very good friends. >> thank you, thank you, thank you. >> merry christmas to you as well. >> to you and everybody as well. >> the nypd is now dealing with death threats. the city's finest are on high alert and at the same time in mourning, well, all the country is mourning their loss, all this following the assassinations of police officers rafael ramos and wen wenjian liu. officer ramos being remembered at a wake today in queens. his funeral is set for tomorrow. arrangements for liu have yet to be announced, we'll report them when they are. and with protests still going on in new york city, the nypd is monitoring, as i mentioned, an uptick in threats against police. several arrests already made including one man. he was reportedly heard saying he's going to kill another officer. and demonstrations against police violence are going on across the nation. this was the scene in oakland, california, last night. windows smashed, businesses

looted, even a christmas tree vandalized. and not far from ferguson, missouri, protests are still going on in the town of berkeley, missouri, after a white police officer killed a black teenager who says he was pointing a gun at him. you can see all of this, though, on surveillance video for himself as he raises his arm up. you can go and google that and watch for yourself. now the lawyer for the officer's reportedly suggesting his client may have been set up, ambushed. all of this going on as new york city gets ready to say a final farewell to one of those two officers killed in an ambush. david lee mill or has more. david lee? >> reporter: harris, just about two hours' time, the wake is going to get under way at the church located right behind me. we expect any moment now the hearse is going to arrive. let me set the scene for you here in queens, new york. this is myrtle avenue, some

three miles from where the actual shooting took place. you can see there is blue ribbon along the street, people lined up outside the church. you can see some scaffolding in place. they are preparing to put a large screen television monitor out here so people can watch a memorial service that will take place at 7:00 this evening. the actual church can hold only 850 people. authorities are expecting as many as 25,000 police officers from all around the united states and canada to attend the wake, the memorial service today and the funeral tomorrow. obviously, they all cannot be accommodated, but there is going to be a strong show of solidarity. in another development just a short time ago, harris, a news conference was held by the steven stiller tunnel to towers foundation. this is an organization that was founded after 9/11 in order to help first responders in need.

at that news conference attended by the widow and the parents of officer liu, it was announced that contributions are going to be taken to help pay the mortgages, pay off the homes of the two slain officers. former new york mayor rudy giuliani talked about the contributions as well as the sacrifices of the two men. listen. >> why did these men die? they died for us. they died for you, and they died for me so that last night at christmas we could go to bed with our children safe. >> reporter: and as the nypd prepares to bury its dead, as you pointed out, the threats to the nypd continue. just a short time ago authorities searched a home here in queens. inside they found illegal weapons, they also found bulletproof vests. that home was surgeried after a tipster -- searched after a

tipster said he overheard someone on a cell phone say, quote, "i'm going to kill another cop." now the person allegedly on that phone has been charged with a number of charges including felony weapons possession. key at this hour, now being held behind bars in lieu of half a million dollars' bail. harris? >> david lee miller with the latest on the situation, thank you very much. now let's bring it back to the couch. a couple things that are happening that really speak to issue of where we've gotten to right now is what played out in missouri that i talked about. and by the way, there's that videotape. people can see it for themselves. the mayor of that city is sayint look anything like what happened in ferguson, and you can make that judgment for yourself with a whole lot of evidence there that your eyes can see. tony, i want to come to you and get where we are in this whole thing. >> we've allowed this ambiguity to occur, that cops are not the good guys. and that really is something that started at the very top.

the difference between these racial incidents or the kind of surrounding noise around these incidents which are made to be racial is the president of the united states, the attorney general of the united states, the mayor of new york city empowered people like al sharpton and other ab tag nist -- antagonists who have always profiteered with these to be spokespeople. that's where we've gone wrong. we've allowed way too much ambiguity to occur around whether or not the cops are the good guys, and that has to change as a result of what we've seen here in new york. >> you know, julie, is it time for this president to step away from some of the voices that we know have divided this nation in terms of race like reverend al sharpton? his kind of being at the's right hand, is it time for the president to step down a different road? we know he's sending vice president joe biden to the funeral of officer ramos. your thoughts. >> first and foremost, i am not a fan of al sharpton, and i

