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dictators than with democratically ---benjamin netanyahu, our great britain's david cameron, or australia's tony abbott. he talks with the holocaust denying iranians, lightens up their sanctions and green lights to a nuclear weapon. he goes all out to welcome chinese leaders, then he's busy involving himself in a local police matter in missouri that it took him in the friday's press conference to comment -- north korea was most likely aided and abetted by their handlers, the chinese. by hacking sony and ultimately bringing them to their knees and getting them to pull a movie off their shelf because of threats? an entertainment country and in fact the nation has just given in to terrorists, waved the white flag and said, you win. i can understand why the president hasn't be that

concerninged. some presidents are accused of being too quick with a gun. this president is too quick with a pen and a phone. he calls up dictators and makes really lousy deals, he did it again this week with cuba. it appears that president obama is much smarter than the ten presidents before him. they all thought that caving to cuba and it's assets with -- that violated hiuman rights, imprison its critics. squashed free speech and free enterprise and which limited artistic expression. but not president obama, and he's so confident that he's right and that eisenhower, kennedy, johnson, nixon, ford, carter, reagan, bush, clinton and bush are such duffuses.

instead he established diplomatic and trade agreements and importing of products. some my conservative friends say this is just wonderful. americans will now get cuban cigars, cheap rum and will be able to vacation on cuban beaches, all we have the to do is let a few cuban criminals loose, ignore their human rights violations. it would be nice to have a president who might read and respect the constitution. and have just a little perspective of history. i think a couple of things would be dramatically different. he would understand that the presidency is not a dictatorship or a monarchy. and the role of the letting tiff branch is to provide advice and consent, and he might even discover that making nice with dictators is a story that rarely ends well.

i don't smoke cigars so i can't attest to how wonderful they r but i know that freedom is wonderful. and so are the cuban americans i know who have paid a high price to live in it. in the meantime, i believe that the corrupt castros are blowing smoke in our faces, and that if we don't get a president who respects the separation and the balance of powers, our own country will be going up in smoke. god help us all. on friday, the fbi released a statement -- in his year end press conference, president obama said the government will do everything it can to improve cyber security, and prevent further attacks. >> we will respond, we will respond proportionally and we will respond in a place and time and manner that we choose, it's

not something that i will announce here today at a press conference. >> but now north korea is saying, it wasn't us and is threatening serious consequences if the u.s. doesn't agree to a joint investigation to find the real hackers. then they threw this little dig in at the u.s. here's what they said, and i quote. we have a way to prove that we have nothing to do with the case without resorting to torture as the cia does. shaun henry is a former assistant director at the fbi and president of crowd strike services. shaun joins me now, shaun, greet to have you back on the show. thanks for being here. was this cyber attack on sony, would you call this a wakeup call? >> it certainly should be a wakeup call. this is something that's been going on, quite frankly for about a decade now. there are dozens of countries who have this kind of capability and countries like china and russia and iran are currently in thousands of u.s. companies and they're in our industrial control systems.

when something like this the happens, by north korea against a companilike sony, it should get people's attention, because this is a sign of things to come. >> let's talk credibility a minute. north korea said we didn't have anything to do with that, we're going to help you find who did. i'm thinking maybe oj will join in the search too. because he's so good at looking for people who did things. while north koreans say they didn't have anything to do with it. the president has said, we're just going to have a proportional response. i'm wondering about the credibility of both the north koreas and the president on this, evaluate. do you think the north koreans are behind it? do you agree with the fbi colleagues of yours? and did the president have the right tone, the right answer for this? >> so on your first question, what the north koreans did this or not, the fbi, as well as other members of the intelligence community have done a thorough evaluation on certain, just based on my prior experiences and what i did while i was in the bureau, they have looked at a lot of different

indicators, they have looked at forensic analysis and they found tool and weaponry within the system. we have been tracking north korea for several years, these types of actors and it correlates directly with what we have seen and we believe it is north korea. weather the president's decision and his tone is the right tone, i could tell you that again, the government has known about china, russia, iran, currently in our network, and there have been no statements like the one that we heard here in the last day or so. that causes me some great concern. the u.s. government has put out communications saying that our industrial control systems are compromised. and you think about what happened at sony, which is horrible, and it's tragic for many folks that were there, it's had a great impacts on our organization, imagine if the lights go out, what happens to

