see what innovators bring us in 2015. it's good to live in america. that's stossel's show tonight. he'll be back this time next week. it's a brand-new year, and the president says he's actually going to try to work with congress in 2015. i wonder how long before he breaks his new year's resolution. and some prisoners released from gitmo go back to being terrorists. but over the christmas break the administration let a bunch of them go anyway. what's up with that? plus, some gloomy news for a church glee camp program. but they're not going to give in without a fight. all of that and an important announcement that you don't want to miss tonight on "huckabee." and welcome to "huckabee" from the fox news studios in new york. the front page of friday's "wall street journal" was a story about white house officials indicating that president obama

was planning on doing less by executive order in the coming year and instead working through the normal processes of negotiating with congress. what a novel idea. a president, after six years in office, suddenly discovering the constitutional process of legislation that involves all three branches of government. look, i hope it's true. but if past performance is an indicator of future performance, i've got no reason to be overly optimistic. my own frustration with president obama isn't merely the dramatically different point of view that i have with him between his liberal views and my conservative ones. it's as much with his squandering the opportunity that he had to do what he said he would do when campaigning for the job back in 2008. and that's to bring a new level of civility and bipartisanship to the process. academia calls this study of politics political science. but real politics, it's not science. it's art. the science would mean things

are pretty cut and dried and that rigid laws like the law of gravity or relativity or the law of motion would be enforced. governing is nothing like that. governing is a true art. and while one may apply principles to the process, no two days are alike. to two legislative bodies are alike. and no two issues are alike. quite frankly, governing is hard work. it requires the patience of job, the strength of sampson, the courage of david, the perseverance of noah the intellect of paul, the wisdom of salomon and the forgiveness of jesus. and there is no substitute for time spent building relationships with people who don't like you and who don't want to work with you. in the words of that great political philosopher mick jagger, you can't always get what you want. and if you think it's all or nothing, now or never, you're going to get nothing, and you'll get it forever. now, governing doesn't mean compromising core values, but it

does mean working toward consensus instead of outright conquest. the current climate in washington is geared toward a winner-take-all mindset. and under that view, there are very few winners and lots of losers. and especially the american people. i became a governor in 1996 and inherited a legislature made up of 89 democrats to 11 republicans in the house and 31 democrats to only 4 republicans in the senate. of the 7 statewide constitutional officers i was the only republican. it was by far the most lobsided legislature in the country. more than massachusetts maine vermont, or even california. but as dylan environment as it was, it really was a blessing. because in such an atmosphere, over the next 10 1/2 years, i learned how to govern. getting tax cuts shrinking the executive branch reforming welfare and education fighting long entrenched corruption and

passing substantial protections for human life weren't easy. and yet learning how to do it was incredibly valuable. it means taking your disagreements with legislative leaders into private and not trying to negotiate on the front pages of the newspapers. it also means not gloating when you win and not pouting when you lose. it means behaving like an adult. now, we haven't seen much of that out of washington. but i would welcome the approach. so here's hoping that in the new year of 2015 we see the fine art of governing. and if not, i'll say what parents often say to their kids. don't make me come up there. so how realistic is the president's plan to work with congress? joining me now is jessica tarlov, democratic pollster and senior political strategist for consulting and ed, former adviser to jon huntsman's

presidential campaign, and president of the tripp, scott law firm. ed, jessica good to see you guys. thanks for joining me today. >> thanks for having us. >> let's talk about realistically, is congress and the president going to find the moment to smoke the peace pipe and get this thing acting like a government again? jessica, what say you? >> i say yea, yes. i think it's absolutely possible. i think that the new year it's a new attitude. the president has a lot to lose right? he only has two years left. and realistically, what ten months to a year in which he can get anything done. and i understand there have been executive actions that felt, you know, to the gop and to many americans like he wasn't listening and he didn't care and he was going to do what he wanted, but i don't think he wants that to be his legacy. and i think we are going to see some cooperation. >> i mean, there's a lot of rancor in the air and it's not been made better when the president goes out and makes

