the lives of our service members a little better. we were sorry to learn he took his own life on wednesday after developing some serious health problems. he was just 43 years old. dominic was a great friend, a patriot, and we will miss him. thanks for watching, everyone. i'm meighan kelly. this is the kelly file. this is a fox news alert. i'm lela gabriel in new york. an apparent hostage situation drags on at a cafe in sidney, australia, with no resolution in sight. the intense drama has been going on for about six hours now. cops have swarmed the exterior of the cafe and a short time ago, six people ran away from the building where the situation is unfolding. authorities have not confirmed the number of hostages remaining inside but say it's less than 30 as previously reported. the captor remains a mystery. there were people's hands in the air, and also someone holding a

black flag with white arabic writing on it. police are doing all they can to have a peaceful resolution. >> our aim is to resolve this issue peacefully. we have numerous police force n on-site in that effort to make sure that everybody who is in this location remains unharmed. we do not have any information that suggests anybody is harmed at this stage. and a peaceful resolution will be what we are working towards. we have our police negotiators on-site. they are some of the best in the world. and we are very fortunate that we have these police dealing with the matter at the moment. >> the u.s. reportedly has-zç evacuated our con ssul in sidne as a precaution and also issued a warning to americans there. they are urging u.s. citizens, to, quote, retain a high level of vigilance and take extra steps to keep themselves safe. we're also receiving reports

that some local schools are on lockdown and not allowing school groups to leave school grounds. we are following this story very closely and we will bring you updates as we get them. i'm leah gabriel. we now join "stossel" in progress. >> everything happens in the stars. it makes no sense. dozens of studies have debunked astrolo astrology. i'll tell you why astrologers have duped people in the show. let's ask our skeptic michael sherman. he wrote the book, "believing brain." our brains are faulty, michael? it leads us to believe in nonsense? >> i wouldn't say they're faulty, but they do believe in nonsense because we believe just about everything we hear or see or read about or are told by others, and there is an evolutionary reason for that. imagine you're an ancient human on the plains of africa millions of years ago and you hear a

ruffle in the grass. is it a dangerous predator or just the wind? if you assume the ruffle in rus grass is a dangerous predator and it's just the wind, no harm done. if you believe it's just the wind and it's a dangerous predator, then you're toast. we're the descendants of those most likely to believe everything is real just in case it is. our brains are like lawyers, martialing the evidence so support the case. i think astrology is real, whatever it is, you find the evidence to fit it and you ignore the evidence that doesn't fit it. >> so things believe in things like ghosts and global warming, but aliens? about a third of americans believe in ufos.

>> do you think there are aliens? >> yes. >> aliens, yes, definitely. >> absolutely. >> yes. yes, i do. 100%. >> i mean, what's that about? >> so what's going on here is that aliens are sort of like gods or dieties or something bigger than us, and we know from psychological research that people naturally think everything happens for a reason, that the way things unfold in life are designed, that there is something out there that tries to make sense of the whole universe, directs and controls things. so aliens are kind of a version of that, that there's something out there that knows about us and are watching us, that kind of thing. >> i look at the numbers and they're appalling to me. 42% ghosts, 36% ufos, astrology, wich witches, reincarnation.

it makes me wonder why do people become democrats or republicans? is that not based on logic? >> actually, no, political parties are kind of a tribal belief. you gravitate toward the world view that feels best for you, and then you find the evidence to fit it. >> it's what your friends believe, what your parents believe, but how does this explain our libertarians? because almost no one is a libertarian. i think i came to my beliefs because the liberal soup i was swimming in, the liberal clan made no sense to me once i researched it, but aren't i logical to become libertarian? it's just logic. >> we do stand behind a core of beliefs about autonomy of the individual, freedom of the individual, we want to be left alone. but nevertheless, if you veer too far from the core set of idealogies, like i did, you'll get a lot of angry letters from libertarians saying, hey, you're not a member of our tribe anymore.

they didn't say that, they just said, you're giving up on freedom, you don't believe in the constitution. oh, you want to burn the constitution? no. there is that mobile sense like you violated our tribe and what we stand for. that's pure emotions, john. there's no logic there at all. >> just to be clear, when you say believe in climate change, i believe in climate change, too, climate changes, but do you believe it's a catastrophe. >> there are many who believe the world is coming to an end. i don't think so, i don't think the evidence supports that. but when you make projections out of a century or two, the error margins are too wide to make that conclusion. >> thank you, michael shermer. i want to believe that people in business are rational because money is at stake. if you're hiring somebody, you want to make sure the new employee is competent. it turns out job recruiters are not rational about that, either. once in my abc days, i sent a pair of actors to apply for the same job.

