sony pulls the plug on the interview and the president says we cannot let foreign dictators sensor us just because we're offended. he's right about that but what about trying to make nice with cuba's dictator plus johns ratsonberger on how you can put american-made presents under your christmas tree. all of that and more tonight on huckabee. [ applause ]

lightens up their sanctions and green lights their acceleration to a nuclear weapon. he goes all out to welcome chinese leaders. then he's so busy involving himself in a local business matter in missouri that it took himself long to act to cyber terrorism. north korea was most likely aided and abetted by the chinese. by hacking sony and getting them to pull a movie off the shelf because of threats, an entertainment company has just given into terrorists, waved a white flag and said you win. i can understand why the president hasn't been that

concerned some presidents are accused of being too quick with the gun. this president is too quick with a pen and a phone. he calls up dictators and makes really lousy deals. he did he it this week with cuba. it appears that obama is much smarter than the ten presidents before them. they all thought that caving to cuba was a fools errand, the country that squashed free speech and enterprise and limited artistic expression but not president obama. he is so confident that he's right and that eisenhower, kennedy, johnson, nixon, ford, curt carter, reagan, bush and bush are such idiots that he didn't

consult any of them but instead e e eftablish unilateral trade agreements. some people think this is wonderful. americans will be able to get cuban cigars. all we got to do is let a few criminals loose, look the other way at their massive human rights violations and ignore the brave cubans who fled for their lives and many who still have relatives languishing away in jails as political prisoners. it might be nice to have a president that reads and respects the constitution. he would understand that the presidency is not a dictatorship or a monarchy and the role of the legislative branch is to provide advice and consent and he might find out that making nice with dictators rarely ends

well. i don't smoke cigars so i can't attest to how wonderful they are but i know that freedom is wonderful and so are the cuban americans that i know who have paid a high price to live in it. in the meantime the believe the corrupt castros are blowing smoke in our faces, and if we don't get a balance of powers, our own country will go up in smoke. god help us all. [ applause ] >> on friday, the fbi released a statement saying that north korea's government is responsible for the cyber attack on sony picture's entertainment. in his press conference, president obama said the government will do everything it can to improve cyber security and prevent turfurther attacks. we will respond. we will respond proportionally and we will respond in a place and time and manner that we choose. it's not something that i will

announce here today at a press conference. >> now north korea is saying it wasn't us and is threatening serious consequences if the u.s. doesn't doesn't agree to a joint investigation to find the real hackers. and then they threw this little dig in at the u.s. quote we have a way to prove that we have do with the case without resorting to torture as the cia does. well, sean henny is a former executive assistant director at the fbi. sean joins me now. great to have you back on the show. >> great to be here. >> was this cyber attack on sony, would you call it a wake up call. >> it certainly should be a wake up call. this is something that's begen going on for quite frankly a decade now. there are dozens of countries that have this capability and countries like china, russia and iran are currently in thousands of u.s. companies in our

industrial control systems. when something like this happens by north korea to a company like sony, it should get people's attention because this is a sign of things to come. >> north korea said we didn't have anything to do with that. we had help you find who did. i'm kind of thinking o.j. will join in the search too because he's so good at finding things. while north korea said they didn't have anything to do with it, the president said we will have a proportional response. i'm wondering of both the north koreans and the president on this. evaluate it. do you think the north koreans are behind it. do you agree with your fbi colleagues and did the president have the right tone behind this. >> on your first question of whether the north koreans did this or not, the fbi as well as other members of the intelligence community have done a thorough bevaluation, they've looked at a lot of different

indicators. they've looked at forensic analysis and they found tools and weaponry within the network, i imagine. my company crowd strike looked at the same type of information. we've been tracking north korea for several years, these types of actors and it correlates directly with what we've seen and we believe it is north korea. whether the president's decision and his tone is the right tone, i can tell you that again, the government has known about china, russia, iran, currently in our networks. there have been no statements like the one that we heard here in the last day or so. that causes me some great concern. the u.s. government has put out communications saying that our industrial control systems are compromised and if you think about what happened at sony which is horrible. it's tragic for many folks that are there and it's had a great impact on their organization, imagine if the lights start to go out, what that means to our society right here in the united states. >> we're pretty outraged that a

motion picture is being pulled off of the shelf. i think we should be upset about that but what you just said is a part of this that americans really need to think about. cyber security, a true cyber war could affect everything we do from being able to access our money at an atm to the electric grid to water systems, airports being able to control airplanes coming in and out. should we be more afraid of things that could be done to us in cyber space than we are just somebody getting across the border with a dirty bomb? >> well, governor i think you're absolutely right. this is a critical threat to our entire society. the very dna of all of our companies resides electronical on our networks. we're losing intellectual property, research and development and the threat to our critical infrastructure when you think about the power grid, sewer, water, transportation communications, the very things that allow us to life the lives we do as americans they are absolutely at risk.

