conference. heather: "outnumbered" starts right now. see you back here in a bit. ♪ ♪ >> this is "outnumbered." i'm andrea tantaros, and here with us today harris faulkner, melissa francis is back from our sister network, fox business, actress and fox news contributor stacey dash and today's *oneluckyguy, you know him, you see him on saturdays and sundays on "fox & friends" weekend, clayton morris is here, and you're outnumbered. >> it's about time. [laughter] >> it's about time. >> what took you so long? >> i don't know. i'm getting it from all sides this morning. >> you are on the weekends. >> exactly. we've got rick, tucker myself and one woman, so the roles are reversed this morning on this show. >> as it should be. >> that's right, that's right. >> well, we are happy to have you. >> thank you for having me. >> hit it. all right, the investigation into the sony hack attack may be getting even bigger. sources tell fox news the u.s.

has found compelling evidence that someone helped north korea launch a cyber attack against sony pictures. due to the sophisticated nature of the assault which forced sony to cancel the release of the comedy, they're pointing to several north korean allies, all united in their hatred of america. and now the fbi releasing a statement saying the evidence does point to north korea, but it does not name any other countries. our chief intelligence correspondent, catherine herridge, has been all over this. she joins us from washington. catherine? >> reporter: well, thank you, andrea. we just received this statement from the fbi that says there is sufficient forensic evidence to conclude north korea was responsible for the cyber attack on sony, and while not exhaustive, three pieces of evidence are provided in the statement. technical analysis of the data deleted in the attack, according to the fbi, has links to malware that north korea has used in the past. there were also similarities in code, encryption and data deletion methods. there was significant overlap

between several ip or internet protocol addresses that were hard coded kind of like a dna into the malware which was consistent with north korea. and the sony incident bears striking similarities to a cyber attack last year against south korean banks and media outlets. this morning the obama administration is weighing its response to the cyber attack on sony, and a member of the house homeland security committee who oversees cyber investigations told "fox & friends" that the u.s. must find the right balance. >> one of the key things you have is a discussion of proportionality and the recognition that any kind of acts have the potential to escalate. and you also need to appreciate what's the motives behind a place like north korea, how much credibility do we give them in the world if we overreact? >> reporter: a source who was familiar with the discussions over the fbi's statement told us this morning that it was by no means exhaustive in terms of the evidence that was being provided.

publicly identifying north korea, andrea, this is a real departure. we have not seen this in the past. the u.s. government typically operates behind the scenes. based on this statement, they say the gravity of the destruction -- which really amounted to dropping a bomb on the sony systems -- was such that the administration felt they needed to publicly blame north korea in this case. >> and we'll be watching the white house later today to hear the president's comments on this. great reporting. thank you, catherine. >> reporter: you're welcome. meantime, president obama will hold his end of the year news conference in the next hour. we may hear from him on the sony attack. but while the evidence is pointing to north korea and possibly some of its allies, the white house so far stopping short of blaming the rogue nation. here's the white house's press secretary, josh earnest. >> this is something that's being treated as a serious national security matter. there is evidence to indicate that we have seen destructive activity with malicious intent that was initiated by a sophisticated actor.

and it is being treated by those investigative agencies, both at the fbi and the department of justice, as seriously as you would expect. >> in the meantime, ambassador john bolton says the u.s. is woefully unprepared to deal with cyber warfare, and it's a blessing in disguise that hackers chose to target the entertainment industry rather than defense. >> i think we have simply not paid enough attention to the threat that the cyber attacks pose for the government, for our business community. if we can conclude it was north korea, we need to put them back on the list of state sponsors of terrorism, we need to put all the economic sanctions back in place. this regime never should have been let out of international sanctions, and i think we're paying for it. >> ambassador bolton also tells greta that the administration better not treat this as some kind of inconvenience, or america's enemies will conclude that they can hit us, and they can get away with it.

