the philadelphia suburbs for bradley william stone. police investigating an attempted carjacking that involved a man matching his description. the shootings happened monday at three separate houses. stone and his ex-wife had been having a bitter custody battle over their children. and in australia, police say they had to end that 16-hour hostage standoff when they did or the death toll would have been higher. police stormed the sydney cafe after hearing gunfire. the gunman and two hostages were killed. the gunman has been identified as from iran. he had a history of violent behavior. i'm robert gray. "hannity" starts right now. "han" this is a fox news alert. more protests in new york city this weekend following the grand jury decisions in both the eric garner and michael brown cases. now, new yorkers were caught on camera calling for the killing of police officers.

watch this. >> what do we want? >> dead cops! >> when do we want them? >> now! >> much more on that disturbing video coming up. but first tonight a 16-hour standoff in sydney, australia, came to a dramatic end today when police stormed a cafe in which an armed iranian-born man held a total of 17 hostages. police say three people were killed including the gunman and two hostages. four others were wounded. fox's own catherine herridge is standing by in washington tonight. and she has all the details. catherine. >> thank you, sean. a counterterrorism source tells fox news tonight there's little doubt the hostage is an act of islamic terrorism. but the question is whether the suspect, man haron monis was a member or acted alone. >> it really makes isis in that way much more lethal and dangerous than al qaeda was as

far as being able to stop and anticipate these attacks. >> since the spring isis has gained momentum and swept across iraq. at least 20 americans with legal permanent residents have tried to help the terror group with at least a dozen more currently fighting in iraq or syria. ram twod canadian soldiers with his car killing one and within days another so-called lone wolf shot a third soldier dead at canada's tomb of the unknowns in ottawa. a self-radicalized convert stopped and attacked new york city cops with a hatchet. a law enforcement bulletin obtained exclusively by fox news shows thompson was obsessed with radical islam with more than 277 search terms for jihad. when it comes to tracking western recruits or working with isis, a former ranking member of the house intelligence committee says the u.s. is handicapped by the wikileaks revelations and now the democrat-led senate intelligence report on the cia

interrogations. >> this is a close ally. you know, their society is very parallel to ours. the laws are very similar. this is happening there. this could be the united states tomorrow. >> and today in a series of raids federal authorities confirmed the arrest of ten people with france's homeland security minister calling the disruption of jihadi recruitment networks to iraq and syria their governments highest priority, sean. >> catherine herridge in washington tonight. and just yesterday former acting cia director mike morell sounded the alarm about a possible threat in the homeland in the coming year. >> we're going to see this kind of terrorism around the world. and we are going to see it here, nora. we are going to see this kind of attack here. and we need to be prepared for that. it shouldn't surprise people when this happens here some time over the next year or so. guarantee. >> and meanwhile this news comes after more fallout over the weekend regarding the senate

intel report on the cia's enhanced interrogation techniques. now, former vice president dick cheney he continued his criticism of the democratic-led panel's findings. watch this. >> torture to me, chuck, is an american citizen on a cell phone making his last call to his four young daughters shortly before he burns to death in the upper levels of the trade center in new york city on 9/11. there's this notion that somehow there's moral equivalence between what the terrorists did and what we do and that's absolutely not true. we were very careful to stop short of torture. the senate has seen fit to label their report torture, but we worked hard to stay short of that definition. >> now, the former vice president is not alone. supreme court justice scalia also defended the cia in an interview with a swiss radio station last week. >> i think it is very facile for

people to say, oh, torture is terrible. you pause it, the situation where a person that you know, for sure, knows the location of a nuclear bomb that has been planted in los angeles. and will kill millions of people. you think it's an easy question? you think it's clear that you cannot use extreme measures to get that information out of that person? i don't think that's so clear at all. >> here with reaction is human rights watch executive director ken roth. let's use the justice's example. you have somebody in custody. he has knowledge of where a nuclear weapon is about to be detonated. are you going to sanctimoniously say we don't have every obligation to use every technique to extract the information necessary? >> it's so interesting that cheney and scalia are having to resort to these strong man arguments. cheney says moral equivalence between the terrorists and

torturers -- >> let me ask you a specific question. >> answer. >> scalia's resorting to the ticking time bomb scenario. but that's not what happened. let's look at abu zubaydah. they held him hostage -- >> you may have your talking points, but you're sitting here in this morally superior way -- >> i'm just following the law. the law says torture's a crime. >> i got that. but the justice department at the time ruled enhanced interrogation is not torture. my question to you is if there's somebody of knowledge of a nuclear weapon about to go off in a major city which is not that farfetched, i don't think, do you have any limits to extract that information? >> sean, that situation has never come up -- >> if it does come up -- >> sean -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> look at the real world.

