. the worries, pros and cons, tonight fbn. hello, everybody. she slaloms on a snow cone, dana perino, the five. >> so i hear president obama may be going to cuba. i was thinking if you're going to go, maybe you could bring me something back? no, not cigars. no rum. no plantains. how about her? >> i'm honored to stand here today alongside the new jersey state police, the new jersey attorney general's office and united states marshall for the districts of new jersey to announce the addition of joann chesemart to the fbi's most wanted terrorist list. while living openly and freely

in cuba, she continues to maintain and promote her terrorist ideology. joann chesimard is a domestic terrorist who murdered a law enforcement officer execution style. >> she executed state trooper warner for rester then was granted asoil lump in cuba. she's one of 80 plus american fugitives in cuba. murderers, hijackers, cop killers, including the scum who killed state trooper robert ros rosenblum. cuba is a jewel of the left because both adore marxist thugs. did that occur to the president or did he decide to normalize because -- >> it's just fair and it's the right thing to do. >> it was ultimately the right thing to do. >> i can persuade the american people that it's the right thing to do. >> this is the right thing to do

for our economy. >> we do that because it's the right thing to do. >> we are making these changes because it is the right thing to do. >> he says that about everything. it's a sweet refrain but one that fails to say why you reward a regime that torments people and harbors ghouls. why not demand their return? are you afraid to hurt feelings? but as with golf, obama loves to play even as he loses. he's like a kid in a casino mindlessly pulling on slot machine levers while mom and dad lose their shirt to the men in green holding the cigars. and as for those saying our commerce will bring an end to cuba's charm, that's easy to say when you aren't living on scraps, turning tricks for coddled celebrities. someone else's misery is never quaint. but maybe normalization will finally stop these celebrities from flying to pits like cuba only to be shown singing children and maggot-free bread. propaganda tours for reds gobble up gull bell stars. where there are come miss there

are come ammie butt kissers. the rule of thumb with totalitarians, the people under that thumb suffer. and its fans always find the thumb more appealing than the bodies underneath. >> so k.g., you're a prosecutor. why can't america demand the return of a cop killer or actually two? >> why can't they? out of the 80 criminals that cuba is harboring, why don't they give us those two? i mean, i don't think this was such a stretch to be able to make this part of the negotiation and insist on it. say this is like draw a red line, right? we want these two back. i mean, certainly on the fbi most wanted list, this woman joann chesimard, why don't we have her back right now? perhaps it's not too late. it can be i think utilized in the further ongoing negotiations with cuba to say if you want to increase diplomatic relations, you want us to ever reduce these

restrictions further, this is what we're going to insist on. and i think it's a good bargain and one that they should observe, especially now to even have the pope getting involved. the pope was helpful perhaps some say instrumental in negotiating the release of allen gross. hopefully he can ask for this, too. these crimes should not go unprosecuted. >> bob, i would be more r rah rah rah over the normalization if i didn't feel that president obama thinks there's no merit in any of our previous oppositions, that our adversarial relationship was valid. i think he always thought that that was a mistake. >> first of all can i just say that not all the left is in love with marxism as you said in your opening. >> i know you're required. >> i know why you do it. the other thing about cuba should have given these people up. we have no extradition treaty with them. the other thing is, it was over 50 years ago when john kennedy put sanctions on cuba. he directly linked those

sanctions with their relations with russia, with the ussr nen. they no longer are supplying cuba with the oil they need. argentina is still trying to do that but they're losing money. so right now if there ever was a time to do this is when russia and argentina have the lowest influence with cuba. i think it's the right thing to do. >> venezuela. >> excuse me. >> basically what you're saying. eric, you know this more than anybody. they're only doing this because their only friend left is crumbling, venezuela. it's all about oil. >> russia and venezuela. you're right. >> iran. >> it is all about oil. so your point is awesomely taken that these are some bad people that cuba is harboring, but maybe normalizing, normalizing, maybe the ongoing debate can happen. maybe we can get those people back. maybe we can prosecute those criminals for what they've done here. and i look at -- look. i took a lot of heat for saying i like the idea of normalizing with cuba. but it's 11 million new

