hi, everyone. good morning. today is sunday, the 28th of december, 2014. i'm anna coy man. we begin with a fox news alert. a massive search underway for a missing asian plane. we have details on the pilot's last communication. instead of the word arise, a waiting message of see counter. we'll see who was on that flight. and the airbus 320 is one of the most popular planes here in the united states, plus what else do we know about the safety record and could you be boarding one today? "fox & friends" starts right now.

hi, everyone. we'll start with the fox news alert, a plane packed with people goes missing over the java sea. air traffic control losing flight with airasia 8501 en route to singapore. at this hour a frantic search underway. >> joining us on the phone is david piper live in thailand. david, what can you tell us? >> reporter: yes, good morning. the search right now is continuing for the plane. they are talking to air traffic controllers that it lost contact with seven hours ago. it had 52 passengers and crew on board. it was an hour into the three-hour journey to singapore when it disappeared from the radar screen. the search and rescue planes are now looking for it in the java

sea. air asia says despite losing touch with 8501 they demanded the flight path due to bad weather. and the pilots asked them to climb to 38,000 to avoid thick cloud. no distress call was recorded from the crew. anxious relatives have gathered at the singapore airport for news on the plane. tony hernandez is currently on the way to surabaya where many of the passengers were from. air asia has never lost a plane before, but the national carrier has lost two. mh-370 that disappeared and mh-17 that disappeared over the ukraine. >> david piper, thank you so much for that. the pilot on the missing asia plane cited strong

thunderstorms as the reason for climbing altitude. this is a look at the radar picture at the time the plane disappeared. rick reichmuth is joining us. rick, do we have any idea number one, obviously what role weather plays? that may be early, but give us a sense of what it was like over the java sea 12 hours ago. >> the first thing you want to do is rule weather out. and question not rule weather out in this one. there was a lot of weather going on. the point as to where the plane was flying over the java sea. this is the satellite image. you can see all the dark reds are heavier clouds. those are clouds that are higher up. and that's why he was saying he wanted to climb to a higher elevation. but that's what we have going on right here. it is rainy season across indonesia and malaysia. so they are used to that but you get these storms and you have to fly around them or delay your flight or something like that. clearly, there were storms in the area of the flight path at

the time this took off. right there singapore where he was going to flying primarily flying over the ocean into the java sea. a little island of land here but open ocean with all the storms going on, hard to imagine, guys that weather did not play a part in this. you don't know if there was any other kind of malfunction with the aircraft, but certainly at this point weather was a factor in somewhere along the flight path of this plane. >> obviously looking at the weather plane, searchers are having to fly through that as well. the singapore air force is searching for any kind of wreckage. indonesians as well as they deal with the same weather. the strong thunderstorms boats on the ground and on the sea as they try to look for the wreckage. >> we'll bring in our aviation attorney and pilot. good morning, sal, thank you for offering your expertise on this breaking story. you say in the united states pilots should stay 20 miles away from thunderstorms.

is that across the board internationally? >> that's across the board internationally. even that is a little bit too close. and most pilots will tell you they want to stay further away from the thunderstorms. thunderstorms are probably the most dangerous thing that we routinely have to fly around. >> so in asking to deviate from its normal path was he trying to fly above the thunderstorms or what was going on here? >> asking to go from 32000 to 38,000 feet, thunderstorms can routinely go above that. in fact, the cloud tops here were reported to be at 50,000 feet. so he may have found himself too close to the thunderstorm without wanting to be and trying to find a way out desperately at that point. >> this brings back so many idea that is the air france crash that flew from brazil to paris flew right into thunderstorm. there was pilot error involved and the plane literally disappeared over the ocean. very strong thunderstorms. >> in that case was the pilot's

inaction to cause the plane to fly down to the ocean. here we may have had a breakup of the airplane due to the storm. >> is that what happens, then? we talk about the danger of thunderstorms, the thunder can actually break up the plane, is that the actual threat? what is the real threat here? >> a couple threats. one is the updrafts and downdrafts in the thunderstorm. the updrafts feed the storm the downdrafts are the result of a storm. you can find yourself in a strong updraft and immediately thereafter in a strong downdraft. it will crack any airplane. i don't care what size it is. >> well air asia is one of the low-cost airlines around the one and one of the biggest low-cost airlines around the world. there are 158 aircraft in their fleet. all of them are airbus 320s. they just received an award this year by the consulting firm to be the world's best low-cost airline. what can you tell us about this common plane, this airbus 320? we see a lot of these, they are

popular, right? >> very popular among american airlines. and it's been flying for a long time these airplanes have been around for a long time in various contingencies in the way they design them. but these are safe planes, for the most part. >> people flying home for the holidays, in fact their initial destination, do they have anything to worry about this morning? >> flying is very safe. the safest form of travel you can do whether it be private flying or commercial flying. it is very, very safe. >> i want to ask what makes this unique then? why is it that they take off into the violent storm or why does this pilot who apparently has a pretty good track record in this relatively young plane why did all the great things you would check off as being fantastic come to such a disaster. we complain when they delay our flights, but apparently in this case it would have been a great deal. >> it was delayed 15 minutes on the ground being it departed.

maybe it was waiting the weather out and thought the weather was going to clear. whether can form very quickly. but they are looking at three thing differents the airplane itself to make sure there was no mechanical problem. was the pilot doing everything he needed to do. they will look at the pilots to make sure there was no problem with them over 6,000 hours for the cabin, and then they will look at the environment. here the finger so far is clearly pointing to the environmental issues. >> there's been no wreckage found as of yet. no black boxes, there's been no distress call made in that sense. give us an idea as they talk about so often the golden hour, the golden 24 hours to find evidence in this kind of case. go through what is going on right now in the air on the ground there as these searchers try to find the plane. obviously, we have been reporting it's pretty nasty conditions. >> remember, we compare this a lot to the malaysian 370 disappearance.

this one should be a lot easier to find because we know exactly the footprint where we lost communications with it. we have a much calmer sea to deal with, the vjava sea. we didn't know where the other plane went down and still don't. and here we have hope of finding debris pretty quickly. sea cushion something to come to the surface. it's turning dark over there now, so we are probably not going to learn anything for a while. but the c-130s are flying looking for debris and trying to be looking as best they can to determine where the black boxes are, probably in the ocean. and then recover them. >> waking up to this news you're going, oh, no this happened again. talk about the big differences with malaysian flight 370 and this one. >> malaysia flight 370 we have no idea where they went down. they were trying to use techniques to get a footprint, but that footprint was huge. here there was radio communication with the aircraft. we know something about the

weather and the aircraft. there was radar contact until they lost it, which leads us to believe a breakup of the aircraft. so here at least we have some good clues to find out where this thing went down. >> how common are these incidents in that part of the world? are things not as safe there? and do we want to avoid travel there? >> well, i always say, domestic flights here in this country are always the safest because of our standards so high. the faa is so good at watching what we do here, but there's nothing in the malaysian area that is telling us those flights are not safe either. really, there's no connection between the three flights so far. that we know of. we may have had nevarious means in the first one, had to shoot down the second one and unsure

what happened in this one. >> is there some disagreement in the cockpit, you have weather and an aircraft malfunction, something like that, is that what we are going to look at? talk about the challenges of figuring that out with debris at the bottom of the ocean and spread out over such a large area. >> in fact, one of the things i do is give safety seminars to pilots. we talk at the chain of the accident and a chain is something to break the links. it is usually more than one thing that goes wrong. that's why aviation is to safe. there are so many backups to what you do. and so that to me is probably more than one thing here. we are all looking at the weather. that may have been the problem, but was there something he could have done prior to that. >> from what i've read, the request to go to 38,000 feet came at 6:12 local time and five minutes later it was off the radar. it felt like something was happening and they were in the midst of something happening and were trying to get away from it

or trying to make a decision, but obviously that was pretty quick to make the request and five minutes it's gone. by the way, they have reported it or considered it missing at 7:55, two hours later. is that commonplace? >> really it isn't. i'm wondering why it took so long. they did not report it missing until the diesel fuel ran out or the time period of it running out. maybe it flew off radar in there, but we'll have to see about that. >> as far as nationalities, no americans on board. some from singapore, france and indonesia. what are the families going through right now? what is communication like with the airlines? are they waiting glued to the television like everybody else or is protocol? >> our prayers go out to the families.

you can imagine what they are going through right now. every airline has a crisis team and that's what is going on right now. they are trying to care for the family's needs and try to give them information they know which right now is very little. and keep them in the loops to make them feel better about knowing what has happened to their loved ones and they can't do much more than that. >> sal thank you so much for being here. stay with us throughout the show. 13 minutes after the hour. we are continuing to follow our top story of air asia's flight missing and the frantic search underway. new information on the struggle facing the flight crew right now. and did you know the u.s. will spend more than $38 million hiring more employees to process illegals? wouldn't that money be better spent fixing the border? louis gomar has seen these problems firsthand and joins us live, next. with a r

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money be better spent on the border with louis goberg. is this $48 million indicative of the problem? >> this is just the beginning. this is just for the thousand people that have been hired in virginia across the river from washington, d.c. and the office space. you know you need nice office space, so about $8 million for office space in virginia the trick. the trouble is, what it is going to cost those who are employed that are getting or going to lose their jobs what it is going to cost in taxes that will not be paid by those who will lose their job, who knows -- >> $48 million is a drop in the bucket in terms of the cost of what -- >> of what it will actually cost. and it's just immeasurable the damage the president does when

he flaunts the law, flaunts the constitution and refuses to follow it. >> one thing that is often discussed here is the idea that congress has the power of the person. we saw in the latest budget deal, the idea of only funding homeland security through february given the republicans have hood chance to go after things to prevent spending just like this $48 million. is this administration trying to get ahead of that and run around the congress? what is going on here? >> well, the congress does have the power of the purse and when it chooses to use it. if you have leaders who are afraid of using their power, defending their power then that is pretty much well gone. and the best way to explain it is when "saturday night live" did their version of "schoolhouse rock." it used to require a bill to do the things the president is doing, but now you can do it with an executive order and then

take a smoke break. >> take a smoke break. you can always count on "saturday night live" for these things. we are just a few days from the republicans taking over the senate and a larger majority in the house. as you head back to washington, what are the priorities you're thinking of? what concrete legislative actions can be taken to solve the problems here including the one on immigration? >> we actually passed a bill back at the end of july the one our speaker originally proposed was a disaster. the fact that it was amnesty. but after a few hours of getting together of reading the bill and doing what needed to be done, we fixed it at 10:00 that friday night and passed a decent border bill. we aught to come right back to the same bill and insist that the senate take it up. and begin to push the enforcement on the border. until we have a secure border, there is no sense talking about immigration reform. this president continues to lure people to their detriment.

and for heaven's sakes, i know he's taking african-american votes for granted, but holy cow. they have over twice the unemployment rate. the cost is just extraordinary already. >> and it keeps going up. $48 million $8 million of it for office space. you can see how nice the offices really are. >> we need to do something about that, too. >> we appreciate it sir. coming up a missing flight that disappeared just an hour before it was to land. how hard will it be to find the wreckage and how is this crash different than the search for the missing malaysian airlines jet in we have more on this breaking news as it develops. plus one state's claim to qualify for welfare. you're going to have to stay clean. and you may even face a drug test. but will it work? is it legal? a fair and balanced debate, coming up next.

