from now. hello, everyone, i'm dana, along with kimberly, bob, eric, and greg. it's 5:00 in new york city and this is "the five." reaction to the senate intel committee's report on the cia's enhanced interrogation methods continued last night with fox news scoring two very big interviews, first, rob o'neil, the navy s.e.a.l. who killed osama bin laden, saying the information gathered from enhanced interrogation techniques directly led to the mission that took down the al qaeda leader. >> find them in a lie and then exploit them.

>> to khalid sheikh mohammed -- they were using techniques that weren't torture but they were definitely uncomfortable. like i said, they got him out of his comfort zone. >> lost last night, megyn kelley sat down with james mitchell who says waterboarding isn't what broke 9/11 mastermind khalid sheikh mohammed. >> what was it that finally broke khalid sheikh mohammed. >> we felt that waterboarding wasn't particularly effective on him. >> it was not? >> it was not. >> so how did you get him to the point where he wound up providing what we're told is very useful information? >> the other eit, i don't really want to say which ones they were. >> mitchell also described how the release of the report by the senate democrats has him fearing for his life. >> how many times in your life have you had a law enforcement official call you up in the middle of the day and say, leave your house immediately.

that happened to me a couple of days ago. >> do you feel your life is in danger? >> of course. you have to be cautious and you do feel your life is in danger? i don't mind, i do not mind giving my life for my country, but i do mind giving my life for a food fight between two people who should be able to work it out like adults. >> i want to play one more soundbite from james mitchell because he talked about that report and what it's done to his safety and others. >> it shows al qaeda and the al qaeda 2.0 forecalks that we're divided and that we're easy targets. that we don't have the will to defeat them. because that's what we know. al in fact khalid sheikh mohammed told me personally, your country will turn on you,

the liberal media will turn on your, the people will grow tired of this, they will turn on you, and when they do, you are going to be abandoned. >> the woman who got that interview, megyn kelly, the chot of the kelly file. what were your reactions after you sat with him. >> it was a stunning revelation to me, but he's in the middle of telling what it's like to water board khalid sheikh mohammed. we need to hear from the man directly who's been accused of senator feinstein and the others in the senate to be a torturer. and when you hear him explain it from start to finish, you have such a better feel for why he did it, how he did it, and what

was going through hiss mind and you can only wish that to the senate democrats had taken the time to speak with this man before they had issued this report and he wasn't -- he wasn't relegated to offering his first thoughts on it. >> we're going to get a chance, everybody's going to get a chance to ask the question, so i will hold my second one and let eric go next. >> when i heard you were going to have him on, it was must-see, awesome job booking that guy. here's the question, though, at one point -- i'm sorry, dr. mitchell, at one point he said he didn't want to be the guy who interrogated. he didn't want to be the water border. but then he changed his mind. >> he was a reluctant warrior and this is a psychologist who was advising the cia on counter terrorism techniques and what might overcome someone's resistance and then they came to him and said we need you to do it and he said i don't really want to. they said, if not you then who?

he says he had the image in his head of the people who were jumping off the world trade center faced with death by fire or jumping to their death. he thought of the passengers he said on united flight 93 who gave their lives to protect people in the u.s. capitol. and he said if they could risk their lives to safe other americans, i can do this to save other americans, he said it was hard, it was emotionally stressful on all of us who participated. it's nothing we enjoyed. we didn't want to do it. but he said i did it for my country, and i'm not shamed, i'm proud. he said the cia came to me afterwards and they said he saved lives. >> kimberly? you know what struck me is he said he feared for his life but he would do it again, essentially giver his life for his country, but he has an issue with this so-called political food fight, he said they did not

interview the actual interrogators in putting together this very one sided report. >> imagine being this guy james mitchell, he's working for his country, not making a lot of dough, he advised on counter terrorism techniques, but then they ask him to be a contractor for -- but he goes over there and he does it. and then, suddenly the senate democrats issued this report that he thinks basically told the world who he was. and before you know it, his anonymity is lost and now he's gets death threats, he said last week, the police called him and said get out of your house immediately. that's not something that's appealing. he knows that no one who was on that committee ever called him to just hear his side of the story. he said i know you think it's one sided, it was only democrats and no republicans. no republicans, no cia analysts,

no one who participated in the program got to have their say, got to offer any concepts, any perspective. he's pointed out that in this report issue bid the democrats, they talk about how there were abuses of the program, those analysts were over there and they went too far and others had to report these abuses. he says they make it sound like i was doing the abuses, actually i was the one reporting them. but they don't mention that in the report. >> greg? >> i guess i have a comment, maybe a question, it seems to me that this conversation, which everybody loves to use that word, about torture, it's really not a debate. i get the picture that everybody knows that torture is repulsive, but torture can be simultaneously wrong, but also necessary. we all know that cannibalism is against the law, it's awful, repulsive, unless you're the donner party, unless it's a last resort. and the fact is last resorts are called the last resort for that very reason and without a last resort. you do not have a first resort.