customers for our farming industry, our agribusiness. $358 million right now that they by from us. it could be $3.5 billion easily. it could easily multiply by ten fold. and we talked a little bit on twitter or on e-mail i think last night, greg, about so what if there's an mcdonald's there? so what if there's a kfc there? a lot of people saying don't ruin havana with that. but that will help cubans. they'll have jobs. >> yeah. yeah. what about you, dana? i was surprised that the "washington post" editorial board slammed the president over this. they called this an undeserved bailout. >> yes. i wrote that down, too. >> good for you. jackson deal and fred hyatt of the "washington post" editorial board i think are some of the strongest freedom fighters that we have in commentary today. so i wasn't that surprised with them. there are lots of mixed feelings about this. i am concerned with the economic

argument by saying that it's going to help americans. because what we really should be worried about is are you going to help the cubans? if there is an mcdonald's that opens up let's say in the next ten years, i hope that those people that end up working there get paid with dollars that tourists use rather than getting paid with pesos which is what happens now. if you go to a hotel in cuba right now you would pay in dollars. they're all owned by the state. the state takes that money and they pate workers in pesos which are almost worthless. >> right. >> so i think if we see any normalization in the future that that should be a precondition. and i think that marco rubio, the senator from florida, with his powerful position on the foreign relations committee, will be able to help make that happen. the reforms will be very late in coming if we don't press on it. so i think that's why the "washington post" said that the president didn't do a very good job of getting a good deal here. >> can i say dana makes a great point. we have incredible leverage and influences pe with the way we c

impact cuba and the economy and the things erica has touched on. we should use that leverage. we shouldn't be afraid to utilize it and put it on the table and demand changes come about. then it's not just about dollars for the u.s. but making a meaningful impact and standing for something. there should be preconditions. we can't just turn a blind eye for it and take the cash. we have a larger, global responsibility. >> getting to your point about the "washington post," it has been very strong on the cuban sanctions going back to ben bradley and his relationship with kennedy. one. two, we have other countries, we have diplomatic relations that are harboring united states fugitives. we don't close embassies down. in russia or saudi arabia. they keep people who have broken the united states law. you can't have a double standard here. [ overlapping speakers ] >> but also one of the favorite responses as somebody who would support president obama's actions yesterday is that well there's hypocrisy in our policy. there's hypocrisy that we would have relations with china or vietnam but not with cuba. why don't we change that. but last week when we were

talking about the hypocrisy of being against enhanced interrogation techniques but be willing to do drones which kill people to smith erevens you couldn't talk about hypocrisy last week. now all of a sudden we can. >> apples and oranges. >> no, it's not. >> hypocrisy is hypocrisy. >> okay. if you want to put it under a rubric, fine. >> apples and apples. >> the fact of the matter is we do have countries we have relations with that are terrible human rights violators. >> china. >> china among the top. it is the top. >> but we still have -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> on the last two trips it has been reported by the white house pre press corps president obama has not brought up human rights violations in the last two meetings. >> it's a mistake. >> what does he have to lose by bringing that up? >> i have no idea. >> be on the record. >> the other refrain, this is not who we are anymore. >> so can i add a little human rights benefits to this deal that will happen without any

force, without any force? we need to demand this or we should be making sure that they get dollars instead of pesos. when you open up the way that the president has offered, you open up the banking system as well. right now you can't trade with cuba. you can't say we'll trade you dollars with pesos. it's off-limits. you can't do that. as you allow that to happen, you can put a u.s. bank in cuba. that will immediately make the cuban peso multiple stronger, help the cuban people immediately. almost to the exact opposite what's going on in russia. the russian ruble is getting destroyed. putting pressure on the russian people. if you open up banking with cuba, any cuban that has a peso in their pocket will immediately have more pesos and more money to buy stuff. >> i hope that's true. >> we got to get something out of this country or they kind of win. can we go to a montage of both sides, mixed feelings from everybody? >> fun. >> is that all right, k.g.? >> yeah. >> okay. >> a little more taste of free

market and free ideas will i think encourage more demand for change from the cuban people. >> this is a president who wants to leave his mark by quote unquote improving relations with the worst regimes on earth. and that's what he wants to do. >> but i think having diplomatic relations as we have had with the soviet union, with vietnam and so many other places, we can produce positive change. >> why don't we sell iran the nuclear bomb? yes, yes, i'm joking. but i'm trying to illustrate a point by using excessive exaggeration. >> you weren't even listening. >> i was laughing at russ. because russ is like why don't we sell iran a nuclear bomb? he says i'm making a point by using exaggeration of course because there's somebody out there that's going to criticize and say can you believe rush just said this? >> when i said arrest the sony filmmakers people actually thought i meant that. i was being ironic about benghazi. >> the fact that charles krout is one of the smartest people i know to suggest this is the