all right, harris, there are so many angles to this story. >> right. >> first, i want to go to you with the big news today which is the president coming out to give his last press conference of 2014 on perhaps one of the bigst news days that we've seen in a couple of weeks. >> yeah. so i've been taking some notes. i know we have a few correspondents on this right now. you heard from catherine laying out why suddenly this has ratcheted up to become such a bigger story now, because there are potentially other countries involved in this, the president might come out and call this for what it is. remember, the white house has not pointed a finger yet at north korea. by the fbi coming ott with its evidence -- out with its evidence, you'll see the evidence come out in a statement or news conference, and then the president will step up and make whatever it is. the other thing to watch for today, adam houseley is reporting on that surgery for prep -- search for perpetrators. there's possibly a situation where you'd have a sony insider, a compromised insider. and then those suspected other

countries. we don't know whom. china's name has been mentioned, we'll have to see. >> you know, melissa, i want to get to you on the business angle of this. there's a lot of money involved. you listen to ambassador bolton, my first thought was why was north korea ever taken off that state sponsor of terror list? how do you sanction a nation-state that has isolated itself from the entire world? we've tried to hurt north korea. i'm just not sure that sanctions are the way to go at this presidential press conference. >> i don't know how much more we can do. the country so isolated, and they have a leader who is totally impervious to his own people's suffering. so as we continue to pile on and sort of isolate them, it doesn't seem like there's that much more we can do on that front. i always think money is the best way to go, but here i'm not sure how much we have left. i would also say on this idea of a search for a perpetrator, when i talk to ceos who are so afraid of being hacked, especially in our financial district, they talk about the fact that it

almost always starts with an insider. that's what it's about, is it's a compromised perp on the inside. -- person on the inside. that's where the threat really comes from. i think that's the takeaway for folks who are trying to deal with this, ceos who deal with their companies. and that's going to be the interesting piece here. now we're starting to hear there was perhaps somebody on the inside of sony that made this a possibility. >> and according to adam houseley's reporting, which harris referenced, it could have been a possible commuter of a in tokyo.yee -- computer of a clayton, a lot of people don't know you are one of our tech experts here at fox news. so what are your thoughts on the complexity of this hacking? because as catherine points out, this is much greater, the gravity of this is greater than we've ever seen before. >> absolutely. to me, it speaks to how prickly this is. on the one hand, you're having the white house to say we've got to step up here in the united states, but this is a private company with computers and servers in tokyo.

america, sony pictures, is a subsidiary of sony in california. so do you have the federal government watching computer servers in tokyo to make sure that some employee doesn't accidentally leave a usb drive in their computer? at what point does the federal government of the united states step in to protect the pipes that live in russia, mostly in europe? google servers all throughout india, ace ya? how do you -- asia? how do you handle this? >> president obama's going to step up to the podium. i would love to hear him take a really hard line on this one and back -- i mean, as awful as the executives are at sonny and the e-mails that we saw, he's got to rally around the first amendment here and show strength and show that we are not going to put up with this. >> him showing strength -- >> i don't think a list of sanctions is the way to go. >> -- is a huge question. this, to me, is a successful pearl harbor of the 21st century. and you're the tech guy. there should be secret hacker

companies that -- protecting private -- >> well, they're so easy -- >> been disses from these kinds of attacks. >> there's so many easy ways for companies to protect themselves like hiding encryption keys, instead of storing it in one place, having multiple places. john mccain said -- >> like i said, it's a successful pearl harbor to me. unexpected, and now we're saying we have no way to know this was coming? how can that be? >> well, you know, what you're alluding to is how much bigger could this become if it weren't just sony? the tools used in this show that whoever hacked sony had sumties to a cyber a-- similarities to a cyber attack last year. so potentially we could see this feather out. this could be like a practice. >> right. >> i want to go to this because maybe we've been focused -- i don't mean we at fox as much as everybody else, because we've

been covering the whole story -- maybe others have been focused on those e-mails. a major hollywood star is speaking out about the attack. george clooney says in an interview not a single celebrity or industry figure would sign a petition supporting sony. everyone was too afraid of the consequences. and he's also blasting the media saying in an interview, quote: the problem is that what happened was while all of this was going on, there was this huge news story that no one was really tracking. they were just enjoying the salacious stuff instead of saying, wait a minute, is this really north korea, and if it is, are we really going to bow to that? end quote. i'm going to come to you first, melissa, on this. is he right about this? >> i mean, he makes a really interesting point because he says that what they did was so clever, you know, they basically alienated sony from its friends by putting those e-mails out there. you have the heads of sony over in a corner already feeling ashamed, and then when they were attacked on the movie front,

there was no one there wanting to back them up. i think sony has a huge opportunity right now to turn this pr disaster for themselves around, and i think they could even wipe away everything that's happened so far if they stood up and they released the film online, make a big gesture that says that we're not going to bow to terrorists, we're not going to bow to intimidation. put it out there in a way that they deem safe, and they could look now, they could turn the story. i mean, we all know media spin. you could get out there and turn it in your direction. >> what else, what else exists out there? that's the fear, i think, for sony which is that the attackers released a statement just a short time ago, 45 minutes ago, saying it's a smart move that you didn't release this movie because you know what? if you did anything else, we've got more. and that's what sony's acting on, is fear. >> what i want to ask hollywood is where is the democratic party that they have supported so wholeheartedly?

