>> that's all the time we have left this even. we wish you the very best. thanks for being with us. hope you have a great night and a great weekend. >> health insurance company obamacare promised lots of new customers. wait a second. says here i have to cover diet counseling alcohol rehab birth control maternity care and more. i have to raise my rates or i will lose money unless i can get taxpayers to bail me out. uncle sam? who are you calling bailout. we don't want people to know what we are talking about. we will call that risk corridor. whenever there is risk uncle sam will race down with lots of your money and give it to companies the politicians want to please. hire have some tax money. isn't obamacare great?

>> it is not just obamacare that controls us. control freaks are all over government. >> it takes a long time to put the legislation together to control the people. >> is it the process no. >> they are such control freaks and that's tos ill's show tonight. a oo and now john stossel. >> the control freaks in washington really want to run your life. we start tonight with obamacare. the administration and the eagerness to pass a law that would let government rule over health insurance want to help make sure insurance company is on the side. obamacare forces insurance companies to cover much more stuff. insurers new democrats wouldn't know how to sharply raise their rates to pay for it.

obamacare's creators decided they would tell insurance companies if you lose money don't worry. we will bail you out. they are unpopular. they used insurance company term risk corridor. that is why i embarrass myself dressing as uncle sam and doing silly stunts. you can't get your brain around it unless you watch someone demonstrate it. is it really this bad? am i exaggerating? let's ask healthcare specialist betsy mccoy. is it really this bad? >> it is. it is corrupt. you are fooling the public's own money. price your plans lower than what you actually need to cover your costs and we will come around to the back door at the end of the

year with john's money to offset most of these losses. there it is in section 13-42. >> she carries obamacare with her every where she goes. >> this is why it is so telling. this bailout expires after the 2016 elections. permanent bailouts would be uncomfortable. >> please plans are supposed to look affordable after he is out of office. everybody knows the insurance companies couldn't possibly price them that way. they have to cover so many extra things. >> alcohol rehab coverage drug addiction coverage obesity treatment, talk therapy, birth control. >> lots of things nobody wants to pay for it. >> most businesses or they would have been in the plans to begin with. it's like passing a law that the only car you are allowed to buy

is a fully loaded cadillac. >> obama tweetened the risk corridors after it passed. >> what he did was to enhance the risk orders and offer the insurance companies even more than the law allows. >> you can keep the plan a year longer and the insurance company said that is going to cost a bundle. the president said don't worry we will make it up to you quietly with "john q"'s public money again. we are entering the perfect storm to the appeal. >> the pibill az the permissibl profit margin is 3 percent verses 5 percent. >> healthcare such as salaries and profit margins so it

sweetened it for them. it violated the constitution because the president is not allowed to change the law by himself. >> it is bad enough he has been there he illegally raises it. there is just about no reporting from it. >> they were very effective. they took an insurance company term and freineded it's the same thing. >> thank you betsy. obamacare happened in the first place because democrats and republicans think consumers can't be trusted to arrange for their own healthcare. some don't buy out the insurance. some people wait until they get sick. then they rush the high cost of emergency rooms. whatever we critics of obamacare say more people have health insurance. >> the final score speaks for

itself. there are 7 and a half million people across the country that have the security of health insurance. most of them for the first time. >> that is fewer than predicted. now they are saying 9 and a half million they originally thought it would be 13 until. still 7 million have got insurance. the manhattan institute says she and the president missed the point. >> the number of people signed up isn't the number of people with insurance. the plans are now illegal. if you add up the people who got insurance on the exchange the people who got insurance through medicaid and lost the insurance through various means. >> why is it still happening? >> it is a way to allow people to get coverage more than ever. for those who get new jobs it keeps them stuck. last week one of the colleagues

on the emergency room -- >> i am a family medicine physician. my colleagues saw a little girl in the er who came in pale, unknown fever and high weight count. after the tests had unfortunate news to break whthat their chil had leukemia. what they didn't know is dad stop kwit his job month ago to start his own business. now they don't have insurance. instead of is my child going to be okay, his question is how am i going to pay for cancer treatment. >> what do you say to people like that? not everybody can pay for expensive healthcare. >> they have advocated just a kind of a system. instead of getting insurance for your employer you own the tax break yourself and you can shop for whatever plan you want and you can take it whenever you want. the problem with obamacare is

the store you described is the exception. there are people who stay in the work force because in order to maintain the benefits their income has to be so low they can't seek real work. i was there when romney stood up with the heritage foundation when the individual mandate was a wonderful thing. >> came from the republican think tank. >> the average price of an individual health insurance plan is 48 percent higher than today. they mandate aged regulate how it is done. >> a lot of the plans that were around before are the one that is went away when you really needed them. >> if you want to be conservative you go to single payer. >> single payer the government

