hello and well come to justice. i'm judge jeanine pirro. thanks for being with us tonight. he rode in pledging to end the tale of two cities. >> let me be clear. when i said i would take dead aim at the tale of two cities, i meant it. [ applause ] and we will do it. i will honor the faith and the trust you have placed in me and we will give life to the hope of so many in our city. we will succeed as one city.

>> he pledged to end police practices that unfairly target people of color. and one year later, new york continues to be two cities never more divided. right now it is not the best of times, it is the worst of times. and as tens of thousands of police from around the country come to pay respects to officer wenjian liu, assassinated with his partner officer ramos five days before christmas in a city where protesters chanted death to cops, mayor bill de blasio continues his anti-law enforcement agenda. the mayor embarrassed by the actions of police turning their backs to him at the funeral of officer ramos, tries to mend fences with law enforcement. the very group he said he had to train his son to be cautious of because of the dangers that they pose. and within hours of the assassinations, the copycats

start, posting terrorists threats, calling for cold blooded executions of police like this. and one of those copycats, 18-year-old devin coley, a reputed gang member is arrested and charged with a felony. but then released, free to walk out of court, no bail required by brooklyn judge laura johnson. and within two days of that release, the mayor was back to his tale of two cities, continuing the worst of times by reappointing that very brooklyn judge, who freed coley despite the brooklyn prosecution rightfully asking for $250,000 bail. judge johnson, who allowed coley to walk out of court in the nypd threat case was reportedly admonished with an official with the office of court administration who said that

allows no bail in cases with threats to law enforcement are made is simply unacceptable. but this former legal aid society attorney continues her disregard of the law by freeing a man charged with attacking a cop outside a chinese restaurant in brooklyn. and when called on this, the mayor issues a statement that is not only disingenuous, it is factually wrong and misleading. the mayor de blasio sides with the loose judge laura johnson saying bail was almost exclusively about risk of flight. the truth? this dirt bag, devin coley, has a history of not returning to court. he has a history of flight, a history of having warrants issued for failing to return to court. he is the quintessential flight risk. and what you don't know is that coley is already under indictment in two separate

cases. one for robbery and conspiracy and the other indictment for possession of a loaded firearm. did you hear that? criminal possession of a loaded firearm. the same guy who posted a picture of someone shooting a new york city cop in a new york city cop car. the bail statute makes clear that possession of a firearm is specifically included as a criteria of granting bail. and as if that's not enough, when charged with assault in the first degree with a knife, which is the closest thing to attempted murder, he doesn't even come back to court. and of course since he just turned 18, we have no idea what his juvenile record is. and i doubt, mr. mayor, that he turned 18 and immediately escalated into felony crimes. what we do know is that he started with jumping turnstiles, stealing a bike, assaulting people.

although the mayor's office alleged that the judge johnson is a well-respected judge, this truth is this is not the first time she released him on bail. the judge took seriously that there had been a threat to new york law enforcement. her hands for tied. folks, i'm hear to tell you that is pure hogwash. and the mayor said that bail can only be used to ensure a defendant returns to court. ironically, at the same time that the mayor's office says that there was no evidence to suggest that devin coley was a flight risk, a warrant is issued for his arrest for, you guessed it, not appearing in court as part of a plea bargain on a theft conviction. the mayor continues with his two-faced approach to the public. he now says he's going to work to change the bail statutes to empower judges with authority to

have more discretion. what he doesn't seem to mow that accused character reputation habits and criminal record as well as juvenile delinquent record are the criteria to be considered in determining bail. and any judge who knows her way around a courtroom would know that setting no bail in a case like this is not only irresponsible, it amounts to ignoring the rule of law and it is a danger to the community. mr. mayor, this is the worst of times. and we have only one person to blame. and with you at the helm, it remains the winter of despair. and that's my open. tell me what you think on my facebook page or twitter at judge jeanine #justiceopen. brian is outside the wake of officer liu with the latest. brian? >> reporter: judge, all day in the cold and rain, nypd officers and officers from around the

