because it's getting very close
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to my eye. i'm not accusing rolling stone here , it's not just rolling stone, a lot of the newspapers and magazines where they have been set up and they want the story, they want the story bad, they go and they take journalisti journalistic,. >> let me ask about the statement, specifically, so rolling stone doesn't take any responsibility for itself, it's basically blaming the victim, if she really is a victim in this. >> they have to, because if they blame the victim, then they don't have to pay, they can't say that the they were irresponsible, recklessness. it's not just negligence, i mean destroying people's lives just because they're desperate to sell a couple of magazines. they have no problem sensationalizing, it's just shameful behavior and shoddy journ journalism. >> five guys in paterson, new
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jersey were arrested over the weekend for accusations against the same. so i do think that is clear. >> that the's a fallout to this article, that's a fallout to this woman writing the story. the fallout is, when do you believe it? when do you not believe it? will people still come forward? will they be afraid that they're going to be falsely accused, will they be afraid they're going to get dragged through the media, that's one of the negative aspects of the story. >> remember what happened with dan rather, dan rather did the same thing, he wanted to find out what was going on in texas with bush and he bought this hoax with all these forged documents. people's lives are at stake. >> it turned out to be accurate, didn't. >> it did bush really do that.
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>> no, not bush, zimmerman. >> do you think she was a racist. >> absolutely. >> it was rob blewy, who was a blogger at the time noticed the fonts were different. it wasn't that the investigative journalists had a big publication. >> a lot of conservative bloggers saw this, asked questions and now look at it. >> they would be held to a different standard, it's just basically journalism. >> i don't think a lot of the reporters are going to send people to rolling stone asking questions. if this was a conservative organization that was doing it, they would be knocking dun their doors. >> i have a really good point to make. ahead new york's mayor may have questioned the racial bias of his own police force, but they want the african-american community to know they have
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it's been a rough couple of weeks for law enforcement america after the grand jury's in ---protesters nationwide have been voicing mistrust of police and their sentiments have been echoed by some of the leaders on the left, including the president. >> the way we go about policing has to change. people need to know that black lives and brown lives matter as much as white lives. >> all lives must be valued. all lives. >> african-american, most particularly african-american men, are still more likely to be stopped and searched by police,
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charged with crimes and sentenced to longer prison terms. >> there are still problems and communities of color aren't just making these problems up. >> the latest accusations against law enforcement follow the decision of eric gardner in new york city. the nypd is hoping now to reassure the african-american community that they have nothing to fear. >> what does a black man in new york have to fear from the nypd. >> actually he doesn't have anything to fear from us. unfortunately, though -- >> people out there on the street don't think so. >> that's correct. >> i don't think every on the street is worried of police officers, especially if you're not committing any crime. >> i'm trying to give you every advantage by letting you hear what he said and then you can respond. >> i think these are two deci d decidedly different cases, one
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was much clearer in ferguson. in this case this cop is a murdering, disgusting thug who should have been indicted and the grand jury were scared to do it. >> can you walk that back a little bit? >> not the slightest bit. >> the murdering part, maybe you can say he used excessive force. bill de blasio injecting race, saying the reason why garner is dead, because of scenturies of racism. the cop may have used excessive force. >> may have used? >> in my opinion i don't think he did. but there is a question. so bill de blasio injecting race into something no one has -- everyone involved including eric gardner's daughter said, race had nothing to do with her father's death. de blasio doing it, it's race-baiting, it's liberal, it's
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progressive, it's b.s. >> and conduct unbecoming a may your. >> 99.999 dlerz of police stops are not fatal. there's so many other things going on that are really good in the police force, this is a terrible example. i agree that there are some systemic problems, black people being pulled over more, even being sentenced longer. the grand jury results, that's not the police department's fault. once the case goes to the grand jury, whether it's ferguson or staten island or whatever, the police have nothing to do with it. i think we should keep in mind
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99.99% of police encounters across the country are not just nonfatal, but they're actually good at keeping the peace all across our country. >> they have a very difficult job and they don't get any appreciation whatsoever. they put their lives on the lightning. >> and police are in these neighborhoods because that's where a lot of these crimes are being committed. police officers do arrest black people and a lot of the black people are committing crimes, especially violent crimes and felonies at a higher level of the percentage of the population than white people. that's why they're there, to protect other people in those neighborhoods. if they weren't there, all hell would be breaking look. so i understand why if a black man is walking around and he gets extra attention. i understand why he's getting a little bit bent out of shape, but the media like this is narrative of these racist white