as you said earlier, should this be a wake up call. the american people have to stand up and we have to hold our government officials accountable and make it clear that if you cross the line this is the consequences that are going to be. >> i can't fix the electric grid but what about my identity, my e-mail. is there anything that i'm vulnerable in as a consumer and what do i do about it? you know governor i think we need to take it a step higher and not look necessarily at the consumer but at the corporations who are maintaining this data within their networks that they are susceptible. if those companies are working not solely to protect their perimeter of their networks but if they can actually start to hunt within their environment to look for indicators that they are under attack. if they can detect them early on, they can mitigate the consequences. that would help personal

information from being released and ultimately protect consumers. i think at the corporate level if they learn to detect viruses, we'd be in a much stronger position. >> i hope somebody is listening and takes your advice on it. sean, great to have you here. thanks for joining us again. >> thanks. >> president obama said once that we couldn't have a society where foreign dictators impose censorship in the u.s. but will the north korean threat lead to a culture where producers an artists sensor themselves out of sheer fear. actor eric roberts on the threat to artistic freedom when we come back.

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sony pictures responded to terror threats by canceling the release of the movie the interview. it was scheduled for christmas day. in an interview with deadline hollywood, actor george clooney called out other hollywood executives, even calling them cowards because they didn't stand by sony and remained silent. clooney also spoke about the precedent that this has set. people can boycott the movie and say that they will never see a sony movie again but to say we're going to make you pull it. we're going to sensor you, that's a whole other game. this is playing in serious waters and it's a very dangerous pool. so is artistic freedom tablikin beating. this is very troubling to me. i think the first amendment is so sacred in america that the

idea that a foreign government or any government would dictate the content of a movie even if it's tasteless is repulsive to me. >> right. >> so what do you think about george clooney's attempt to get people to come on board and say let's not take this sitting down? >> i'm honored to be asked. i'm also under qualified to be asked. i haven't seen the movie but i know the issue is that the movie is a broad comedy that makes light of the idea of killing someone. it also makes fun of someone or self someones and is insult humor in high gear. okay we in america love that. the question is does this material propagate hate? that's the only question it is. does it make it okay for us to stereo tape and/or disrespect a people or culture? >> eric i understand. we don't want to create hate but

people artistically have a right to say things that offend me and insult me. i accept that as being one of the joys of being a american in a free nation, i don't have a right to be unoe fenned. that's part of the consequence for being free. is that something we should may be do a better job of protecting rather than acquiesce so somebody who said my feeling got hurt? i have a endless sense of humor about everything i am. everything i do. everything i say. that's not me. i'm not north korean. do we make comedies and child abuse and domestic violence? so why is it okay to make a comedy about assassination when it's not a fictitious character? i think that's the whole bottom line. >> you know a few years ago, a

fictitious character this would be out there. a few years ago there was a movie about the assassination of george w. bush, he was sitting in office. as much as i thought it was offensive and would be a commercial disaster, i didn't want the government of north korea or the government of the united states saying that they are going to put a cabash on the movie because i don't want the government ever dictating what an artist expresses even if it's something that i find objectionable. >> of course you don't. so how do we get to that balance. >> but we also have to take into consideration that we have another culture we're talking about. so we have to take that into consideration. i love seth rogan. i love james franco. i love the whole idea of this movie. however, we have to take into consideration -- we hurt a lot of feelings and we hurt a lot of cultural feelings. so this being said, are we

guilty of something that's not perfect. i think we might be a little bit. >> i really appreciate your perspective. wanted someone from the artistic community for coming on and thank you so much for lending your voice to the conversation. great to have you here. all the best. happy holidays. >> governor, thanks for having me. [ applause ] >> it is very troubling when you think about the fact that this is maybe being pull off the shelf because it offends north korea. my attitude is who cares if north korea gets offended. i don't care if it chaps everybody on planet earth. they might get an understanding that freedom can get messy. it allows people to say outrageous things. i would rather have a country in which people can say outrageous things than in which the government says we can't say anything. i'm a christian. i get offended all the time. people say things constantly about my views, my values. they parody me. they say horrible things. so be it. sometimes, i think it's funny. even when i don't think it's fun

why y, i totally celebrate in america that we have a right to speak. we don't have a right to shut somebody up just because it offends us. i say thank god for the first amendment and freedom. if north korea doesn't like it, they ought to get them some. that's what i wish would happen. >> up next the u.s. is considering putting north korea back on the list of nations that sponsor terrorism? the question is why was it ever taken off that list? and later, where were your holiday gifts made? actor john ratsinberger is here to tell us why it is important to buy american this christmas. [ applause ] ♪ ♪