country as far as california and arizona have come here to the funeral home in brooklyn to pay their respects, just 20 minutes away from where officer whennian liu, 32 years old and a seven-year veteran was murdered two weeks ago. earlier this afternoon police commissioner bill bratton and embattled mayor bill de blasio went inside the funeral home for 20 minutes. inside, a somber scene as the officers joined about 30 members of liu's family, his widow noticeably thinner. arriving from southern china when we was just 12 years old, liu always dreamt of becoming a cop, especially inspired after 9/11. new york's governor andrew cuomo had this to say during his visit today. >> young man officer liu, who this was his dream to become an nypd officer, in some ways it's the ultimate assimilation into

america, into new york to become and obviously he was so proud and he was so proud for his whole family. >> reporter: cuomo also called for and end to city wide tensions. last weekend many officers turned their backs on the mayor during officer rafael ramos' funeral. in a department wide memo friday, bratton called the action disrespectful and discouraged it this weekend saying, quote, i understand that emotions are high. i issue no mandates and idiscip. but i remind you are bound. by the tradition, on honor and decency that goes with it. de blasio is set to speak tomorrow at liu's funeral at 11:00 a.m. we'll see how the officers respond then. >> with me now former new york police commissioner and milwaukee county sheriff david clark. thank you for being here this evening. i'm going to start with you bernie. the whole idea of this judge

allowing this devin coley who makes this terroristic threat which is a d felony which allows for seven years incarceration to walk is to me, an outrage. am i wrong in. >> it's absurd. i think the one thing in your opening statement, he is a danger to the community. it's apparent. not to mention the fact that he can't come back to court. he's been missing in action. they're issuing these warrants for him. that in itself is reason enough. the flight risk is reason enough. but the gun possession, the threats on the cops. he is a danger to the community and i don't understand how a judge doesn't see that. >> well, you know, here's a judge who released him before without bail. and then you've got the mayor who comes out and says, he's not a flight risk, when all you have to do is a little digging as i did. i've got the guy with three

felonies in the last few months since he turned 18. he's under indictment for two right now. he'll be under indictment for three. there have been two bench warrants issued for him. i mean, sheriff clark, i know you're from milwaukee, but does this make sense to you? >> no. we see the same thing in milwaukee. this is why we have the repeat criminal behavior, the patterns. because this individuals are sent a message by this judge. i heard de blasio say she's well-respected. i thought by who. when these individuals come out and they get slapped on the wrist for this felonious conduct, it sends the message that they're not going to be adequately punished and they go out and create the same crime. >> one of the criteria involves the principle history of use or possession of a firearm. this kid is charged with a possession of a loaded firearm. don't give me the hogwash he wasn't convicted yet. should we wait until he's convicted and then come back and

say this should have been considered. the imagine is that he shows a guy shooting a cop with a firearm. >> the other thing is that i think you brought out in your statement, i really want to know what he's been through in the past. he didn't just start this behavior at 18 years old. i'm sure there's something prior to his 18th birthday. and it would be interesting to see what that is. >> well the bail statute says you should look at the juvenile record and she released him so quickly i'm sure she didn't look at that record. >> she didn't even look at the record as it stands. >> the real record, yeah, the criminal. >> part of the bail, too, the judge is a little wrong in that. they can consider the seriousness of the crime that they're setting the bail for, not just to ensure that they will return back to court. but the thing that angers me these types of decisions, the people who make these decisions, judge, when this guy goes out and repeats that felonious conduct and finally takes somebody's life, all right, it's

going to be somebody in the community. it didn't going to be the judge. it's not going to be her family or his family. it's going to be somebody else who -- you know, we had the chance to get the guy off the street and we won't do what we need to do to protect the community. it's always the best interest of the criminal and it's never the best interest of the community. i think it's been a one-way street for a long time and we can see the crime that goes on. you watch the sky rates start to skyrocket with these types of decisions. >> sheriff clark and commissioner kerik stay with us. more on the growing threats to police across the nation. and vote in tonight's instapoll. we want to know what your new year's resolution is for 2015. facebook or tweet me at judge jeanine. #justice on fox. patented sonic technology with up to 27% more brush movements. get healthier gums in two weeks. innovation and you philips sonicare save when you give philips sonicare this holiday season.