>> this is the real world. >> zubaydah was held for 47 days before waterboarding. he was singing while they were treating him well and then they started torturing him and he stopped. so stop with these hypotheticals -- >> i'm not going to stop with the hypotheticals. >> in the real world torture got them nothing. >> are you critical of president obama and the use of drone strike sns. >> yes, indeed. let's look at the torture. >> i reject your term torture. >> you may reject it, but everybody else -- >> the justice department at the time approved -- yes, they did. they approved the techniques. let me give you another example -- yeah, i know. but you came here with a list of talking points. >> that's not talking points. >> i'm trying to get you to get out of your parameters -- >> you want to go to the unreal world. >> i want to help you think critically. you have two children, two kidnappers come to your home. they take your two kids, one of

them gets away with the kids in the car, you tackle the other kidnapper. okay? this happens often. this is a real live scenario. your kid with one of the kidnappers, the other kidnapper's with you. what would you do to extract the information about where your children are being held? what would you be willing to do? >> let me show you -- >> no, answer. >> i was a prosecutor. i've interrogated terrorists. what works is building rapport and getting them to talk. >> please, terrorist, please tell us. >> no, no, look what happened. when they talked to the people -- >> pretty please with sugar on top. >> it worked. >> with sugar on top? >> how was he behaving -- he shut up when they tortured him. >> in the real world in the real room when ksm was using enhanced interrogations that in fact he started singing like a bird and that they gave him direct knowledge of the courier which led us to osama bin laden. do you think it was wrong for

america to kill bin laden? >> no. >> you don't think it was wrong? >> the senate torture -- >> if ksm was swinging like a bird, why waterboard him 193 -- >> listen, i think this is a partisan democratic report. you didn't have any republicans on -- >> talk to mccain. >> didn't interview cia directors or jose rodriguez. it's an incomplete report when you don't interview the people actively involve. >> you keep saying that the justice department -- let's look at what happened. the cia knew it was torture and they had a problem. they went to the criminal division of the justice department and said do you promise not to prosecute? and they said no. they got some partisan lawyers to approve -- >> like the partisan report. last question. i want to go back to the guy that you have in your custody after he kidnapped your two kids. are you saying you wouldn't use force and pain to extract the information -- wait a minute, to

find your own children? >> i would use what works. >> i'm asking. >> torture never works. >> you would say pretty please with sugar on top? i tell you what i would do, i would beat the living hell out of them and make sure i find out where my kids. >> it wouldn't work. >> everybody has predicated on your belief that if you're nice to the terrorists they'll give you information. you are naive beyond understanding. >> tortured and tortured and get zero action -- >> excuse me. jose rodriguez who was there, you weren't there, said that that ksm enhanced interrogation led to the courier which led to bin laden. you're calling him a liar? are you calling him bin laden? the senate report is a partisan report. >> it didn't get any -- >> so you would give candy and sugar -- >> no. i would interrogate him in a way that works which is not torture. >> be nice. >> not be nice. you push them. you interrogate them, cross examine -- >> you use sleep deprivation. >> it's wrong, it's dishonest and it doesn't work.

>> you know what, it does work. you're wrong. thank you. joining me with more the man that killed osama bin laden former navy s.e.a.l. rob o'neill. what would you do? >> well, i agree with your previous guest that it's proper to use what works. what works are techniques that do work, playing loud music, sleep deprivation, stress position, something that makes them uncomfortable, something that gets them out of their comfort zone. if they're claustrophobic and you put them in a tight space, then you can come in later, be it a few hours -- a number of hours later and then you can start to relieve some of it. it's going to work. they're going to change their tune. torture, if you can walk away from it as soon as it ends, it's not torture. these are techniques that can be used to find the truth, find them in a lie and exploit it. >> rob, a lot of my friends that have become navy s.e.a.l.s., they themselves went through