pays for everything. whatever we want. >> no. it's saying that we are going to set the things that are absolutely necessary, preventative care, urgent care then things likes that. we would have insurance for the rest of it. >> they freeload off of us. >> that's not true. >> a woman being wield heeled i the cath lab which is what we do. we take them right into the cath lab who yells stop let me see if my insurance covers this. her husband had died four years before she has a 16-year-old doesn't want to leave her children with giant medical bills. >> no hospital refused to treat the truly needy. >> exactly. >> if you have a heart attack they are going to treat you. >> the number one cause of bankruptcy in america is

healthcare. >> you don't need insurance paper. if you had car insurance and paid for gasoline and wiper fluid and tire changes. if you look at the countries in the world where they have a system where they don't insurance for those routine expenses healthcare costs a lot less than it does in america. if you go to a cash barr you have the bud light and wine>> people don't do the preventative care they wait until it is expensive>> if you need an am tation there's more ahead. >> our most recent tats that expanded medicaid we have a much better birth rate. that's 610,000. >> we are getting false

treatment for stuff that would have never become a problem. this might happen they over treat. >> we can have a rational insurance company that protects from catastrophic loss. that is not what we do. that is not what obamacare does. >> obamacare actually doubles down all of the things that are bad about the system now and spends more money on it. >> i see why you like it you have patients getting paid and they are coming in and getting everything. oo how can america afford this? >> it was the first step we could get through congress. >> thank you. kathleen to join this argument follow me on twirt at sbn stossel. use the hash tag, no, they can't. they make our lives better they control more of it. i say no, they can't. we individuals make our lives

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>> at this shooting range in maryland everybody is shooting bullets made by an ammunition company called tom cat. cat o'connor owns the company and she is here with brian wise who runs the group called u.s. consumer's coalition. all set by a secretive project in control freak in washington called operation choke point. brian what's that? >> a program department of justice is pursuing. it intimidates banks and processors to stop doing business with industries that they fundamentally don't like. people like cat are being affected and losing the ability to provide their services and

their products. >> bad industries like cat makes ammunition. >> right. >> companies say a scene on tv i have this list at least for the department of justice. they didn't want to reveal this. firearms makers, payday loan sellers, pornography, surveillance equipment, tobacco sales lots of companies. >> they didn't want this program to be released as you mentioned the public at all. but most of these industries are industries they have tried to legislate out of existence over the last 20-30 years. they haven't been able to do that so the obama administration under the direction of eric holder of the department of justice have sdecided we are going to come up with a creative way to go after these industries. we are going to find the one unifying factor. what is that? everyone needs a bank a payment processor. we are going to go to the bank. we are going to intimidate them into stopping their client relationships with all of these

companies. >> cat, how did you find out you had been chokeed by operation choke point? >> we were told pritwice we wer rejected due to our industry. >> you suddenly find you couldn't use your pay pal? >> couldn't use pay pal business pro. it links to your web site. they would not approve our application. >> you then tried to open a bank account. i was told you can have your bank account but can't have gateway services because of your industry. >> you mean credit card processing? >> i don't have it right now. >> thousands of companies are severing letters from their banks saying they can no longer have processing services.

me here is a note from a porn star. thank you chase for closing my business i have had since i was a child. >> they have moved into check cashing debt collection services and to guns and ammunition sales. it doesn't say operation choke point on it but after 25 years of doing businesses they send a letter say can we can no longer bank you and you need to move your money some place else. >> those in the media they love things like operation choke point. >> choke point hits the mark. some few justice department people for a hearing. >> you are an attorney at the doj. has there been a hearing?

no. >> your lawyers recognized the ends justifies the means. >> they are pushing back against the control freaks. >> were the abusive lawyers cringing with guilt? no. here's the hoping statement. >> our policy is to investigate specific unlawful conduct due to consumers feeling they are defrauded. a oo on and on he went. we asked them to respond? they didn't. do they respond to your complaint? >> the only response we have had is when we go out and talk about this publically. >> some people would say it's not a threat. you are making ammunition. ammunition is good. you should be policed. >> i have a federal firearms license and state license is

from the state of maryland. it's highly regulated already. >> so you don't ever go back and say i want more. >> thank you, cat, friday. coming up the control freak's plan. >> i kwiend smoking to be tknow says the creel greek.

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>> governor chris christie signed a bill that partially legalizes in the garden state. >> millions of us said finally the politicians will make it legal. they only want to legalize betting in casinos another state controlled facility.

even that was too much for the control freaks. they threatened lawsuit. >> there is no one to stop us they will have to take action to try to stop them. >> they did. they sued in new jersey and a judge stopped it at least for now. people i interviewed in times square agreed government should prevent us from gambling. >> should betting on sports be allowed? >> never. >> encourages people to spend money they don't have. >> it does sometimes, but aren't free americans allowed to do what we want with our own money? no says rob wall gate conservative think tank american policy roundtable. why not? >> people are free to gamble in sports. it's illegal in spots right now. >> if you bet with a men it's legal in some parts of the country not all.