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cops keeping the black man down. >> they had every right to go up to him, that there was a crime being committed, and that a crime was being committed. he doesn't have a riling to resist arrest, even if he thinks the nature of the arrest shouldn't be happening, there's a procedure to be followed and this man as a preexisting medical condition that km exacerbated this man's death. >> i never said this guy was racist, i don't believe that he was, de blasio made a mistake by saying that, but he is a murder because the fact of the rules of engagement say you're not supposed to -- you had five people there -- >> they should have just tased him. if they had a taser it would have been better if they had
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just tased him. and he could have died from that too. so what are you supposed to do. they didn't go after him because he was asian. if he was asian, do you think they would have taken it easier? it doesn't have anything to do with the situation. >> does a guy that's selling an illegal cigarette -- it certainly looks like they treated him like he just shot a cop or killed somebody. they seemed very aggressive. >> you can say that, but i don't think in the beginning, they're talking to him, then he starts to resist, he's a big guy, they do have a right and ability to be able to protect themselves. one guy couldn't take him down. >> what you're saying is the reaction is disproportionate to the nature of the crime. but they had the right to do what they were doing. where it became a police issue says because they outlawed that form of chokehold. >> there's five cops around, isn't there they could have been
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working on. >> it's your team that passed dana, the city counsel passed a law saying that it is illegal to sell loose cigarettes, so store owners have the right to believe that -- you have a right to call the cops. you absolutely do. if the city council thinks that it's worth it to have to the police respond to citizens that report laws that are being broken, then they should change that law. but you can't ask a cop to say, okay, well, wire going to pass these laws so we can play indicate the store owners, but we really don't want you to enforce them, or if the big guy says, no, he's not coming with you, what do they do, walk away. >> they have an absolutely right to say this guy is breaking the law and it's hurting my
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business. but the cops don't have a right to get a gang crowd. >> bob, you just inflame the situation, you engage in this and you're hysterical about it. they were doing their jobs, they weren't breaking the law, eric gardner was, if you want to address the legislation -- >> they were folln't following rules. >> but it was police procedure that they were following. >> you're the police advocate here. she incites the riot. facebook friday, and up next, the grammy nominations are in, did your favorite artist get a nod? did ours? finding out ahead in the fastest seven. people with type 2 diabetes
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welcome back. time for -- all right, this is going to be one of our best fastefast est several minutes on television. one exuberant host. first up, so last night during a break in the bears-cowboys game, i switched over to nbc to see what the big peter pan live thing was all about. after all they had been hyping it for weeks. my jaw dropped, i couldn't believe what they were airing. it looked like a bad high school musical. ♪ how can i hide it when deep down inside ♪ ♪ i got to let go ♪ and grow ♪
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three hours of that. >> i mean honest. like my kindergarten recital was better than that. i love peter pan, but whoa. >> she was very talented. but the productproduction. >> her singing was good. >> seeing williams looking like a boy, that was awkward for me. and christopher walken, he was so stiff during the sword fight scene. >> at one point he was supposed to keil over. >> it was supposed to be lip zippizip i syncing. this is a live performance. >> i wish that more media
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companies would do things like this, to bring life performances to the stage. sometimes it doesn't work. if you go to broadway, you go, okay that show wasn't very good. but all those people that don't get a chance to see live television. i don't fault them for doing it. it still got 9 million viewers. last year in the sound of music, they had carry underwood. i think that's the reason ratings were better last night. the 2015 grammy nominations are out. taylor swift, my personal favorite sam smith, but surprisingly, one of the best rock songs in my opinion got snubbed, seven tcenturies by fa boys.
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>> that easter rirnl. that 's terrible. no wonder. >> i edondon't like that song a all. >> what is your favorite on the list? >> i love iggy azalea. that's something you can bump to. >> all right, bobby. >> first of all, i just want to lodge a complaint. kimberly called me knee-and-er ---- -- >> the only two people i recognized on the entire list, was because i met her in the green room at fox and friends and said what do you do for a livi living? and the other one was tony benefit. and they were nominated for a duet album. >> what about the one that you like. >> it was awesome.