where are they? where are they now? they should be the ones saying release this film. the federal government -- >> right. free speech advocates. >> and the threat against sony now so different than what they said. they said if you release the movie, we're going to unleash a 9/11-style attack, but they're saying now there's more juicy stuff. >> who cares? >> well, maybe it's just salacious. is there something that sony would be trying to hide that might be criminal? we don't know because we don't know -- >> i don't know about salacious. when i think about salacious comment, i think, okay, so now we have sony executives that are more concerned with their own personal reputations which have already been destroyed. i think what the president needs to do today -- and i agree with melissa's point -- >> big gesture. >> if i were him i'd say i just watched the movie, and i strongly encourage sony to release it. i just saw it, and we're going to stand behind sony pictures, and we are not going to be bullied. remember after 9/11? we circled the wagons around the

first amendment, and we let other nations know we're not going to stand for this. if we say anything else today, we are giving them a green light. >> yeah. they're messing with our confidence. >> we need to have a viewing night in this country. they should release it, we should say everyone tonight sit down and watch the movie and all stand together. >> if the president's news conference is on schedule, that would put us about an hour and 15 minutes away. fox news will carry that news conference, the very last one of the year by the president. we are anticipating -- don't know wholeheartedly, but anticipating -- that he will talk about this, sony hack attack and this new information from the fbi pointing to north korea. will he call it cyber terrorism? what are the options on the table for the united states? we might find out more, so watch for that. a new report is out now on the secret service following a string of security breaches like this one. remember? a man jumped the fence at the white house before getting inside. the new findings of a panel of outside experts that review the agency. its recommendations and whether it's enough.

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♪ ♪ >> welcome back to "outnumbered." serious problems found at the secret service, that is according to an inaccident possible's review -- independent panel's review after a number of security breaches at the white house. the secret service is starved for leadership and is making recommendations including hiring a leader from the outside, employing more agents and building a more secure fence around the white house, one that is at least four feet higher with curves on the top -- [laughter] this after a man scaled the fence and ran far into the white house through an unlocked front door in september. another man jumped the fence in october and kicked a guard dog before another dog stopped him. then the agents tackled him. you guys are chuckling over here. taste see, i'm going to start with you. we're laughing, bulling a bigger fence around the -- building a bigger fence around the white house -- >> how about we get a captain

for the ship called america? that's what we need. >> or at least the secret service. >> he's been so busy fiddling with the legislative and the judicial branch, he's not been leading the executive branch which is his. >> didn't you say the fence they added, they added that -- >> going to the fence. >> no, they had this little plastic security ties, and they put it in -- >> but they're blaming it -- >> remember, there's another fence we're focused on, and that's on our southern border. >> but now they're talking about the cia. this is his branch. >> right. >> it falls on his head, the president's. >> and the report came out, the first thing on the list of the report was money. >> right. exactly what i was going to next. >> money solves everything. >> as soon as there's a report, there's a price tag on the top of exactly how much we have to spend. talking about adding more agents, which i looked on, you know, "forbes" says they make $75,000-$100,000 on average, you're going to add a lot more

guys, is that going to solve the problem? >> no, i don't think so. look, i know we're giggling about this, i don't think it's very funny when someone breaks into the white house -- >> no, it's very serious. >> we look ridiculous right now, that we don't have our act together, right? we have people storming the white house. if i were president obama, i'd be very, very upset. i don't agree with him on most of his policies, that's not a shock, but i don't want anything to happen to anybody at the white house. and, melissa, i really don't need to know they did this review, and they don't need to publish the findings to advertise again to the world that we are less secure than we think. we can't keep the white house safe, we can't secure our southern border, but you know when the white house stepped up to really keep people out, when they kept the world world war ii memorial isolated from the veterans during the sequester. i mean, if they want to keep people out of something, they can keep people out. >> i mean, this is, though, a group that has been plagued with disaster. you look back at the prostitution scandal back in