because it defines everything that you do. you have to have that final step to know where you can go, that you're exhausted everything else that's possible. i don't get the sense that any of these people were particularly happy with what they did. >> you see this man,man--he say there was a call of duty and he answered it. but he talks about the techniques and talks about how these detainees, they knew the techniques that khalid sheikh mohammed, he actually said last night that waterboarding is not what did it for khalid sheikh mohammed, he said that ksm would count down the waterboarding, because they had a number of seconds that they were allowed to pour the water on these plmes faces, he shortened the time frame and khalid sheikh mohammed

used to basically taunt them during the waterboarding, they knew they could only do 20 seconds. he knew it was time limited. i'm not saying it was a joy. but he offered a new perspective on how it actually went down. >> i was just reading an article, an interview with stanley mcchrystal, the general in both iraq and afghanistan who said that these enhanced interrogation techniques, he was allowed to use them, but he chose not to. were they convinced that this was the last resort? >> i think he said he believed given the times that they were. that's part of the problem with this report, is that it's so 20/20 hindsight. here we are now in 2014, and everybody's willing to pass judgment on these guys who were trying to keep us safe within days, weeks and months of the actual 9/11 terrorist attack. he said the reporting of the time that he was getting, this

is the cia analyst. it's not like he's just some guy reading it on the blog. the actual intelligence was we could be facing a nuclear believe the united dirty bomb and that you guys are the ones who have the extract the information about said attacks from these guys who have gone out and captured. i mean, under those circumstances, clearly what you would actually do. >> megyn, you have part two coming up tonight. and we have a little, just a tiny snippet of it. >> they tried to decapitate us the last time, they tried to destroy our civilization and people were clamoring to do everything p and anything they could that was legal and take it right up to the line and save american lives. because that's what our government is supposed to do. save american lives. >> what is part two like for people that want to tune in? >> i asked him about criticisms

of him in the senate report, because they go after him and undermine him so he gets to explain a lot of that. and i asked him whether it was torture, he answers and then i asked him, did it feel like torture when you were doing it? and if you watch for no other reason, watch to hear his answer to that question. >> i still have the gavel, i will continue. i was just curious if you had heard from any of the family members, or what sort of reaction you received and the sort of feedback you have from this interview. >> i have had a lot of overwhelming responses online from 9 from 9/11 family members and just our viewers in general, all of which were positive, i have not had any negative feed back against dr. mitchell. in fact people were so grateful to hear from one of the people that was actually involved as opposed to the armchair quarterbacks who we normally are

listening to. i mean this guy was there and is sitting down there in florida right now wonderering whooir nobody came to traumatic to him when they were trying to do a comprehensive report on the cia interrogation program, which he in large part designed and which he in large part designed and he has encylopedic knowledge. >> tune in tonight at 9:00 for meg megyn's interview. man (sternly): seriously? where do you think you're going? mr. mucus: to work, with you. it's taco tuesday. man: you're not coming. i took mucinex to help get rid of my mucusy congestion. mr. mucus: oh, right then i'll swing by in like 4 hours... just set aside a few tacos for me. man: forget the tacos! one pill lasts 12 hours. i'm good all day. mr. mucus (to himself): wait! your loss. i was going to wear a sombrero.

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well some big news rocking the world of politics, this morning, florida governor jeb bush announced he's seriously considering a run for the republican presidential nomination in 2016 with this facebook post. i have decided to actively explore the possibility of running for president of the united states. in the coming months, i hope to visit with many of you and have a conversation about restoring the promise of america. but the spokesperson says he has not made a final decision on how

he will run, how will this affect the rest of the gop hopefuls, dana? >> what i like about this, if anybody has done this before, he really sees the first mover advantage. so the next few weeks, the critics of jeb bush, and they are loud and vocal and fierce. they will get that out of their system in the next few days. the hard work, i think is yesterday to come except for the infrastructure, it is a massive undertaking, i think the clintons kind of already have this in blais, and the republicans, whoever does emerge from the primary, that will be difficult for them. i don't think other republican governors expected jeb bush to move this quickly. and so that might be an advantage for him. it this point, as i said yesterday, i don't think any of the republicans are able to