worst human rights relation talking about north korea? i don't understand here what the problem is with opening up and maybe having some change there. it's 90 miles off of our shore. >> i will say that things haven't worked the way they should. but i think about the people that know how bad cuba's been. that's why president obama has to address their concerns. he has to say, look, i know these guys were awful people but we've got to deal with them but we're going to get something out of them. >> i think that's right. he should go there and say that. >> i don't trust him. >> we didn't cover it today. but eric i'm glad you raised this. the biggest story in the world right now is the russian economy crashing. that's bigger than this one. >> no. but the people who are pushing back, a lot of people, some of the people who are pushing back deal. i'm telling you, the minute you open up a trade, let the currency trade against the dollar you're going to help every poor cuban on that island.

11 million people. yes, will it hell the oligarchs, rich people, people who stole land when batista was thrown out. it will help them, too. but it will also help the average cuban. >> didn't help china -- >> i agree. it's hypocritical to say we need to continue to demand human rights corrections out of cuba but not demand the same thing out of china. china is the big bear. the one you don't want to mess around with, don't want to tick off. everyone is like let's not tick off china. apply the same standards. >> bob loves it. >> dana, ted cruz you're aware of who he is, correct? >> yes, bob's friend. >> my man. >> comparing the spy swap. he calls them spies for sometht away, ted. >> he's also doing something reminiscent of the bowe bergdahl deal for sergeant bergdahl he released five senior taliban terrorists. in this instance he's releasing three cuban spies who were

responsible for the murder of four american citizens for spying on u.s. military installations including the southern command. >> that is a fair comparison? >> well, i think it's a logical one. why not? the president didn't do a lot to explain and he didn't take any questions from the press yesterday. he just undid basically an executive move. and i think it's interesting that every time recently -- let's just look at the two that ted cruz mentions. those concessions are basically to get to an end that president obama wanted, anyway. >> right. >> that's a good point. but if ever it's time to take questions to educate people it should have been yesterday. he didn't take advantage. and i don't get it. i really don't get it. you're not going to get a whole lot of adversarial questions, right? >> press conference tomorrow, though. >> and also i would in particular i would have said that the president of the united states with the first amendment should have take questions yesterday because for anybody who got a chance to see that in cuba, they would see, oh, you actually get to ask questions of your leaders in america. that would have been a useful thing to do. >> very good point.

>> let's just hope that negotiations aren't finished. >> they're not. >> that's the point. my point is so we're saying -- >> maybe that's why he didn't take questions. >> right. maybe there's more ongoing things. >> assistant secretary of state is shepherding that so it's ongoing. ahead, celebrities slam sony for surrendering to harks by pulling "the interview" from theaters. you'll hear from them next on the five. man (sternly): seriously? where do you think you're going? mr. mucus: to work, with you. it's taco tuesday. man: you're not coming. i took mucinex to help get rid of my mucusy congestion. mr. mucus: oh, right then i'll swing by in like 4 hours... just set aside a few tacos for me. man: forget the tacos! one pill lasts 12 hours. i'm good all day. mr. mucus (to himself): wait! your loss. i was going to wear a sombrero. [announcer:] only mucinex has a bi-layer tablet that starts fast, and keeps working. not 4, not 6, but 12 full hours. start the relief. ditch the misery. let's end this.

all right, well, president obama commented about the hacking scandal at sony and what it means for americans. >> the cyber attack is very serious. we're investigating it. we're taking it seriously. we'll be vigilant. if we see something that we think is serious and credible, then we'll alert the public. but for now, my recommendation would be that people go to the movies. >> the fbi thinks north korea is behind it and will the u.s. respond? >> before we start publicly speculating about a response, it's appropriate that we allow the investigation to move