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>> since last april, i have been telling everybody to download the dirk bentley album. and it is nominated for the best country music album. you heard it here first. >> you know you have a relationship with him, right? i have seen it. >> between her and her dog. >> so john legend was nominated -- >> who? >> for all of best of pop. >> go in your pocket, get your man card out and pop it on the table. >> you say john legend, all of me? >> i think there was a good reason that didn't make the cut. >> i think your man card is permanently revoked. >> this could be -- pay attention. this could be the best best of seven segment, thanks to president obama. he show off his dance moves during the national christmas
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lee lig tree lighting in d.c. bob, i think you two have some things in common. >> he's got that same facial expression. >> he ee's dancing like his pan are falling off. >> what a dreamer. >> my building knows not to let you know anywhere near the premises. >> they're not going to be there after i get you arrested for harassment. >> what about the president's dance moves. >> he's a better dancer and a singer than he is a president. >> i had some things prepared for this, but i was censured. did you ever see the tribal moves? >> i was there. >> i would say that president bush was a more enthusiastic dancer. >> i think dana was offended by that. >> i really liked it when president obama had the thumbs up. because this is kind of an
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interesting signature move. >> do you know who else dances like that? >> we got to go. >> don't go away. yeah, what's going on? >> i got to get my taser out. >> don't go away, facebook friday is up next. ♪ we asked people a question how much money do you think you'll need when you retire? then we gave each person a ribbon to show how many years that amount might last. i was trying to like, pull it a little further got me to 70 years old i'm going to have to rethink this thing it's hard to imagine how much we'll need for a retirement that could last 30 years or more. so maybe we need to approach things differently, if we want to be ready for a longer retirement. ♪
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time now for facebook friday. we answer some of the questions you sent in for us. let's get started. from nancy h., does jasper get his own stocking and christmas gifts? >> not from me. but my mom and my sister are coming up. >> you hang a stocking on the
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mantle? >> i don't do stockings. >> great. >> our dog gets a stocking. >> eric, from mel d. what is your opinion on acquiring college debt from a prejudice tij outsidal school like harvard, is the six figures debt actually worth it? >> the amazing increase in starting salaries just by graduating from one of those schools. >> and the contacts. >> dana's right, for the rest of your life, you have what are card contacts. >> from dennis w., what happened to the october surprise? i really want to know that. >> let me explain something to you, dennis. it was there, but if something happened along the way, but it's going to come back. >> come on, answer the question. was there an october surprise?
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>> you made it up. >> how do you know i made it up? >> you make everything up. >> i do not make everything up. you are a sexual harasser is what you are. >> to kimberly from greg l. you have thisor making a point very clearly, have you ever considered entering the political arena? >> what a good question. >> now that i have sharpened my skills on mr. beckle -- >> run against one of your ex-husbands. five of them have political contacts don't they. >> i think it's a great way to serve. i loved being a prosecutor, but if i worked for the state and i was able to get into the community and -- so that was important to me. and i wouldn't rule it out in the future. >> whoa. >> you heard it here first. >> you heard kimberly announce
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on "the five." >> jesse, how do you u keep a straight face when you do watters world. >> we have two cameras on the set, but when we edited it, it looks like i'm keeping a straight face. >> dandana, if you had the executive order pen for one hour, what would you write in the law and why. >> would it be an executive order that was legal? that would be the first question that i might asking, because i would want it to stick. i think if i was being serious, i would do something on tax reform. by i don't think it would hold up because taxes oraniginate in the house. >> you could declare april 9 natural jasper day. >> from john c., eric, who do you think will make it to the nfl playoffs this year?
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>> yeah, the nfl playoffs? green bay beating the pats. green bay is playing amazing football. and the afc, you can't rule out peyton manning in denver. i would love to see that green bay diamond. >> bob, from peggy w. but just wondering if you have a favorite christmas song. >> as a matter of fact, it's "white christmas". >> of course it's white christmas. >> it is, why? because it's pure, it's like me. it's like the driven snow. i think it's great. i love christmas, and i don't like any of this new pop crap they put up, because old christmas songs is the way to go. >> the older the better for you. >> kimberly from laura d. do you think it's more difficult for an attractive woman to be taken seriously even when they have the credentials? >> yeah, good question.