i gave them the exact same resume, told them to say the same things, and they did. there was one difference between the people: one was exceptionally good looking, the other was not. before we sent them out, wade makeup artist increase the difference. she touched up the lookers, and with the others, added some blemishes and bags under their eyes. then we sent them out in matching outfits. both applied for the same secretarial job. even without seeing this recruiter's face, you can hear the warmth in his voice as he talks to pretty donya. >> i guess it's just me. >> to less attractive amy, the interviewer says roughly the same things but his tone is less friendly. he tells her there is a lunch break. >> lunch break monday through friday, a 45-minute lunch break. >> but with good-looking donya, the lunch break is more flexible. >> our lunch break policy is 45

minutes, but we're not real strict around here. >> he told donya she was liningly to be hired. >> you're definitely in the lead right now. >> really? >> yeah. >> he later offered her the job. he never even called amy back. and the pattern continued with employer after employer. we did the same test with two male actors. same result. the good-looking people did much better. we hear about people being racially biased, sexist, but lookists or looksist? i think people are more irrational about good looks. economist robert samson says we have more biases that we don't even think about. he wrote a book called "overcoming bias." do you buy this looksist bias? >> absolutely. he is more selfish by choosing the looker employee, but he's

probably not really helping the company. we're a bit blase about this, kids will be kids or whatever, but, oh, my gosh, i'm biassed. i could be wrong about everything. how do i deal with that? some of us want to know, what do we do? how can we actually do better? >> are we wrong about a lot of things? >> we're wrong about an awful lot of things. we're biased about who we want to hire, we're biased about who we like for jobs. >> the picture on the top of your jobs is ulysses tied at the mast. why? >> because it's so seductive. we think we're prettier, we think we're smarter. ulysses had to tie himself, he had to restrain himself. >> he begs the other crew members. >> please, please, but they had wax in their ears so they

couldn't hear. that's what we have to do if we're going to overcome bias. it's really hard. >> for students, they evaluate teachers now in college. you found an uninteresting bias there. >> it's well known that if the class is a nice time, easy class, you give out more a's, you get better student evaluations. universities could correct for that if they wanted, but they don't bother. >> you think it's because the person is a better teacher. >> it feels like that. >> it feels like that to the writer. he's not just saying, oh, he gave me a good grade. >> just like the recruiter. that recruiter probably felt like this was really a better employee. it just happened to be a prettier employee, but that really wasn't part of the evaluation. >> if a person says something, if they have higher status, we're likely to agree with them. >> if you're at a party and he's a physician cyst and he's pontig

about education -- a place like fox owns more outlets, some of which review movies and some movies which were made by fox. >> 20th century fox makes movies like "i, robot" and "doctor doolittle 2." they have reviewers, and you're telling me fox reviewers don't give better reviews to fox movies? >> no, they don't. >> do you think they're worried about getting fired or demoted by their bosses? >> readers care about fair reviews, and there is a market discipline so you need to supply the customers with what they want if you're going to succeed. >> i don't mean to say a lot of fox here. this implies a lot of other companies. i can just use those films. >> why aren't they biased, you could say? they work for fox, they feel good about fox, why don't these biases work for them? because they have an incentive.

incentives can overcome biases. >> prediction markets help people do that. >> bet on it. you've probably been in a conversation or argument where you get really pompous and you make all these claims and somebody says, okay, let's bet it on. and you feel it right then. you go, oh, wait a minute. what are we betting on? how are we wording that exactly again? i don't mean that part, i meant this. now you back off because you know, now you're on the hook. incentives change your mind. >> and prediction markets are doing that like sites like prediction markets. they're more accurate. >> if there's a betting market on it, just look at the odds. >> thank you, robert hanson. to join this discussion, please follow me on twitter. use the hash tag reason or like my facebook page. you can post on my wall.

i want to know what you think. coming up, most people believe a minimum wage helps the poor. most people believe charity helps the poor more than investment. they're irrational. that's next.