our society here in the united states. >> we should be upset that the movie is being pulled off the shelf. by what you just said is part of this that americans really need to think about. a true cyber war could affect everything we do, from being able to access our money at an atm, to the electric grid, to water systems, airports being able to control airplanes coming in and out. should we will more afraid of things that could be done to us in cyberspace than we are somebody just getting across the border with a dirty bomb? >> governor, i thank you you're absolutely right. this is a critical threat to our entire society. the very dna of all of our companies resides electronically on our networks, we're losing intellectual property and development the when you think about the power grid, sewer, water, communications, the very things that allow us to give our lives as americans, they are absolutely at risk. as you said earlier, should this

be a wakeup call? the american public needs to stand up and we need to hold our government officials accountable and we have to make sure that we're communicating to others that if you cross the line, this is what the result ask going to be. >> is there something that the average consumer should be worried about? something he or she should do? what about my identity, my e-mail, is there anything that i'm vulnerable in as a consumer and what do i do about it? >> i think we need to take it a step higher and not look at really the consumer, but actually at the corporations who are maintaining this data within their networks, that they are susceptible. they can hunt within their environment to look for indicators that they're under attack, if they can catch those attacks early on, detective them, they can mitigate the consequences. that would help personally identifiable information from being released and ultimately

protect consumers. but at the corporate level, if they take a higher level, we would be in a much stronger position. >> i hope somebody is listening and will take your advice on that, shaun, great to have you here, thank you for joining us again. >> thank you, governor. president obama said once that we could haven't a society where foreign dictators impose censorship in the u.s. but will the north korean threat lead to a culture where producers and artists sensor themselves out of sheer fear? actor eric roberts on the threats to artistic freedom when we come back. i have a cold with terrible chest congestion. i better take something. theraflu severe cold doesn't treat chest congestion. really? new alka-seltzer plus day powder rushes relief to your worst cold symptoms plus chest congestion. [breath of relief] oh, what a relief it is.

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[ applause ] sony . sony pictures responded to author threats by canceling the release of the movie "the interview." in an interview with deadline hollywood, actor george clooney called out other hollywood executives, even calling them cowards because they didn't stand by sony. people can boycott the movie and not go see the film, they can say they will never see a sony movie again, that's all fine. that's the risk you take for the decision you make, but to say we're going to make you pull it, we're going to sensor you, that's another game. that's playing in dangerous waters. so is artistic freedom taking a beating? this was very troubling to me. i mean i think the first amendment is so sacred in america that the idea that a

foreign government or any government would dictate the content of a movie, even if it's tasteless is repulsive to me. so what do you think about george clooney's attempt to get people to come on board and say, let's not take this sitting down? >> i'm honored to be asked, i'm also under qualified to be asked. i haven't seen the movie. but i know the issue is that the movie is a broad comedy that makes light of the idea of killing someone. well, it also makes fun of someone or several someones and is insult humor in high gear, right? we in america love that. but the question is, does this material propagate hate? that's the only question there is. does it make it okay for us to stereotype and/or disrespect a people, a culture? >> now, eric, understand, now we don't want to create hate, but

people, i think artistically have a right to say things that i find repulsive, people offend me, they insult me. i just accept that as one of the joys of being an american, the fact of being in a free nation, i don't have a right to be unoffended, sometimes i'm going to get offended. that's part of the consequence for being free. is that something we should maybe do a better job of protecting rather than acquiesce to someone who says my feelings got hurt? >> i have an endless sense of humor about everything i am, everything i do, everything i say, that's me. i'm not north korean, i just think that's asking for some discreti discretions, do we make comedies about child abuse and domestic violence? so why is it okay to make a comedy about assassinations when it's not a fictitious character. i think that's the whole bottom

line. if it were a fictitious character, this movie would be out there. >> a few years ago, there was a movie about the assassination of george w. bush. he was in office at the time, he was a sitting president. but i thought it was offensive, as much as i thought it would be a commercial disaster, i didn't want the government of north korea, or especially the government of the united states, i don't want them saying that they're going to put a kibosh on the movie, even if it's something i find objectionable. >> of course you don't. >> how do we get to that balance. >> but we also have to take into consideration that we have another culture that we're talking about, so we have to take that into consideration. i love seth rogan, i love james franko, i love the whole idea of this movie. but we have to take into consideration that we hurt a lot of feelings and we hurt a lot of cultural feelings.