speeches and basically demonizes the republicans. there's no trust on either side toward the other side. ed, how let's say optimistic are you that the president really means this and he says look, i'm going to start working with the congress? do you believe it? >> well, it's a new year-hope springs eternal. and i think that parties could work together if we find democrats who truly believe say like john f. kennedy believed that when you release money from taxation and people can invest and produce jobs and add salaries and grow the american economy, we find democrats like that there will be a great amount of bipartisan effort. >> you know, it seems like leadership has often stalled a lot of the process both at the executive level and the congressional level. jessica, let's talk about some of the specific issues that you honestly think the president and congress could work toward, end up with some solutions. >> i definitely think immigration. i mean, even including what happened with the executive order. i mean this is an issue the american people are united on.

i mean, they want -- >> united in what way? >> that they are for immigration reform, if we secure the border first. >> okay. that's an important part yes. >>ist a two-step process. and i don't think that most democrats would disagree with that. no one wants an open border. it's not healthy. it's not good. so if we secure the border, then we can talk about a halfway to citizenship. and i think both sides would be happy with that. >> tell me some democrats you think will emerge in a leadership role in this next congress coming up. >> i think chuck schumer for sure. >> mm-hmm. >> i mean, i think the california ladies. i think that we're going to see a lot of you know, the same voices -- but really the president himself. i think he's going to be a lot more vocal. we've already seen that. i mean he said he's going to be out on the trail more. he's going to be going around -- he doesn't need to win another election for himself, so he's going to go out and explain to the american people face to face why we need immigration reform. why obamacare is good for america. >> you know, i get the going on the trail, but it seems to me that one of the things the president has not done is spend

some time working person to person, face to face, behind closed doors with members of congress members of the opposition. you can't win those battles out on the trail. you've got to take it inside that private room. ed, will the president do that this time? >> i don't believe so, but i do think that we've got to think about it this way. if we start to talk about comprehensive reform or sweeping reform, we're going to be disappointed. i thisnk that incrementally, we could make some progress today. so immigration, securitizing the border i think is certainly something that the parties could work to. or increasing the speed of visas for s.t.e.m. degree holders to fill jobs that are open in america. so those are things that we could work on. keystone pipeline is another one. i think produces jobs. talks about -- focuses on jobs those kinds of things, tax reform. i think we should roll back payroll tax again give small business an opportunity to participate in the economic recovery. >> payroll tax rollback means that there's instant cash in the pockets of working people.

i mean it's an immediate input to the pockets of the people who are working on an hourly wage. >> it rewards people who are working, and that's important that we need to send that signal, too, that they have a couple extra dollars to go out and spend, spend on their families, save and invest. >> sorry for the interruption, but, i mean, also raising the minimum wage is a way we know these people are going to have a couple extra dollars in their pockets literally. i'm not saying we need to jump to $10.10 an hour but we can't have a conversation about incrementally increasing it. we have 20 states that have increased minimum wage. we can use them as a test case. the economy is doing so much better than it was in 2009 which we had our last minimum wage increase. why can't we have that on a federal level as well? >> real quickly, we only have a minute left. i want to get to obamacare because i think everybody expected there was going to be some reforms to that with the republican congress. a lot of things aren't working real well. people are paying more. deductibles and premiums are higher. 30 seconds or less, what ung do the president and congress can

accomplish in dealing with obamacare? >> take out the medical device tax. just get rid of it. maybe tweak it around the edges. i don't see president obama ever conceding a way -- a full repeal of obamacare. it has his name after all governor. >> jessica? >> medical device tax, i'm with you there. but what i think that can be done is also purchasing insurance across state lines, tort reform. but also splapexplaining things better. this is a man who became famous for the way that he talks, right, and for his ideas. and we need to get back to a time like the 2004 dnc conference where we hear who president obama is. the state of the union coming up in a couple weeks and i think we'll see him shine there and articulate why universal health care is good for the country. >> ed, jessica, great to have you both here. i'm going to be anxious to see during the state of the union if there's a conciliatory attorney or here's another, i guess, lighted match thrown into the gas tank. it's going to be fun to watch. >> it will be interesting to see. >> it will be.