. >> raise the wa . raise the wa raise the wage! >> one of the simplest and fastest ways to start helping folks get ahead is by raising the minimum wage. >> raising the minimum sounds reasonable to most americans. recently people in conservative states like alaska, south dakota, nebraska voting to raise the minimum wage. americans also support laws against price couching and monopolies, but if you simply pay attention to free markets, you would know that monopolies are not really a problem today and that laws against price gouging deprive people of good things, of what they need after disasters. minimum wage hurts people. economist lee jones says there is so many economic myths. let's go over these three. minimum wage first. americans say, help people? >> yeah, it seems obvious to a lot of people that giving

low-income workers a raise is going to make them better off. for the people who keep their jobs, that's definitely true. but if you just think about it, and even one person is losing their job and more than one person is losing their job, if even one person is losing their job, that means less stuff is getting made. our pie is getting smaller. so the minimum wage has to be making us poorer overall. >> price gouging laws. you ask anybody, should there be laws against price gouging, they say yes. gouging. >> especially after a natural disaster. people get really sympathetic to the claim that a few businesses are going to have the flashlights and the light bulbs and the batteries and the water, and so should they be allowed to charge more for these resources? >> no. >> the problem is after a crisis, that's just when you need more supply. that's when you need some guy with a pickup truck a hundred miles away to throw a bunch of bottles of water in the back of his truck and drive into a disaster area. and price gouging laws keep this guy from doing that. >> far more people suffer. >> so one of the reasons that

governments have to provide so much disaster relief is ptly because they're not letting the invisible hand do its job. >> now, most schools say monopoly is the place where you have market failure. if one company gets too big, they could raise their prices as much as they want and rip us off. >> joseph shump was a great economist who taught us that when someone sees a monopoly, other businesses want to come in and try to get that monopoly and steal it from another company. if there's one monopoly, there are five or ten other companies trying to put that company out of business with competition. >> microsoft is a monopoly, government is a monopoly. >> those companies have shrunk and they've lost market share. companies like microsoft, people say, oh, they're going to run the internet. and i think a number of people who are using their browsers, relatively small now. >> natural resources are what makes a country rich. >> a lot of people take for

granted that natural resources make a country rich, but if you look around at the world's richest economies and the world's economies that have started from poverty and boosted up from the middle income brackets. a place like japan with almost no natural resources, but our biggest, most important resource, is the minds of our people. >> and you have very poor countries with lots of natural resources like nigeria. >> and countries with a lot of natural resources often end up in a world of civil war where people are fighting over that scarce form of wealth rather than building up the human mind. that's the real source of wealth. >> finally, there is another thing everyone knows is true. what really helps people, poor people, is charity. what helps people more, charity or capitalism? >> charity. >> oh, my god. i would say charity. >> charity. >> charity. >> people just assume that. >> but, you know, so if that were true, then people would not

be getting richer in capitalist countries. it's the capitalist nations that are making people much more prosperous. and sharing a bigger pie is a great thing to do, but first you have to have a big pie in the first place. >> as we approach christmas, we think of ebenezer scrooge. you would argue he did more good for people, not when he bought them food to eat at dinner, but when he invested? >> when he's saving money, he's keeping money in the bank, and that's money that gets lent out to investors, to people who want to build homes, to people who need to borrow money to make it past a rainy day. >> disney's imitation of him was uncle scrooge from the comcomic. they show him playing around with his pile of money, but that's not what entrepreneurs do with their money. >> whether they're putting it in the bank or investing it themselves, they're helping to grow the pie for somebody else. the best he can do is to

allocate his wealth to whoever can do the most with it. >> to millions of people. thank you, garrett jones. coming up, do you trust authority? what would you do if someone in authority told you, give a man with a heart condition horrible electric shocks. >> he might be dead in there. i mean, some people can't take the shock, sir. the volkswagen golf was just named motor trend's 2015 car of the year. so was the 100% electric e-golf, and the 45 highway mpg tdi clean diesel.