so that being said, are we guilty of something that's not perfect? i think we might be a little bit. >> i wanted somebody from the artistic community to come on and thank you for lending your voice here. happy holidays to you. >> governor, thanks for having me. it is very troubling when i think about the fact that this is maybe being pulled off the shelf because it offends north korea. my idea is who cares if north korea gets offended. i don't care if it chaps everybody -- the first amendment sometimes isn't perfect and it allows people to say outrageous things, but i would rather have a country in which people can say in which the government says we can't say anything. i'm a christian, i get offended all the time. people say things constantly about my views, my values, and they parody me, they say horrible things, so be it.

sometimes think it's funny. even when i don't think it's funny, i totally celebrate that in america we have a right to speak. i say thank god for the first amendment. i say thank god for freedom. all right, up next, the u.s. is considering putting north korea back on the list of nations that sponsor terrorism. the question is why was it ever taken off that list. and later, where was your holiday gifts made? john ratsinger tells us why it's important to buy american this christmas. it's just ordinary fleece

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take out a south korea submarine killing 46 south koreans. later that year we saw north korea, again this is in 2010 shell a small pacific island and it killed four south koreans so we've seen this in 2010, this increase in terrorism from the north koreans, i don't understand why president bush took them off the list in 2008 and certainly we should have put them back on the list at least by 2010 when they demonstrated that they were willing to kill their neighbors just for a military exercise. >> rick, i get the distinct impression that you don't buy this denial on their part that they had nothing to do with the hacking of sony pictures. >> you know, i don't buy it but it's a golden opportunity for the president and for the nsc, for our national security advisor susan rice to come forward with evidence for the world. you know, these types of denials

by north korea do play well at the un. there are some people who will believe this. others, obviously are very skeptical. what we should do is take the opportunity to ruin north korea's credibility here and to really push this issue that they are lying. that they are deceiving. that they are a sponsor of terrorism. i don't know why susan rice or others can't interrupt their holiday vacation in order to really take up the north korean's really soft ball launch and just really hit it out of the ball park and show the world how -- what kind of evidence we have that proves that they are behind this. >> rick, you struck a cord with me when you started talking about the united nations because i just wonder what are we getting out of the united nations. we're spending millions and millions of american taxpayer dollars to be part of it. what are we getting out of it and is it completely worthless anymore?

>> you know governor, i hate to correct you but it is billions, not millions. >> that really ruined my christmas, thank you very much. hey, look, it is a place that must have u.s. leadership. without having the united states stabbed up stand up at the united nations and lead whether it's a budget reform initiative or any action at the security council or inside the general assembly, without u.s. leadership, the un becomes a talk fest. it is a waste of money if we do not have u.s. leadership. and really what we've seen from the obama administration over the last number of years is a withdrawal from the united nations. the obama team gives us rhetoric that the un is indispensable and that we must go through them but if you look at the iran issue, the obama team has taken the iran issue out of the security

council and moved it to geneva and we're just talking about the permanent members, we're not including the entire security council. there's a reason for that. it's because susan rice when she was u.s. ambassador and now samantha powers since she's been the u.s. ambassador to the un both have been a miserable failure when it comes to standing up for the u.s. and leading at the un so the obama united states is deciding we really can't win at the un so let's take it outside of new york but continue this rhetoric that the un is indispensable. i think that they need to be called out for that. >> well, i think you just did. i'm glad you did. rick, thank you so much for being here. great to have you on the show. >> thanks governor. [ applause ] >> the president says he knows that cuba's regime is an oppr s oppressive one but believes that his new approach to normalized relationships with this silent nation will eventually lead to more freedoms for its people. the daughter of a former cuban political prisoner responds to that when we come back. you don't want to miss thihihihi