don't understand why he has a role to play either. bill: de blasio or barack obama. the president himself is an american. he can speak to this issue just as well as al sharpton. what makes no sense to me is why he's, why he's subcontracting this out to al sharpton. now, i don't know who he speaks for except for al sharpton. [laughter] there may be a group of people, i just haven't met them. but, look, to tony's point, most cops, 99.9% of police officers are good people. but there are a few bad apples out there, and i think if we don't acknowledge that the problem does exist, if we don't acknowledge that racial profiling does exist among a very small minority, what that's going to result in is closing your eyes to a real problem. >> and if that's the message, it's somewhat been i hijacked by everything that's gone on. jedediah? >> the tendency is to treat all of these situations like they're

the same just because they're all on the front page at the same time, and some have injected race into all of them. these are very different. the brown case, the garner case, all different circumstances. the protests are different. you can't label anything. all of these investigations deserve proper time and attention individually before media or anyone rushes to judgment. so i think that's key also. look at who these people are. you can't turn a gun on a police officer and not expect that police officer to defend himself or herself. so i think we need to really remember that and treat these individually as we try to figure out what's downing on in this country. >> nicole, i follow fox news contributor brit hume, and he tweeted out a couple days ago millions in the u.s. regularly thank u.s. military members for keeping us safe, maybe it's time to do the same for our cops. retweet if you agree. >> that is so great. as a matter of fact, one of the mornings down on wall street, you know, i am a patriot. i thank our servicemen and women every single day, hung an

ornament on our tree with the flag and gave a little speech to our kids. i work in one of the places that is a scary place, right? it could be a place that people are interested in being involved. there's so many people out there, police officers. i was out there thanking them and thanking them for them protecting all of the people here in the u.s. and we've had so many problems here in america, abroad, at home. when i look at all that's been going on, all the tensions that have been escalating, it makes me so sad and so infuriated at the same time. and every headline that comes out only puts fuel on the fire. and i really need -- nothing really good has come out of this except for mayor de blasio who's now slowly changing his rhetoric a little bit -- >> you know what -- >> when he first came out, some of these politicians are really making things so much worse instead of better. >> yeah. >> put us as one, we are one nation, and that's the part that's been making me very

upset. >> you know, jedediah, it's reminiscent of the early days of the occupy movement. a lot of people showing up, people in the streets, oh, there's something going on. but the message was not coherent. >> these politicians have an obligation. this country needs leadership right now, and they have an obligation -- >> should the president be there on saturday? >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> and speaking of president obama, we need to shift over to afghanistan because he is addressing, president obama right now, is addressing u.s. troops -- [laughter] guys, yesterday at a marine corps base in hawaii. the president saying america is safer after 13 years of war in afghanistan, adding that the country will no longer be the source of terrorist attacks. his comments come just days before the u.s. combat mission in afghanistan ens. ends. >> this is an important year. we've been in continuous war now for almost 13 years, over 13 years, and next week we will be ending our combat mission in afghanistan. afghanistan has a chance to

rebuild its own country. we are safer. it's not going to be a source of terrorist attacks again. >> some are doubting how safe the country will be and whether it will again become a home for terrorists just like what happened in iraq. julie, this is a concern for people, you know? the president out there saying it's not going to be a source of terrorism, terrorist attacks again. that's a pretty bold statement. i'm curious as to why he would say that when you really don't know what can happen in the future. >> i'm not sure why he would say that. i spoke to an admirable maybe two or -- admiral two or three years ago, and he said there was only one certainty in afghanistan, we're going to pull out, and the taliban will stay. and he, you know, and that was something that always stuck with me. we -- no more than we've eradicated the taliban in place like pakistan which we've never occupied. so i don't know why he would say that. my concern is how long are you going to subject american troops

to staying? are we going to be an occupying force for another generation? that, to me, is unrealistic. we cannot continue to have an overseas presence in all these countries that are potentially a threat. >> many have argued if you don't leave enough of a stabilizing force, you've basically undone all the good that we have done, falls by the wayside because we're not leaving enough of a force to keep that success moving forward. do you agree with john mccain? >> i do. and that was the problem in iraq. we never negotiated the status of forces agreement properly, we never left enough troops behind. when withdrawal is the objective, chaos ensues, and that's why we're back there now having to fight isis. this is a president when speaking to these military officers and troops who has only a 15% approval rating among the military according to the latest poll. the reason is because they don't believe him. there's a lack of credibility for what he says to be correct, and this is our president who said that isis back in january was the jv of terrorist groups. he has completely misread the