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two more just moments ago. the situation has been unfolding for nearly six hours now, and so far no reports of injuries. police and australian security forces are out in force. australia's prime minister also speaking a short time ago. he's urging australians to go about their business. >> you saw how police are responding. they're being strongly supported by commonwealth agencies. we don't yet know the motivation of the perpetrator. we don't know whether this is politically motivated, although obviously there are some indications that it could be. >> some of the hostages have been lined up in the shop's windows, arms in the air with hands pressed against the glass. video shows two people holding up what appear to be a black flag with arabic writing on it. the police say they are looking into what is on that flag, but they are not classifying this as a terrorist incident at this point. the u.s. has reportedly evacuated our consulate in sidney as a precaution and

issued an emergency warning to americans there. the roiters news agency reports officials are urging u.s. citizens to, quote, maintain a high level of vigilance and take extra steps to keep themselves safe. we will keep you updated throughout the night as this situation develops. this has been a fox news alert. i'm leah gabriel. now back to "stossel." >> you ought to try to remember each pair. >> 50 years ago, yale psychologist stanley milger conducted this nasty experiment. >> if you get a correct find -- if you make an error, houwever, you'll be punished by an electric shock. >> he called the people giving the shocks teachers. >> your teachers will give you the shock. try to remember the word pairs. >> incorrect. i am now giving a shock of 75 volts. >> the test subjects kept making mistakes. >> 150 volts. sad face. >> that's all. get me out of here. i told you i have heart trouble.

my heart is starting to bother me now. >> actually, the man did not have a heart condition and was not receiving the shocks. that was a recording. >> let me out. >> still, most teachers kept giving the shocks. >> that is incorrect. this will be a 330. >> ow! >> most also resisted. >> i don't want to go any further. >> but even though the experimenter had no real power over the teachers, he wasn't their boss or commanding officer, most still did what they were told. >> i mean, who is going to take responsibility if anything happens to that gentleman? >> i'm responsible if anything happens to him. continue, please. >> 120 volts. 135 volts. 450 volts. he might be dead in there. i mean, some people can't take the shocks, sir. >> please continue. >> i don't mean to be rude, but i think you should look in on them. >> finally they told the test subjects the truth.

>> god bless you, boy, you had me shaking in here. >> nice to see you. >> same here. >> i understand that a group of psychologists was asked to predict how many people would give the maximum voltage and they thought less than 1%, but it turned out to be half the people. >> 65% of the people went to the very top and gave the highest level of shock even though they thought the person on the other side might be dead or unconscious. both men and women, most of them went up to the very top. >> later stanley milgrim made a documentary about the experiments. the video was part of that. i like the way he ended his documentary. >> in this study, an anonymous experimenter could have adults with a 65-year-old man promote shocks against his protests. one can only wonder what the government, with its greater

prestige, can command of its subjects. >> yeah, i wonder, too. government gets to use force. this experiment couldn't do that. >> that's right. milgrim actually was jewish, and after the holocaust, he, like the rest of the world, was trying to figure out how these things happen, how you get lots of people to attack and kill their unarmed neighbors. and he found that you put the subject closer by, then people are less likely to go to the top. if you put the experimenter, the guy in the white lab coat, farther away, then people are also less likely to go to the top. >> and i even wonder if this experiment could be done today because some of the experimenters say they were traumatized by giving the shocks and might not be allowed today. >> yeah, i think that's right. it's not taught as much as it was when it first came out. i think the most important thing is that every generation learns this and understands this so

that when they're in a situation with authority, they recognize the patterns in milgrim's experiments like you set up simple rules, you give people titles, like you're a teacher, or in other experiments, you're a guard, things like that. there's some sort of goal happening. you make the exit costs high. there is a diffusion of responsibility where you tell the person, i'm responsible, not you. all of these things are the necessary ingredients for a population to have blind obedience. >> frightening. thank you, david eagleman. coming up, this guy tries to reason with climate change protesters at a climate march. but the protesters weren't reasonable. >> excuse me. hey, excuse me, this is private property. this is private property. this is mine. sheila! you see this ball control?

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fear? asking people in times square qu what's reasonable to fear? asking people in times square questions for this show, one question got the most yes answers. here it is. is global warming a big problem? >> yes, it is. >> i think it's a huge issue and we're all killing ourselves. >> it scares me. it should scare everybody. look how bad the storms have gotten, look how bad the fires have gotten. >> look how bad the fires get. we're killing ourselves. there have been some nasty storms lately. this fall a well-known environmental expert said this at the united nations. >> accelerated climate change is here right now. droughts are intensifying, our oceans are acidifying with methane plumes rising up from the ocean floor. we are seeing events and arctic and green sheet ice melting decades ahead of scientific projections. none of this is rhetoric and none of it is hysteria, it is fact. >> fact.