many of these techniques like zubaydah and ksm. did you have to go through that in your train sng. >> oh, yeah. they used all kinds of techniques to make it very, very uncomfortable. we have surf torture, drown proofing. if some of these human watch people saw field training, they'd probably try to cancel it and lose some of our best military personnel in the world. >> and it makes you stronger as somebody who needs to go out into these dangerous situations, does it not? >> of course it does. it can be used both ways. it's used on us to teach us we can make our bodies do anything that we want through our minds. we use our minds to convince ourselves to do that. >> i just can't believe that if we be nicer to them, if only we put little please and sugar on top that that would work, especially in light of real life situation where we needintellig hopefully save american lives considering we were attacked and 3,000 americans died, which you were thinking about as you shot bin laden. >> well, yeah, if khalid sheikh mohammed gave us intelligence that led to the courier that led

to bin laden, we had him for a long, long time. it's not because we got nicer and served better tea. they were using techniques that weren't torture but definitely uncomfortable and got him out of his comfort zone. once he was pushed to a point, they were relieved and he started to talk. simple interrogation tactics that work. if torture's something that causes irreversible damage, you don't walk away from it, just the sensation of drowning that ends as soon as you stop doing it, it's not comfortable. but it's not torture. >> all right. rob o'neill, the man that shot bin laden, an american hero. sir, thank you for being back with us. appreciate it. >> thanks, sean. coming up next, do you think there's going to be another radical islamic terrorist attack in the united states within the next year? head over to facebook.com/hannity and twitter @seanhannity. but first tonight. >> the white man is a sue prpre cyst. no justice, no peace -- >> we sent fox distributor david

webb to al sharpton's "justice for all" march. show you what the mainstream media will not. plus, tonight. >> what do we want? >> dead cops! >> when do we want it? >> now! >> that recorded during a protest this past weekend. that and more on this busy news night here on "hannity."

welcome back to "hannity." nationwide demonstrations erupted over the weekend in the wake of the michael brown and eric garner grand jury decisions. and left wing nbc news host reverend al sharpton led a march at our nation's capitol. we sent the "hannity" crew along

with fox news contributor david webb down to d.c. to see whose really involved in this protest. take a look. here's what he found. >> what about black-on-black crime? where more blacks commit more of the murders against blacks? >> well, that is true but there's no such thing as black-on-black crime. there's white-on-black crime. and if the people are defending us which they call themselves the police. >> don't shoot! >> the white man is a supremacist. we will never get our rights until we stand up. no justice, no peace! >> they can actually get rid of this very system that is responsible for all of these police murders and all the exploitation and oppression here and around the world. >> what do you want to replace it with? >> we want to replace it with communism. >> killing black kids all over the country, and we tired of it. and we're try tog make a revolution to count black lives as necessary. >> does the community have a responsibility to do something about the crime itself? >> i think that's what the police should be for, but they can't be trusted amongst the community. so it's really kind of the police's fault. >> three black teens beat a

white woman 20 miles outside of ferguson four days ago, leave her lying there for passers by, they classify as a race crime. how do you react to that? >> i classify that as unfair because men do that black women all the time. >> my principles prevent me from watching the fox news. >> so how can you comment on fox news if you don't watch it? >> because i hear what fox is reporting by reporters. >> you just said it. am i a token? >> most likely, yes. >> crime happens in communities where there's similarities, white folks kill white folks, black folks kill black folks, i think when we look at something like this that is related to police brutality, i don't really see those two things that can be compared. >> and joining us now with reaction editor and chief of global grind, michael sculnick as well as fox news contributor david webb. david, thanks so much for this report. sad in a lot of ways, the white man and this and you got called a token.

you brought up an example of a white woman. >> right. reverse dynamic. >> nobody wants to hear about that. >> no. and that crime was immediately classified by chief dodson in st. louis as a race crime based on the statements made by the three black teenagers as they beat a white woman. the problem here is that, sean, you're not talking about the people that actually have real concerns we can debate on mike brown, eric garner. they're the ones not being represented. this is why in raleigh earlier this year, this is the institutional left, the international socialist organization, sciu and the communist. >> what was the communist answer? what was that? where did that come from? >> they're out there proudly with their banners. lots of them. by the way, they're handing out papers and soliciting donations, which i find is funny because you're communist. what's not funny is we're not having a debate over issues in communities. i asked people about fixing problems in communities. if you don't have crime, you can lower crime, less interaction with cops. you don't get that answer. >> reaction. >> i marched in new york.