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former new york police commissioner bernie kerik is back with me. i'll go to you have clark. you flew in from milwaukee and you waebt to the wake today, officer liu's wake. what was it like there. >> the toughest thing that any law enforcement executive will make. i met the family. the mother gave me a hug. she doesn't know where milwaukee is but she saw the uniform and she knows the fraternity this is. every law enforcement officer in america dies a little bit along with them. >> there's no question about it. and bernie, you and i have stood at some of these wakes. they're powerful in terms of the pain that is felt by everyone. >> it's painful for everyone. i mean, you know, i buried 23 cops in the aftermath of 9/11. as the sheriff said, a piece of you dies with every one of those. and every cop in this country feels it when you -- look, he's here from milwaukee.

you have people here from all over the country right now visiting and attending the wake and the funeral tomorrow. >> tens of thousands. let me ask you, gentlemen, you know, bill bratton, the police commissioner has sent a memo out and i understand has indicated to, you know, the officers that they should not turn their backs on de blasio, the mayor, who many believe is partly responsible for this, this atmosphere of hate that exists toward law enforcement and very much a part of what occurred in the shooting of officers liu and ramos. do you think that the police, if they feel that they don't want to look at de blasio or that he has let them down should turn their backs or have the right to turn their backs? >> unequivocally. i support what they did. look, the mayor threw them under the bus to score some cheep political points. he's an opportunist. he scored political capital out of doing that with certain

segments of new york. now that he's facing the heat for it, i get a kick, i really do, how people are asking the police to do something more appropriate and that the police behavior of turning their back is disrespectful. but no one said anything to de blasio. turning your back and booing is protected speech. >> but they didn't boo. they were very quiet, very peaceful, turned their backs and at the end of the day, you know, they have a right to express themselves. they're the ones that go out every day and put their lives on the line. >> it's okay for the peaceful protesters to stand out there and call for the killing of cops. >> isn't it interesting how de blasio says that that's protected speech, chanting for the killing of cops but the police are not allowed to turn their backs on the mayor. you know, bill bratton is in an interesting position, the police commissioner. and that first night i remember you were here, bernie, and i

said he has a decision to make. is he police commissioner for new york city or police commissioner for the mayor. >> he's between a rock and a hard place. you can tell by his body language, he's real uncomfortable with this situation. the bill bratton i know would have come out strong in terms of people attacking the police, the anti-police bias so on and so forth. but now where this different kind of mayor that he served under, i can tell he's uncomfortable. but he chose to come back and now he's going to have to deal with this. but in the end he better make sure he's sending a message to his cops that that's whoegs back he has. >> i couldn't agree more. i think he is uncomfortable. >> he's got to be. you know him as well as i do. i know him real well. and you know, i've said he was the architect of crime reduction, one of the best

police commissioners in new york that they had ever. he came back to this job wanting to run the nypd. but he works for a mayor that does not support the cops out there. and that's difficult for him. >> so what do we see going forward? what happens in the future? there's talk of a slowdown. i mean there's talk of -- that day that it happened, the double assassination occurred, there was a memo that went out and said there's in arrests to be made unless you've got a backup. only because, what the public doesn't understand, the police were worried. they didn't want to get ambushed. >> i've seen some of the coverage by the new york post and the times saying that there was a slowdown, a work stoppage and all of that stuff. the reality is you've got thousands of cops chasing around peaceful protesters being pulled off of other assignments. that area where there had been a diminishment of the numbers, that area is flooded with cops as a result of the

assassination. making the judgment call that the stats are low, i think it's premature. i think you have to wait and see. cops are at a tipping point right now. they have more honor than to engage in an orchestrated slowdown. what's going to suffer is self initiated police work. some of the bestwork comes not from a call from service but from self initiation. but they're going to do less of that because when they get into these situations they feel these things can go to crap in a hurry. now as this administration, the political animal is going to have my back, right now they're not feeling that. once it's turned off it's going to be very difficult to turn that back on. >> i think you make a good point. i wouldn't want to go in front of a grnl even for a justified homicide these days. >> that's exactly what we were talking about last night. they're going to respond but are they going to go out on their own? i don't know. >> thanks so much for being with us this evening. coming up, president obama says race relations are just fine and that the country is

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is the united states more racially divided than it was when you took office six years ago, mr. president?