good morning, everyone. we are back with a fox news alert. an air asia flight packed with people has been missing for 12 hours now. you are looking at search team video in indonesia. the plane lost contact with air traffic control an hour into their flight. the pilot reported bad weather and asked to change course before the plane vanished. a rescue search is underway but storms in the area are not making it easier. 162 people on board that air asia plane. 17 of them children. now off to charles. thank you very much. minnesota's governor signed a bill demanding drug testing for

those on welfare. here from the drug policy alliance is shawna zuckerman. if somebody is on drugs, the likelihood of them getting off the social programs becomes significant. so why isn't this a good idea? >> for people recipients of public asis the answersistance and poor people, they are unlikely to use drugs more than anyone else. i was born in michigan and my grandfather worked for gm. i know from personal experience we had rough times with my family and were on public assistance. what people need in michigan is jobs. rick snyder should be focusing on that with his constituents. it is just unfair. >> john, a lot of people say this is an economic issue. certainly taxpayers want to see the money going to something

smart. the programs initially were designed as a temporary program to help people out get them back on their feet. if you are a drug addict on any of the programs it is unlikely you'll ever get back on your feet. >> who is going to employ somebody addicted? this is an experience in three counties in michigan. an effort to try to take adult who is areor have reason to believe they are drug dependent and get them back on their feet. why use public assistance to continue the addiction. what sense does that make? these are people who advocate against making common sense. why on earth would you want the government to be providing the people for people to continue to be addicted? >> there's no doubt we would all want intervention. let me chair the audience for some of the points for the program. it's a one-year pilot program in three counties. the recipients are required to take the substance abuse test. if suspects of drug use, a

positive test they are given sensors. that seems to me that's somewhat inviting. i don't see where that is necessarily unfair to someone on public assistance. in fact, it feels like an extra hand to help them out of this situation. >> let's be clear with drug tests, they often look for marijuana that stays in your system longer than other drugs. it is not going to find those who need help. but it will trap those recreationally using marijuana, which is something the majority of americans think is legal in many states or should be legal in several states. and we have medical marijuana available in 22 states. so americans are growing to have a consensus that recreational and medical marijuana is not something people should be stigmatized for. >> i think we are starting toer layer this on with additional areas. in fact, people don't like to pay their taxes either. we better pile that on.

john the last word. >> the vast majority of people who need drug treatment are dependent on marijuana despite the public attitude change. it's the single biggest attitude for change. no one addicted is going to help their family. we do this for employees of regular workplaces in the employees assistance program to allow a referral treatment. why would we want to do that to the people in most need? it makes no sense to have the government be the funder of the addiction and this is an effort to try to overcome that to get people back on their feet. michigan is in bad shape. i was born in detroit. it is not going to get better by the government funding drug addiction. >> i don't know if i'm in the last century when you cite that. >> you both want good things but in a different direction. although, more and more would-be employers are also getting drug tests. thank you, guys appreciate it. new information coming in aboard the flight that went missing. who was on the plane and how difficult will the search be?

that's next. and police officers once again turn their backs in defiance on the new york city mayor bill de blasio as america's police mourn the deaths of the new york police department. we have former detective dan bonjino here to weigh in on why his pension won't go away.

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>> the vast majority of people on board are indonesian. there are reports of six foreigners including three south koreans, one malaysian one person from singapore and also one british national. >> the distress calling from flight 8501 before disappearing but look at the satellite before the plane vanished. the pilot wanted to avoid the weather and to veer off the flight path. >> what role do the storms play in this? it is very prominent. none of us are meteorologists but those are ominous looking maps. >> well, i am. >> not us rick. >> that's all right. you can't say for sure it is. oftentimes when you have a plane crash, you want to rule it out. you want to say weather was not a factor but you can't say this. there were a lot of thunderstorms going on and it's the rainy season.

when you have a thunderstorm there, it's problematic. if he set up a change in flight from 32000 to 38,000, the guests earlier said the thunderstorms can go up to 60,000 feet, so that may not have been enough. i'm going to assume because we have good communication with meteorologists generally, any pilot does, that they would know what would be a safe level to get to to get around it. >> at 32,000 feet, could they have been in conditions that would be massive up and down -- could they have been swooning because five minutes later they are off the radar. >> absolutely. you get into the thunderstorms and get updrafts and downdrafts. it causes turbulence and causes hail and tornados to form here in the u.s. that could be moving up 100 miles an hour or 100 miles an hour down to have dramatic impacts on the plane. remember the plane in japan that had incredible turbulence there to cause people to get injured on the flight. this could have been the same

thing. difficult to say just yet. we are about 12 hours out now from the flight. we are heading to the dark in that area. search rescue efforts at this point are interesting. they still have the weather going on so it is going to made difficult. but that area, that sea is an enclosed sea between all the islands, so it is not as waivevy and choppy. so it would be easier to find a visual. >> they are realizing, i am flying right into a thunderstorm, i need to do something. hindsight can be 20/20 but how quickly can they develop? >> they can develop quickly but generally you would see just by sight on a cloud to try to get around it. if you are flying across the central part of the country you think about storm season here in the u.s.re flying in a window seat you can see the clouds. the pilot will try to go around the clouds and in my mind that is what the pilot was trying to do here. you don't want to go straight

through the clouds because of this problem you'll have. >> what can you say how quickly can it develop? >> you can have one develop within five to ten-minute period. that's not quick enough for the pilot to not get away from it. >> a lot of times in this part of the world, we are looking at the satellite image but the realtime information that pilots enjoy and the air traffic controllers enjoy to pick their way around the storms. that does not happen in this part of the world. >> we have such good weather in the u.s. because we have such a great landmass to shoot up weather balloons from every day. you don't have that over the water. so any weather that they see over the ocean can only extend from where they have a radar beam out 240 miles or so or from the satellite image up above. and those are not taken all the time. in this part of the world, they are take up one to two hours. so you don't get great information like we do here in

the u.s. >> thank you, rick. >> you bet. how different is this from malaysian flight 370 or other flights? bruce rogers is here with us. >> good morning. thank you for having me on the show. >> your first thought to wake up to this news this morning? >> well, just listening to your last speaker on the airplanes we have this weather radar that you said was 240 miles, we often tune it down to closer to 80 miles in front of the airplane. and we see the build-ups. yes, in this part of the sea, between java and singapore where the plane was flying, we can see build-ups that happen very quickly. and you get the radar feedback and immediately you can ask for deviations. i think this is what the pilot did. he asked for a higher altitude in a defuation of course.

so we see the buildups and get them -- very different than air france. air france is not -- they were in a different situation, different weather patterns. they didn't have quite the information that these people might have had coming out of java to singapore. so it's a very different scenario. >> the pilot requested to be able to go higher. if it is an emergency situation, do they have any sort of leeway themselves not to wait, to have such a request answered and to take emergency action on their own? >> absolutely. so when we make a request to deviate from the weather if we don't get the answer, we have captain's authority, which means we can turn the airplane any direction and we can descend the airplane to get out of other airplane's path. we can announce mayday situation on the radio if there are other

planes in the air space to let them know we are defuating due to weather and don't have clearance. in this case, they asked for deviation but we don't know if they received it. however, you can only stop and turn the airplane around. if they are basing a thunderstorm building in front of them, which happens very part in this part of the sea, they can do a 360 and stop and not go forward. you can turn the airplane around and try to figure out another path. >> but give us a sense of what is going on in the cockpit there, there's ban lot of discussion of these five minutes made as we look at the anguish that these families are now feeling as they wait for information on their loved ones. give us a sense of what is going on in the cockpit. things are fine, you're flying along, it was an early morning flight and then all of a sudden you're having the other situations develop. you have thunderstorms maybe you begin to have instrumentation issues like air

france. maybe you have a breakdown of communications inside that cockpit. just how quickly can things go bad five minutes from radar, from request to loss of radar contact? sounds like a long time but is it that long? >> no it's actually very quick. so this airplane took off at 5:20 and it's a two-hour flight. so it's a fairly quick flight. so the pilots were fresh, awake alert. and as they are approaching a weather system they would communicate to each other. hey, we're seeing this weather either visually outside the window or on the radar. most likely on the radar. and they are asking for deviation. so there's time that is happening, maybe 5 10, 15 minutes before they penetrate the weather system. but they are seeing this in front of them. and as they progress closer and closer and closer and not

getting the clearance to if that's the case, to deviate around it, they would -- a normal pilot would turn the airplane around to say, we don't have clearance and are going to turn and not go through the weather system. air france was a different story. they didn't see the weather before they went into it. so, in this case, they saw it. i'm assuming they saw it before they went in if they did. >> bruce roger from air control experts, we thank you for your time this morning. >> was that it? >> yes, but please stand by as this story develops. we may be calling on you again. >> okay, thank you. 41 minutes after the hour. nypd officers once again turn their back on maryor de blasio. and the long-standing policy against beards, is it really

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and we are tracking a new fox news alert this morning. there's a desperate rescue underway right now off the coast of greece with a car ferry catching fire. so far 500 passengers are stranded on board. rescue crews are strucking to get to that burning ship right now as rough seas and strong winds are making it very difficult. and a muslim group is suing the united states navy. they are filing a lawsuit on behalf of a former navy man who claims he was discriminated against because of his beard. the suit says he requested to be allowed to keep his beard and was later made fun of and even had a promotion rejected because of it. the navy so far has not commented on this case. all right. hundreds of police officers sending a message to new york

city mayor bill de blasio as they turn their backs on him against as he spoke at the officer of the slain nypd officer. >> this just one day after a banner reading the same message flew over the city. can a relationship between the new york city police department and the mayor ever be fixed? joining us is the former nypd officer and former secret service agent, dan bonjino. dan, welcome to the show. we have seen this drama go on and it seems a little at least from yesterday, that it's gotten worse. where do we go from here? >> the relationship between the community and the police department in new york i think can get a lot better. i think sadly it took an incident like this for a lot of eyes to be opened as to what the police officers do every day. the relationship between the nypd and mayor de blasio n my opinion, is finished. there is no repairing it. i have a lot of friends of mine that i went to the police

academy with two decades ago, were still there and said it is pretty much over. the relationship is fractured. >> for the viewers who do not live in new york city how does this affect them? what are the repercussions if this icy relationship continuing to falter? >> the repercussions directly is the nypd will continue to do their job. the men and women, they are professionals. i was there through a number of contract disputes when i was a police officer. there were a lot of tensions back then as well, but everybody went out and answered the radio calls and did what they had to do but the support for mayor de blasio in the department is really dissipating completely. and i don't see how he goes forward and leads the city. it's like a four-star general charging into battle with no troops behind him. he has no political capital with them to leverage for any future decisions. >> some thought the differences would have been put aside yesterday for one day during the state of mourning.

the day before we saw the banner flying saying some cockpits turned their back on de blasio and physically turning their back at the funeral. it shows you just how deep this sentiment runs. if you can outline for the viewers some of the other issues they had before they areisey are i can garner eric garner case continued. did it start with stop and frisk? >> it did start with stop and frisk. the police officers and men and women are smart to what is going on politically. what we have here is not a policy or legislative problem we have an ideological problem. we have a 1960s born and bred leftist radical here who believes the system is the problem. the focus of that system so to say are the cops. the cops are the representation

to these folks. he has not been a moderate. every single stance he has taken has been a far left stance. and whereas any good executive, president, governor or mayor any chief executive would default on the side of the cops are probably doing the right thing and there's a few bad apples. he defaults on the other side where the cops do the wrong thing and there's a few good apples. >> dan bongino we'll talk to you again soon. thank you. 49 minutes after the hour, back to the fox news alert, the airbus 8320 the same kind of plane missing right now is one of the most popular planes in the sky. but how safe is it and could you be boarding one today? and one university wants to pay your student loans. all you have to do is get a job once you graduation. that's ahead. in my world, wall isn't a street... return on investment isn't the only return i'm looking forward to. for some every dollar is earned with sweat,