colombia -- >> i don't know if i would call that disaster. >> no. >> embarrassing? >> that's a self-inflicted wound. >> okay. >> doesn't it symbolize a lack of leadership though? if you living in a -- if you're living in a climate where you think -- >> i think it's more serious and dangerous than embarrassing. i think it makes us look vulnerable, and it makes it look like that's another place where somebody could poke us. and that's particularly troubling because we're not talking about one or two incidents. i know you listed a few, but there are pages of these incidents over the last few years. and the fact that they felt like they needed this group to come out with recommendations, i agree, to make those relations -- recommendations even if it is about a fence that is four to five feet taller with curves, we're not talking about high-tech stuff here. do we need the details to be out there? >> no, that's a great point. and we talk about the fence, you know, i've reported from all around the world. when you go to saudi arabia, any building that you enter, i mean, it could be a hotel, they have very hyphenses that you can't --

high fences that are totally fortified, and you go flu a guard gate to -- through a guard gate to enter a restaurant. somebody has a gun that is trained on you as they're looking underneath your car. and then you look at how the white house is, maybe there's something in the middle that's a little bit more secure. >> that's the point. if you don't think you're going to get fired, why would anybody currently in secret service step up to rectify the mistakes? there was the prostitution scandal, then remember when the president went to nelson mandela's funeral, and the sign language interpreter was also a criminal -- >> right. >> funky sign language about cigarettes, and everyone giggled and thought it was funny? i did not think it was funny to have somebody so vulnerable put next to the president of the united states. >> outside leader, new leader from the outside to clean everything up. >> she's gone, now they're thinking outside. >> okay, interesting. new hope that dozens of fugitives living freely in cuba could be returned to the u.s. to face justice. among them a woman convicted of killing a state trooper more than 40 years ago.

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serving a life sentence when she escaped from prison in 1979 and ended up in cuba where fidel castro granted her asylum. her fugitive status even landing her on the fbi's most wanted terror list. okay, harris, i brought joanne's name up yesterday, she should be part of this deal, i think. the administration should get her back and have her serve her time along with the other criminals that are being held in cuba. >> you know what's interesting about her, i think a lot of people just don't have her on their radar, but did you know that she was the first woman the fbi ever put on the most wanted terrorist list in this country? it happened in 2013. you know, this is a case that really rose back into prominence when jay-z and beyonce got back from cuba last year, and they had to -- remember, it had to be decided by the government that it had been okay for them to go and so on and so forth. and then her name popped back up into the headlines at that

point. but we have 70 or so of these people. >> uh-huh. >> inside cuba behind, you know, behind their wall living freely. so if they come home to face justice, is what we're talking about. >> should they be extradited, is the question. >> it's interesting, from the outside this feels like the worst negotiation of all time, you know, that we -- >> that's what rubio says. >> is there anything in return? >> this would be something that i don't know if we could negotiate after the fact. we've sort of already given in and done it. but maybe this would be something to get out of it. >> why wouldn't it have been part of the original deal? >> right. >> this administration are the worst negotiators are in the world. i mean, i want to sell them a car and a piece of real estate right now, you know? >> this really was at the heart of this, right? i look at these situations, and i think what does the united states get out of this transaction? maybe some cheap land or discounted coffee from cuba. but cuba's a real winner in this situation. they're being propped up by the government.

they were getting free oil, they're able to ship oil back, and now that venezuela is crumbling, they're turning to the united states for economic help, and this is a way of getting economic assistance. >> what do you say to the families, like the family of new jersey state trooper that was murdered, also in the swap. two american planes were shot down on the other side of the coin, the cubans who were accused of doing that also part of this trade. i mean, it really is a terrible deal the more we learn about this. the administration could have gotten far more and, frankly, i think owes the families some answers on that. >> yeah. you know, some of the people who, though, are living freely are able to continue to be who they are, so we're talking about the woman who was giving speeches. she's somewhat of a motivational speaker for her creed of terrorism, if you will, and she talks openly about revolution and if she were to come back to the country -- >> she'd probably get a job at a university somewhere. >> right, california. >> when we talk about freedom over there, i don't know that it