>> no. i actually think that it's probably in its day-to-day interactions less racially divided. >> that's president obama saying he believes the country is less racially divided than when he took office. the majority of americans beg to disagree. mr. president, in a recent fox news poll, over 62% of americans say that race relations are actually worse since you took office. liberal radio show host coco sudak joins me. do you think that race relations are not worse since the president took office? >> judge, i think we're going to agree here. i think race relations are much worse from the time he took office until now. although i think the reasons we'll probably disagree about. >> well, what reasons would you think they are worse? >> well i think that first of all i think a lot of people

can't handle a black president. and i think the president should have addressed that. >> coco stop that. the white people elected this president. stop it. he couldn't have gotten elected on just african american votes and you know it. >> but those are the people who are upset. the people who voted him love the guy. it's everybody else. it's the people who didn't vote for him and they're having a hard time with a black president. >> who are the people who are protesting? they're not -- they are primarily african americans who believe that law enforcement is there not to protect them but to harm them. >> right. and i applaud the protesters. i think what they're doing, what they're doing is forcing a dialogue about the way that black lives are viewed and the value that's placed on black lives that in a lot of cases is less than what is placed on white lives. i think them bringing that idea, that important idea out into the open is the greatest thing we could be doing for race relations right now. >> you now what's interesting is we've got an african american

president, coco who has done in for african americans in terms of the economy and buying homes. they're worse off than they've been in years. and yet he wants to blame law enforcement. and i think this is where you and i clearly subject. he has the ability to change lives and instead he is dividing people. >> look, i'm not -- i can't defend president obama on race. he's been very disappointing and i love this president. >> okay. >> but on the other hand, he's no, ma'am not blaming -- he's not blaming the police on some people's economic misfortune. that's not happening. >> he is blaming the police for all of the wrongs that occurred to the african americans in this country starting with ferguson and sending eric holder directly to ferguson but james foley gets beheaded and he's too busy playing golf. in california a law goes into effect where if you're an

illegal you get a license. i'll bet that you think that is a good thing. >> i think it's a great thing. >> why? >> i think it's a great moment for reality and safe, public safety and also economic health. look, there are people -- we are the greatest country on earth. and because of that we have a lot of people here who are undocumented. okay? and our congress can't seem to get their act together to do something about it. and so we have this problem in the immigration system. >> yeah, the problem is illegals coming here and now we want to give them a license to drive. here are the statistics. in california 4.1 million uninsured motorists are uninsured and the state officials are saying that the big chunk of those uninsured there the undocumented. what makes us think if they came here illegally they're now licensed and are going to run out and get insurance that's the perfect question, right? that's the question. and the answer is this.

because they now have an opportunity to go get a driver's license and to get car insurance where they couldn't get it before. and the stakes for them getting pulled over as an undocumented unlicensed driver were huge. they would lose their car, lose money and their freedom. now at least they have a license to drive. >> they have a license to drive so they can go to work, right? so that they can go work and have a job? >> so that they can take their kids to school and so that they can get education and go shop in our stores and so they can be part of the fabric of america. >> you know why you didn't say get a job? because it's illegal for an employer to hire someone that's illegal. one of the arguments they're making is they need a car to say can drive to work. >> yes. >> you can't hire them. why do they need a car. >> i'm sympathetic. i'm a lawyer. i love the law. i don't love a law that helps other people break the law. >> if you love it, you should

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live from america's news headquarters. the trial of boston marathon bombing support tsarnaev will begin with jury selection monday. the first u.s. circuit court of appeals today refusing to delay or move the trial out of boston. 1200 potential jurors have been summons. tsarnaev entered 30 not guilty pleas to the charges he faces in connection with the bombing. if convicted he could face the deft penalty. former chute senator edward brook has died. he was the first black elected to the u.s. senate by popular vote serving two terms starting

in 1966. brook was a liberal republican and said he was thankful that he lived to see barack obama become the country's first black president. brook was 95. now back to "justice" with judge jeanine. the white house moving full speed ahead with their plan to whittle down the prisoner population in gitmo in per suit of ultimately closing that prison. president obama has just released five more detainees. and he's transferring home the central asian nation of cassic stan. so why does the president want to close gitmo? with me now, fox news contributor john bollton, one of our favorites. why does he want to release these people? >> well it's been an i'd logical obsession of the president from the days of his campaign in 2008. you know, he doesn't believe we should have a war on terror.