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all right. we are back with a fox news alert. an airbus flight disappeared from radar contact about 12 hours ago. it is just as popular as an

airplane you may be flying on today. joining me is an aviation consultant who has spent more than 30,000-plus hours in the air. you hear about this, what the your reaction? >> no emergency distress call. so that tells me the pilots did not do what they were supposed to do. that tells me right away you have a weather-related incident. >> it is 6:00 to 7:00 in the evening over there in the java sea where the plane went down. evidently the weather is so bad that they have suspended the search because of the weather there and all the bits of severe thunderstorms. what goes wrong in the minutes before this happens?

you're flying along and go from nothing to inside a thunderstorm like this. they asked to go up to 38,000 feet from 32,000 feet. what happens then? >> well, it can happen if you have severe turbulence not the severe tush bleps reported on the news. but the severe turbulence is loss of the control of the aircraft. can that happen instantaneously? yes, it happened from air france coming from south america instantaneously. he and 'tis pated something. either he was beginning to get moderate turbulence, but when you talk about icing or being sucked into a storm or horse horizontal or vertical winds, that can happen. >> we fly on airbus 320s all the

time. some airlines have them as their entire fleet. was this a situation where all the bad things go on at once in terms of the weather, the pilot, some other kind of issue inside the cockpit? >> all kinds of accidents generally have a cascadeing series of events. the airbus a320 requires a different mindset because of two things. there's a sidestick controller with no force feel and the two are not connected between the two. and there are throttles that don't move. depending on the background of the pilot, on what their background was and the training and the aircraft they came out of that can be a contributory problem when we engage in something like severe turbulence. where everything in the cockpit -- >> quickly, you have have pilots like these, the captain has over 6,000 hours, but if he didn't have a lot of time in the airplane it can be a different

situation? >> yes. i want to see what your background and training is. the co-pilot was probably on the initial operating experience because he had very few hours. >> obviously more information will come out on this as it develops. we appreciate your time sir. of course, we are staying on this story as the desperate search for the airasia plane continues. of course, it vanished over the pacific and families right now -- these are the pictures as they wait helplessly for answers. we are live with the answers at the top of the hour.

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the search for the missing aircraft suspended. we'll have a live report coming up. images are heartbreaking as families wait helplessly for answers. on the right side of the screen, a picture from the airport. instead of the arrived onmessage was a different one. and the airbus 320 is one of the safest planes in the sky, but how safe are they? we'll tell you on "fox & friends" right now. and right to the fox news alert. the search for a plane packed with people suspended. this after 162 souls vanished over the java sea. air traffic control losing contact with airasia 8501 en

route from indonesia to singapore. we are joined live with the latest. >> reporter: yes good morning to you. i'm not surprised that the search has been suspended this time. that whole region has had horrendous weather the last week or so. malaysia has had heavy flooding because of the rains coming in with the monsoon. we understand the plane lost contact with indonesian air control about 12 hours ago now. the airasia flight was on its way to singapore with 162 passengers and crew on board. this flight was an hour into the three-hour journey from singapore when it disapeered from the screens. the search and rescue planed have suspended their search in the java sea because of the bad weather. they said airasia 8501 asked for

permission to climb to 38,000 to avoid thick cloud. no distress call was reported or issued by the crew. anxious friends and relatives are gathering at the airports for news of the plane. the ceo aaron hernandez is on his way to surabaya where many of the passengers were from. airasia has never lost a plane before but the national malaysia carrier has lost two this year, mh-370 that disappeared without a trace. and mh-17 was lost over the ukraine. back to you all. david piper thank you so much. we'll bring in rick reichmuth as we take a look at the satellite image of the weather where airasia 8501 went missing. the weather continuing to be a problem for search and rescue. that's why they called it off. >> david made a great point it is monsoon season. that means a change in the trade

winds. when you get a change in the winds, it brings in the storms. they have had incredible rain across malaysia and southern parts of thailand the last couple of weeks to cause incredible flooding for people there. but take a look at the satellite imagery to see the problems they have going. this is the satellite image of what was going on at the time of the flight. now take a look at what the satellite image is currently. they have had to call off the flights, not only because of the storms, but because it is dark here. we have 12 hours here to go into darkness. however, if the flight was going for about an hour, they do know where they lost contact and roughly where the plane could have gone down and it shouldn't be that difficult relatively in order to find it. nothing like what we were dealing with the malaysian flight last year. one small area there in the java sea. it is not that rough with the islands all around it. the islands block the waves coming in, so it should be

fairly tranquil aside from the storms coming in. we'll continue to see those kinds of storms right now during monsoon season. >> when we look at the satellite and radar image and see the colors, we are used to seeing colors in the united states. give us a sense of how strong these thunderstorms are? is there hail? potential for tornadoes? extraordinarily strong winds? >> extraordinarily strong winds. there's no tornadoes here with potentially a little bit of hail up here. but it would not be hail by the time you get to the ground. the brighter the color that is something that different meteorologists and color organizations have colorized in tables. the infrared satellite comes from space down to the earth and picks up different temperatures throughout the atmosphere and clouds. so we colorize it where you see a darker orange that means it's a colder cloud. the colder cloud means a higher cloud. if you have a higher cloud, you have much more uplift in these storms. and that means a stronger storm.

where you see the darker oranges and such on there, that means much more intense storms. then you do where you see the lighter yellow and the white. does that make sense? >> we have been talking about this earlier, the updrafts and downdrafts in the storm can break apart an airplane as it flies through very quickly. >> exactly. >> we'll be joined by aviation consultant ken christianson. thank you for being with us on this breaking news morning. we appreciate your time today. >> good morning. >> because there was no distress call made the pilot did make a request to increase altitude to 38,000 feet. but there was no distress call made, does that tell you that something else was going on in the cockpit where the pilots potentially could be capacitated? >> absolutely. any time you have a rapid incident without contact with air traffic control, something is not going well. >> so colonel, what could have

actually happened? what are some of the scenarios, as they request to move their altitude higher and then five minutes later are completely off the radar, what are some of the possible scenarios that could have gone on? >> well, the five minutes i think is a key importance. there are just below 40,000 feet, which is pretty high for that aircraft. we just don't exactly know the fuel load, but approximately three-and-a-half hours of fuel. so the five hours if they did depart flights, depart control flights, they are going to fall at over 10,000 feet per minute. and that's about the same time it would take to impact the water below them from that flight altitude. that is very similar to the air france crash and how long it took for them to leave their altitude and impact the water. >> in the air france crash there was a lot of talk of the

pilot talking to the passengers or taking a rest period. they weren't looking at instrumentation. there were a lot of procedures they didn't follow. is this a case where it seems as though you have a situation of weather alone or is this some case where you have weather combined with either pilot error, or some kind of problem with the aircraft? >> well any time you're looking at an aircraft accident, you always hear about the chain. it could be just the weather, it could be just pilot error it could be just the simple fact of them both. and how the crew is working in the cockpit together. one of the things with the thunderstorms, they can develop very rapidly. the thing that is troubling to me is that the air france flight was at night and this one was in the daytime. so you can visually see a lot of the buildups, but the clouds were so widespread that the crew could very well have been in the weather for the entire flight. so you're looking at the radar

on the aircraft and might not be able to see -- you can see some weather, but if the weather is intense in front of you from the radar perspective, you won't see what is behind it. so maybe the crew was discussing, do we go around the buildup or left around the buildup? and then they wound up going through the buildup. and they could be so severe they could just take an aircraft apart. >> what kind of hurdles will the search and rescue crew have when they wake up in the morning as soon as light falls again with the wreckage? if it did indeed crash there. are they going to be sinking quickly or is it something that we're going to be able to find quickly? >> well, again if this did impact water, which there was no emergency locator transmitter that transmitted, so that tells me that it did not crash into land, it crashed into the water. because the radio -- that we want away. at this point we can assume it

did hit the water. so what they would do is do a route search from where the plane took off to short of its destination. they do have imperical data of where the aircraft's flight path was. so they will glide and fall. we will concentrate that search. that's what you will do initially. then you will get ships and helicopters. they are not so far off the coast, not clearly as far as the malaysia aircraft was off the coast of australia. >> all right. so colonel, we know that this was a budget carrier, if you will, but airasia is not a small airline. we know the airline and history in terms of what it is. it is one of the lowest cost airlines in the world with 158 aircrafts, all of which are a-320s and was honored in 2014 by the consulting firm skytrack

as the world's best low-cost airline. it may be low cost in the sense they have all the same aircraft. does that help to train the pilots or are they trained at the same level those are in the united states or the aircrafts, are they maintained to the same safety standards here? >> we'll take that one thing at a time. having a single air draft you reduce cost by one flight simulator, one distance class. so all the pilots are currently qualified on all the aircraft within the aircraft fleet. much different than american airlines, united airlines, that fly multiple airplanes. so think of this airline like southwest airlines, they model the boeing 737 and all their crews fly that. from the standpoint that is very similar. that's a domestic airline over there and they don't fly that

type of aircraft into the united states. so they could have their own training standard. i'm not 100% familiar with all the intracancies of their training standard, like minimum time for a co-pilot. we have higher standards here in the united states than they do there. but again, if you look at training, these are two airbus products. the airfrance one and this one. it's a little similar in what happened, but again, this is just speculation that it is too early to tell. so you get the post forensic data. >> colonel, what type of plane is the airbus a-320? there's safety record how long have they been around, their reputation? >> well, this aircraft i six years old. in the airplane life that's new car smell. so a very new airplane. this is the same size as the 737

or the airplane itself. and the state has been very good, the former marine pilot talked about how their plane is controlled. this is a fly by wire airplane. a boeing 737 is not. it's transitional control. so the training is different. and there is -- depending on the the pilot came from a traditional product or a boeing product to the airbus product, those differences or differences in training must be addressed when transitioning to the aircraft. >> i'm sorry you said fly by wire? >> yes. and that's what the airbus a320 is. >> what does that mean? >> so much like a joystick on a video game you'll have a joystick. and that goes to flight control computers. so the pilot put it input on the

joystick and the flight controls on the aircraft will give what the pilot wants. >> aviation consultant lieutenant ken christianson, thank you so much. >> thank you. coming up on "fox & friends," president obama says race relations are better since he took office but the american people don't agree. and neither does lieutenant colonel allen west who joins us next. and the weather is playing a frantic role despite the search for the missing airplane. we'll tell you more on what we know about the passengers on board the airasia plane.

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in too many communities around the country, a gulf of mistrust exists between local residents and law enforcement. the law too often feels as it is applied in a discriminatory fashion. this is a systemic problem that black folks and latinos and other folks are not just making this up. >> president obama weighing in on racial tensions throughout the year. and in a new interview he says the country is better off

saying, quote, i actually think that it's probably in its day-to-day interactions better divided. lieutenant colonel allen west is here. welcome to the show. president obama seems like he's tone-deaf to a lot of things but in this particular case not only do a lot of people believe he's an essential works to race relations. >> good morning, charles. good to be with you. let's be honest, i grew up in the inner city in atlanta. you grew up in new york city in harlem. we know what race relations were like in our respective neighborhoods, but for president obama when you look at it from his perspective as a community organizer, he believes race relations are fine because of the impact they are having on what they believe is social justice. so when you have this incredible divide amongst us because that's

the aim and the goal of collectivism, which is what the president believes in, then everything is fine for him. when you have someone like al sharpton visiting the white house provide inging pressure on sony individuals and the angst happening in this mob atmosphere going on, this is really what the president would like to have. this fogrolicking defensescension. >> because of the race and the ability to move the economic needle, i do want to read a fox news poll of the relations since president obama took office. only 16% of whites think it has gotten better. only 26% of blacks. 65% of whites say it has gotten

worse. 55% of black people say it's gotten worse. so obviously you do have both sides of the racial divide, if you will, agreeing. since the president came into office, the president who had an amazing unique mandate and unique person to sort of take what we have been doing so well in this country, moving racial relations forward and better, how did he drop the ball this drastically? i understand the collectivism thing, but it seems like to every turn that he can blame or hint or suggest that race is looking at the fault of criticism and failure he created that. >> they created the atmosphere back in 2009. eric holder said we were a nation of cowards when it came to race. when you look at the fact this we have elected and re-elected the first black president but yet he still believes that's not enough. we have the national security adviser, the department of homeland security, i don't know what more else you need to have.