forward. sophisticated actors when they carry out actions like this are oftentimes, not always but often, seeking to provoke a response from the united states of america. they may believe that a response from us in one fashion or another would be advantageous to them. >> okay. so there's a lot of discussion about this yesterday and even more today. about the role the u.s. has in it, whether or not we were strong enough to voice objection and whether or not it was even a good idea for sony to cancel the release of this. dana, i'll start with you. >> well, i am amazed by this story. i think that in the last two days both north korea and cuba have gotten the best of america. just like that. just snap of the finger overnight. >> they should have the premiere of the movie in cuba. north korea wouldn't go after that. >> in havana, birds of a fai

feather. think about the last year. we talked about the stories where campus crusaders could shut down a college speaker like ayan, hersi ali, get her banned from speak. now the united states is saying we have a geopolitical answer foe of the united states attacking an american company and really the economy. think of all the movie workers who work at some of theseés%7f>% bvqéslebnóp5rnqlji#[o/>çú# [r]qe they thought they were going to. they make minimum wage or close at these theaters. it affects everybody not those embarrassed by their e-mails. i think it's a very interesting exercise how strong would we feel about free speech? >> what would you do, north korea? what is it we could do? >> i think that there are ways that you could shut down their internet. >> that's probably right. but i think these hackers, north

korea does not have educated computer people like china does. i think china's behind this through north korea. >> we don't know that, though. you could actually find out that it's like somebody in the basement. >> you could. but i want to speculate that it's china. >> i think the fbi knows. put it that way. >> so here's the way i see this whole thing come down. sony, there are two different groups here. there's sony, the movie company that produced the picture. then there's the movie theater companies that put the film on screens. i think sony is weak. they should have just released this film digitally. they were hacked. they were nervous. they pulled it. they got scared. then all of a sudden the steve carell film gets pull then paramount says don't play -- a lot of movie theaters were playing "team america" another shot in north korea against -- >> great movie. >> hilarious. so movie theaters are not allowed to air that film in your theaters as well. so the the movie houses, the one that is produce the films, i

think they're being very weak and they're caving. the movie theaters, i don't blame them. it's a business decision. they can put anything up on that screen and people are going to show up. so why put something up you've been warned there could be terrorism in your movie ájq2yo5%qs÷é/o?b97ozfhg; smart n to walk away from it. they don't have a first amendment issue here. i think sony does. >> do you think north korea is in a position -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> come here and do some terrorism. do you think the north koreans could do something in a movie theater? >> you're a business man. would you air this? >> i think you're right. but i don't think north korea is going to do that. >> i think that hollywood has less spine than cream of wheat. i think that everybody should have aired it. we should all be watching this right now. even if the movie is not very good. what i find intriguing about this is to hear certain celebrities and other people calling this terror. so this is their idea of terror. perhaps we should accuse them of being north koreaphobic?

maybe we should worry about a backlash against north korea. because not all north koreans, hollywood, not all north koreans hack. just some of -- the hackers just happen to might be north korean. just to get that straight. >> hashtag i'll watch a movie with you. >> so terror is having your e-mails exposed in hollywood. >> right. >> not having 3,000 people die in the world trade center. i gotcha. >> by the way, if you use this logic that hollywood is using right now we should be banning "planet of the apes" because it offen offends monkeys. how many movies are offensive to people? >> i have a second story apartment. i will play it outside for everybody to watch it. i'll be happy to do it. i hope the chinese and koreans eat cake. >> i don't know what's up with that. can we talk about hollywood for a second? [ overlapping speakers ] >> dana, greg's favorite thing in life twitter.

some people were on it. rob lowe. any chance i get to say his name and see a picture. >> an ugly man. >> okay, rob lowe. >> skinnies isn't he? >> what do you think about this? rob lowe saying wow, everyone caved. the hackers won. an utter and complete victory for them. would you. >> he's absolutely right. >> jimmy kimmel "an unamerican act of cowardice avows these terrorist actions and sets a terrifying precedent." he's right on the money i think >> yes, absolutely. >> i was watching jenn saki on cnn, she couldn't bring herself to call it cyber terrorism. she was asked is it cyber terrorism and she wouldn't go there. i don't know what it which is the obama administration that they just avert the word "terror" at any cost. >> i think you call it terror you're going to have to act. also there's a distinct definition. so did they cause violence? no. did they threaten violence? yes. didn't quite get to terrorism, i guess. we're kind of on uncharted

territory. >> did it change your way of life by fear? >> i just think that's not the legal definition. it is interesting sony bought the rights to the snowden movie. this is all about the spying on americans. i wonder if are going to pull that back, too. >> interesting. >> this is a very dangerous precedent. i don't think this was a good move at all. you shouldn't bow down and cave into terrorists like this. so anyway -- >> i'm just worried about the backlash against hackers. got to think about the hackers. >> poor hackers. >> i'd like to see a movie about" n.o.w." >> we'll move on. stay tuned. we're going to tell you how you can protect yourself from online hackers. that's next on "the five." greg, pay attention.