>> in some parts of the country not all. what they have tried to do is clearly illegal and tried to get around it by enforcing court action. >> it may be illegal but only because control freaks have made it illegal. why can't i do what i want? it's my money. >> are you advocating bet on any support in any way on any mobile device? >> if we do that it will open up a can of worms. when you say i am not here defend them or the mta. when you look at the mta athlete. you may see college sports get away. every where there will be and i know you are labelling it control freak.

>> i have been called worse. when we read the federal paper we see what madison said if men are angels we would not need the law. >> it doesn't stop athletes from occasionally missing games. wonderful athlete allegedly shaved points in one game. >> allegedly. >> nba rep is in jail for making calls. it is already illegal. in england it is legal. >> tennis scandals and the fact that people could scandal. golf they are able to wage on themselves. think of tim donahee, if we open it up it becomes legal the thought that it did old the well

to subsidize. >> we research there all we can find 8 people were jailed for fixing a soccer game. the previous incident we could find was from 1915. >> when we study gambling and the expansion of gambling around the country or the world it is on the decline every where. the thought -- gambling is on the decline? >> the government gets less money. they are sucking the money out of region wills. >> the more they gamble the less they can sell on cars washers and dry ars. >> gambling is legal activity. you can't gamble. i am not allowed to go --

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this research on what doctors said was bad for them. i wanted to stamp it out. it is important to stay protected. the concept of individual freedom was not on my radar screen. i was ignorant and arrogant. i had no real power. i couldn't force the unhealthy things. they do get to use force. economist matthew mitchell covers regulations and he wised up to the damage control freaks much more quickly than i did. these regulations do save lives. a lot of these regulations have a lot of unintended

consequences. take seat belts. surely they save lives. >> it is always thrown up against libertarians. >> if you think about the cost that you bear for driving reckless will i. wh if you lower the cost making it less likely you will be injured people will demand greater speed. there's a famous study in 1975. he found sure enough people drove more recklessly, accidents increased. the probability of being injured did fall. there was one factor that wasn't canceled out. pedestrian deaths and cyclist deaths are not protected by seat belts they made trade-offs in other ways. all new cars have to have all kinds of expensive features.

now you drive around in a clunker they are more dangerous for other reasons. >> i am amazeded how willingly people should give it up. it started by saying bars with smoking in bars is illegal in ever i war unintended consequences they plan -- introduced you seifuer accidents related to alcohol. people are driving long distances for bars outside seating or outside of the jurisdiction. >> were you surprised smokers didn't resist? >> no. >> doni don't smoke. i don't mind it. a third of the country did at the time.

>> it is interesting how eager they are to give up>> some contr control>> they want to make it illegal to sell tobacco products even an adult. 3500 people sheed up. >> i find smoking to be one of the most discussing everybody because it is even more of a disgusting thing they can do in the united states of america. >> the town officials eventually shut down that meeting. but maybe people are wising up saying enough. >> we often think are accustomed to think of federal government and federal over reach. a lot less incheesive happened at this level. >> they make an argument smoking

hurts people and sweet spots warm that are lives. >> beginning march 12th sugary beverages won't sell in portions greater than 16 ounces. >> the proposals keep coming. be berkeley california passed a tax on drinks. the tax is less onerous than the band. >> anything they want to accomplish. supreme court john marshall. there's some point beyond which taxation am akmart loir media members such as clear heeders and msnbc is still one. now they run so far even the

most ridiculous people get upset. >> is feeding the homeless a crime? a new law in one florida town says it is. >> two pastors and a 90-year-old were raised for feeding the homeless. >> they passed rules on public food sharing. whennal shap ton gets upset about the nanny state he e-mailed the mayor and told us the man was not arrested. what's your take? >> he has been feeding the homeless in a park for over 35 years. >> yeah, he is a chef. the mayor said he is not trying to outlaw them they are trying to make it safe. if you raise the cost of food

you have -- al sharpton brings with us. there's something called a public square. mir chance were saying they have all of these vagrants urinating in front of my store the diners can't eat outdoors. the houn gets to police the public square. >> you can make a much stronger case for regulation in a square than you can in a private piece of property. >> in this case it may be possible for them to find another place for nem to feed the homeless. moi that beau mitchell,>> we have another basement these yards, you don't own your property (vo) nourished.