>> colonel west, thank you very much. unfortunately, this is going to be a big story in 2016. coming up more on the top story for the search for the missing airasia passenger plane. what we have learned about the pilot is next. and this story will have you seeing red. one of america's heroes says he was fired from his job at this store because of his disability he has from fighting for this nation. now he's fighting back, just ahead.

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night. we just learned moments ago they are searching mountains in the area where the plane lost contact about 13 hours ago now. the pilot reported bad weather and requested to change course right before it vanished. that pilot had more than 6100 flight hours under his belt making him a very experienced flyer. he shouldn't have been a stranger to navigating through storms. we'll keep you updated as the storm develops. right now, here's charles. virginia farmers are unable to earn any extra money with regulations against homemade food. >> you can't buy pumpkin pie but there's a new law to change it all. we have a local farmer fighting to change the law and is joining us now. explain to us right now the way it is there in virginia and what you would like to be able to do. >> well, on our farm, we have

had the ability to raise lots of foods. but the problem is the processing and what the fda deems as potentially hazardous. i don't know if you can see this, but i made a sweet potato pie. and the beauty of this pie is that -- >> we can see it and would really like to be seeing it here right now. >> it's good. but i can source i can raise almost everything in this pie, the sweet potatoes the milk from my cow, the eggs from my chicken. even down to the crust. we raise the pigs and we render down the lard. and we can -- >> but you can't sell it at a farmer's stand or anything like that? >> not unless the government agent comes into my home and decides if i can or not. >> so now there's efforts, the virginia food freedom act, and they are sort of saying we

require the sales to be made face-to-face. name and address label, product ingredients to be listed on the product label as well with a disclosure statement. so these are things you say other farmers included they should resolve this and get government out of the way to sell the great pumpkin pies. >> absolutely. but this is not just for farmers but for everybody in virginia. people in the apartments, in the city, in the suburbs, whatever you can make in your kitchen that your neighbors and family and friends would like to purchase, as long as you have the label on there, it's a legal sale. >> thank you very much. you have to send us a pie because we get here at 3:40 in the morning and have not eaten yet. >> we need some in-depth

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adults, 16 children, one infant, two pilots and five cabin crew as well. >> the vast majority of the people on board are indonesian. in addition there are reports of six foreigners but no americans. >> and among the flight crew there are six indonesians and one french national. >> of course, severe weather was forcing crews to delay their search for flight 8501. here is a look at the radar in the area. the pilot of that plane wanted to avoid dangerous thunderstorms and asked in his last transmission to air traffic control to high to a higher altitude. rick reichmuth is joining us now. what was the weather like in terms of the broader picture of the disappearance and right now? >> it is monsoon time in the area meaning a directional change of wind to change with the overall weather pattern.

it gets monsoonal waves to increase the activity. that's what they are in the middle of right now. they are seeing increased activity within monsoon season. i will tell you generally speaking about monsoonal storms, they happen in the evening and rain rain and because of the increased activity we saw coming with the storms, that's what it looked like during the flight time last night. we also have what is happening now, and this was just the -- cutting through the java sea then an hour into the flight that likely puts it near this area, we see storms in the area. the air flight is searcher for

the plane and they will continue to search as soon as the storms subside. now we'll interview a former pilot pilot, that helps to cut costs by having a flight simulator and the entire fleet is this type of plane. how safe is it? >> it's a safe airplane, no question about it. it's the most popular plane with its single isle of the aircraft flying today. it was traditionally replacing the 737. and to this day, it is in competition with boeing. >> so here's thing.

you turn about the dark horse being the colder weather and backing up. what about the idea of icing, is that a possibility here? >> that's always a possibility from this storm. not only icing but hail. hail comes out of the tops of thunderstorms. so even if you're up and these storms are large, it can cause the engine to ingest it. just like the miracle on the hudson that we know about you can have a similar effect of birds flying into it. >> and this is the same type of aircraft. >> yes. >> in a larger sense of those of us who travel in and out, there are tens of thousands of americans getting on the same kind of plane today, is there a real fear when every day you go

to the airport of fly inging. >> do we see more of these accidents? >> a lot of it has to do with training and the oversight of the faa that watches over pilots and flight departments. >> we talked about weather being a factor what about pilot error being a factor? >> well training is always an issue with flying. most parents or pilots tend to be a pilot-controlled airplane where the airbuss are fly by wire, done by computers. and a lot of the pilots are going into the simulators to learn if the dial is in the

right spot and very well it was a situation that they ran into. >> we learned the cap pin of this airplane had 6,000 the co-pilot 2,000. but there's so much talk after the aseanic flight disappeared and how many hours they have on flights, his issue is the kind of things to have in this -- >> that is if you don't understand the basics and have been trained with the basics of flight. the way we do it in the united states, for the most part, did you learn on a smaller airplane.

you work your way up to a big metal incident. by doing that you learn all the forces of flight. if you look back in the atlantic ocean from 1991, you look at the misreading of the pilot and if he left it in a squall condition, he landed right into the ocean floor. >> if there was not pilot injury but something going on. would there be a way for the acorn system we talked about during the malaysian missing airplane translates a lot of information to the ground from aboard the aircraft. >> so we're answering a golden air travel era $5 trillion

planes on order. absolutely amazing. but in this competition they seem to get lighter, great materials materials, all these things to get us faster are great but are we sacrificing debris as safety in this great race? >> not for the most part. the new carbon fiber airplanes are proven and tested. we have the new dreamliner out all the stuff coming up. >> these are all positive contributions. but it all comes down to training. you have to train the pilots and they have to be trained in the basics of flying. >> ultimately at the end of the day, there's always that element of human error that you can never get out of the equation. no matter how great news the plane is there's always a

smidgen or debris of human error you can't control. >> that will always be the case. but also the opposing case, they always try to get themselves out of a bad situation. >> you have lectured on a lot of bad accidents and those kinds of things. they are flying around at 6:00 a.m. and know there are thunderstorms and it's monsoon season and bad weather. you have a call saying you want to go from 36000, go around the storms at 38000. five minutes off radar is that an eternity or just like that? >> in a cockpit that can be very quickly. if things happen -- they downgraded everything from the storm sits to be increased in

size. that moves very quickly to spur tornadoes. a tornado will take apart a plane. we hope we can find out more but when i saw rick's graphics earlier today, it is obviously there is severe weather there with wind shear, hail and icing, all the things contributing to what happened. >> and as strong as an aircraft is as you eluded to it can literally tear one apart. >> absolutely. >> we're talking advancements in air travel that have been extreme here in the flight just disappearing. how does that happen? >> we don't know why it went off the radar but it doesn't seem

like that was from debris. >> in your theory, the plane broke into pieces in the air. >> certainly we know there was massive control of the airplane. two quickly done. for the pilots to give a distress signal. if he was gliding down to the water, he would have given a distress signal. >> what are we going to learn or how will the industry react with pretty high-profile incidents like this. how quickly does the international body that covers up asia to make some changes.

>> we aught to make some law and need to point that out. you have to get all the countries together to agree on everything. they just recently agreed on whether to use fahrenheit or celsius, think how far back that goes. >> appreciate your time sir. of course we'll continue to follow-up on the story to keep you updated on the missing airasia plane. and one university offering to pay your student loan ss. we'll tell you how, next. introducing the new philips norelco shaver series 9000 with contour detect technology that flexes in 8 directions for the perfect shave at any angle. go to philips.com/new to save up to $40. innovation and you. philips norelco.

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because of bad weather in southeast asia. there's also it being about 7:48 there. there are contributing factors that the fact that the flight fell off radar 12 hours ago. the airbus lost all contact with air traffic controllers shortly after the pilot reported there was bad weather and requested to change his course. according to airasia there are 162 souls on board at the time. right now, there are just a few boats out there in the java sea scouring looking for any sign of the plane possibly near singapore. there is a more intense search scheduled to continue in the morning as daybreak comes. leland, thank you. a college president is so confident his graduates will land well-paying jobs he's

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you and understand you don't want to leave with a mortgage. and if you do, it's okay if you can't find a job. if you want to go into the peace corps or the missionary work, they don't have to worry about student loans now and can make less than $20,000. every month it is reimbursed to them. >> you are among the first of the universities to do this. maybe you'll be a trailblazer. jeffrey daugherty from adrian college, thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. the missing airasia flight was flying into bad storms but did this cause them to disappear? are pilots trained to fly in storms? of course they are. a pilot who has flown through nasty weather himself is here to join us live to talk about this, next. i'm angela and i quit smoking with chantix. people who know me they say 'i never thought you would quit.' but chantix helped me do it. along with support chantix (varenicline)

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nearly 13 hours ago airasia flight 8501 vanished over the pacific. the plane was flying into pretty bad storms but you would think pilots are trained to fly into all sorts of bad weather.

joining us is fox news contributor robert mark. we'll start with this, you have seen the radar images and those kinds of things. from what you have understood is the weather bad enough at this time if they flew into a thunderstorm it could have brought the plane down? >> well, there is always the possibility that could happen in any kind of thunderstorm. i mean the forces of nature inside a thunderstorm are just unbelievably strong but of course we're taught to watch the radar and lookout the window because it would have been daylight there, to steer around the bad weather. you never fly through it. >> we do know that the pilot in the five minutes before the plane vanished from radar issued a radio call and asked to go from 32,000 feet up to 38,000 feet to avoid some of this weather, but there's a lot of discussion and compareson between what is going on over the java sea, what happened with the airfrance flight from brazil to paris that flew into

thunderstorms and crashed as well. that was also an airbus. one of the things cited in the crash was bad instrumentation and the issue of the pilot training and those kinds of things. it is my understanding this kind of plane that crashed in the area right now also had issue with instrumentation and how the pilot can calculate air speed heading into thunderstorms, is that correct? >> that's true. the airbus people brought out what we call an air worthiness director two weeks ago to look at the ice wing that got the paris flight mid-flight. but there is still the problem, if you get too close to bad

weather, it can be very dangerous. >> the flight control laws can order a continuous nose-down pitch that in a worse case scenario that cannot be stopped in the full acquisition. it does not sound good. thank you, robert mark, aviation expert. we appreciate your time, sir. coming up, search crews are combing the water and it is nighttime there looking for the missing plane. now you're looking at pictures of the families. all they can do is watch and wait. the heartwrenching new details on the search and those passengers coming up in a live report, next. what if one stalk of broccoli could protect you from cancer? what if one push up could prevent heart disease? one.