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live from america's news headquarters, a community and a nation on a morning following the brazen broad daylight killing of two new york city police officers. the ramos family talked to the media earlier today expressing their sadness and pleading for calm and peace. the officers were sitting in their patrol car when the suspect crept u up behind their car and shot several shots into it. he also posted on instagram web page, threatening to kill two police officers as revenge for the deaths of eric garner and michael brown, who sparked

racial riots and protests across the country. my next guest says the president's shift on cuba policy is an insult on all the victims of the castro dictatorship. is all of the victims of castro's regime. mercedes is now a republican strategist and former director of specialty media for president george w. bush. her husband matt also worked in the white house as the political director. he's now the chairman of the american conservative union. great to have both of you guys here. this is very personal to you because of your dad. why was he in a cuban prison and what did they do to him. >> this was right around 1963 and he had joined a group of counter revolutionaries so their goal was to overflow tthrow theo

regime. my father understood for a long time the ramifications and dangers that came with a communist system. he started to see how the police and government would come into a business, knock on the door and say hand over your keys. this is no longer your business. this is of the state. this happened time and time again. in addition to that they would put spies all around the neighborhoods to check who was behaving and not behaving. the government took control. the castro regime took control of the university and said if you are not with the revolution, you're not allowed to attend the university. at that point when my father joined the counter revolution cause, they had intifiltrators found out and he was incarcerated. you have democrats talking about the torture report. they stripped him naked, put a

bag over his head and shoved him in a small dark room, freezing, freezing cold naked with just a hole would you wouyou would go bathroom and you'd be there for weeks at a time. their only form of survival was to be near each other was it was so cold in that room so again, this is the torture that he endured. he was sentenced for 12 years. he did end up serving the six and again, the conditions were in humane the way they were treated and plus they executed -- my father always tells the story of this young man that he looked straight in the eyes and said am i going to be here tomorrow and he said i don't think so and they executed the man the next day. they always say fidel castro ordered the execution. this is the thing that americans who haven't gone through this or

don't understand how communism works, this is why it is so critical to understand the mentality of these communists and how they have not changed for 54 years. >> it's so powerful when somebody talks about it who has had family in the middle of it. free market people say look at all of these products we're going to get. we're going to really introduce free enterprise to them. so tell me what are we missing here? >> we should say the names the victims. castro should have to make amends. you can't take someone's life back but you can sure give all of the keys to the buildings to the people who fought hard to pay for them. conservatives make a mistake when they think that money and market and trade will start everything. that's wrong. it starts with constitutional rights. when governments uphold them, then people can have prosperity. it cannot go in the reverse

order. europe has had free trade with cuba. it's made no impact on the dismal human rights record. what the president did is horribly wrong. i think the american people see it. the mere fact that he spent 50 minutes on the fact with raoul castro and not talk to the leaders that we have in congress and tell them that this is happening is a disgrace. i think it's important for all of us to understand that if you're not a communist they do not value you. the only person who benefit are going to be those attached to the military and they are the ones and the government. so i think you've got to look at it this way. we go to grocery stores. we buy our food. you're rationed food. you go to a place and they say oh, you know what, your family, you already had one chicken for the month. that's all you're getting because guess what, this government controls the food that you eat. they control how much clothes this is why the cuban people sadly have not been able to rise

up against this government because literally they are just trying to survive. the fact that president obama has just decided to give it all to them or give them more without really any negotiations where it would be you need to make some fundamental, economic and democratic changes and go forth and do this is an insult to our community and insult to my family. >> what's a powerful expression of what it ought to be because there's no economic freedom if there's no freedom of the spirit, freedom of the speech, freedom to own property. freedom to make your own trades and your own way. you've nailed it so brilliantly and beautifully. mercedes and matt. thank you both. what a delight to have you here. i hope people in our government and kron grecongress are listen. i have never met people who loved freedom more, cherished it more than the cuban americans that have met through the years because they understand what it means to be free. i just pray president obama, president, talk to them.