>> this weekend? >> this weekend. i marched for my 1 and a half-year-old child who is not a communist. >> why did you march? >> i marched because i think we need a better system in this country in terms of policing and in terms of the justice system. i think we can always do better. i'm certainly pro cop. i believe in police. >> if you marched in new york we're going to play in our next segment, there was a huge chant going out, what do we want, dead cops, when do we want it, now. did you hear that? >> no. >> okay. huge. i'll play it in the next segment. >> okay. >> huge chant. >> despicable. >> it is despicable. >> and certainly any violence -- we march -- i brought my child with me. i would not want to bring my child to a march that had violence and people saying things like that to promote violence. >> i've asked every person that looks at these two examples and say this has jump started the conversation. can you give me any evidence that either in the eric garner case or michael brown case any evidence that this is racial in any way? >> i certainly not here to say that. right. what i'm here to say -- >> but really i have not seen it and nor has anyone presented it

to me. but people are using this to be a racial incident. >> well, i think what we haven't seen is talking about evidence we haven't seen a trial. so we've argued o.j. we've argued rodney king. we argued casey anthony. we've argued a lot of trials. now we're arguing a grand jury process? >> no, we're not actually arguing a grand jury process. let's forget that for a moment. we have an interaction between a cop and a criminal. they wrestle for a gun. at that point the police officer's not thinking are you black, are you white, are you hispanic -- >> how do you know all this? >> because you can cite example after example. >> what example? what trial evidence do you have -- >> they released the evidence. all the evidence. the evidence the grand jury saw. >> in new york we have no evidence. >> i think they should release it all. >> they released the evidence in the case of michael brown. because the grand jury given five levels of charges could not come up with any one charge. >> that's much lower standard in terms of charging that the grand jury has. >> sure. >> then beyond a reasonable doubt. so if you can't get a charge --

you're not going get a conviction. >> in 2010 in federal courts we had 160,000 people before grand jury. 11 people didn't get indicted. anyone can get indicted. in new york city we do 179 police officers killed somebody. >> so you're going to question the integrity of the grand jurors? >> the grand jury system doesn't work. it's the only place in the world that use this. >> in the michael brown case they had witness after witness, many of them black eyewitnesses, that said he struggled for the cop's gun and ran at the police officer. >> the key witness says he did it. there's no dispute -- >> that's called reasonable doubt. >> call a trial and let a jury. >> that's called reasonable doubt. >> you also have evidence in this case. you have the gsr, the gunshot residue, blood spatter evidence, the angle of the bullets, all this adds together. >> corroborates the story of those that gave -- >> sean, we're going to argue grand jury -- >> grand jury process has worked. they see evidence, they ask questions. they came up with their determination and you weren't in

there. >> of course neither were you. >> i'm saying i read the evidence -- >> eric garner they haven't had anything. >> i think they should release it. >> so do i. we agree on that. >> i don't think they should have been near eric garner. this whole thing going up -- >> the whole grand jury process in new york is secret. it's secret. >> i say reveal it. open it up. >> we agree. >> i got to break. thank you so much for going down there. appreciate it. left wing hollywood actor samuel l. jackson is calling on his fellow celebrities to stand up against the "racist police." wait until you hear what he says. plus tonight. >> what do we want? >> dead cops! >> when do we want it? >> now! >> what do we want? >> dead cops! >> when do we want it? >> now! >> that disgusting video recorded right here in new york city this past weekend. coming up next, former lapd detective mark furhman here to weigh in. and actor bill cosby finally breaks his silence after being accused of sexual assault of almost 17 women. cosby says he expected more from "the black media." that plus tonight's question of the day, straight ahead. could protect you from cancer?