applies to anybody as much as these people who have sought political asylum. i mean, she's speaking openly. i don't know if that's available to the regular citizens over there. >> congressman charlie rangel this amonging saying, look -- this morning saying, look, can you name one thing that's wrong with this entire deal? there's not one downside to the united states. i think we've laid out quite a few of them. >> yes. >> a lot of folks say we're breathing new life into a regime that has largely failed. i guess the flipside is that we're taking away their biggest piece of prop began da. it was so -- propaganda. it was so easy to vilify america. we are taking away a meaningful piece of propaganda. this is the argument the other side is making. there's some validity in that. >> i have a question for you, ann -- andrea, you saw senator rubio, senate menendez, people on both sides of the aisle, but there are a tremendous amount of

democrats who will point a finger now and say, well, are republicans being insensitive when it comes to helping the people -- >> the problem is, and what i don't trust is exactly that. will the people in cuba be in in any way helped by this deal? >> right. >> no. >> to answer your question, look, it's a very emotional argument and, harris, i think the administration does these emotional arguments very well. republicans or anyone against what we're doing, you don't like children, you don't like latinos, you have no sympathy for people who don't have health care. the list goes on and on. and i do think it's going to be difficult politically for them to fight the administration on this one because a lot of news outlets are showing people in cuba with that hope and that anticipation of freedom. but the likelihood of that happening -- >> how many electoral votes in florida? there you go. >> well, the cuban population is strong in southern florida, i don't think it's as strong as it used to be, but it'll be interesting to see how this factors in. >> all right, we're going to

move on. the majority of american children, 65% to be very exact, are living in households which receive at least one form of government aid. now, that would include food stamps, medicaid, the national school lunch program, for example, and it's been that way for at least three years, making children living in homes that never received assistance actually in the minority now. stacey, i know you have strong thoughts on this. >> this is the democratic party's new version of slavery. i am a believer in the american dream. but as long as you are told where you have to live, what you have to eat, what you have to wear, you know, where you have to go to school, you will never know the true meaning of freedom of expression and the power and value of self-achievement. you will never know what that is. >> so what would you say to just to play devil's advocate, what would you say to somebody who would argue but so many of these children might be needing these programs, so you would be leaving them behind if you

didn't shore them up. >> then you educate them, you support them, and you give them a certain amount of time. you don't just keep giving it to them. >> i think it's interesting when you lay out an economic incentive to people, they respond in a very specific way. i remember when i was an undergraduate at harvard, we would go out into the community around cambridge, and i remember talking to a mom whose daughter i was helping with her homework, and she was planning on having another child because she had calculated how much more she would get every month, and she knew that the marginal child wasn't going to cost her as much as what she was going to get in assistance. and you cannot blame her necessarily for thinking like that because the government has laid out specific economic incentives to get you to operate in a certain way. and she was just responding to that. >> instead of giving you incentives to work. >> yeah. >> unstead of giving -- instead of giving you incentive to get a good education. >> last night on the factor bill o'reilly and i got into a bit of a disagreement --

>> i watched that. [laughter] >> all is forgiven. his talking points memo talked about how he thinks this country is poised to make a return to tradition. and a traditional comeback. and my argument was, no, because the culture is moving in a direction that's very progressive. everywhere we go -- >> yeah. >> and this dependency culture, the one that melissa just talked about, it's very hard when you have a culture pushing progressivism, you have this government that's all too ready to come in and replace husbands, replace wives, replace families. the policies are disincentivizing tradition. marriage. they're disincentivizing men from getting work. men can't even find jobs so they can provide for a family and get married. the culture is so progressive, and the government is stepping in in a bug way to fill that -- big way to fill that void. >> clayton, is there an opportunity then to say for some politician maybe for 2016, i'm going to make my focus jobs? >> or speak about family and the

deterioration of the family in this country. i think president obama has dropped the ball significantly. he could have gone into the heart of chicago, all these spots and talked about the breakdown of the family. you know, you look at the black youth unemployment in this country, the it's the highest in our nation's history. highest in our nation's history under president obama's watch right now. could the president not have gone into these communities and talk abouted about that very issue? >> the whole point of a breakdown of the life of julia, if women are single, they are reliant on the government. that is the goal. >> i agree with your argument against bill o'reilly spot on. rush limbaugh made the point, this is exactly what democrats want. when they're being able to fund this, they've got a voting bloc -- >> and there's no leader that can put that genie back in the bottle. i just don't think so, unfortunately: >> we'll go back to it, new fallout in the sony hack e-mail saga. what aaron sorkin had to say about when women win oscars in hollywood. ♪ ♪ [ fishing rod casting line, marching band playing ]