he thinks it should be treated as a law enforcement matter. and gitmo is a symbol that his predecessor at least was waging a real war on terror. >> i don't want to interrupt you but you say he wants to treat it as law enforcement. be my guest. try them for something. don't just release them. >> yeah. well, it goes beyond that because he's not simply turning them over to prison facilities in other countries. he's basically letting them go. and i think in addition to the etiological -- it's six years that he ordered gitmo closed in one year. it's a palpable failure of his administration. i think there's something deeper. i think this is a prerequisite of the president actually turning gitmo back other to cuba. >> all right. well, let's talk about the fact, ambassador, that the people that are still there were deemed the most dangerous. that's why they're the last to

leave. and now as we release them, we don't have any holds on any of them, correct? >> correct. and i think the recidivism ralth is high. that's the problem with trying them. you don't collect evidence on a battlefield the way you do at a crime scene. the reason these people are here and not tried as enemy combatants is because they were engaged on attacks in the united states or putting american troops in danger in ways that we probably partially blown up already. >> well, you know, i must tell you that there are those who say former u.s. attorneys who say that many of them could have been tried but that their suggestions were rejected by the white house. but there is some sound from the president, i think we have it, on a -- i'd like you to listen to this. >> is there any scenario under which you can envision in your final two yeeshs opening a u.s. embassy in teheran?

>> i never say never. but i think these things have to go in steps. >> okay. opening an embassy in teheran. >> it was a dead give away. there are on two steps here. one, sign a bad nuclear deal with iran which she's desperately trying to do, step two, open the embassy. outs not just because of the nuclear threat that iran proses should preclude that deposit matt diplomatic. -- they've been the chief financer. iran is the pair dime of a state sponsor of terrorism and we should no more recognize a regime like that than we should turn these prisoners loose from gitmo. >> what do we get for it, though? aren't we in a position to at least ask for something? i mean not the economic sanctions but the nuclear

ramping up? we're just allowing them to do it. >> well, i think that's an important point. apart from the etiological mistakes he's making, he has to be the world's worst negotiator. i wouldn't ask this guy to fix a parking ticket for me. odes probably end up with multiple life sentences. he doesn't negotiate. he doesn't bargain. he's doing a bad job with iran. >> very frustrating. thank you very much, ambassador. with me now, steve emerson founder of the investigator project. we have disturbing new information that isis is creating the next generation of terrorists by recruiting young moms, teaching them to raise jihadi babies, showing them thou

use ak 47, desensitizing them to violence, teaching them the importance of allowing their children to see people being murdered. how do we fight that? >> well, look, i mean, fighting isis -- this is part of fighting isis. it's part of fighting radical islam. al qaeda, hamas, all use women as terrorists. it's really nothing new. what's new here is that they're basically exploiting mothers to raise their children. and it's playing well in the western media. the bottom line here is that this is nothing new under the sun, judge. what's new here is the fact that we're reacting as if it's new. it's like the front page of the "the new york times" this past week has the top general saying, we don't really understand isis, we don't understand what motivates them. we have to understand them as if they need a psychiatrist. bottom line here, they're motivated by radical islamic

theology. it didn't take much to understand what motivated the nazis. is isis raising a new generation? absolutely. so are all of the other groups that belong to the spectrum. >> but my question, steve, is that they're doing this. what are we doing to confront it? as these children are kbg raised to hate us, to kill us, i don't care what their motivation is, that is the context within which their lives are occurring. and you can see there a screen of a kid with what looks like an ak 47, yeah, an ak 47. what are we doing other than spoiling our kids and, you know, giving them more iphones? >> well, you raise a good point. because discussions has always been how do we -- in the west, in the united states in particular, develop a counter narrative, that's the term, to basically neutralize the al qaeda or the isis point of view.