the hacking of sony is making a lot of americans think about their own security online. there's good reason to be somewhat concerned according to the director of the fbi. >> cyber crime is becoming everything in crime. again, because people have connected their entire lives to the internet. that's where those who want to steal more or hurt kids or defraud go. so it's an epidemic for reasons that make sense. >> how many attacks are there on american compu on people's credit card numbers and

the whole mass? >> too many to count. >> sounds like cyber crime is a long way from bonnie and clyde for the fbi. >> bonnie and clyde could not do 1,000 robberies in the same day in all 50 states from their pajamas halfway around the world. >> do people understand in your estimation the dangers posed by cyber crime and cyber espionage? >> i don't think so. >> so what can you do to protect your hef from hackers? here are some tips from the international business times and better business bureau. even bob looked up there. he's interested. use reputable web sites that have a good track record from previous customers. this is a good one. use a credit card over an accident card because they have extra security features and credit companies are usually more willing to replace your stolen money than most banks. and also this sounds simple but you got to make sure to use strong passwords that have numbers, capital and lower case letters and a symbol. and i heard a little tip today from somebody who's kind of in the business. >> what? >> a lot of web sites now will

allow you to put a space in your password. and when you do that, if you put like kimberly space guilfoyle it messes up other computers that are trying to get to you. you should try that. maybe when you change your passwords add a space. very simple. >> add pass instead of password go pass space word? >> it might help. cut down 80% of the hacking. >> can i just point something out? if you adhere to every single one of those, it wouldn't have helped sony one iota. >> that's true. however we need to point out, kimberly, we don't need to scare people. china is not trying to hack into personal e-mails necessarily. but one thing you should do, you should have a personal e-mail account and a business e-mail account and you should never cross the line. that's hard to do. >> then we got to talk about the real world. >> okay. >> that sounds great. but i think even people that are very scrupulous and the best of intentions there's going to be crossover. you saw some of the stuff with sony with his trusted assistant

who was like hey i got to get your amazon password back and forth just trying to be helpful probably at christmastime and get stuff done. but you have to like almost shut down your efficiency to err on the side of caution and cyber security, otherwise you might get jammed. >> i was reading this, this is what i pay attention to. i was paying attention just reading my notes. but eric -- if kimberly grabbed my phone and eric says what's your birthday first of the month. she got in right away i had to go tackle here. >> i've never seen you move so fast. >> exactly. but the other thing is that -- >> he's a high tackler, too, if you know what i mean. >> here's my problem. i only use a debit card because i'm maxed out on my credit card so i use a debit card. one day a guy asked what's your address that this bill goes to this debit card? he said what's your social security number? i told him. >> bob come on. that's not believable. >> $30,000 in computer equipment. >> why would you give someone

your social security number? >> because i was stupid. >> that's a tip. there's a tip. >> how about your social security number? >> greg, you've been a little bit worried about this situation because you're just thinking about -- >> well first of all, just to calm people, you never want to blame the victim. but you don't leave your windows open and your doors unlocked in a rough neighborhood. that's what sony did. sony has part of the blame in all of this. they should have done a better job. however, i'm an expert on passwords. i talked about this yesterday. and i have a solution. make your passwords all about me. four parts. use my name, what you like about me, eyes, feet -- >> feet? >> socks. three, what we would do together on a date. and four, how old i look. so a typical ideal password would be greg's pecs yoga 27. no one could crack that. >> it's safe. >> four combinations. you've got like a trillion combinations on that. >> you need a symbol, too. >> greg anger management.com?