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welcome back to "hannity." mass protests continue around the country in the wake of the mike brown and eric garner grand jury announcements. now some hollywood celebrities are starting to voice their outrage. for example actor samuel l. jackson posted a video to his facebook page sharing a protest song that he wants you to learn. take a listen. >> all you celebrities out there who poured ice water on your head, here's a chance to do something else. i challenge all of you to sing, we ain't going to stop until people are free, song. here we go. ♪ i can hear my neighbor crying i can't breathe ♪ ♪ now i'm in a struggle and i can't leave ♪ ♪ calling out the violence of the racist police ♪ ♪ we ain't going to stop till people are free ♪ ♪ we ain't going to stop till people are free ♪

come on. sing it out. >> there's also another chant that should be getting your attention. on saturday one new yorker caught on camera, a crowd of a protester calling for "dead cops." listen to this. >> what do we want? >> dead cops! >> when do we want it? >> now! >> what do we want? >> dead cops! >> when do we want it? >> now! >> what do we want? >> dead cops! >> when do we want it? >> now! >> and here with reaction to that disgusting display is former lapd detective mark fuhrman, and democratic strategist basil jr. racist police we heard from samuel l. jackson. i've asked everybody, can you give me any bit of evidence that what happened to eric garner or michael brown was race related? any evidence? >> look, i don't see people being choked out on the streets of beverly hills or park avenue.

when it comes to police brutality. >> i'm asking a specific question. >> i'm giving you a specific answer. >> come on. >> when do you see white young men being killed, unarmed men being killed at the hands of police officers? you don't see that. >> i can tell you about a case in alabama where a black police officer killed a white unarmed teenager. whoa. do you know that kid's name? do you know that kid's name? >> >> i don't know that kid's name. >> no, you don't. here's the problem, if you can't give me specific evidence that race was involved in either one of these cases, you know, we're a country -- >> two things -- >> -- that's run by the rule of law. is there any evidence that you have, specific evidence? >> two things. the combination of race and prejudices with power and authority. those are being abused -- >> any evidence in these cases. >> eric garner laid on that floor pleading for his life and both white and black police officers and emt workers let that man die. so what i'm saying is that if you combine prejudice with the use of power -- >> so the black officer was prejudice?

>> with the abuse of authority. >> okay. because i think the police were wrong. i think this was wrong. but for different reasons. >> what was wrong? >> i think arresting somebody for untaxed cigarettes is madness and a misuse of public funds for the police department. they shouldn't have known his name. they shouldn't have referred to him as mr. cigarette man. they shouldn't have referred to the white as mr. cigarette woman. liberal government in new york so greedy they send cops every day into every convenience store to check the cigarettes. that's why he was arrested nine times for that. >> and happen in a nonblack community. >> it happens in white and black communities in new york. >> i don't see it. >> let me go to mark furhman. mark, you can't specifically say race. your reaction to the chant and samuel l. jackson. >> well, samuel l. jackson is just one voice. just because he's a celebrity doesn't make him any more valuable than any regular joe on the street. so it really doesn't impact me much. but what does impact me is him

using his celebrity to tag the police action as racist, him absent of any information or common sense. and i think that we as a nation, sean, have got to stop taking the racist racism bait in the fear that somebody will call you a racist if you don't agree with their agenda. that's it in a nutshell. that's what we're dealing with right now. that's why these certain groups can walk down the middle of new york and other major cities all over the country, stop commerce, stop traffic, interfere with the economy and still chant riot-inciting statements, and they're allowed to do it. i give you this one scenario, sean. i give you this one scenario. can you imagine if a bunch of cops off duty of all races were

walking down the middle in manhattan stopping traffic chanting kill gang members? >> interesting about that. that actually happened -- >> cops -- >> that actually happened during the mayoralty of david dinkins in new york city. >> cops did that? >> they said kill -- >> were burning garbage cans. >> they said kill gang member >> burn david and >> cops did that? >> cops did that. rudy giuliani led that march. that happened during david dinkens -- >> whoa, whoa, we heard the chanting this weekend at an al sharpton-sponsored event. what do we want, dead cops. when do we want it, now. i haven't heard you say that's outrageous. >> of course it's outrageous. i don't think anybody condones the killing of police officers. that shouldn't happen. of course that's outrageous. nobody wants that. >> nor police to be falsely accused of racism if there's no evidence.

>> it's not just about the individual police officer. it's about -- >> it is about -- >> it's about an unjust system. and police officers -- >> sean, let's not -- >> go ahead. mark. >> sean, let's not forget that they're not talking about racist cops. they're talking about white cops. let's not try to dilute this into covering everybody. they're talking about white cops. >> it's about the abuse of power in communities of color. it used to be predominantly white cops. it is not always predominantly white cops in this day and age. but the fact of the matter is that the justice system still -- >> let me ask a question -- >> -- routinely im -- impacts communities of colors disproportionately. >> if michael brown didn't rob the store, intimidate the clerk, fight for the cop's gun and charge the cop, do you think he'd be alive today? >> i don't know if he'd be alive. >> i think he he'd be alive today.