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hi everyone. good morning, it is sunday december 28, 2014. i'm anna kooiman. a packed airplane carrying 162 people goes missing due to wicked weather, and now the search is suspended. what happens next? we're live on the ground. and the images coming in are heartbreaking. families there waiting helplessly for answers. take a look at the right-hand side of the screen. you get to the airport to visit a loved one and instead of arrived on the board the message says see counter. we'll tell you who was on board that flight. and the missing airbus 320 is one of the most popular planes in the sky. "fox & friends" starts right now.

right now we have a fox news alert as we learn the air search for the airplane packed with people missing is suspended. some boats are still in the water. airasia 8501 lost contact en route froms rabaya to singapore. what is the latest, david? >> reporter: good morning to you. as you said, the air search for the missing plane has been suspended because of bad weather here in southeast asia. the international authorities say some boats are still out looking for it though. now there have been some heavy rains pummeling the region in vent days causing heavy flooding in neighboring malaysia. indonesian air traffic control lost contact with the plane about 13 hours ago now. the airasia flight was on its way from surabaya to singapore with 162 passengers and crew on

board. the airasia 320 was and hour into its flight when it disappeared prom the screen. they have been searching the area of the java sea before the search was suspended because of the poor weather. airasia says flight 8501 asked for a diversion in its path due to bad weather. the pilot asked for permission to climb to 38,000 people to avoid thick cloud. no distress call is reported to have been issued by the crew. anxious friends and relatives have gathered at both surabaya and singapore airports for news of the plane. the ceo tony fernandez has gone to surabaya where many of those on board were from. the budget airline has headquarters in malaysia has never lost an airplane before but the national carrier has lost two this year.

mh370 that disappeared and airplane that went missing over ukraine. the planes will go out again as soon as the weather clears. the air search has been called off as david is reporting until tomorrow due to rough weather. of course, it is now nightfall over there in asia. rick reichmuth is joining us live now. talk to us in a sense of just how bad these storms are this time of the year in that part of the world over the java sea? >> this is the time of year when the storms are bad. when you see a satellite map there, the colors and the oranges you see, the darker orange and red means the higher cloud tops. it comes down to a temperature basin to get a visualized

representation. we usually show these maps during hurricane season to see the higher storms. and that's what we are seeing here, it is not a hurricane, but strong storms across the java sea. here's where we are right now to make sense of this for people. indonesia is made up of five different islands. malaysia is off to the north of this area. the plane going from the island of surabaya up to singapore. and then we throw the weather back on here and you can see the kind of storms we are dealing with. the plane went down or lost contact an hour in. that would put it right around this area. you can see the reds on the map, guys, you can see exactly where the worst of the storms were. so definitely a lot of storms in the area. we have been talking this morning about tornadoes and icing and hail not generally what you see in the tropics

around the equator because the air is too warm all the way up through the atmosphere. definitely colder up above than it is at the bottom. that's why you get the lift in the big storm. but it is not the kind of area to get that incredible weather. but you have strong updrafts because of human weather at the surface. >> what if it would be wind and not hail is what you're saying? >> yes. potentially a strong. those are the kinds of storms that are similar to what you see with thunderstorms here in the spring, except for the hail. here we are far north that the temperature up above is incredibly cold to get the freezing and icing and hail. not the case down around the tropics. >> a lot of guests have been saying the updrafts and downdrafts are strong enough. it's strong enough to break up a

plane flying through. airasia has no history of crashes but what else should we know about the airline? obviously, a lot of us are going to be flying on a320s here in the united states so are these airplanes safe? >> we'll bring in mike boyd. thank you so much for joining us on "fox & friends." >> as rick mentioned it's monsoon season. we saw the radar there and the satellite image. it doesn't look good but these pilots are trained to fly through some pretty nasty weather. what did you make of this news this morning? >> well, it's what happened. airplanes have been torn apart the sky. it's a -- it is not common but is happening very often i'll tell you something but there could be things out there they don't see with the radar. not very often but it can happen. >> mike, about air asia, one of the lowest cost

aircrafts. they were just nominated by skytrack as the lowest cost airline. but now are there any other things to look at here, like how old is this plane? >> this is not an airline that is in trouble in any way, shape or form. it is a very successful airline. they have another subsidiary called airasia x to go long haul. it is. >> mike, talk about the differences in the differences between the balance of powers in the computers and the different

theories of the pilots. >> the a320 has a rough start decades ago, literally. right now it's one of the most advanced airplanes. in fact boeing chase edd an exceedingly safe airplane. you don't get safer than that but they are built by the hand of man and that can lead to problems sometimes. >> but as far as power -- >> that has always been our argument. have the pilots gotten to fly because they are automatic? will, there are a number of

factors that go into this. >> is there an issue in terms of pilot training the difference in standards and the way they manage a cockpit and pilots work together in asia with these kinds of airlines versus southwest or any of the large american carriers. airasia workers are sophisticated and realize any cut in training any corner-cutting is expensive. we have seen no indications of other low-cost carriers to have any major problems with pilot training being corner-cut or maintenance being reduced. that's just not in the cards over there. >> what would you suspect was going on in the cockpit during these moments because there was

a request that david piper mentioned at the top of the hour for the pilot to want to go to raise the elevation to 38,000 feet but then there was no dispress call. did something mechanically happen? >> it probably happened very quickly and catastrophically. it is not uncommon for them to climb to try to avoid the storm, but the real issue is something happened to where they couldn't respond which leads me to believe it was very catastrophic and quick. >> you think about this over time here in terms of any airplane crash. you look at the weather and the aircraft itself but you also have to ask the question does this sound like terrorism?

does this sound like that? >> i want to bring up that it can always be the case, but in this case we have a weather issue indicated. my feeling is there's nothing to say that this aircraft was picked off by terrorism. >> mike we saw the famous malaysian crash and i don't know if we'll ever have the answers. how confident are you that the people will find answers? to find relief? >> my feeling is probably in the next 12 hours. it is pretty hard to lose an

airplane like this. jungles are jungles, but i'm confident this is not a malaysian 370. >> as we look at the families there and the distress they are going through 162 people on board the plane what a terrible thing to deal with. mike boyd thank you. 12 minutes after the hour. still ahead, we're talking jeb bush. we continue to follow breaking news now about the plane. and we'll have chris wallace join ugh, next. join us, next. innovation and you. philips norelco.

well, the wall street journal has made public e-mails from florida governor jeb bush and are putting the e-mails out now. >> the mails reportedly revealing how he dealt with political issues like the 9/11 terror attacks and immigration. >> so what can these tell us about the former governor and the potential run for the presidency in 2016? joining us now, host of "fox news sunday," chris wallace. in the e-mails he talked about iraq, the war, he defends his brother and wrote that he opposed partial birth abortion and proposed legislation to seek to ban partial birth abortions while in florida. so chris already sort of --

he's putting it out there. also, he's got a lot of criticism from within the republican party on the common core education system. so it feels like he's got more than one toe in the water right now. >> oh, yeah. i mean these are all the signs of a man who is very much intending to run for president for 2016 and will announce, i would think, sometime in the spring of 2015. there are no smoking guns in these e-mails. he had to release them because florida has a very expansive public disclosure law. so these are going to come out and i think the feeling is they are going to come out, put them out on your own terms and put them out over the holidays when nobody is paying attention to them. one of the things i show is what a conservative governor he is on the issues you talked about. he's against government spending and against taxes. as you say, he's against partial birth abortions. those are issues to send him in

an effort to work for illegal immigrants and the common core the national standards on education that a lot of conservatives see as federal intrusion in the local school system. >> the e-mails will reveal how the decisions are made in all of that. as he's exploring the potential run in 2016 what is he paying attention to aside from poll numbers? >> i'm sorry say it again anna. >> what will jeb bush and the team be paying attention to for this poll members. >> this is an inkrizable primary going on. and that's the campaign, the

competition and the big organizers. mitt romney if he were to run, chris christie and jeb bush and florida senator marco rubio. i think by getting out so early, jeb bush is trying to set the marker to say we're going to run this at my pace, not your pace. and i am going to look ahead to 2016. >> in 2014 in its own right, it was an amazing year of politics. >> you're right. we'll have a special "fox news sunday" year in review. that means looking ahead at the year coming up in 2015 in the big areas politics the extraordinary debate we have had this year over race and the

justice system. and also foreign policy with. i bet they made the compromises necessary to get the deals so extraordinary executive action on this part and reaction from the republican voters, all the voters on election day when they gave control of the house and senate senate. chris, thank you so much. coming up, more reports on the weather as the disappearance of an airasia flight 8501. and now a former pilot is questioning the pilot's actions.

why he says they don't add up, that's straight ahead. and "the interview" is the movie that almost wasn't. but at the end of the day is the sony hacking scandal movie really good? kevin mccarthy is here with his preview, coming up next. >> i just wish we had an escape plan. >> let's go to japan. >> that constitutes crossing the sea of japan.

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a fox news alert. hundreds of families around the world are on edge as crews continue their search for missing loved ones aboard airasia flight 8501. 162 people were on board the plane flying from indonesia to singapore when it literally vanished from radar just about 14 hours ago. the pilot of the plane reported

severe weather and requested to change course just about five minutes before the plane lost radar contact. right now boats are scouring the java sea where it is just about 9:00 p.m. near singapore for any sign of the plane, air crews are expected to join the search just as soon as the weather clears up and it is daybreak on the other side of the world. after hackers threat upped sony, they called off the release of "the interview" but the film debuted online and in a few hundred theaters christmas day. >> i'm going to be in a room alone again and the cia would love if you could take him out. >> hmm in. >> take him out? >> for coffee? >> no, take him out. >> you want us to kill the leader of north korea?

>> yes. >> what? >> is "the interview" all that it is cracked up to be. >> joining us is fox news under of nerdtears.com, kevin mccarthy, is this about something larger than whether the movie was good or not. >> good morning guys. i spent my christmas day in a movie theater seeing "the interview." was the movie was healed week ago, it set a dangerous expression that our films are not a freedom of expression.

>> i laughed out loud several times but then it came to a screeching halt. >> i had a separate feeling about the movie. the fact that it was released but the movie was just okay. the first 15 minutes was funny, then the middle section was boring and they kept repeating the same jokes over and over again. the "lord of the rings" joke was overused and james franco overreacted. but overall, the movie was just okay. >> final rating? >> 2.5 out of 5. i don't think it was that great of a movie. i do think you should go to see it to show we don't give into the threats. >> 2.5 stars and one asterisk.

go see it. >> kevin mccarthy, we appreciate it. coming up the pilot of the missing plane asked for another flight plan to get it around the storm. we'll have more, coming up. there it is. now you're an expert in less than a minute. this is truecar. [coughing] dave, i'm sorry to interrupt... i gotta take a sick day tomorrow. dads don't take sick days, dads take nyquil. the nighttime, sniffling sneezing, coughing aching, fever, best sleep with a cold medicine.