middle east. julie's absolutely right about filling the vacuum of the american troops leaving afghanistan. and there's a bigger problem when america stops playing a global role as leaders. you know what the truth is? we do have to leave troops behind. it's not an occupying force, it's a peace-keeping force. >> well, we are leaving 10,000 behind. >> all over the world. >> well, a couple things. what you're pointing to is the military times survey, it wasn't actually a poll, but it was a survey among readers, as i understood it. afghanistan has such a bizarre history. everybody from alexander the great to again kiss khan has wanted to take over that land. it's been a huge place where military campaigns have laid it to waste many times in history. you're right, the taliban isn't going anywhere. look at what happened in pakistan last week, the taliban is not really fettered by us. this is interesting what we're leaving behind. we spent reportedly $200 million on a u.s. aid project aimed at teaching the troops that we're

leaving behind to read. >> right. >> so yet 50% of them reportedly cannot read. so you have people on the front lines now who are going to take over for our guys fighting the taliban who can't even put an enemy plan together on paper with each other. >> yep. and the president is saying, nicole, that the world is safer. americans when they voted at the midterm elections, they're saying, no, we're not. they're not buying it. >> exactly. do they really feel safer? how are they really gauging they've had success in afghanistan? how do we know it doesn't turn into iraq? how do we know they don't come right back? and is we've had so many incidents recently, pakistan, france and the like. >> be hopefully, our military feel supported through all this. with eyes already on the 2016 presidential election, hillary clinton looks to be making a sharp left on the road to the white house as massachusetts senator elizabeth warren appears to be a democratic party favorite. plus, republican jeb bush appears to be more serious about a run for president. you'll hear what he did that could signal he is all in.

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queens where we're expecting a wake to be begin at two p.m. eastern. and this will go on for several hours, 2-7 p.m. here on the east coast, and then the memorial from 7-9. as david lee miller, who is our reporter there this afternoon for fox news, was reporting at the top of the hour on "outnumbered," some 25,000 of our finest here in this area want to attend this funeral, and to best accommodate them, these stores will remain open for several hours today. the funeral for officer ramos is set for tomorrow. we do know that the vice president, joe biden, is scheduled to be there. right now they're putting the casket in place, and in about an hour and 45 minutes, you'll see a lot of nypd blue flow through those doors. and already off screen what you can't see -- and i don't know if we can take a wider shot because it is happening now -- people are starting to gather. there it is, there's our live shot, gather outside that church in queens getting ready to go in

and memorialize rafael ramos, executed by a man who was angry about what's happening across the country in his point of view, if you will, with relationships between police officers and people of color in the community. nevertheless, the whole nation mourns. no matter what anybody feels about this situation, this was an attack on the finest nypd blue. we keep them in our prayers. as this story makes news, we'll bring it back to you. julie? >> well, welcome back to "outnumbered." hillary clinton appears to be making a sharp left turn on the road to the white house. the former secretary of state is said to be work hard to gain support among her fellow liberals, reportedly aligning herself with president obama on a range of issues. all this while massachusetts senator elizabeth warren is rising to the surface in her party's more progressive wing. so, tony, i will actually start with you because you, my friend, are also a political professional. >> thank you. >> you're welcome.

[laughter] i would actually argue having done one or two campaigns in my life that hillary clinton would benefit from a pray mare. >> oh, yeah. >> and the reason i say that is because i think the primary between hillary and obama made him a much stronger general election candidate and the fact that he doesn't have one last time made him a really weak debater. so what do you think of that? >> well, i agree with your premise, definitely, that a good primary, properly run, can make the emerging candidate stronger if they, obviously, are not beat up like, for example, mitt romney was from the bain capital attacks which started from republicans. that's number i one. look, i think the biggest thing that's developed in the past week is that the inevitability argument is in complete erosion. i'll tell you why. when you see the amount of people on the progressive left rushing to try to recruit elizabeth warren, 300 former

obama operatives starting ready for elizabeth, when you have a million dollars' pledge from moveon.org, a known leftist group, to try to get elizabeth warren in this case, you can see the dissatisfaction that hillary will not be obama enough. remember, is she running for bill clinton's third term or barack barack obama's third term? >> she is 40 or 50 points above elizabeth warren who by the way, has said she's not running. what do you think of tony's premise? it seems like not enough people subscribe to your point of view that they're not ready for hillary -- >> i think somebody better tell some members about democrat party about your premise. [laughter] >> i just shared it. >> former vermont governor howard dean said that, you know, he's already put his weight behind hillary clinton, but democracy for america, the progressive organization founded by him, is putting $250,000 in a joint effort to try to get people to back elizabeth warren.