>> amadou diallo was shot 41 times for a wall let. >> we'll leave it there. >> sean -- >> go ahead. >> michael brown would be alive four times in that incident. he had four opportunities to save his own life. and let's just remember one thing. the black community and al sharpton's not doing one thing that needs to be done, they are not putting a standard on conduct of all people including black people -- >> i -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> find out for yourself what is actually happening here. >> give me the name of one kid that's died in chicago? do you know one name? >> i know hundreds of them. >> give me a name. >> there are hundreds of them. >> one. one name. >> that's the tragedy. >> that's right. mark's point is you don't hear about black-on-black crime. >> of course you do. >> you don't hear about specific names because activists don't go in to try and stop it. >> i can give you several names. many from my own childhood. and that's a shame. >> one name?

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media to uphold the standards of excellence in journalism. and when you do that, you have to go in with a neutral mind." well, we reached out to cosby's attorneys for statement but they have yet to return our calls. here with reaction is one of cosby's accusers, barbara bowman. barbara, thank you for coming back. good to see you. >> hi, sean. thank you for having me back. >> his wife also let out a statement today comparing what's happening to him to the uva case where i see no comparison. i wanted to give you a chance to respond. how many women now total have come forward and made similar accusations as you have? >> to the best of my knowledge there's 25. and they are counting. >> yeah. it keeps growing every day. and the stories are so similar. and that was your story. so what do you say to bill cosby? i mean, he took advantage of you. you were in a mentor situation with him. he was supposed to be mentoring you. you say he drugged you, took advantage of you that way and raped you.

and many other women make the same allegation. what do you say back to him? >> i think that it's very irresponsible to make a comparison of our situation and the uva situation. we have 25 women that have the same or very eerily similar stories that date back decades. we have been speaking out loud. we have been sticking together. and we have been telling our stories publicly and privately. there are some women that are still coming out anonymously. and we have been down that road. and we have never been discredited. bill cosby and his team has said over and over that these women have been discredited. and i have never been nor have any of the others to the best of my knowledge. uva -- >> barbara, you and many others told people at the time. you even went to an attorney at the time. but because he was "dr. huxtable," you said they would

laugh at you and the idea that you would bring some type of action against him. >> yes, that's very true. i did tell my agent. and the friend i was with at the time who knew of it, we both went to her. she did absolutely nothing. and in fact turned it around on me that i had somehow instigated and was ruining a very special situation. and how could i defame and dig date the situation that i was in when i should have been considering myself a very lucky young woman. so i had two people who were trusted, who were in authoritative positions letting me down. one was bill cosby who was raping and drugging me. the other was my protected agent. i was supposed to be safely in her care. and when i finally did get the courage to tell someone of authority again, it was an attorney. there was no telling the police at that time. certainly -- he was dr. huxtabl and one of the most powerful men in america.

what cop was going to believe me when he was going home to his family and they were sitting down in front of their favorite show on thursday night watching their favorite person on tv and there was me. and i thought it was just me. >> barbara, thank you again for telling your story. we appreciate it. >> thank you, sean. joining us with more fox news analyst arthur idalla is with us. now we're up to like 25 women. same story most cases here. are you telling me as an attorney, grant it -- what's interesting to me is the m.o. was the same. they all told somebody at the time, or most of them did. and they all were confronting one of the most powerful men in the country, which is why -- why are you laughing? >> i'm not laughing, but, you know, let's draw the line here. i mean, there are people a lot more popular, a lot more powerful than bill cosby was. yes, he had a big television show -- >> it was massive. >> telling me jerry seinfeld raped somebody, somebody accused him --

went to the manhattan district attorney and said i was raped -- >> you don't believe these women? >> i am not -- i'm here in my role as a criminal defense attorney, okay? >> okay. >> i'm the guy who represented lawrence taylor when they said he raped someone and it took a jury five minutes to say -- >> that was one woman in that particular case. >> okay. >> there was tuwanna brawley. >> she lied. >> my only point -- >> the difference here is you're dealing with 17 and then these other 12 that are now coming out. wait a minute, there's 25 women. they all have the same story. none of them seem to be in it for money. there's only one lawsuit i know that is ongoing that is being filed. are you saying -- do you not believe them? i find with that much smoke, arthur, it sounds really bad. and i think him saying or going to, i only expect the black media to hold the standards of excellence -- >> that's ridiculous. that's ridiculous. >> that's not an answer. >> i agree with you. >> if somebody accused me of rape, they accused you what,