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france, one united kingdom and one french national. >> you're looking at the radar map of the flight conditions that tried to avoid rough thunderstorms with clouds 50,000 feet high. rick reichmuth is joining us now. rick, what rule does it appear that weather played in this plane's disappearance? >> it certainly looks like it played a big factor in it. sometimes you can have crashes and say the weather was fine. that is not a problem at all but that's not the case this time with a lot of storms in there. it's monsoon season across much of indonesia right now. generally in monsoon season, you see the day heat up and the afternoon and early thunderstorms. the flight taking off at 6:00 in the morning is a different story. but because this time, this time of the year we are seeing strong thunderstorms into the early morning hours. this is satellite imagery during the four hours of when the

flight took off to singapore. that's the reds to indicate higher cloud tops and thunderstorms here right at the time. if it was about an hour into the flight where it is, it went down near jakarta. you can see an increase in thunderstorms typically into the evening. guys, we talk about the low erer tropics, you can see a different kind of thunderstorm than we see here in the u.s. that we are used to. they are not as cold in the upper levels of the atmosphere. much colder than the surface so you still get the lift and the strong lift with it, but you don't have the cold. so we don't have things like

tornado. you can get hail but it is very unlikely. >> we have a different set of conditions here in the u.s. thank you very much. good morning the danger to my aircraft, i am accountable for that but i move it to get it out of danger. so all i would have done is i'm proceeding to the left, moving away to leave it up to increase

altitude from 32000 to 38,000 feet is also something you wouldn't have done. >> i'm not a popular advocate of moving why airport higher than the operating low be. even as i moved out of the possible icing or anything like that i want a maneuverable aircraft on my aircraft. >> one thing interesting about the debates is you hear of airs you type of -- you hear a lot of the airbus 320 and that is the plane that crash eded. a lot of people say the airbus is made to be pilot-proof. boeing makes a much more pilot

in command aircraft. is there any issue here in terms of when things start going wrong, as clearly they did. and it is hard erer to design an aircraft to be pilot-proof. >> they say we're going to take them out of the envelope. in other words, the pilot on the airbus is a little outside of the control envelope. a pilot in the cockpit, if he wants to take a sharp turn at 45 to 55 degrees -- >> if you're a good pilot you want to be able to stick with

the boeings, but the boeing parts are coming back to the fly-by-wire under airbus. he didn't know what to do because of the throttle positions. >> i want to try to find a way to get into the pilot at this particular point. leland laid out your unanimously. >> people will talk about playing a role on the previous situation, could the pilot have been waiting too long for the change of command to kick in before making any maneuvers up and down? >> there's a large culture difference between the asian nations under the culture. and i would remind you the eags

ic -- korean air was banned from the country because of flight control problems within the cockpit to cause crashes. they just got back in. now, is there something that could have happened inside that aircraft that a cultural program would have occurred with the two pilots? the fact that he got himself too close to a thunderstorm because he requested, my normal request was to keep the mature thunderstorm away from the rain.

so yes they are clear to turn to the left. i'm sorry that's not my game. that's not the game i played for 43 years. i turned to the left and the right that i needed to maintain a safe flight under my guidance not down on the ground. >> jp, i want to ask if this raises a red flag for you. this is something the producers gave us that came out recently. an air worthiness director it talks about the past. in a worst case scenario it cannot be stopped by the sideput up put. does that mean the pilot has no control and the computer takes over? >> yes. they steal protection mode. the aoa is a way of the tactic

indicator. these all preclude a stalled condition. so when you were talking a while ago about the training you got inside of thunderstorms, we have some training and you ride up and down. but the idea is to get you out of the stall in the nose-up passion passion or condition, that's the problem with the overprotection mode predominant in the airbus fly-by-wire control system. >> one thing interesting is that charles touched on this, the explosion in aviation around the world, including here in the united states. there's a huge amount of trains

deld -- they are highly computerized when the plane is being flown, they push buttons. but is there an issue here where the pilots don't know what to do in emergencies? they have not been in the cockpit enough to know when things go wrong to react in the right way? >> you're right. but the fda will will say where the computers failed, can that fie lot pilot stick with the computer? you have an engine and to go

guard, you're right. the airfrance pilots in the 447 crash, that didn't have to push the buttons. the stiff pilot taking off and landing on any route flight one hour 5 hours or 15 minutes is here on the stick. >> meaning the pilot is flying for five minutes, the other part they have is to stake care of the care craft and land the aircraft, unless they have the discipline to say i'm not going to do that. i'm going to stick around to fly the airplane. then you run into a quick access

reporter. the steve -- he was writing, why did you do this? why were you maneuvering in this direction? so you're getting this because there's a philosophy the computer do it safety. >> then until it hits the fan, you want a dinosaur. >> it goes back to that. >> i'll fly with you any day. >> j.p., thank you. >> appreciate it. 42 minutes after the hour. still ahead, families continue to wait for any news on their loves ones aboard the air asia plane that disappeared. and the nypd officers once again turn their backs on mayor

de blasio. we'll tell you what cops need to do and how in the end they will still keep us safe.

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i'm a non-smoker, that feels amazing. ask your doctor if chantix is right for you. that's powerful image. hundreds of police officers turning their backs. the new york city mayor de blasio yesterday spoke at the funeral for officer ramos. at the same time many gathered to protest after a white milwaukee cop was fired. joining us now is milwaukee county sheriff david clark. sheriff, everyone has chimed in on this from the white house to local mayors and i loved your perspective. you seemed to have it just right. what is the biggest

misconception? what is the biggest -- i don't want to say lie, but problem right now that seems to be permeating the air in the press and media? >> well, good morning. let me correct you on something with the milwaukee case with the police officer. he was the -- the individual killed was not simply resisting arrest but beating the milwaukee police officer with the officer's knife stick. a very potentially dangerous and deadly situation. and that's why he was cleared in that case of any criminal wrongdoing. >> why was he forced to resign? >> well, he was not forced to resign. he was fired by the milwaukee police chief ed flynn. i thought that was a little bit quick to come to that conclusion. so it's under appeal right now but as it relates to the other new york case i will not soon forget how the entire profession of policing was trashed by some very powerful people in the united states, including people in the white house and in the

united states department of justice. they sided with criminals and anarchists instead of coming out of the gate to help the law enforcement officers. only when two of new york's lost their finest and killed violently did the rhetoric kind of calm down. now, much is being made about the nypd officers turning their back on mayor de blasio after he threw them under the bus. not only did he throw them under the bus he backed over them again to make sure they stayed down. and then he did it again at the funeral, i understand. that's something that they get to do. that's protective speech by the way. and i find it interesting when it comes to some of the violent, vulgar stuff out of the mouths like al sharpton and other anarchists and criminals, we right away jump to, it's protective and free speech. but when the new york police officers do something very solemnly and symbolic, all of a sudden people use words like, or

phrases like was it appropriate so on and so forth? i didn't hear one new york police officer over the last month that phillip wasn't running, but they chose a more acceptable means by just simply turning their backs. >> sheriff clark, we want to say thanks a lot. we appreciate it. some people believe there's a war against the police officers and i don't think people know how bad they will make the situation. we have to let you go but we appreciate your time this morning. >> thank you very much. >> coming up more on the top story and details on the pilot of the missing plane just coming out this morning. what we know about his experience and if pilot error could actually be to blame.

good morning, everyone. air airasia airline 8501 disappearing on its way to singapore from indonesia. we are learning new details about the pilot. he had over 20,000 hours as a pilot, but only 6,000 with airasia. that's more than we originally thought. he did make a call to air traffic control about weather before the plane went missing. what will finding this plane mean for the investigation? joining us now is air ocean expert tim taylor. thanks for being with us by phone on "fox & friends." >> good morning. >> we know the situation there it's dark over the java sea because it's nightfall. and the weather is not good. how difficult is it going to be to find the wreckage?

>> obviously, weather is the main issue. they're going to have to get out there and look and if weather is hindering them we're back into the same thing as flight 370. time is our big nemesis here. the longer they take to get out there, the more difficult it's going to be. >> and, tim, obviously, as we've been talking all morning about some of the different air crashes that are similar to this, one that comes to mind is the air france crash, atlantic ocean brazil to paris. it took only a couple of days to find wreckage and then there was the issue to find recovery. it was so deep there in the middle of the atlantic ocean and so difficult to not only recover the wreckage, but obviously the black boxes which are so critical. talk to us about this part of the world the java sea in particular in terms of is it very rough is it populated? is it deep? how hard is it going to be to

retrieve the wreckage once they find out where it is. >> well, the java sea has a lot -- is a lot shallower than either of air frances or what flight 370 apparently went down in. so it's a much easier job to search the bottom let's put it that way. that being said, if the wreckage is scattered, if there is wreckage, if it is scattered over miles then it's difficult by those standards. so you -- you have the advantage of java sea being no deeper than a couple hundred feet. so i'm looking at my charts here and, you know, we've got 230 feet at the deepest in a very shallowy area of the world. so the search with the right technology can be done. >> and tim, we're also being told that it's not as wavy, you know, as deeper parts of the pacific ocean. >> yes.

>> and already i think since ships singapore indonesia what's the timeline, weather permitting? could we have answers within the next 12 hours or so on this? >> definitely, once we get daylight and get some eyeballs out there they may find -- assuming this plane went down, assuming they had a weather problem and we're -- they should have debris. and from there they run the pattern back and try to narrow it down to a search pattern on this thing based on the current winds, where she went down and any data that they could pull off with their system. and track down an area to look. deployable equipment nowadays, we have systems i could drop an aez in there in 24 hours and that would be 24 hours getting it there. we have equipment capable of doing that. and it is -- especially at that depth. so -- plus what's on the

location. i'm sure in that area of the world, there are costal engineering companies that have -- >> tim, we're coming up against a hard break. we'll continue to ask you more questions on this. tim taylor, exploration expert.

hi, everyone. good morning. it's sunday, dealing 28 2014. a fox news alert, a packed plane carrying more than 160 people goes missing and now the search by air is suspended. breaking details on what that pilot said just moments before going dark and a live report straight ahead. and the images are heartbreaking. families waiting for answers. arrived on the airport flight status board, there was an ominous message. it said go to counter. so exactly who was on board that airplane airplane? >> and the airbus a-320 is one

of the most po popular planes here in the united states. what else do we know about its safety record? and could you be boarding one today? "fox & friends" starts right now. also get straight to that fox news alert. a search for flight airasia 8501 has been suspended until morning due to bad weather. the plane, packed with 162 people, less than an hour after departing indonesia en route to singapore. now we are hearing from the airline's ceo for the very first time. >> david piper is joining us live in thailand with brand new information on this and what the ceo had to say. david, what's the latest? >> yes, good morning to you. they've held a news conference in the last few minutes. the ceo of air asia tony fernandez, has been speaking

about the pilot. he did say that the pilot radioed in saying that they were facing severe weather and he also spoke about the experience of the pilot of that plane. >> our captain was a very experienced captain. he had flown for over 20,000 hours and approaching 7,000 hours with air asia. with the a-320. >> at the moment the air search for the plane has been suspended because of that bad weather. we do understand some boats are still out at sea looking for that missing plane. the whole region has been pupilbled by rain over the last couple of days. indonesia air traffic control lost contact with the plane about 14 hours ago. the air asia flight was on its way from indonesia to singapore.

it had 162 passengers and crew on board. the airbus was about two hours into its three-hour journey to singapore when it disappeared from radar screens. the search was suspended. airasia said earlier that flight qz8501 had requested what it described as a deviation from the flat path due to bad weather. indonesia's transport ministry said the pilot asked for permission to climb to 38,000 feet to avoid clouds. anxious friends and relatives have gathered for news on the plane and the air search will resume at first tight tomorrow, weather permitting. back to you guys. >> all right, david piper live in thailand.

it disappeared what was the morning there and now it is nightfall. so you have to wait until daybreak to get those planes back up. >> and now, you're looking at air search areas. the air search has been called off due to weather while some folks continue to look for the plane. risk is with us and, rick, what effect does the storm, could it have had on the plane? it sounds as if we are zeroing in on this being a rapidly developing quick shocking major storm. >> a lot of storms in the area, whether or not it was quickly dwooping or not, it's hard to say. one guest earlier said you might be flying in a storm. but if you're flying through rain, you might not realize where a stronger storm is through that, at least getting a

visual cue. so that is one thing. i want to show you this map. a lot going on. so there were definitely storms in the area. but i also want to give everybody an area of where we're talking about. this is indonesia made up of these five larger islands. bali is one we think of just to the east of java right there. the plane was flying from indonesia to malaysia up to the north towards singapore. when the mh 370 plane went down in the south indian ocean, that ocean, up to 15,000 feet deep with all kinds of canyons underneath the water. this area right here on average is about 150 feet deep and most of it is likely just around 50 to 60 feet deep.