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♪ ♪ >> a leaked e-mail from the sony hack attack revealing shocking comments by award-winning screenwriter aaron sorkin saying that women get oscars more easily than men and that the degree of difficulty for men is higher. sorkin continues in the e-mail to the new york times columnist maureen dowd, quote: year in and year out the guy who wins the oscar for best actor has a higher bar to clear than the woman who wins best actress. meantime, the hacked e-mails also revealing that the oscar winner, jennifer lawrence, was paid almost a quarter less than her costars in the film "american hustle." >> well, i want to know what you think. [laughter] >> first of all, aaron sorkin as a writer for an actress is just a god. you die to say his words. but what he's saying about the

oscars i don't understand because men run against men, women run against women, so i don't get the correlation. i don't understand it. >> yeah. what's the bar? what is the standardsome. >> yeah, so -- >> they're having to act, they're having to act harder? >> yeah, right. [laughter] >> roles are a lot more challenging. when he went through and listed the various roles and sort of sent meryl streep off to the side, of course she can play with the boys -- >> and he did put it like that. >> he did put it like that. you think about how about cate blanchett? he talked about her this the woody allen movie. >> blue jasmine. >> how about when she was elizabeth and won the academy award for that? that certainly wasn't below, you know -- [inaudible conversations] >> yeah. i don't think the comments make a lot of sense. i've looked at past oscar winners, julia roberts and others, and they've given tremendous performances. really hollywood, i think, stacey, i defer to you on this, but to me, it seems like one of the most misogynystic, just

double-standard, unfair places for women to be. [laughter] they pay women less, they treat them terribly. if you talk to a woman in hollywood and you get them to talk, they will tell you, oh, yeah, it's a boys' town. the billion dollar boys' club. >> you just don't know how much boy they are. but, yes, i would say -- >> what does that mean? [laughter] >> we have plenty of time to find out. 15 minutes, please talk. [laughter] >> i just, i don't know -- men in hollywood, you know, are not, i don't know if they're really men. but anyway -- >> all right. >> but this, i don't believe that. >> what about the gender pay gap? >> i don't know about the gender pay gap because if overgot angelina joely in a fill -- jolie and bradley cooper, i have to say american sniper is the best film i've seen ever, i believe she would get more. >> this is exactly what george cloone us.

here we are talking about the leaked e-mails, the content of the conversation. we're distracting folks from the hack, from the real, actual crime here, and we're talking about the fun, salacious details. >> and in a way this is aiding the terrorists. >> into we're really, okay, so he made $8 million and she only made $6.5 million -- >> right. >> cry me a river. [laughter] you know, jennifer lawrence, everyone's lamenting she got paid less, they rewrote x-men around her, this b-level character. she's on the movie posters next to hugh jackman right up in front on the latest x-men film. >> you know what is confusing to me too, aaron sorkin is kind of putting his own creed down, isn't he? you're supposed to be one of the best writers, but now you're saying the roles for women -- >> write better roles for women. >> write better role, mr. sorkin. >> for me, please. thank you. [laughter]

>> american hustle was such a bad movie. >> no, it wasn't, what are you talking about? i loved it! >> i loved "american hustle." >> we've gotta go! president obama's end of year news conference scheduled to kick off inless than an -- in less than an hour. plus, is this toy set glorifying crime? the popular play set that may have so many parents up in arms. ♪

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♪ ♪ >> all right. toymaker playmobil finding itself the center of a christmas controversy with some parents saying they have toys that condone violation. one features a female bank robber complete with a mask and a gun. and another has an injured cyclist with emts loading him in the back of an ambulance like real life. >> right. [laughter] >> some parents say the toys are too grim and depressing for young children, but the company's marketing manager says, quote: one thing that our feedback tells us it's important children can be taught through play recognizing the difference

between good and evil. i mean, it's ridiculous. >> if you don't like it, don't buy it! >> amen. >> vote with your dollars. how stupid. >> i played cops and robbers, i play ajekyllers with my -- avengers with my -- maybe i'm a little tmi, but i'm a bad guy, you know? the bank robber's robbing the bank? give me a break. >> ridiculous. you control what goes on in your house. don't buy the toys if you don't like the message. my mother-in-law still tries to sneak some things in the house that i don't like, they don't make it over the threshold of the apartment. sorry about that, martha. [laughter] >> my girls love froze aren, i think some of us have seen the movie -- in too many times. >> we're talking about a narcissistic young girl who doesn't want her sister to have a man. [laughter] >> whoa! [inaudible conversations] >> that's exactly what it is. >> wow. >> that's what it is. call it what it is.