i think that actually speaks to the fracture in this party. he's still attached to that group, he's already put his weight behind hillary clinton. you can't guess, i mean, you can't possibly think he doesn't know that democracy for america is -- >> i i think his brother may run the organization. >> right? >> so he knows. i don't know, what do you think of her viability -- >> joe biden, joe biden is beating elizabeth warren in polling right now. joe biden. so elizabeth warren does not have widespread appeal -- >> or recognition. >> yeah. >> even if she gets recognition, this is a champion of welfare distribution, she's taken on -- she is a far-left advocate. academics in ivy league schools will love her, people on the far left will love her, middle of the road -- >> nicole, you work on wall street every day. the street loves hillary clinton. is that going to hurt some of te hillary clinton, i think a lot of guys on the street are leaning to the other side. that being said, you have

elizabeth warren, the new darling, right? you have hillary, whose biggest asset is bill clinton, and she still has benghazi and health care and all that. i think it'd be exciting if they get in there and push elizabeth warren forward and battle -- >> fight it out. >> meanwhile -- >> bring it on! >> meanwhile, lest you don't think we're fair and balanced -- [laughter] another sign former florida governor jeb bush is serious about a 2016 run for president. he's now reportedly stepping down from the board of a health care company. this after stepping down from his role as an adviser to barclays capital. you'll remember just recently bush announced over twitter he's exploring a run for the white house. so, harris, let me go to you. that company that he stepped down from made an awful lot of money off obamacare. is that going to -- excuse me, whoa. jeb bush if he runs -- [laughter] >> there's the problem. [inaudible conversations] >> i i think that was a mistake. [laughter] [inaudible conversations] >> would you allow me to do something? can i yield my time to you with

this question? >> wow. >> was i really want to know the answer to this. >> okay. >> i'm very curious. we saw barack obama come onto the scene, and is it considered bad form to run against a candidate that already has the graf that, that -- gravitas, that already has the legacy? that would have been hillary clinton then. this time around it's going to to be a member of the bush family, jeb bush potentially. right? so whoever runs against that person, does it pain democrats to see that because they know that person could possibly -- especially if there's a fracture in your party. >> i actually think george bush, excuse me, i keep saying that, jeb bush -- >> my point out. >> i promise, not on purpose. jeb bush in a general election would be a very strong candidate. i think he's going to have a tough time getting through a primary precisely because of his name -- >> right. >> and also because people are saying enough of the dynastics -- >> even if people can't figure out if they want warren or hillary? >> well, i think they know they want hillary, because she's 40 or 50 points up.

don't forget, he was eight years ago -- >> right, exactly. >> we could devote an entire program to is jeb bush really conservative, is he going to win the primary. the thing that impresses me is the most is he's willing to fight for it. a lot of people thought he was going to be this person to kind of, you know, oh, maybe i'll want to run for president. i really want to run for president, maybe if someone drafted me, he dove right into it. he was one of first republicans who actually put it out there and said, look, i'm ready to -- >> that's because we all knew he was going to run. we all knew he was going to run. >> was it fair? i don't think that's necessarily the case. >> the issues that, and some of the guys on wall street talk about it, they love the bush family top to bottom, that he needs to step away from some of the per sued issues -- iraq, the economy in 2007, 2008. those are going to be some of the things that are problematic. great candidate, great resumé, and he stepped down from the tenet health care, you were talking about, and barclays as whale.

>> having to address issues that are not of their own making. shoppers taking advantage of postchristmas sales, but early tallies show they didn't turn out before the holidays. we try to figure out why that might be. plus, sony releasing "the interview," yea, in theaters and online at the same time. the movie, a reported first, by a bigtime studio. could this change the future of the film industry as we know it? we'll discuss.