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well, if you aren't my facebook friend or if you're not following me on twitter, i could say you're a loser but i'm not going to do that. i'm just going to say that it's time to sign up. you can also get information on my annual trip to israel in february. go to mikehuckabee.com for connections and all of the information. we're back discussing the fall out from the cyber attack on sony pictures. i'happy to have you here on the show. let's go right to north korea. do they deserve to be back on the list of nations that sponsor terrorism? >> yeah, of course. i have to say governor your opening monologue was perfect. it was great analysis. of course they should have never been taken off the list. president bush did that in 2008 as you know. in 2010 we saw the north koreans take out a south korea submarine

killing 46 south koreans. later that year we saw north korea, again this is in 2010 shell a small pacific island and it killed four south koreans so we've seen this in 2010, this increase in terrorism from the north koreans, i don't understand why president bush took them off the list in 2008 and certainly we should have put them back on the list at least by 2010 when they demonstrated that they were willing to kill their neighbors just for a military exercise. >> rick, i get the distinct impression that you don't buy this denial on their part that they had nothing to do with the hacking of sony pictures. >> you know, i don't buy it but it's a golden opportunity for the president and for the nsc, for our national security advisor susan rice to come forward with evidence for the world. you know, these types of denials by north korea do play well at

the un. there are some people who will believe this. others, obviously are very skeptical. what we should do is take the opportunity to ruin north korea's credibility here and to really push this issue that they are lying. that they are deceiving. that they are a sponsor of terrorism. i don't know why susan rice or others can't interrupt their holiday vacation in order to really take up the north korean's really soft ball launch and just really hit it out of the ball park and show the world how -- what kind of evidence we have that proves that they are behind this. >> rick, you struck a cord with me when you started talking about the united nations because i just wonder what are we getting out of the united nations. we're spending millions and millions of american taxpayer dollars to be part of it. what are we getting out of it and is it completely worthless anymore?

>> you know governor, i hate to correct you but it is billions, not millions. >> that really ruined my christmas, thank you very much. hey, look, it is a place that must have u.s. leadership. without having the united states stabbed up stand up at the united nations and lead whether it's a budget reform initiative or any action at the security council or inside the general assembly, without u.s. leadership, the un becomes a talk fest. it is a waste of money if we do not have u.s. leadership. and really what we've seen from the obama administration over the last number of years is a withdrawal from the united nations. the obama team gives us rhetoric that the un is indispensable and that we must go through them but if you look at the iran issue, the obama team has taken the iran issue out of the security council and moved it to geneva

and we're just talking about the permanent members, we're not including the entire security council. there's a reason for that. it's because susan rice when she was u.s. ambassador and now samantha powers since she's been the u.s. ambassador to the un both have been a miserable failure when it comes to standing up for the u.s. and leading at the un so the obama united states is deciding we really can't win at the un so let's take it outside of new york but continue this rhetoric that the un is indispensable. i think that they need to be called out for that. >> well, i think you just did. i'm glad you did. rick, thank you so much for being here. great to have you on the show. >> thanks governor. [ applause ] >> the president says he knows that cuba's regime is an oppr s oppressive one but believes that his new approach to normalized relationships with this silent nation will eventually lead to more freedoms for its people. the daughter of a former cuban political prisoner responds to that when we come back. you don't want to miss thihihihi

> my next guest says the policy on insult is a insult to all of the victims of castro's regime. mercedes is now a republican strategist and former director of specialty media for president george w. bush. her husband matt also worked in the white house as the political director. he's now the chairman of the american conservative union. great to have both of you guys here. this is very personal to you because of your dad. why was he in a cuban prison and what did they do to him. >> this was right around 1963 and he had joined a group of counter revolutionaries so their goal was to overflow tthrow theo

regime. my father understood for a long time the ramifications and dangers that came with a communist system. he started to see how the police and government would come into a business, knock on the door and say hand over your keys. this is no longer your business. this is of the state. this happened time and time again. in addition to that they would put spies all around the neighborhoods to check who was behaving and not behaving. the government took control. the castro regime took control of the university and said if you are not with the revolution, you're not allowed to attend the university. at that point when my father joined the counter revolution cause, they had intifiltrators found out and he was incarcerated. you have democrats talking about the torture report. they stripped him naked, put a