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and the hustle and bustle of christmas shopping, if you stopped to check where all of your gifts are made? huckabee correspondent's checked with some shoppers on the streets of new york city. these >> these ladies have been christmas shopping here in new york. lets see what they bought and where it was made. >> i bought a sweater, and it was made in hong kong. >> it was made in taiwan. >> it was made in sri lanka. >> it was made in peru. >> made in peru? >> yes. >> when you think hockey, peru. so did you know santa's workshop was in peru. >> i did not, i learned something new today. >> made in switzerland. >> made in india. >> i love new york, christmas

ornament, made in china. >> oh, nice. >> the bag that tore was made in america. that was manufactured right here in the the good old usa. quality. >> all the products were made from the highest quality genuine leather. it has nowhere it's made. but i suspect vietnam. >> reporter: you suspect vietnam? finest leather in vietnam. >> bangladesh. >> reporter: those little kids clothes probably made by little kids, that's right. that's right. >> merry christmas. >> well, my next guest doesn't like the fact that so many products are being made overseas wants to raise awareness and

support for american products and workers. john ratsingberger, its embarrassing to know that these products were made everywhere but the united states. >> i think people are coming to realize too that the more you shop and get things from overseas, you're putting an american company out of business. that american company used to pay taxes into your local city hall, support your schools, fire department and police department. now those tax dollars come out of your pocket. so the thing that you thought, oh, was $3 cheaper is actually $10 more expensive over the long haul because you have to offset those tangss. >> we have seen american jobs disappear from so many places, it used to be that was the ticket to a good, solid, middle

class income, middle class lifestyle, we have destroyeded the heart and soul of america, because we have shipped all those jobs overseas. >> the first thing we should do, thinking as a farmer, because it's a long haul, you don't just put the seed in and harvest the next day, obviously. but we should start reinstating shop classes inial schools because there's an awful lot of kids that don't want to be a sociologist, but they would love to be a plumber, bricklayer, carpenter. i was a carpenter before i became an actor. that's what kept me alive after my college degree. so i told my kids and anybody who stands still long enough to listen, have a skill that you can take anywhere. because americans, we used to be self reliant, as a country and as individuals. i would like to see us get back to that. >> a lot of sociology majors, they can't get a part-time job making minimum wage, but people

who are welders, preliminariers, making really good money these days. >> they also have the skills to make things. the average machine operator is 58 years old and in manufacturing, there's 800,000 jobs available in construction, over 2 million jobs. but there's nobody to fill those jobs. so when we buy things made in america, we support those companies, we support the individuals, to pay their rent, pay their mortgage, and live a good life. >> you've got a gift box, it's called a made in america store. tell us about made in america. >> i teamed one a fellow named mark andal. everybody said he was nuts, now he's got four stores. usually those people that were listed in your little clip, people from japan, people from

china and they love anything made in america because they know it's quality. so we came out with these gift boxes, one more men, one more women, one for children. this is a kid's one. but it had all those things that i liked to play with when i was a kid. >> pickup sticks, i haven't seen them for years. >> slinky, jelly bellies. made in america. >> things you can put together with your hands and it's definitely some tools there and obviously the woman's is different. but if you go to the stores, there's some bigger items that would be too expensive to ship for christmas. >> i so appreciate what you're doing because i value the people of america who made it great, the people who had skills, whether it's to lay brick, to wire a house or to build a

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today is anchor, kelly wright. merry christmas to you. it's a fun song we are going to do. what do you love most about christmas? >> just a special time to gather with family and honoring christ. >> it's a great opportunity to have you back. we always love having you. our audience always responds wonderfully when you are here. this is not your last time, just know that. >> thanks. >> we want to introduce you to some of the little rockers. green is on keyboards, and also on keyboards, andre sims, and ferguson is on lead guitar, and wilson on rhythm guitar, and on drums, andrew marsh. and the song we are going to do today is called "this christmas."

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♪ ♪ and we're carolling through the night ♪ ♪ this christmas will be a very special christmas for you and me ♪ ♪ yeah ♪ ♪ merry, merry christmas from the huckabee show ♪ >> kelly wright and the little rockers. we will be back with closing thoughts right after this.

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week. we will be back with ara specia show. this is mike huckabee from new york good night and god bless stay tuned for "justice with judge nan nee janeane." >> there's blood on many hands tonight. th there is blood on the hands on the steps of city hall, in the office of the mayor. >> hello and welcome to "justice. i am judge jeanine pirro. thanks for being with us on this special edition of "justice. tonight there is brood on the steps of new york city hall. that blood spreads to the s citadel of power in the united states from the justice department to the white house. that blood from two men marked for death assassinated in a predictable almost inevitable response to a national