bottom line is there's no count are narrative that the west can develop. we can beat them by destroying them. the real problem is we're embraci embracing politically, basically appealing to isis, developing a motivation to isis to fight the west by spreading the message this there's a war against islam. we are embracing those groups that spread it into the white house and into the public policy organizations throughout the united states. >> and not to mention the release of terrorists from gitmo, those who were being released now, no conditions, no, you know restrictions. the worst of the worst. reducing our military. we've got hillary clinton, she's a front runner to run for president of the democrat party saying we need to understand and empathize with our enemy. we're in for a real dark days. >> we have been.

and you know, we've embraced turkey despite the fact that it's been a safe haip fhaven fo hamas to carry out attacks against friends of our. number two, we've embraced cut wer the number one financial supporter of terrorism. three, weave basically distanced ourselves from egypt and embraced the muslim brotherhood. just a week before christmas the u.s. state department met with front groups for the muslim brotherhood to basically stop the designation of those groups as terrorists organizations. we should have designated home terrorists groups. you look at all fronts here, it's really amazing what's going on. >> what amazes me is that egypt stood up and said, 35 million strong, we don't want the muslim brotherhood. and we allow them to integrate the government, the white house, to meet at the highest levels.

what does it say about where this country is headed? >> it says very bad thing unfortunately. and it says we, as a country, unfortunately have embraced the worst type of politically totalitarian groups under the guise of multiculturalism, under the guise of their deception, their deceit in fooling us into thinking that they're democratic, open, that generally they're e gal tarn. these islamist groups are minaj niss. thaup ear to tail tarn, they're racists, terrorists and we shouldn't be afraid to say that. and designate them as such. >> and you never are steve emerson. thanks so much. all right. coming up, so many americans captured overseas, does the united states policy of no ran some for our citizens need to change? an american hiker that was

actually held captive in iran for more than two years is here next to weigh in.

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in 2014 we saw the horrific beheadings of americans and other westerners by islamic terrorists. these barbaric acts have sparked a controversial debate. does the united states policy of no ran some for our citizens need to change? my next guest has a unique

perspective on the topic. he's an american who was held captive in iran for more than two years. with me now, joshua fatale. all right, first of all it's great to have you here. and we are thrilled to be able to talk to you. as much as i would like to talk about what happened when you were in iran, very quickly, you were captured in 2009 and released in 2011. >> correct. >> okay. so you were there for two years. >> a little over. >> what were the conditions of your release, if any? >> the conditions was that i was released to the right hand man of the sultan of iman. they work to release me through this third party. through international pressure and human rights pressure and the u.s. diplomacy through iman, they worked the diplomatic angles and got me free. >> okay. >> it was this diplomacy, this way of back channel working that

enabled me to fly on the sultan's jet over the persian gulf and get free and end up back in new york. i'll tell you, it was -- it's this diplomacy in 2011 that allowed now this nuclear agreement. this led the path way toward the nuclear agreement between the u.s. and iran. and now i ran has less nuclear capacity than it did in 2011. and if we follow the next several weeks i'm sure they're going to have less capacity as the deal unfolds. >> i think there are some people who would disagree with you on that nuclear capacity issue. but be that as it may. you're in prison for two years in iran. first of all, what were you doing there? >> so i was there visiting friends who were journalists in the middle east. this is in 2009 preisis and everything. what happened was, is that we were near the border when the border guards kept us and

detained us and used us as political hostages. since then, because of the political vacuum that the u.s. created with the war in iraq, because the u.s. put in a prime minister and called a democracy that became sectarian, because the u.s. had army gear used by isis and supported sunni generals, they created the conditions that allowed isis to flourish. because of this, because of this we have this situation where hostages get taken. like i was taken be i iran. but now we see with isis. and as people get taken, we have to think that the u.s. government responsibility, as it was with me and as what we see in cuba. the u.s. government responsibility should be to try to free hostages who are taken by other governments because they -- because those -- we now are at risk because of our government. >> all americans are at risk. here's the question that i have. you were released. you are sitting here.