bag over his head and shoved him in a small dark room, freezing, freezing cold naked with just a hole would you wouyou would go bathroom and you'd be there for weeks at a time. their only form of survival was to be near each other was it was so cold in that room so again, this is the torture that he endured. he was sentenced for 12 years. he did end up serving the six and again, the conditions were in humane the way they were treated and plus they executed -- my father always tells the story of this young man that he looked straight in the eyes and said am i going to be here tomorrow and he said i don't think so and they executed the man the next day. they always say fidel castro ordered the execution. this is the thing that americans who haven't gone through this or

don't understand how communism works, this is why it is so critical to understand the mentality of these communists and how they have not changed for 54 years. >> it's so powerful when somebody talks about it who has had family in the middle of it. free market people say look at all of these products we're going to get. we're going to really introduce free enterprise to them. so tell me what are we missing here? >> we should say the names the victims. castro should have to make amends. you can't take someone's life back but you can sure give all of the keys to the buildings to the people who fought hard to pay for them. conservatives make a mistake when they think that money and market and trade will start everything. that's wrong. it starts with constitutional rights. when governments uphold them, then people can have prosperity. it cannot go in the reverse

order. europe has had free trade with cuba. it's made no impact on the dismal human rights record. what the president did is horribly wrong. i think the american people see it. the mere fact that he spent 50 minutes on the fact with raoul castro and not talk to the leaders that we have in congress and tell them that this is happening is a disgrace. i think it's important for all of us to understand that if you're not a communist they do not value you. the only person who benefit are going to be those attached to the military and they are the ones and the government. so i think you've got to look at it this way. we go to grocery stores. we buy our food. you're rationed food. you go to a place and they say oh, you know what, your family, you already had one chicken for the month. that's all you're getting because guess what, this government controls the food that you eat. they control how much clothes you're going to have. this is why the cuban people sadly have not been able to rise

up against this government because literally they are just trying to survive. the fact that president obama has just decided to give it all to them or give them more without really any negotiations where it would be you need to make some fundamental, economic and democratic changes and go forth and do this is an insult to our community and insult to my family. >> what's a powerful expression of what it ought to be because there's no economic freedom if there's no freedom of the spirit, freedom of the speech, freedom to own property. freedom to make your own trades and your own way. you've nailed it so brilliantly and beautifully. mercedes and matt. thank you both. what a delight to have you here. i hope people in our government and kron grecongress are listen. i have never met people who loved freedom more, cherished it more than the cuban americans that have met through the years because they understand what it means to be free. i just pray president obama, president, talk to them.

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and the hustle and bustle of christmas shopping, if you stopped to check where all of your gifts are made? huckabee correspondent's checked with some shoppers on the streets of new york city. these ladies have been christmas shopping here in new york. let's see what they bought and where it was made. what's up first? >> i bought a sweater. >> okay. >> it was made in hong kong. >> it was made in taiwan. >> it was made in shrilanka. >> rangers t-shirt, new york hockey team, made in peru. >> because when you think of hockey, peru. >> so did you know santa's workshop was in peru. >> i did not. i learned something new today. >> he says the perfume was made -- >> switzerland. >> made in india. i love new york, christmas

ornament made in china. yes, the bag that tore was made in america. that was manufactured right here in the good old usa. quality. >> all of the products are made from the highest quality genuine leather and it continues to show how to do it but it has nowhere it is made. i suspect vietnam. >> the finest leather in vietnam. >> made in bangladesh. >> made in bangladesh. >> those little kids clothes probably made by -- that's right. marry christmas. >> well, my next guess doesn't like the fact that so many products are being made overseas. wants to raise awareness in

support for american products and workers. joining me now is john ratzenberger. great having you here today. i watched that tape. it is embarrassing to see that so many of the products are made everywhere but the u.s. it's frustrating. it really means that there are a lot of americans who are supporting jobs for everyone but americans. >> yeah. i think people are coming to realize too that the more you shop and get things from overseas, you're putting an american company out of business. that american company used to pay taxes into your local city hall, support your schools, fire department, police department. now those tax dollars come out of your pocket so that thing that you thought was oh, $3 cheaper is actually $10 more expensive over the long hall because you have to offset those taxes. >> you know, we've seen a manufacturing jobs from america just disappear so many places. it used to be that was the ticket to a good, solid middle class income, middle class lifestyle.