>> can i give you the only real advice unfortunately is what your friend has. yes, no and call me. >> i worked with a guy. >> that's the only response. >> you just have to be verbal. >> yeah, right. call me. >> i worked with a guy at the white house. and he only had three e-mail responses. yes, no, and see me. >> my $20 an ounce? >> okay. i was going to go with that. >> we've got to go. president obama has pledged to bridge the gap between the rich and the poor throughout his presidency. six years in, where does that gap stand now? eric's got the numbers next. y÷u

president obama swept into office in january 2009 with the message of hope and change in his first inaugural address he promised he would help usher in an era of economic equality. >> the question we ask today is not whether our government is too big or too small but whether it works. whether it helps families find jobs at a decent wage, care they can afford, a retirement that is dignified. this crisis has reminded us that without a watchful eye, the market can spin out of control. the nation cannot prosper along when it favors only the prosperous. >> nearly seven years and over

$7 trillion in added debt later, where do we stand? the wealth gap between middle and upper income households has widened to the highest level on record. and take a look at the last few years. in 2007, upper income median net worth was about 4.5 times greater than the middle class. last year nearly 7 times greater. so mr. president, hope yes, change not so much. bob, you pitched this segment. what in the world were you thinking? this is the widest income equality than ever. >> the one i pitched, the only one i got and you managed to turn it into an anti-obama piece. first of all, one of the reasons for this in the obama administration you had the biggest stock market boom than we've had in a long time. most people own stocks who are wealthy people. this has been going on a long, long time. back in 1960 the average ceo made about $64 for every dollar owned by somebody on the floor. it's now like $900. >> here's the point. you heard the sound bite of president obama 2009, right? >> yes. >> where he said he was concerned about the upper class

having so much more wealth than the middle class. >> correct. >> and under president obama, dana, it's only gotten worse. >> i think that wealth is different than income, right? wealth is how much you have and income is how much you make. the question for policymakers and our leaders and all of us that want to participate in a democracy is, is anybody in the system unfairly disadvantaged? is there a policy that is making them -- it impossible for them to move up and to make more. i think that a lot of people across the country are looking at this saying that if you're a republican or a democrat, a lot of the old tricks don't work anymore necessarily. like the tax cuts didn't do it for everybody. redistribution doesn't do it for everybody. so now going into 2016, i think we're in new territory here with the possibility of making mobility the ability to make more money and to gain more wealth -- the election should be about that. >> that's the issue that people should focus on. but the problem is as long as the feds are keeping print money

or loaning money it wall street you're still going to see record > go ahead, greg. >> this truly is trickle down economics. everyone who wasn't rich got peed on by this administration. >> whoa, that was weird. >> it's actually logical. this is not about the greedy rich anymore, it's about the policies of progressives. it shows that spreading the wealth, bob, doesn't help spread anything but division and animosity. the way to make more money is to increase the pie, not to rearrange the slices. and what we did is we rearranged the slices. people got scared. they horded their money. and what happened was the people he was supposed to help got screwed, including blacks and hispanics. they fared worse under obama than whites did. that makes president obama a racist. >> why aren't people protesting in the streets about that?

protest about that. [ overlapping speakers ] >> sharpton and i are meeting later. >> are you? >> can i throw this out here? a long time ago i said i don't have a problem win come inequality as long as the rate is going up. if both are doing better it's okay. because even if the upper class is doing better it's bringing the lower class up with it. that in my world and free market world land, it's a rising boat. >> rising tide floating the lower boats as well. so i'm okay with that. we set it up only on hypocrisy of president obama saying the income inequality gap was too wide and the wealth gap was too wide. and now it's wider than when he took over. that was the point about that. >> dana, during reagan when he had his boom, the lower income did go up. during clinton it went up. poor people came up with the wealthy people. why do you think it isn't? it's not because obama doesn't want it to happen. >> will game gauston of the "wall street journal" worked in the early years of the clinton

administration. he writes a lot about this. some of my thinking comes from that. i also think another thing that is happened in the last 30 years, marriage. a big determining factor of how much wealth you have in a household is based on marriage. >> that's what it is. >> marriage rates are way down. and nobody really wants to talk about that. because people don't want to get married or have more babies. >> you have more net worth if you're together than if you're separate. also do you get the impression that there are fewer people working? >> that is definitely -- there are fewer people working. >> that makes a lot of sense. >> and also a lot of -- >> a lot of the frustration about wealth is aimed at one sector, the finance sector. it's not aimed at people in entertainment or sports or even technology. for some reason those companies escape any sort of scrutiny. but it's the financial sector that gets a lot of the attention. >> the problem is they also contribute money to both democrats and republicans in large -- >> wall street donates more to democrats than to republicans. over and over again. >> this administration has done

more to create dependency, increase dependency from government assistance. record numbers of food stamps and people on welfare. so of course, that's widening the gap as well. they want to do that. they want people to rely on government services to breed a nation of julius instead of people that are out there able to put themself to make money. [ overlapping speakers ] >> welfare and government social programs, all of the above. higher taxes for middle class, too. >> amazing. it's like you pull a string. megyn kelly said she had an awkward conversation with president obama at the white house christmas party tuesday night. it was only 30 seconds long. what happened? you're going to hear from megan next.