and you look fine to me. >> thank god. >> a little thin. but here's the question. why are we not using whatever political leverage -- >> woirnd the same. >> -- to allow a jam foley to not be beheaded as well as the other hostages. >> i agree. as long as the u.s. is bailing out banks and corporate ceos as the auto manufacturers, for these things they should bail out citizens and journalists. >> why do you think they're not doing that. >> i'll agree with you. they get into conditions where the government is making it more dangerous for them. but they are actually doing it. >> they did it for you. >> they didn't do with isis. this is the problem. they didn't do it with isis. >> do you think we should pay isis the ran some they want to get americans back? >> they've done it with me and they've down it now with -- >> did we pay for you? >> look at me. >> the country of iman paid $500,000 for me and $500,000 for my two friends who were in prison with me. >> why? >> and they did that because --

>> why? >> -- they were looking at a relationship with iran that developed in this limiting of iranian -- >> what you're saying is that the american government can leverage o other countries to pay for the ransome for hostages. that's what happened with you? yes? >> yes. look what happened with cuba. as the u.s. is making this -- u.s. has not negotiated with cuba and created a prisoner swap. that has helped save american lives. it's negotiated with another country that pretty much reversed over five decades of a failed policy. by thinking about these hostages not only -- as people that the government is responsible for and it should take these efforts, diplomatic efforts, efforts at ransom to say that the government has been over decades -- >> quickly. we're coming to an end. did you ever think you might not get out? >> it was a possibility. i didn't know what was going to

happen. i knew that my detention was part of u.s. support of the cia the cold war. >> great talking to you and i'm glad you are back. >> thank you so much. >> i talk to the wife of an american pastor held captive in iran who says our government needs to act now. and i want to know what your new year's resolution is for 2015. facebook or tweet me @judgejeanine.

. a pastor has been held captive in iran for two years and the family is pleading with the u.s. government to do whatever they can to get him home. joining me now is his wife as well as jay from the american center of justice what have you done to get your husband back to the united states? >> we have just passed the third christmas and new year without him. he is suffering. his health is deteriorating in one of the worst prisons in the

world. >> did you hear my other guest who was on set with me? how did it make you feel to hear he was held in iran and released as the result of a deal where the country of oman paid for his release? >> i think jake and talking to that more better but it's i do hope this is a new year, i'm hoping our government will take efforts to bring said home. he is a convert christian. and i think our government needs to, as president obama has said, leave no man behind. this is a chance for iran to show good-faith effort. i think iran's on the -- iran is the one who needs to show the u.s. we can trust them by releasing my husband who has been held hostage.

>> and as we look at the picture there. your two children are only getting older as your husband sits in custody in iran. >> jay, what is your position? i mean, the u.s. has this no ransom policy. and yet we see bowe bergdahl relieved for five of the worst terrorists and other deals where there are under the table deals and money through a third party. what's going on, jay in? >> we paid a ransom. the u.s. government paid a ransom of $4.7 billion when we released the sanctions to get the iranians to sit down at a table and talk with us. the whole discussion about ransom. what did we get in return for that? we didn't get the release of her husband or other americans that are held captives. we got the iranians to the table. i think we have -- as a judges

you know this, words are important here. the united states as a confidence-building measure means getting something to move forward, lifts sanctions off the iranians and we are getting nothing in return including our over american citizens released a civilian non-military who is an american pastor held in jail. we give ransoms. who are we kidding? >> i think everyone knows there are all kinds of a deal. why is it james foley behead ed but the europeans pay the ransom and go home. why is bergdahl being released for -- traded for five terrorists why not a man who is a good citizen and has done

nothing wrong? >> the europeans although they are a threat to groups like isis, the fact of the matter is, the united states is still the big enemy. the reason they go after u.s. citizens is they feel it gives them a stronger negotiating point and it creates a situation where the reaction when you had the beheading of james foley it repulsed everyone. james foley is one example of thousands of those who are beheaded, crucified and killed in the month of november and december by these groups. that is one person and now you have a situation where there have been thousands. how do we contain -- not just contain but eliminate this threat. we have americans -- think about this, judge, we are sitting across the table from the iranians. and the father of those two kids

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♪ >> and now, john stossel. and now, john stossel. >> another year government got bigger. it grew faster than inflation and almost always grows faster than inflation. it has to grow. there is so much we need to do. cut spending? no, we can't do that. the budget's already cut to the bone. what? they spent nearly $4 trillion this year. that's not bone, that's fat. tonight we look back at some of my attempts to tell the truth and the truth is the budget is so crammed with junk it reminds me of this