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john: isn't that a cute little animals? prairie dogs. >> the government. is saying it's endangered therefore you must not harm one. they go further, you must not harm it or pursue it wound it

trap capture or harass it. two men harassed manatee by doing this. >> deal with that. [laughter] spee mickey jumped in the water and posted a video. they were sent to jail. you don't mess with the control freaks of fish and wildlife but this man did he messed with them by fighting them in court he was upset because it was his only and he cannot develop because of prairie dogs. last year he came on the show to complain about the government. this month he is back because you one? congratulations. the core role the constitution does not give the offense the right to drive the prairie dogs off his land. we have the pacific legal foundation the charity. tell us about this but the first time a federal court

has instituted a decision on the endangered species act. the power to regulate commerce does not extend to regulate species only located one small part of utah. john: that sounds like a technical clause but he is not that rare. there are 40,000? >> of the top prairie dog the and black tails? >> the only difference between the top prairie dog the and the millions of others is the color of its tail. john: and it only groom's itself while the black tails grew each other. >> i did not know that. john: and environmentalists say makes it a unique species a you cannot develop during and. >> we are not developed - - being judged by the courts our judiciary belli is

written, administrative laws by bureaucrats. a bureaucrat can tell me what i can or cannot do with my property then they hold a big hammer over my head to make sure. the fine to harm or harass even want is often thousand dollars and five years in federal prison. john: for one of them? you have 85 on your property. there is a process to remove them. >> it was a waiting list and it took three years then i had removed 10 of the 85 then i went down to the bottom of the list again. so in reality it was impossible to ever read them -- get rid of them. john: so why you need to get rid of them? but our fox loss angeles

reporter did a good job to say how makes it dangerous for kids to play and they do nasty things to a neighborhood. >> here in iron county utah the critters are taking over to a local church for the pastor says it is too dangerous for the kids to play. >> right now the animals have dominion over us. >> as mayor, her town's cemetery is falling apart. >> we had a problem over 20 years now they are tipping the stones. >> people are sick and tired of putting up with them because they have more rights and better paid lawyers. john: you work for free? animals are helpless property owners are rich. >> that is not true. there is a lot of very

wealthy environmental groups paying attention and lobbying for species to be added to the list by the hundreds. john: friends of animals groups say we will appeal to the tenth circuit to work of ths embarrassing judicial work. the government partners with them. >> coming in on this side of the government to defend the lawsuit and tinkly there were not enough the court ruled the commerce clause limits still apply and he should use his property. john: don't you want to protect god's creatures? >> we have plenty and we want to protect them the day the ruling came down they said will you kill them without on your property? i said no. we're not interested to kill them just in our constitutional rights of private property which we don't have currently.

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out for a bike ride. i didn't think i'd have a heart attack. but i did. i'm mike, and i'm very much alive. now my doctor recommends a bayer aspirin regimen to help prevent another heart attack. be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. >> did you notice i opened the show with a clip of a congressman saying this?

>> it takes a long time to put the legislation together to control the people. >> politicians work hard to control the people. that was no ordinary congressman. that's john dingell. he's been in office 59 years. yes, 59. here he is with president true man. his father was a congressman, too. he was first elected in 1933. he died in office and was replaced by his son. dingell jr. will finally retire this year. next year his district will be with a younger person a woman, debbie dij. dingell? same name? yes, his wife. debbie worked for gm, the family made millions from gm while congressman dingell pushed for five bailouts of gm. aside from protecting his home town auto maker he is as much of

a control freak as any one in congress. dingell's web site says he wrote it. i wonder what debbie will control. she is almost 30 years younger so maybe they will stay in office 59, too. do they ever unban anything? occasionally. >> from this day on the 18th amendment is doomed. >> they realized alcohol now that they banned it. generally the control freaks only increased control. take tig gret the -- cigarettes then bans on tv ads then restaurants have no smoking. then the ban on airplane, schools, workplaces entire restaurants and bars, too. sometimes apartments and outdoor

spaces. i do smoke. i hit the smell of secondhand spoke. >> new, it has to hoom in here. can't i have this moment and state by state, the spokers just take it the smokers still take it. when he gives up his hand he gives up his freedom. they wanted to ban tobacco sales hundreds of people showed up and complained. >> i find smoking to be one of the most disgusting habits anybody could possibly do. on top of that i find this proposal to be even more of a disgusting thing anybody could

ever give in the united states of america. the control vehicles walls ant more. >> there are 50 cities with their own plastic bag behan's. >> large capacity ammunition magazines. >> boycott the sale of alcohol. >> banned from coming to the united states. >> every precaution. >> it is always more. i talk on this show i talk a lot about he can am noic freedom. the world knows economic freedom is what creates prosperity. prosperity is a big deal but the three-part which sounds a little page. individual choices matter. not just because i like choice. when government argue more.

we become right believe government should promote food things. if you are on the right maybe you think government should promote marriage or religious charities or maybe you think it should ban porn, pot, violent video gameings. >> that's a license for the control freak. doll tiggses and voters can cream of controls that occur constantly changed. every prairie drog healthcare is paid for by strangers in washington. politicians can dream about that but they want do it. no. they can't and they shouldn't try. as frederick hiyac.

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