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♪ >> welcome back to "outnumbered." we're you're watching us on this we're you're watching us on this . the rush is on to return those holiday gifts. shop es doesn't look like they showed up in force on final days of christmas suggesting that the retailers will meet the industry forecast of the a season marked by deep discounts. however online retailers may have a reason to celebrate. early tallies from the season on web sales appeared to match forecasts for 16% growth. certainly looks a lot of you were shopping online rather than doing store traffic and hoofing it into the malls and standing in big lines, harris. what do you attribute it to? the fact that the brick-and-mortar, we're talking about when you go to the actual

store, those may just barely meet expectations of growth, just barely squeeze it out? >> i have two things, two little pieces. if i many driving to the mall you have to be nice to me when i get there? i will need a performance of a smile. you're glad to see me i made the trek n the days of just poor customer service are over, right? the other thing is, so i online hard to hide gifts. they show up in huge boxes. wow. those are my two. >> it is true. >> tony, your thoughts. >> i was at best buy the night before christmas eve and it was nearly empty. it was one of the amazing experiences. by the way not complaining about that. it was a real quick in and out. i had a lot of things to get. what occurred to me we're facing a generation of shoppers who probably never really gone into a store. they're used to buying online and you know what? with the ease of it, the fact that it is so convenient it is

hard to imagine how they are going to be able to keep up. when you get messages on an app or whatever, 50%, off. next day it is 75% off. you have to wonder to yourself how desperate are the big box stores to get before they win back this. >> wall street we're always talking about jobs, the economy, the labor force participation rate obviously still near 30-year lows. what do you think, jedediah, about the fact people got jobs and they did, we did have record hiring this year since 1999 but getting jobs part time or under what they have? the economy is tough. >> great gasoline prices but was that enough to help people during the holidays? >> you can go online and a lot of retailers are running sales so much earlier. i was talking to my friend, by thanksgiving all of my shop something done. you don't see the rush when i was younger. my mom, dad, family used to rush to the store. christmas eve they were buying gifts. that doesn't happen anymore

people were done already. when money is tight, you do online shopping. what are the best deals and get that out of the way really early. >> the best deal is today, after you're done watching some favorite shows on fox. apple 6 was a top seller, anything "frozen" did well and winter apparel. what do you think about the real disconnect between brick and mortar? fewer people are walking through the stores. >> i grew up in new jersey, harris, home of the mall. can not pay me enough money to go into a mall again. i boughtering online. a little stratterry i sent everything to my office. >> look at you. >> problem solved, harris. >> black friday, cyber monday, super saturday, i was busted with the gift wrapping downstairs. my kid found wrapping. i said that is not my wrapping paper. >> real quickly, big stores are

actually doing pretty well this season in terms how they're doing on wall street. >> big stores, some retailers really came back late in the game but ultimately we've seen the growth, slower growth. savings, american savings dropped to an left-month low. what are people doing, digging back into the savings or not saveings? that makes me a little worried. some economic news and it has been good and we're growing since the great recession, is it slowing? not only here at home but abroad. you're seeing slower growth. >> americans packing more than 300 theaters on christmas day to see "the interview." it grossed a million dollars at the box office. sony canceled the initial release due to threats 9/11 attacks by hackers linked to hackers. movie-goers treating it as act of patriotism. >> part of it, freedom and speech, all the bickering back

and for the. >> we wanted to see it and when i saw it coming out i bought a ticket last night first chance i got and i want to customer freedom of speech. i want to come see it. >> the movie was released on time for viewing at the same time on variety of platforms including google and. they have done that with documentaries and other smaller films. was this in fact a victory for free speech? i think it is this. it is very merry christmas for sony entenantment. >> they stumbled their way here by the way. attacks they got from everybody universally, including the president for end of the year press conference for how badly they bungled the whole handling of "the interview." the movie itself once said to be pretty bad turns out to be pretty good. >> i've seen it. it is hilarious. it is judd apple to you. and crude and potty humor.

if the president were that concerned about how things are rolling out, take some of the calls i were reading not answered? one of his senior advisors took calls from sony. why know, take a more involved role in a response. >> i'm not terribly surprised. he wanted to get on tv to say what we need to do. he didn't want to get too involved. these are private companies. so you should have an issue should the government be too involved in this? should this be something sony handle alone. >> but 9/11 style attacks. >> that should be a security concern. the president need to come on and say this is not security concern the we have this. we're in the background. we got it covered. don't worry, sony do what you need to do. it was a testament to patriotism. a way for americans to say, don't challenge us. we will stand up for free speech. even if this is movie we would ordinarily gone out and see we'll go out and see it. >> that is what a lot of people