so very shallow, any kind of ridges they say can cause little channels. but it's a very stable, shallow area, which means it will be easy to search for any kind of wreckage here. because it's so shallow it does not have large ocean shelves. you have to deal with the winds that come from these thunderstorms stirring that up a little bit. but in general, we're talking about a shallow stable ocean right there that should make this easier, especially for boats to be out on there doing the searching. and the boats will be out during these overnight hours for that. >> we just learned that the pilot has actually 20,000 hours of flying experience, not the 6,000 as we initially thought. that was just 6,000 with the airline. thanks for being with us. >> my pleasure. >> and we'll reset a little bit. this flight fell off the rarity

after making a request to go up from 32,000 feet to 38,000 feet. with this new information about the pilot being experienced does this change anything for you? >> not a whole lot. what he was he countering at the time was something that was totally unknown. he was asking to go up higher, he was asking to make a diversion left of course, and that may tell us he sensed a heavy storm in front of him. it may tell us something different, too. we have to be cautious about that. all signs now are pointing to the fact that this was some kind of a severe weather event that he was trying to avoid. >> 20,000 sounds better than 6,000 or 7,000. but it suggested if somebody had a long-term experience in a boeing plane and started flying an airbus they could panic because of the vast stitcheseses

with respect to controlling the plane. >> and not all hours are actual. some are spent on auto pilot cruising the world. has that given you, made you a better pilot? if you spent a lot of time taking landings and takeoffs perhaps that's the better pilot. >> i want you to outline the differences between the boeing and the airbus and the balance between the cob pick and the computer. >> in the bowl, you have the standard yoke that most planes have. the airbus uses a stick where the pilot can rest his arm there. that side stick does not have the input that the yoke has in the airbus. the boeing, when you push forward, you feel you're pushing the airplane forward.

in the airbus you don't have those kind of thick inputs. >> at the same time, the airbus is famous for saying in many ways they've pilot proofed the airplane. the computer will force the plane to do things not allow you to do others. sometimes truly it is an emergency taking that kind of action in an airbus can sometimes be difficult. it's rarely just one thing that goes wrong but multiple things that go wrong. >> that's correct. >> and what airbus is doing is saying, look, a lot of crashes are caused by what they like to call pilot error. so they're going to take the pilot out of it. but you can't take the pilot out. very much, the pilot is the one last resort with all of their training, with all of their senses that's going to stay with the airplane. very often, that's why a lot of pilots don't like flying the airbus because they don't have the final authority when they need it. >> we'll get a lot of our questions answered when that

block box is recovered if it's recovered. we had an ocean expert on last hour saying we could probably expect some answers in the next 12 hours given the depth of the water there, how much small lower it is compared to other places. i think much of it is about 60 feet to scuba divers. they have the technology to do that. what information will we be able to glean from that black box? >> emergency locator transmitters on the aircraft that may be able to transcend that shallower water. there's two black boxes. one is called a flight data recorder. that's going to tell us what the inputs are that the pilots were giving it just before this happened. the other is the flight voice recorder and that's going to tell us what they were saying to each other a microphone in the cockpit that will tell us what the crew was saying. >> you put those together and then you can come up with the conclusion how much was pilot error, how much was the storm, how those things played out. that gives you the timeline. really, these are the two key pieces that will probably give us most of these answers.

>> certainly we'll get plenty of data from them. what is really important is to look at weather the planes malfunctioned in any way, whether the environment is really the cause here. then what we're going to have is a probable cause for the accident. >> one thing that was interesting and that we've just learned is that the last scheduled maintenance on this aircraft was in november. we're learned about airasia. they have a lot of airplanes, 150 or so of the airbus a-320s. they've ordered a lot more because they're expanding so quickly. can we read anything into, number one, when the maintenance occurred and number two, sort of the best practices of these budget airlines? especially budget airlines oversea wres they don't necessarily have to follow the same regulations, the same training standards that domestic airlines do? most airlines realize, one accident can destroy their entire company. they do maintain very good maintenance. we don't know what type of maintenance was in november.

it was november 16th. it came out of its last maintenance time. but we don't know what that was. some maintenance will be minor points, some maintenance is where they actually take the plane apart and they make major changes to it. so we're not sure exactly what that was yet. when we find that out, that will tell us more about the condition of the airplane as it was flying. >> we've learned that plane was very new. >> four years old. >> a decorated pilot, sal, thank you for your time. >> appreciate your time this morning. coming up on "fox & friends," we continue with our top story. 162 people still missing after airasia flight 8501 made a call for a new flight path. can foul play be a real scenario? we take a close here. plus, former new york mayor rudy giuliani is here. he just spoke with current mayor bill de blasio about this scene where hundreds of police officers turn their back on the

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ago. we are just learning that the pilot had more than 20,000 hours of flying experience. so navigating bad weather shouldn't have been an issue. air crews will join the search for the plane looking in both the water and the surrounding mountain ranges. no americans were on board. this was our top story yesterday. hundreds of nypd officers turning their backs on mayor bill de blasio yet again this time during his speech at the funeral for slain officer rafael ramos. former new york city mayor rudy giuliani had a chance to speak with de blasio at the funeral. what did he say? you've been a tough critic of the current mayor although you've always stopped short of saying he should be removed from office. so how did the conversation go? >> well the conversation was without knowledge of the fact that the police officers turning their back. i was inside the church with the vice president and the governor and none of us knew that the

police officers turned their backs. so it wasn't about that. i expressed my condolences and told him that i feel bad that they're blaming him for the murder, because as a mayor that would beak my heart. i said, you know murders are complicated and i don't hold you responsible. >> did you offer to mediate? >> i've heard before. i've offered before to help, i said if i can help in any way, please call me. i have said from the beginning that he should apologize. and he knows that, of course that i should he should apologize. when i reflect on all the police officers turning thk back, i don't know, as an ex mayor i feel uncomfortable about that that you turn your back on a mayor. on the other hand, i think at this point i have to say he's bringing it on himself. i should have apologized. not for the murder. he is not responsible for the murder. and he shouldn't resign. he's been elected by the people. but he did create an atmosphere

of anti-police bias and feeling for a long, long time. he did it when he ran as a candidate. then he continued to into being mayor. and it's time for him to say i'm sorry maybe i -- auto it's very simple. maybe i had the wrong perception of my police debate. my police department is not a white police department. it's a complete minority. everybody is a minority in the new york city police department. nobody has 50% of the department. if you look closely at that video, you will see african-american police officers turned their back on him. there were police officers from california, police officers from canada, police officers from australia turned their back on him. so he has made this thing go worldwide. >> they turned their back on him at the hospital. >> now police all over the country. >> all over the world. >> there were like 20,000, 30,000 police officers there. >> it shows you how deep seeded this is.

you would have thought they could put their differences aside in loving memory of ramos but it shows you how deep this runs. >> maybe he doesn't understand it, but he did create, from the months that led up to this, and believe me i have no feeling that that led to the murders because i know how -- i've prosecuted murder and i know how complicated it is. but he did create a feeling that police officers are in the main racist and the exception of a good police officer. all he had to say was it's the opposite. the vast majority you should have said i'm very fortunately. i've make of the most diverse officers in the country that have the least amount of racism. that has wonderful record. i believe the statistic is true, the new york city police department fired their gun only 81 times last year.

this is not an out of control, we're not talking about the south in the 1960s. we're talking about guys who grow up asian kids next to a black kid next to a white kid. everybody is familiar whether we all play football with each other, we have friends that are interrational. this is not what he has allowed to be created when he made all those statements about his son. >> you said it. that is how he got elected and i think that's how he thinks he'll stay in office. >> but he has to get it. he has to say i'm sorry. and those comments about his son. i've made those comments to my son. my father used to make those comments to me. if a police officer says whatever he says to you, whether he's right or wrong, do what he says. fvk he used to say, the features are always wrong you're always wrong. >> you turned out pretty well, mr. mayor. coming up we continue our top story this morning.

162 people still missing after airasia flight 8501 vanishes. the pilot requested to change his flight path. could foul play be the real situation here?

this is fox news alert. 24 minutes pft the hour. 162 people are still missing after air asia flight 8501 literally vanished over the pacific. here is the timeline. the pilot asking for a deviation from his flight bath before the plane fell off the rarity. this is brand new video of the search going on. could foul play have been a part of this scenario? let's ask lieutenant general tom

macenerny. we appreciate your time here. as you hear these series of events in terms of the look digs stress call, is foul play a likely scenario here or should we be looking at the weather, pilot error and the mechanics of the airplane? >> based on the information i have, i think it's a weather issue. it's similar to the a-330 accident coming out of south africa years ago, the air flans plane. everything in this is clearly the weather, a pilot trying to dee veteran from some very bad weather. it has his aircraft radar. i've operated in that area for seven years. it can get violent. if you look at that radar map, it is violent, severe thunderstorms. so this is to me a classic. it is not like ma-370 was can which was brilliantly

orchestrated to make it look stealthy. but this is kind of catastrophic event. that's why i'm clearly leaning in the direction of a -- of a catastrophic weather event. >> when people are just waking up this morning, they hear about this is the third incident in that part of the world, you mentioned malaysian 370 that went missing, hasn't surfaced at all, the flight that went down over ukraine and now this one. outline how much they differ from one another. >> clearly in mh-370, there were procedures that the pilot made the airplane disappear from radar, turning the ahars off, turning the ifr off, making a turn -- >> to be clear this is your theory on this on 370, correct? >> yes. and my theory, it never went to the indian ocean.

but that's another story. in the case of the one in the ukraine, that was clearly shot down by a russian surfaced to air missile, clear evidence on that one. this one goes back again to the case of the air france coming out of south america when it got into a severe thunderstorm because of certain characteristics of the airbus where it has fly by wire and the airplane computer does a lot of things and the air crew were not properly trained and they frankly flew the airplane into a stall. i think they've had the training but they obviously got into sh some very severe weather. and i've been in a severe thunderstorm. and you're just riding along updrafts and down drafts. it's nonsoon seen over there. it was violent. that is why i'm clearly leading

into of the three that this is a severe weather understand. >> general, you're a decorated fighter pilot. as you noted, flew in that part of the world which is very different than flying here in the united states. give us a sense, in your opinion, of whether this is simply a catastrophic weather event. we know the pilot asked to go from 32,000 feet to 38,000 feet. is that normal or do you get a sense that in the fine minutes between that call and when this plane dropped off radar, there was some other type of event going on, some kind of pilot error, some type of mechanical difficulties or could this be weather based on having been there and flown through this environment? >> again this is conjecture. but he went through the normal procedures. normally when you get through weather like that, you always hope you can top it out and fly over it. and he did the natural thing that pilots do, request to go from 32,000 up to 38000.

and he won the deviation of course. we do this all the time. he has his own weather craft radar, in which he's trying to wove his way through these thunderstorms. this was a very natural move to me. he's halfway up to singapore now and over the java sea. everything to me is normal as far as how you would handle flying through weather and thunderstorms. >> general, thank you very much. i really appreciate it. >> thank you charlotte. here is what's coming up on the program. our cover aemg continues with two air mines pilots who flew into some nasty weather themselves next, what koovp happened in the tock pick of that plane. she's still the one for you. and cialis for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment is right. cialis is also the only daily ed tablet approved to treat symptoms of bph like needing to go frequently.