would you do? >> i would be standing on this table screaming at the top of my lungs it was false. >> absolutely. why isn't he doing that? >> well, he has lawyers. just to be clear i'm not saying anyone is lying. >> this has been going on behind the scenes for years now. >> here's what i would argue to a jury. i'm here as a lawyer. what would i argue to a jury? if this has been going on for years, a prosecutor in pennsylvania investigated one of these claims and did not bring any charges. >> he said he wanted to but didn't have enough evidence. he believed the charges, remember, he said that. >> evidence in a rape case is one person's word against another. >> now it's 25 people against one, isn't it? >> but what happened, sean, the statute of limitations have run out. why are statute of limitations there? they're there to protect people like you and david letterman and like celebrities who are perceived to be rich people who then can't defend themselves. >> if it was one or two, i could understand. >> i agree. where there's smoke, there's fire. >> and you agree with that. >> of course i agree with that. after you play the role as defense attorney and here i am -- defense counsel. >> i rest my case.

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welcome back to "hannity." amy pascal, the embattled co-chair of sony pictures is trying to make amends for her controversial racist e-mail exchange about president obama. and according to "the new york post," that means meeting with none other than the reverend al sharpton. according to reports, pascal already made a call to sharpton late last week, offering her apologies. why is she getting a pass in mainstream media? dominic patton, president of bond organization. let me put up on the screen how this e-mail exchange went, jesse lee, and ask you if it was me, glenn beck, mark levin if it would be the same reaction. would he like to finance some movies? pascal replied i doubt it. should i ask if he liked django, referring to "django unchained." rudin replies 12 years, and

pascal then quotes or the butler or think like a man? and rudin reveals ride along. i bet he likes kevin hart, hart being a prominent african american comedian. what if a prominent conservative had such an exchange, jessie? what do you think would happen? >> if that was a conservative -- and by the way, merry christmas to you and your family. >> thank you. >> if that was a conservative, they would have rallies and protests. they would be calling for your job. they would try to destroy you. >> don't you think i would probably be fired? >> yeah, which is so unfortunate. and i've been saying for a long time that al sharpton and the so-called civil rights leaders are not the gatekeepers to the black community. and they're only using black americans to gain power, political power and finance. >> yeah. >> and in left corporate america, white america, white americans stop catering to these people, it is never going to

end. they give them power when they cater to jackson and sharpton and the others. >> dominic, let me get your take on this. i can't believe there hasn't been more indignation and outrage here. what is your reaction? >> well, sean, as the reverend said, and to both of you, a merry christmas to you and your families. >> you too. >> thank you. >> i think amy pascal's comments are indefensible. i think she acknowledges and her apologies have been frequent and profuse. just today there was a town hall meeting at sony where amy pascal and michael linton discussed. >> do you remember don imus apologizing? >> pardon me? >> do you remember the don imus case? >> i do. >> he stepped forward and he still got fired. >> i think that what the heads of sony want to do in this situation, there is a lot more unfolding here. i mean, just yesterday we have seen a sort of libel chill been put on the media about discussing some of these topics.

>> but do you think that maybe the fact that hollywood liberals donate a lot of money to barack obama and democrats has a little something to do with the lack of outrage? >> i don't know, sean. i got to tell you, out here there is a lot of outrage. i think a lot of people feel these remarks were entirely inappropriate and really want to know, you know, exactly how we can make this a better discussion? i think that unfortunately what's happened is this hacking has revealed some very ugly sides. >> jesse, we have 15 seconds. >> you know, sean, this woman apologized to al sharpton which she should have never done. a decent person would have said okay, i'm sorry. i accept your apology and move on. but this is just another shakedown. and with sharpton, he doesn't really care if you're liberal or conservative. it's about the shakedown more so than anything else. >> guys, thank you very much for being with us. and when we come back, for our question of the day, we want your answer. i'll tell you mine, straight ahead. helps you be ready anytime the moment is right.

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