narrow down their options, here we go, it's going to be a fun two years. >> do you wish him well? >> let me make something here, i knew him as a friend and colleague. not really as a colleague. i'm not endorsing him, i'm not a fan, i don't work for him, i'm not a pundit. >> for one, i agree with your earlier move and i think it's upset a lot of people that -- he thinks he can raise money and go around the country and campaign basically. exploratory money doesn't -- the only reason reason he would not

run, but this is the first candidate in the race for absolutely certain. >> from a strategy position, you like the fact that he got out front because this is oeshlly a -- he's like the first one out of the pac. >> he can take the hits now like jamey says, he will take it. but hits are only so good so many times. if you're going to take them, they take them back and back and back. this is going to force other people to get into the race. >> talking about the impacts on other gop hope 238s who you think might jump in and how this might impact their decision making. >> he hasn't necessarily decided yet, but it hasn't changed his plans whatever they were in any way, shape or form. a lot of people are saying if i'm not going to volt for jeb

bush, i would vote for chris christie. i'm naming the governors because those are the ones who say they would vote for a gop governor rather than a senator right now or others. chris christie, scott walker is probably not affected either. >> what about rick perry? >> i like rick perry personally, i just don't think he's a viable candidate. i will tell you, there are dates that are important. january 31st, april 15th, are the first two days that the sec requires you to state what you have raised and you need to have that on the books. so i think what jeb has done, is he's pushed it forward a little bit, so if people were going to wait to push it past that april 15th date, maybe whoever was going to jump in. rand paul, some o others. >> i think romney has said if

jeb bush doesn't want to run, he would run. but he'll support him. >> the rubio thing is what you would say, he's toast, the fact is the money in that state is going to go to bush, it's not going to go to rubio. and you've got to defend your own state. the earlier you're out, the earlier you get an infrastructure out there. i bet you bush has raised a lot of money. >> the word on the street is that he's got cash. >> greg, i'm going give you two full minutes to enjoy. >> this was tonight bush i wanted, i wanted billy. >> good choice. >> what's interesting and what's obvious is if he gets the nomination, hillary gets it, you got bush versus clinton which everybody talks about, but this could be the rebirth of 1992, talking about sinead o'connor, we could rerelease basic

instincts. woody allen could leave sun ye for another stepdaughter. maybe eddie fisher is going to shoot somebody. the royal couple could separate, 1992, and the best part about 1992, i think 1992 was a great year. >> the good old days. >> they were to the good old days. >> i keep talking about clinton and bush, the fact of the matter is these are the two former presidents, they have the name and these are the logical people you would look at for the potential-runnfront-runners. >> clinton again. >> i would choose bush over a clinton absolutely hands down no question. but there are those on the right, dana pointed out. the far right doesn't want to see another bush clinton. >> do they want to see another obama. >> because that's what i want to ask them. >> it wouldn't be such a bad thing to have another obama from the republican party side, a

real candidate is one that genuinely acts and sounds like a -- has the mannerisms and the humor and the charm of a democrat, because that's what's been missing from the republicans since reagan. >> and you've been praying to your unicorn every nights and one hasn't been conjured up yet. >> there you go. >> i think the other thing he has said about himself, that he said he would have a hard time in the primary. so he already has been disarming in that the critics are going to say, but he could have won the primary. so he's already said that he knows that he's going to have a hard time. i think it's pretty smart. >> another thing about not winning the oprah and brad pit

speak out about the sony hacking scandal. and the heart throb when we return. stay with us.

watching your kids' every move, and reports back to santa if they're being naughty or nice. the elf on to the shelf is teaching children to think that spying is part of life. it's poisoning their kids' brains by making them think it's okay to invade their privacy. this thing is sits on the shelf for a couple of months, kids are

telling told that they're watching, they say it's helping kids to calm down. >> it's only been around for seven or eight years. that that elf could actually get in contact with santa claus that quickly. i don't get this whole phenomenon. >> i can don't get it either. >> afarnpparently they're not allowed to touch it. >> don't touch it. if you touch it, the elf looses it's magic power. >> i'm thinking about professors who think it's worth stirring up a controversy about this. they must have had a really bad childhood. >> i think it bears a striking resemblance to greg gutfeld.