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>> to all women out there, i think what's important, dana would agree with me. get a great education, try to avail yourself with a great internship, meet with people who are in professions that you think you would enjoy, and shadow them for a day. and then you're going to find your bliss, something you feel passionate about. that's what you should focus on, that u year well prepared and well educated and that you work hard, people are going to respect that. >> this is for me, a question from melanie h. jesse, do you or did you have a mentor? >> i didn't have a mentor. i did this all by myself. i need a mentor. would anybody like to mentor me. >> bill o'reilly. >> oh, my god. do you hear this? >> bill o'reilly? >> that was for me, that's right. all right, next, are robots on
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all right, thanks, stephen thaw very much. >> bob, you're supposed to ask a question, take it around the table. be a little professional. prepare for the segment, i don't know. >> would you take a robot? >> kimberly, i want to replace you as a robot, it would have nice long legs and no mouth, it wouldn't talk. >> no, seriously, he says he's done to the voice stuff, he's g some machine that follows his brain. how is that possible? >> he's a genius, that's why. >> if he's a genohe's -- he's s has an amazing capacity to think ahead scientifically, he doesn't get bogged down about who won the grammys.
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>> do you think it's possible -- on a serious note, there was some argument about computers taking control of systems because there's so much stuff that's -- are you worried about computers taking over? >> no, you know what i'm worried about? another arnold schwarzenegger movie. >> they were great, 20, 30 years ago. >> they're great now. >> have you seen one scene with arnold schwarzenegger that lights him up? >> that's how it's artistically produced. >> i love arnold. by the way, you can't replace those legs with a robot. you're right. >> i don't know what to say. jesse, seriously, you're a man who's a computer genius, do you
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think computers could take over for human intelligence? >> a little c3po running around? it would be great. i don't know if it's going to happen in my lifetime. >> one more thing with kimberly is up next. otecting my future. thank you for being my hero and my dad. military families are uniquely thankful for many things, the legacy of usaa auto insurance could be one of them. if you're a current or former military member or their family, get an auto insurance quote and see why 92% of our members plan to stay for life.
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more thing. i'm going to start with eric. >> it's friday so it's time for -- remember i told you that -- well, look at what we found that's been posted and check out this, this is a voice only track without background help, listen to this. ♪ more than you could ever know ♪ ♪ so make my wish come true ♪ because baby all i want for christmas is you ♪ >> so superstar diva, not showing up for rehearsals and not getting that one right, mariah carey. >> can you stop saying broad all the time. >> you get to go next, kimberly. >> so speaking of -- >> right. >> go ahead.
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>> speaking of cute and subway -- >> thank you. >> dana's -- this is the cutest little girl you have ever seen, she started a little dance party on the new york city subway, take a look. >> grateful dead and she's jamming there. >> looks like a minidana. >> the guy that was playing the bagpipe, that was a lot. but she 's cute. >> she's super cute. bob, you're next. >> jesse had -- this is jesse's choice for the grammy awards for john legend. >> that's your one more thing. >> shhh. listen.
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♪ love your curves and all your perfect imperfections ♪ >> can can i borrow a -- >> beyond this rough exterior is a man inside, who's very sensitive, bob. >> i don't know. >> don't judge a book by its cover. >> the feminine side is coming out. >> i love the pop collar. >> watters world has created a monster here, smash success all over the country, now people are starting to copy it. this guy, daniel hughes from world star, check out what he did. >> where did the boston tea party take place? >> boston. >> boston. >> boston. boston. >> in boston, man.
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>> no, no, no! >> which state did the boston tea party take place? >> england? >> no jcht. >> you're really dumb, for real. >> so that just goes to show you these people are actually that clueless. it's not me who's making it happen. it's really out there. >> i'm going to go last, one of my favoritive everyone a reading assigningment, for the weekend. today i wanting everybody to read charles krauthammer's column this morning, it's called "the real fight among the democrats" while republicans are debating the tactics of presidential lawlessness and inherntdly difficult congressional undertaking, particularly if you of course control a single how, democrats are trying to figure out what they believe and whom they
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represent. what do you think is the more serious problem? charles answers it in the next piece. have a great weekend, everyone. "special report" is next. this is a fox news alert. i'm bret baier in washington. there could be a major development in the already tense relationship between president obama and israel's leadership. chief white house correspondent ed henry joins us tonight from the north lawn, here's the full story. >> when i pressed josh ernest today he left the door wide open to the u.s. issuing sanctions to israel over settlement activity. privately i'm hear that this would not be similar to the tough sanctions that have been leveled against the economies of russia ander ran, trying to get israel's attention. it would make an

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