extreme weather events, methane plumes rising up. we are told all scientists agree that we've got to cut back on the use of fossil fuels. but then i see this book, "the moral case for fossil fuels." how can fossil fuels be moral? alex epstein wrote the book. what are you talking about? you've got your "i love fossil fuel" t-shirt on. >> with everything in life we need to look at the magnitude of life and the benefit. >> what about this book? the earth is perfect without us and we don't mess it up. assuming we've made the world imure, climate death is down. >> i've started calling it the perfect planet premise, which is that nature gave us a perfect planet and all we can do is mess it up. if you went to someone 300 years ago and asked them, do you have a perfect climate compared to

now, they were terrified of climate because it doesn't give you the resources you need. it doesn't give you water when you need it, it doesn't give you temperature when you need it. we've mastered climate, and that's why so few people have died from climate. dicaprio should learn this. >> deaths from climate are down? >> incredibly down. last we're we heard record, record, record, and we decided most of it was bogus or out of context. climate deaths were under 30,000. compare that to 1931 where you have 3.7 million. upwards of that with a population of less than one-third today, this is an incredible achievement of fossil fuels. and we have theb>fa luxury of b able to absorb a certain amount of climate-related damage. >> in terms of deaths, also before the '70s there may have been more deaths that we didn't know about. >> now if we have a disaster, everyone knows about it. it's just amazing how we have mastered climate.

>> people were in a climate in bangladesh. there was a tornado. we didn't know. >> what is the incentive for overreporting deaths? you get money for overreporting deaths. environment is not something to submit to, it's something to master. >> so the problem with the hype is that our lives are okay, but half the people on earth don't have the fuel they need. >> that means they have no machines to do work for them. that is a rough way to live. >> and this is the only thing that's affordable. people think they could get it from wind power or solar power. can't they? >> there's not even one freestanding solar wind plant in the entire world. germany, the alleged model get 6% of wind and solar combined, and they can't rely on any of it. that's why they're relying on more coal and more wood. >> this is just cruel to poor people. alex likes to take his argument

to college campuses, to environmental groups. here he is at the recent people's climate march. at one point some of the demonstrators got so angry at his "i love fossil fuels" sign they tried to rip it out of his hands. >> excuse me. hey, excuse me, this is private property. this is private property. this is mine. >> they're not so keen on private property. >> i'm not sure she had heard those words thrown together before. >> america's secretary of state seems convinced that climate change is a big problem. he says the science is absolutely certain. >> the science of climate change is leaping out at us like a scene from a 3-d movie. it's warning us, it's compelling us to act when 97% of all scientists agree on anything, we need to listen. >> what do you say to secretary of state kerry? >> he's equating climate impact

with climate catastrophe. that whole string in that speech that he gave to indonesia, he starts from climate impact and then he says, oh, yeah, and they all agree with my policy. it ends with 97% agree with kerry's political policies. >> you're not a climate change skeptic, you're a climate catastrophe skeptic. >> i think i'm a climate catastrophe refuter at this point. thank you, alex. coming up, the thing that finally convinced me to be more reasonable. experience all the real possibilities...

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conservative publications. but when i read them, i thought, wow, they want to police my bedroom and police the whole world. that doesn't seem reasonable to me. finally i discovered this little magazine called "reason." it was skeptical of both left and right, and the more i read it, the more it made sense. these people really understand life much better than i do. now, these people were not matt welch and mick gillespie, the current editors of "reason." you guys were probably barely out of diapers then if you are now. how did you become reasonable so much more quickly than i did? >> for me it was that my brother, who is older than me, went to college, found it in the college bookstore and started sending it home to me -- >> this magazine? >> this magazine. like you, i was hearing a lot of stuff about the right is always right or the left is always right, and none of that spoke to me. in a recent magazine which talks

about free minds and free markets, the founder hated hippies and he hated cops who beat up hippies. >> he hated hippies because he thought they were emotional and foolish. >> and also destructional toward capitalism. >> it really came home for me after i came back to the united states after living in central europe for eight years. in the late '90s when i came back looking for the same type of politics you saw there, which is people hated communism, they loved capital free markets, and they thought there should be personal freedom to do what you wanted to do. i came back and looked for anyone who had that sense of beliefs and they didn't really exist much. "reason" came out, a magazine that was kind of about politics, but it also hated politics and tried to speak like human speak. it was immediately attractive to me in a way that artificial phobe media is not.