commercial misappropriation, this is a big money maker. >> i was in ikea the other day and a shelf fell on me. >> this is meant to watch children so they don't do bad things, this is not new, this as a child what we called dead relative who is passed away. as a kid, you didn't do certain things because you thought granny was watching, so that kept you from certain types of behaviors that perhaps you shouldn't be doing. >> you remember when you had a relative that was put in thetheir living room for their wakes? i had an uncle do that and i

slept outside for days. >> you operate your lives on under the threat of surveillance. >> it's not a terrible thing for kids to think that their're being watched. >> they should react morally without being watched. >> they're afraid of santa claus being mad at them but not their parents. >> getti ting out of one of the worst blocks we have had on this show.

. it's time now for one more thing, i will go first, one of my favorite people is steve skully, he is host of the

washington journal on cspan. and he had a debate this morning between two brothers, they were debating the affordable care act. they took callers on that show, and they had a surprise one this morning. watch this. >> hey, somebody from down south. >> you're right, i'm from down south and i'm your mother and i disagree that all families are like ours. i don't know many families that are fighting at thanksgiving. i was very glad that this thanksgiving was a year that you two were supposed to go to your in-laws and i'm hoping you'll have some of this out of your system when you come here for christmas. >> good for you, mom, bring us all together. a little reminder from mom is always good. >> i think that's cute. kimberly, you're next.

>> i've got a funny one because you didn't have enough oprah in your face today. we have oprah and jimmy fallon who did a little skit together. >> you've been quite distachbnt lately, and i want you to answer this question and i want you to answer honestly. >> what about it, darling? >> i'm seeing another man. >> how dare you? >> i like it. entertaining. >> you're easily entertained, though. >> that's for sure, wow. >> isn't that a nice thing? >> yes, i mean -- >> easy to feed and easy to entertain, what's wrong with that? >> greg, you get to go next. >> um, this. i hate these people. yeah, if you live on the coast, which god help you, there's new trend called artesinal ice,

which is ice basically made to your -- this is a little notice that comes, our ice is produced at the bar with the crystal clear ice, we're the first bar that has an ice production program. god bless you and your block ice production program. >> do you have to pay extra for that? >> the drinks were amazing. >> it's probably shaved, it's probably chipped with an ice chipper. it's probably fantastic. a cocktail with that? >> i'll tell you the name, i crossed it out because i didn't want them to hate me. >> do they carve it like with designs or something? >> it's just- >> it's not even that good, bob.

>> this should become a whole block on the show. pun intended. >> this is a nice story for christmas. a cashier in rotterdam, new york, named jenny carter, he didn't have enough to pay for his grocery, he said is this enough and she said no, it's not, he was going to tooirk some of them back and she took out $40 so he could take all his groceries home. i hope the gentleman you helped will always remember the good on your part. >> i actually loved this story. you hear what happened today? apparently new york magazine interviewed a high school kid who said he earned $70 million at his time at stiverson high school in new york. they went to print with the magazine. i believe it's on the newsstands, he was just a little

bit shy of $72 million. you know how much he made? >> goose egg. >> nothing at all, another example of magazine editors not fact checking the whole story. >> reporters that don't know anything about stocks or economics because they would not have bought this. >> right. as soon as we heard it -- >> her name is jessica, i'm sorry we had to do that, just fact check the article. >> he's a kid. >> zero, nothing. >> that kit's going to end up going far. before we go, tonight is the first night of hanukkah, we want to wish a >> it is wednesday did he say 17th. a fox news alert. real life hollywood drama breaking overnight. the new york city premiere of "the interview" just canceled. the violent threat forcing sony to take action. >> off to the races, former

florida governor the first out of the gate. he is leading the pack right now. >> the 10 kwleer-year-old fight feds. >> the government program that has that little girl so fired up "fox & friends first" starts right now. ♪ >> there's a look at the holiday decorations in our studio on this once morning. good morning. you are watching "fox & friends first".

i am leah gabrielle in for heather childers. >> i am ainsley earhardt. thank you for starting your day wugs. let's start with a fox news alert. the star studded premiere of "the interview" new canceled. they are verifying the threat and the stars cancel all up coming ail peppearances. robert? >> the film's premiere was canceled by landmark theaters. it follows hackers threatening a 9-11 style attack. guardians of peace wrote the note. soon the world will see all the world what an awful movie sony pictures has made. this world will be full of fear remember 11th of september 2001 we recommend you keep yourself a distance from places