if you had 30 seconds to talk to the president of the united states, what would you say? megyn did and she said it didn't go well. >> did you talk to the first lady? >> i had 30 seconds to get in and get out without embarrassing myself and i blue it. -- i blew it.

>> and speaking to my house, doug, next to me, i said "maybe we'll be here two years." and he was like, "what?" it was like a joke that we would run for office and we'd be here two news. all i can think is she's from fox news, oh, i don't like fox news, she must be a republican. is that a shot at me? >> that's exactly what it was, megyn. >> i think it's easy to get tongue tied in front of any president, it doesn't matter republican or democrat. you might think of all of things you might want to say to them but when you walk into the room, something happens to you. >> did you ever have any embarrassing moment talking the president? >> obama? >> you got along with president bush. >> i can't think of any at the

moment. >> the last time you talked to the president, what did you say? >> i asked him for a light. >> but you and the first lady -- >> this is interesting because when i was at the white house and actually george bush, w. was president and i was with gavin, he was super nice to us, we were in a private room with him and he took pictures with us and this is whether gavin was doing gay marriage, he's like hey, take a picture, come over, let's take a picture together. very nice. said great things about san francisco. democratic national convention, first time i met senator obama, would not take a picture with gavin and i. he was planning on running. isn't that interesting? and i didn't work here yet.

>> i ate the president's dessert. that was so weird. >> you did? >> you were at the correspondents dinner and the room is dark and you can't really see out there and i was waving to michelle obama and she was waving and she realized it was the fox news table and then was the fox news table and then she went like woman: for soft beautiful feet, i have a professional secret: amopé and its premium foot care line. the new amopé pedi perfect foot file gives you soft beautiful feet effortlessly. its microlumina rotating head buffs away hard skin even on those hard-to-reach spots. it's amazing. you can see it and feel it. my new must-have for soft, beautiful feet. amopé pedi perfect. find it in the foot care aisle or at the registers in these stores.

i go first. catch me on o'reilly tonight. it's the strangest ever. and it's time for greg's sports corner. >> as we go to, it's the cat versus tree olympics. let's go right to lake placid. here we go. that's captain chuckles.

oh, he almost made it! there is admiral fluff fluff. this one took one down, that one took another down. it's ugly out there. it gets very violent. some of the cats didn't make it unfortunately. >> why are they so weird? >> if you have a christmas tree and a cat, keep them in separate room. cats don't like call ferns. >> all right, bob. >> christmas vacation where they burn the squirrel? >> okay. the greatest country western singer of all time was on david letterman last night, willie nelson. take a look at this. ♪ i hard to keep your try up when your back is to the floor >> he actually sounds better. >> very quickly, i was pro cuba deal, throw a couple of tweets in the facebook comment.

here's what you had to say about my being pro cuba. "no to cuba, now we cave into north korea. cuba has not changed since the bay of pigs. >> i've been watching this great thing on twitter, national federation of independent business campaign. you tweet in a picture called "pet boss." if you work from home and you have a pet like jasper came to "the five" one day. i think we have a picture of that. this is eric and freedom, kimberly and bella. this is a very sweet little picture there, there she is. >> this is great! >> and greg and captain

sparkles. that's how he does all of his work at home. and then bob and jasper. >> is that photo shopped? >> there's bob doing some work. that's bob's favorite. >> we love it! >> we just got back from the e.r. we had a little accident. kimberly? >> that is so gross. >> you don't even know what i'm talking about. >> let's talk about something awesome. >> yes, i do. >> hurry up! >> they have this new technology, a shark drone. it's the coolest thing i have ever seen. we should send it over to north korea. it swims like a fish, it oscillates, it's very cool. >> you know ♪

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