we've destroyed the heart and soul of america because we've shipped all of the jobs overseas. what can we do to bring them back? >> well, the first thing we should do thinking as a farmer because it's a long hall, you don't put the seed but we should start reinstating shop classes in schools because there's an awful lot of kids that don't want to be a sowsiologist but they'd love to be a plumber, brick layer, carpenter. i was a carpenter before i became an actor. that's what kept me alive after my college degree. so i told my kids if anybody stands still long enough to listen, have a skill that you can take anywhere because americans, we used to be self-reliant as a country and as individuals. i would like to see us get back to that. >> you know it's also interesting, a lot of sowsiologist majors, but they can't get a part time job making minimum wage but people who are

welders, plumbers, make really good money these days. >> right. they also have the skills to make things. right now in america, the average people of people who can make something whether machinists or cnc operators is 58 years old. and manufacturing, there's 800,000 job as available but there's nobody to fill the jobs so when we buy things in america, we support the companies and the individuals to raise their kids, pay their mortgage and live a good life. you've got -- a gift box. it's called a made in america store. tell us about made in america and the gift box. >> i teamed up with a fellow in upstate new york who started the made in america store. everybody told him he's nuts but now he has got four stores. he's got tour buses and it is usually people from the country that's are listed in your little clip, people from japan and

china and they love everything made in america because they know it is quality. so we came out with these gift boxes, one for men, one for women, one for children. i don't know which one -- this is a kids one. it's got all of those things that i liked to play with as a kid. pick up sticks. >> haven't seen them in years. all of the old people in the audience are saying yeah. yeah. [ applause ] >> slinki. the races at grandma's house down the stairs. >> jelly bellies made in america. >> put together with your hands an tool there. obviously the womans is different. if you go to the stores, there's some bigger items that would be too expensive to ship for christmas. >> i so appreciate what you're doing because i value the people of america who made it great. the people who have skills whether it is to lay brick or to be able to wire a house or to build a house. those are jobs that can't be

outsourced. you're the champion of making that happen. john ratzenberger thank you very much for keeping that message going. >> well. it's the only america we have. we need to make it stronger by getting people to take those jobs. marry christmas to you john. up next, kelly wright and the little rockers were get us into the christmas season with a christmas classic.

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today is anchor, kelly wright. merry christmas to you. it's a fun song we are going to do. what do you love most about christmas? >> just a special time to gather with family and honoring christ. >> it's a great opportunity to have you back. we always love having you. our audience always responds wonderfully when you are here. this is not your last time, just know that. >> thanks. >> we want to introduce you to some of the little rockers. green is on keyboards, and also on keyboards, andre sims, and ferguson is on lead guitar, and wilson on rhythm guitar, and on drums, andrew marsh. and the song we are going to do today is called "this christmas."

♪ i'm going to get to know you better ♪ ♪ trimming the tree, how much fun it's going to be together ♪ ♪ this christmas ♪ our world is filled with cheer ♪ ♪ and beauty

♪ this christmas, every time i look around, your eyes are shining ♪ ♪ this christmas ♪ we're carolling through the night ♪ ♪ this christmas ♪ it will be a very special christmas for you and me ♪ ♪ yeah ♪ ♪

♪ ♪ and we're carolling through the night ♪ ♪ this christmas will be a very special christmas for you and me ♪ ♪ yeah ♪ ♪ merry, merry christmas from the huckabee show ♪ >> kelly wright and the little rockers. we will be back with closing thoughts right after this.

before we go i want to say thank you to colbert. that's elijah wood behind henry kissinger, and then bob costas', and that's me, and then cookie monster. it was quite an array and an amazing combination of about 100 people you have seen on movies, television, news and sports, and thanks to stephen colbert, and i wish him the best as he takes a new late night show on cbs. he's a funny guy and a hit to be around. we want to wish you a very merry christmas and i hope you and your family will be spending time together. i will do all i can to spoil by four grandchildren this week,

and until then, this is mike huckab tuned with justice with judge jeanine. breaking news tonight. two nypd officers are dead after being ambushed and shot execution style in the head while sitting in their patrol car in brooklyn. hello and welcome to justice. i'm judge jeanine piro, thanks for being with us. a sad night for new york city. nypd commissioner bill bratton and new york city mayor bill de blasio holding a press conference an the brutal murders of two police officers moments ago. we have the latest in the newsroom. >> exactly visible and shaken nypd police commissioner mayor