are saying they were actually going to see the film. >> this will be a blockbuster hit, right? it is pretty unbelievable. we're not listening to dictators, fundamentalist terrorists nobody. if we want to watch this and seth rogan and james franco came out, there was jess we fake fun of a lot of different things. we have fun. >> chums like me is exactly who sony was counting on. i actually downloaded movie with zero of intention of watching it. i will do the patriotic movie, i spent six bucks. i didn't see it. >> you paid 5.99? >> that is what patriot i am, i spent the money to make a point. >> one of my favorite lines, the north korea haters because they hate us. not ruining it. >> i like it. >> don't forget playstation and xbox, only thing that seemed, nothing happened. there was no big violent occurrence. nothing happened. only playstation and sony,

sony playstation 4 and microsoft xbox you were able to download the movie didn't have connection activity. but that was hit -- connect tivity. >> thank the lord. lights went out in one theater? jersey and people kind of freaked out. people were okay. it was transformer in the neighborhood. the owner told everybody can come back and watch for free. >> have a watch party. >> come on over, everybody, my house. >> because they hate us. anyway a couple of transit police in one major city are making a special christmas delivery after this little bundle of joy decided hey, i can't wait to see daylight, dude. >> plus want a job driving in the president's motorcade? it could be yours for the taking. what? no experience necessary. we're not kidding. how does that happen? dad, i know i haven't said this often enough, but thank you. thank you mom for protecting my future.

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♪ >> welcome back to "outnumbered." well the presidential motorcade is supposed to filled with secret service agents protecting our commander-in-chief at a time when he is possibly the most vulnerable right? think again, according to "the new york times" this 24-year-old grad student was a volunteer driver when president obama was in san francisco for a fund-raiser this fall. she later posted these photos of herself on facebook. the obvious problem? no training. no experience. and possibly the scariest part of all, she told reporters she had no clue what to do in an emergency. but she is not alone. the agency apparently allowed volunteers to do this since the 1980s. all of this following a string of security failures, including high-profile fence-jumping incident back in september. how can the secret service still allow this? harris, this is insane to me, anyone who is in charge of any aspect of presidential security, i don't care where you are in that motorcade has no reallying russ training.

are you as alarmed by this as i am? >> i am alarmed but i'm surprised that i don't think i am. we're looking at a situation where this young woman also didn't have the common sense not to tell anybody. this is one thing if you don't know something and confirm stupidity by opening your mouth. it is really frightening. but i don't know that we should be all that concerned with what is gone on with this agency though. you had a situation where you had prostitution, suspected prostitution going on and some of the agents were exposed in that way and involved in that. it is -- >> i have actually assigned these out during the clinton administration i worked for a member congress and president and first lady, i forgot which one, showed up, is there somebody you want driving press van or driving some sort of van. give it doing poor guy with case work, doesn't see a light of day and you say you want to do something nice and go in the presidential motorcade.

god forbid somebody attacks motorcade, i don't want to name any names, the poor guy is still alive this is not a rocket scientist. this is what they do. i agree actually, really troubling. i never really thought about it this this story but it's true. >> post-9/11 do we not have more heightened vigilance to the fact we're vulnerable to different style of attacks, number one? number, two don't we have other professionals who don't work for the secret service do this on voluntary basis? law enforcement perhaps? private contracting group? something along those lines. this is one of those situations when you really think about it, are we really that stupid. i'm glad this girl who did it was being silly and foolish posting pictures. what if this was somebody with really bad designs. >> that is interesting -- >> hard to figure that. >> i am appalled. i can not believe that the president of the united states has this nice young lady, natalie, tyson, 24 years old, posting her pictures on social

media. standing in front of the limo, the beast. great, good for you. i'm really happy for her. she is having a great time. this is not a party. this is not a postcollege party. this is the president of the states and have danica patrick or somebody -- >> i'm a fan of that. >> she doesn't even know how to drive, gas brake, gas brake, apologizing to reporters in the van. i would like to see somebody with a security background or maybe ex-cops or something like that could step up to the plate in an emergency. >> making it something thaw earn the right to do you know? so you could woman from that pedigree of protection services. can we pop up the picture back up? did you see what she was wearing. i'm not picking an her, the one with the pink dress and secret service agents. take a clue from the people around you. they are hooked up. they have ifbs in their ears. they're listening to each other. they're able to respond. what is she doing?