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sfwhoo good monk. air asia flight 8501 vanishing over the java sea less than an hour after departing indonesia en route to singapore. severe weather and darkness hampering search crew efforts to find the plane. but some boats are continuing to search. air asia's safety record nearly flawless up until this point. no fatal accidents involving the budget airline. more than 162 people aboard that missing jet. >> we have learned of the 155 passengers on board, 138 are adults 16 children and there was one infant. there are two pilotes and five cabin crew on board that a-320. >> and the vast majority of people aboard are indonesia. there are six foreigners among the passengers including one south korea one british national, once french, one malaysian and one singaporean.

no americans were on board the flight. >> there was an area the pilot tried to avoid by changing flight paths. what role did these storms potentially play? >> it was certainly huge. there's so much weather in there. could have even be difficult to get around it. it's hard to say. you get these kinds of storms and they can have incredibly strong updrafts. it is because it is hotter and more humidity on the surface than it is up above and that air goes up very very quickly. you can potentially have an updraft maybe 80 to 100 miles per hour and it's down draft right past that. this is what planes do when they encounter it. they encounter turbulence. they try to go around that. who knows what is the case here. this is a map that just shows -- if you could pop me on to that map so i can point out a couple of things on here, otherwise that won't make sense. this right here is our wind barbs. and right here that's sumatra.

right about in that area there is where the plane would have gone down. because you don't see these strong lines there those are winds at the surface. they're not very strong. maybe there's still the thunderstorms going on, but if you don't have winds at the surface, that is another reason why you wouldn't have very strong waves at the surface and that means any wreckage or debris on the surface there potentially should be easier to locate. back to the weather maps here, indonesia is part of this very large island chain here. and this plane going from surabaya indonesia, up to singapore and cutting in here towards the java sea. we were just seeing the surface winds rpt very strong. we're talking about shallowness maybe the max is about 200 feet. the average is about 150 feet. these guys this is that beautiful water that you think of when you think about going into indonesia. bali places like that, warm water, very calm water. it's certainly 12 hours out from

this in my mind, depending how the pilot could have landed or crashed his plane, there could be survivors still in this water. there's very, very many things developing. >> we don't want to put that off the table. it's not necessarily wreckage sinking to the java sea. >> right. and if it were to sink, we're talking about sinking maybe a hundred or 200 feet. it's not like the mh-370. >> and this is the same aircraft that sully sullenberger landed on the hudson. >> you hope so. >> gosh we hope so, 162 people on board. airasia flight 8501 vanishing now about 14 hours ago over the pacific. >> the plane reportedly flying in some nasty storms. joining us now, fox contributor robert mark and fox news aviation analyst mike boyd. guys monsoons we know monsoons come all the time in that area.

the pilots in this particular case, the pilot had over 20,000 hours. you know we keep hearing how everything was normal which in my mind makes the whole thing more frightening. what was abnormal? what could have been abnormal about this situation? mike. >> well, weather is never normal. things can happen in the sky. airplanes have been torn out of the sky on the path not very often with weather like this. mistake res maek made and sometimes things aren't seen. so this is a piece of metal in the sky and things can happen. but it happens so rarely that that is why we're on fox news talking about it. >> very interesting point. i want to get your take on this, as well in the sense that most aviation crashes occur in either the landing phase or in the takeoff faces. only about 10% of crashes that occur in normal flight. and this plane was in normal flight. cruise flight 32,000 feet. how many things have to go wrong

in that kind of cect prosecute before you get a crash in a case like this? >> well, i would think not a whole lot. you could have a catastrophic failure with an engine with some of the component of the airplane. that's probable what happened here. something happened that no notification was sent out. but we're not going to know until they find things. and i think speculation is a little rough at this point. >> tell us what could potentially be happening to an aircraft in the middle of a storm. how quickly can a plane's condition deteriorate? >> well, of course the most important aspect of this is that we try to avoid flying in thunderstorms. i've been lucky in my life to only fly in one and thank you that's all i wanted. it can be really jarring. physically, it has enough

strength to tear an airplane apart. we're taught to try to avoid them. we're all going to be looking at what the weather looks like to these pilots before they departed and how it may have changed. it's a very dynamic world. the weather is often not what we expect the it to be even an hour later. >> one last question for you quickly, in the sense we learn air asia's fleet is roughly about 4 1/2 years old a pretty young fleet as it relates to plane, if indeed this plane encountered these catastrophic forces that come from thunderstorms, does metal fatigue play a role in this or as chart pointed out, is the fact that it's a newer plane and we're always trying to save weight and make planes more fuel efficient not as strong? >> the aircraft is designed to with stand many times more than

the pressure they're certified at. as a safety measure, the added safety measures. but there's a limit to everything. everything will break depending on how much stress is put on it and the stress inside the storm can be incredible. >> thank you so much for your time today. we appreciate you offer your experience tease on this story. >> weir going to bring in an faa insider opinion joining us on the form is former faa official scott brenner. thanks for being with us. >> good morning. >> let's talk about the differences. even when we think about temperature, fahrenheit or celsius, kilometers or miles. everything about their training could bow similar but different, right? >> correct. i think you see just a large reliance on automatic pilot and the requirement that pilots use

that automatic pilot more often than probably here in the u.s. and a lot of that is just because as some of your previous guests have said, a lot of your pilot crash is due to air. you try and eliminate the pilot's ability to make incredible inputs into the aircraft. >> so it's a difference in the way our pilots are actually trained? is it not as safe in that part of the world? our viewers may be thinking international travel, is it safe? is it not safe? >> it's incredibly safe. it's the safest mode of travel you can have. but just on the training absolutely i believe our u.s. pilots are very well trained. not only for situations like this, but they also fly the aircraft when they're in the cockpit versus a lot of times -- you know, as soon as those wheels are up a lot of times

they're required to hit that pooh pilot until the wheels come back down again. >> a lot of these accidents incidents have occurred in asia. what about rpgs for procedure, not the cowboy stud i'm not going to wait for someone to tell me to move out of the way. could that play a role also? it's been suggested even before the last 24 hours that there is a distinct difference. >> no, that is a great question. we had an incident out in san francisco a few years ago where the pilot -- or the copilot lined it up perfectly and landed about 20 yards short and busted off the wheels as he came into the sea wall in san francisco. there was a classic example where you had a general pilot, almost afraid to ask the senior pilot if he was on -- force or not. >> and there's been a kumt of

crashes in asia that it has come down to that very issue of whether or not the junior pilot questioned the senior pilot whether the senior pilot is willing to take that advice. so much of the training in the u.s. is how the pilot and copilot worked together to make sure they get up to the safest solution. thanks so much for offering your inside on the big differences culturally and in the way the training goes down. >> absolutely. coming up on fox and friends, our coverage will continue. a rm forenavy pilot will tell us what she would have done inside that cockpit, next.

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the missing asian airliner had over 20,000 hours of flying experience. >> could that pilot have fell too much pressure to ply into danger? we know there was some terrible weather there at the time. leah, start with this in the sense that you have a situation where the pilot makes a radio call saying, i want to go from 32,000 to 38,000. i've got really bad weather. and then off five-minute span, five minutes later, they're gone from rarity. they've been in these situations, you've flown in terrible weather oftentimes in this part of the world. is five minutes what sounds to us like an eternity at 5,000 miles and is it an eternity or does it go by quickly? >> i've never flown in weather like that because i would never fly in weather like that if i had the ability to make the decision not to. i think this goes back to looking at the weather when you're on the ground as a pilot. a lot of times you have pressure

from different entities whether it's your boss essentially. when i was in the navy, my commanding officer saying we knee need to get this flight done or in the case of the airlines, the pressure to make this flight happen. but i have to make the decisions when you're on the ground and take a look at the weather. that weather looks horrible. you have to know what the tops are before he go flying into something like that to see if you can get above that thunderstorm. you do not want to be in the air making a decision about trying to climb above thunderstorms. potentially you can't climb high enough to outrun those thunderstorms. at that point, the only decision you can make is to goc back from where you came from. this happened an hour into a three-hour long flight. so the pilot may have had the opportunity to just turn around and get out of there. the other thing is you don't ask to go higher. you're flying into a thunderstorm you do whatever

you have to do to avoid flying into that. >> because there was no disstrus call made does that tell you the pilots were incapacitated? >> obviously there's a lot of speculation right now to what happened. we won't know for sure until we get the black boxes. but to answer your question i think what it says is they were probably so busy trying to fight that airplane and trying to save it from crashing, not that we know at this point what actually happened to it but if we find out that that is what happened i think we'll find out that they were just trying to fight the airplane. complex airplanes these days, they try to fly for you. and sometimes you can get in the situation where you're very confused as to what is actually happening, an unusual attitude is what we call it where you think you're pulling back and you're doing a spiral the spiral of death. coming up, more on our top

story about the missing airasia flight. tom is going to tell us what he's been through and why he thinks this particular plane has vanished.

there are 162 people still missing after airasia flight

8501 vanished over the pacific. this is video right now of the frantic search that is going on. it's been suspended overnight. the pilot asked for a deviation from his flight path before he went dark, meaning the plane vanished from radar. so there's obviously the question, could foul play be a factor here? let's ask fox news military analyst. general, we appreciate you staying with us. we have seen this scenario the satellite weather image from that part of the world. we know as a decorated fighter pilot you have flown in that part of the world. how is this plane in terms of the weather and thunderstorms as we learn more? >> well the weather picture is of violent thunderstorms out there. that solid red means it is very violent. frankly, i wouldn't have been flying that day with my wing just because the weather is so

bad. what i'm surprised is that air traffic control did not give them deviation ahead of time knowing their flight path route and knowing the weather. most times air traffic control you know turns you 20 degrees or 15 degrees to go around the thunderstorms. it doesn't sound like they did that. that's one of the complicating things. as leah pointed out once he requested that change he probably got into the thunderstorm and he was so busy he and the co-pilot that they're task saturated and didn't have time to make calls and they were trying to fly the airplane. if it was as severe as it sounds like it was, and again i'm speculating, you get in one of those downdrafts or one of those updrafts and you are fighting the airplane and particularly with an airbus because of the fly-by wire and the way it flies you have to be very careful how you do that and know what your situation is and if you get in

an unusual attitude conditions. >> general correct. we do have navy fighter pilot leah gabriel here with us. you have been in panic situations before. you've had engine failure in the middle of the night before. what happens to your decision making process? >> we were talking off air but when you run into a real emergency situation, you know they say that your brain shrinks to the size of a pea. you become task saturated and pilots will always say we're trained to aviate navigate, communicate. aviate means do whatever it takes to keep that airplane flying and from crashing into the ground essentially. it's kind of like getting tunnel vision almost. you really have to kind of control yourself and go back to your training and figure out exactly what you >> that's the big question we've been talking about this whole time is issue of training and difference between training with asian airlines versus american carriers. appreciate you being here. we'll have you stick around. more "fox & friends" coming up next.

the frantic search continuing after airasia flight 8501 vanished over the pacific. 162 people still missing after the pilot asked for a deviation from his original flight path before it went dark. stay with fox news for continuing coverage on this story. >> we, of course have seen all day just how bad the weather was at that time and you just hope there's a miracle and somebody may be there in the water below. >> and continues to be bad as they are searching for wreckage or possible survivors. make it a great day, everyone. we'll start with fox news alert. as we have been reporting this morning that airliner carrying 162 people is missing. this is the second time an airliner vanished in southeast asia this year. this is what we know as of this moment.

airasia 8501. an airbus that took off sunday morning local time fromsurabaya. it vanished from radar on its way to singapore. the final time air traffic control heard from the pilot of that airplane was when he asked to avoid clouds by turning left and going to a higher altitude at 34,000 feet. one minute later officials say the plane disappeared.