>> we're a political magazine that hates politics because we think the most interesting things in life happen beyond that, and it happens in businesses like uber, or b & b on the internet. or groups that form together, whether they're religious organizations or charities. there's so much more interesting than what goes on at washington, d.c. >> but you have this reason implying that others isn't. >> he said in his editor's note announcing the first issue, logic, not legends, coherence, n not contradictions. if you address this, ultimately you can change people's minds, including, but especially, people at home with which you disagree with idealogy and politics. >> speaking of the stereo issues you were talking about, one of

the big royals, we had a reporter go there. >> love canal is a place in upstate new york. >> and niagara falls was built on top of a toxic chemical dump, and in the late 1970s, it told everything wrong in corporate america. >> was giving people cancer and this is why there was a cancer epidemic. >> exactly. a reporter went up and he found out it was actually the school board of niagara falls that was the real bad actor here, because they had bought the property from the chemical company that said, hey, you know what, don't let anybody build on this. then they sold it because they could make money on it. it also turned out that the science was bogus. >> on two fronts, no one caught a cold from anything that's

proven. >> there is no -- people still think there is. >> let's at least get to the point. then let's have the argument rather than just arguing from emotional points of view or saying facts don't matter, what really matters is my point of view. >> and everyone's point of view is that airline prices were something that had to be controlled by government. >> not just airline prices but even the food they served on flights. >> and if there's going to be a new route between new york and houston, then the existing airlines that flew that route had to approve someone else flying that. weirdly enough, they never really did. this was just accepted until how things had to be. >> this was, until a cover story that we did that the existing regulation of airlines won't make sense, and if you deregulated them, they might be seen as all point.

can a process, lo and behold, less than five years later. this is a great example of deregulation helping people over 30. >> thank you, matt and nick. coming up, people believe in astrology, so i showed college students when i told them, their horosco horoscope. but it was really this mass murderer's horoscope. i'll tell you what happened when we return.

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. john: a "gallup poll" says a third of americans believe in a gallop poll says about a third of americans believe in astrology. in times square it seemed like most did. >> i love astrology. i'm a big believer, yeah. >> is it rational to believe in astrology? >> absolutely, absolutely. everything happens from the stars. >> yeah, i'm deep into it. >> why? how does logic at the time of your birth predict anything? this man, ed kemper, she created a horoscope based on kemper's birthplace and time. kemper happened to be a serial killer who murdered six hitch hikers, his grandparents and his own mother. i then gave his horoscope to a

class of college students. we gathered their birthdates before, and i told them, don't look at your neighbor's copy. this is personal. this is your 24-page horoscope. the students read the same 25 pages and then said things like, wow, i didn't believe in astrology before, but this is amazing. no one could have known all these things about me. i'm a believer. why would they think kemper's horoscope was theirs? because astrologers and other fortune tellers like psychics and palm readers are good at telling people things that they think applies just to them. maybe i can do it to you. i can read your mind through the tv. think of the name of a country that starts with the letter d. got one? now take the second letter of that country and think of an animal that starts with that letter. got it? i bet you're thinking of an

elephant, right? i'm psychic. i know what you think. or more reasonably, if you ask people to think of a country that begins with d, the country most of us think of is denmark. denmark's second letter is e. most people think of an elephant rather than an eagle or electric eel. but maybe you thought i could read your mind. likewise, a strstrologists say things that apply to anyone. oh, you have jupiter in the seventh house, so people collaborate to help you. security is important to you. you have an above average sense of humor. most americans think they have an above average sense of humor. also, when someone says lots of stuff like that, kemper's horoscope is 24 pages, remember, they're bound to hit on some things that make you say, oh, yeah, that's really about me. listen to this one. she once didn't mind a horoscope, she cost a lot of

money, and this year she says eclipses will have a certain effect on people with zodiac signs. >> here we have taurus and scorpio and leo and a conveyor arri -- aquarius. >> you feel it if it's your sign and if it isn't your sign. astrologists also encourage people. oh, you have the stars on you next month. evolution has trained our brains to have something called confirmation bias. when there's lots of information, we focus on the things that are true. if you have old magazines around the house, you remember the hit. if you break your leg next month, you say, oh, the astrologer predicted that.

but you forget the dozens of misses. a strstrology is fun, but reaso better. i wish people applied reason to most parts of their lives, including hitting the voting booth. that's our show live. see you next week.