>> how inconsequential you must feel if you're a staffer or journalist driven around by this person? your protection isn't that important. we'll throw -- >> i'm sure she is sweet. nicole, i'm sure she is very nice person. >> doing it since the late 1980s. doing it since the '80s i get it. not the way to go. >> cheaper? you should pay to have the privilege. >> that is a fund-raiser if i ever heard one. pay to drive. >> think about this for a second what you're advertising to the world. the people who may potentially want to do some damage and cause harm, now they know. now they know. >> why not present a picture there are top-notch security front to back. everyone is fully trained. don't mess with us. seems like a problem. >> having said this there is top november notch security front to back. just because somebody is driving this van doesn't mean they're not surrounded. secret service doesn't inspire confidence either. there is top-notch security having participated.

>> well, new details on the va scandalcoming up. how long top staffers knew about patient backlogs at the veterans affairs hospital in phoenix. fighting rude behaviors on the subway. the campaign to put a stop to so-called man spreading. is it really that bad? >> yeah. ♪soft holiday music ]♪

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♪ >> i may be "outnumbered" but it is now my turn with this story. a knew crusade on r against what some call a. taking up two, sometimes three seats on the subway. starting next month, the mta is launching a mta to put a stop to it and other bad manners. expect to see posters like this one. dude, stop the spread, please. it is a space issue. chicago is considering a similar campaign. this is issue i personally do not have. >> oh. >> i'm very proud to say, can think of several other male behaviors on subway more offensive. that being said, julie you are worried about this we talked about this off-line. talk to me. >> i got to tell you i ride the

subway all day long. i do. this is such a pet peeve of mine. mta, i know you never hear me say this, thank you. thank you for addressing this is crime against all of us. these guys are sitting there. the subway is mob scene. they're manspreading. taking up two or three seats. >> this is how we sit in the subway like this, while some guy is sitting there taking up two seats next to me and completely crowding me snoop logistical issue, you don't like the fact that they take up so much space. one of the arguments i read, it also almost rude and seems they're exposing themselves. >> it is gross. the sit like a gentleman. take up a little less space. if somebody wants to relax i will not criticize other people. you want to sit there and spread, i'm okay with it. if a little old lady come on, i seen people with the spread and stand up what prompts them to, they have common courtesy and lady comes up and give her the

seat but at the same time they have no problem 10 seconds ago and spreading it and taking up whole thing. when i get on the jitney to go out to long island. >> the hamptons. >> from manhattan, to long island, a bus, a train, why does the woman have to put her bag on the other seat? am i so intimidating? >> because male subway riding population message from nicole, sit like a gentleman. >> common courtesy. >> i live in jersey. not rolling in the ham tons as nicole. i will say this, when you sat down i want people to see my socks, should i spread? i call you out? i'm going to call you out. >> i put the nice red sox on. for all of you. >> spread arms wide. making himself -- >> like this. >> he was dropping the mic, letting him know. >> don't see me spread out on the subway like on top of a baby grand. some of that stuff we don't need to see it. >> one time i saw you on subway

you sat like that, jedediah. very elegantly. >> not a subway car. don't eat there. it is not a dining room. hold on to the polls so that -- >> nicole is -- >> nicole and i are doing festivus next year on subway theket. >> we got to move on. this is great etiquette but we have to move on. electing more women to congress doesn't mean more bipartisan hip in d.c. why women are set to fight more in congress than men. it's just that i'm worried about you know "hidden things..." ok, why's that? no hidden fees, from the bank where no branches equals great rates.

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and not so willing to give and take. >> i am a girl's girl and support my girls in everything they are doing. however, they did a study and they showed women in politics and more than a hundred women in the senate and congress now. that is if it is louis versa linda. they were more mad at the issue if it was linda v linda. >> and don't confuse. you have to be nuts to go in. that and the problem is with democratic women. >> tony. >> that was with the exception of me. if you for politics, you can't use gender stereotypes except political stereotypes. >> it is a battle. >> they should have things they

agree on. >> here on the couch you were outnumbered and you held your own. >> long- time friends and new friends. >> we'll be back with the tv version of us on monday. "happening now" starts now. ♪ one of the new york city police officers executed as he sat in the patrol car is remembered by friends, family and complete strangers of a grateful city. welcome to "happening now". thank you for being with us the day after christmas. i am leland viter in for jon scott. >> and i molly line. those who loved ramos will gather to remember him. police all over the country are expected to attend his wake. vice-president joe biden