>> okay. >> i mean, there are plenty of messages that you might have to explain. >> i think women -- >> narcissistic sister that doesn't want her sister to have a man. >> i see that now. wow. [inaudible conversations] >> women can be -- >> she doesn't want her sister to get married. >> women can be bank robbers too. there's an opportunity out there. >> look at patty hearst? it's a teachable moment. i agree it's so stupid. if you don't like it, don't buy it. there's violence in video games. this isn't exactly a breaking news story, but maybe there is some parent out there that wants to teach their children about what happens when you're in an accident and the emts show up -- >> or if you're in the bank and there's a woman robbing the bank, what you should do? >> what if one of the parents happens to be an emergency worker? happens to be an emt? >> there you go. >> here's what daddy does for a living. >> we have the doctor set at our house where you bandage everyone else. this is what kids do. but i think there is a knee-jerk

reaction. when my kids were really small, you try to keep them isolated from everything you think is going to be a bad influence, and then you realize you can't control everything, so you as a parent have to explain some embarrassing things, and you also have to say this is acceptable for us, this is not. >> exactly. did your kids play with controversial toys? did they grow up to be bad people? >> no. my kids still sword fight, and they're 13 years apart. >> there you go. >> i still expect elsa to call me. [laughter] >> you know what, harris? >> you blew my mind with that one. >> do i tell you to let it go? [laughter] do i? do i go there? let it go. >> way too many times. order in the court, and i can relate to this, brad pitt let out of jury duty because he was too much of a distraction. are folked so obsessed with -- folks so obsessed with celebrities that they can't even sit on a jury? we'll debate.

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>> i could be on an island right now. just hearing his name can make a girl swoon and imagine sitting next to actor brad pitt on the jury bench. that's why the star is getting a pass performing the civic duty. he is too distracting. he showed up to the court but the court said it would divert the jury for matters at hand. this is common for celebrities. tom hanks. a female member of the city attorney's office approached him in the hall. brad pitt was eager to serve and thought it would be interesting. but apparently, he is just too darn hot to be on a jury. >> i can see it be distracting. who would you not be able to serve on a jury with?

>> there is so many. >> chris hemsworth and tom brady. i would be guilty, not guilty. >> i think i am supposed to say my husband. >> so michael strahanor collin. >> and for me ian or summer hall. the guy is smoking hot. >> mine are different reasons. robert deanio and jack nicholson. >> it would be like a great grandfather thing going on there. i think it would be jimmy fallon. >> it would be passing notes while listening. >> i want someone to entertain me. >> for me it would be a funny guy. >> jimmy fallon. >> what about a woman? >> oh, boy, >> i know one.

>> i know an actress? >> i know, yes, exactly. hum. hum. hum. getting in trouble on the couch. i wont be able to focus. >> i tried to pull it off in a high profile murder trial. i novembers the news business. i said i am just too distracting and the judge said i have no idea who you are. i agree with brad pitt. it was fascinating and one of the more fascinating things i can remember. i wish he can do that. >> every time i get called in the jury duty i sit in the hall for two days. and i am happy to do it. >> and i will loan you my bush- cheney t- shirt and they will not pick you with the era hat. "happening now" is starting soon and no outnumbered overtime. and tune in for the presidential

press conference, last one from the white house in 2014. "happening now", take it away. >> thank you, we start with the fox news alert. president obama is set to wrap up his year in washington with a new's conference. we have live coverage and analysis. we are covering all of the news and it is "happening now". >> the growing fallout over the sony cyber attack and congressional opposition to normalizing operations with cuba and president obama expected to take questions on those issues and others minutes from now. and we'll bring them to you live. >> plus, it is fantastic. >> oil has a falling price and giving a lift to the bottom line. and with the good can come the bad, we'll explain. also. uncle sam.