>> great to have you guys. happy new year. >> happy new year to you. while you were busy wrapping your christmas presents the obama administration gave some terrorists in gitmo an early christmas present. he sent them home to afghanistan. so up next, the new year going to bring the closing of the gitmo bay defensing facility has always been on the president's wish list. we'll talk about that when we come back. list. we'll talk about that when we come back. [ shutter clicks ] hi there! [ laughs ] i'm flo! i know! i'm going to get you your rental car. this is so ridiculous. we're going to manage your entire repair process from paperwork to pickup, okay little tiny baby? your car is ready, and your repairs are guaranteed for as long as you own it. the progressive service center -- a real place, where we really manage your claim from start to finish. really. ♪ easy as easy can be ♪ bye!

one of the stories that slipped under the radar while folks in washington were away for the holidays was the transfer of four terror suspects from gitmo. they were flown to afghanistan on december the 20th. and another five that were sent to kazakhstan on the 30th. now the total number of prisoners left in gitmo is just

127. and even more of the people there are expected to be released this year. joining me now is fox news contributor and ceo of concerned veterans for america and pete was actually stationed at one time at gitmo. pete, welcome. it's good to have you here. >> thanks for having me, governor. >> let's talk about these guys that are being released from gitmo. who are they? >> well at this point we're releasing -- nobody is being released is low risk. these are all medium or high-risk detainees as assessed by our intelligence services. the nine that were released during the holidays, again, all of them at some point were deemed very high risk in the united states of america. it's helpful to use a couple examples. on december 20th one of the four that was released his name is muhammed zawahiri he was released back to afghanistan. he was a trafficker in stinger missiles the type that take down airliners. he was also found with a small amount of nuclear materiel with the desire to build a nuclear device. he was a high-level taliban intelligence officer with heavy connections to the highest

levels of the taliban directorate. and he was risked as i said he was listed as high risk and a high intelligence value. he's still in touch with a lot of folks in afghanistan today. and that's exactly where we're sending him to with limited controls. a second great example is from december 30th, this group that was released to kazakhstan. abdel bin ahmed. he was a senior adviser to osama bin laden in tora bora. we're talking a military adviser, attacks against americans. once again connections to terrorist groups across the world, assessed as a high risk. he's being sent back to kazakhstan. we're not sure how be guarded or how openly he'll be able to move. he trained at terrorist camps was affiliated with a global jihadist support network. as you can tell governor, these are nasty folks with american blood on their hands that would seek to do more harm if they can. >> yeah, these aren't guys who were just singing too loud in the mosque last week. these are guys hauling around a stinger missile and some uranium is clearly a threat to the

united states and to peace across the world. you though, i'm scratching my head. why are we letting these guys go? and what kind of explanation is the administration giving for the ration gnatale of letting them go? >> when i was there, there were 650 detainees in '04 and '05. today, as you said there are 127. anyone who is swept up in the battlefield is long since gone. the president knows that. but he is obsessed with closing guantanamo bay. he thinks it's too big of a sin that we started it in the first place and it ed nos to be closed. he's not worried about the ram figureses of their release. as has widely been reported on fox news, 30% of these guys are returning to the battlefield, 30%. i guarantee you that number will be higher amongst the hardcore jihadist all-stars that we're releasing now back into the population. they will be lauded as heroes. they will have special networks and connections because of their long time spent at guantanamo bay which makes them even more threatening when they go back.

a lot of them are still in touch through legal advisors because we give them tons of legal support. still in touch with folks in the fight today. they could plug back very quickly into fights in afghanistan or with the islamic state, and that's the real fear here is the president obsessed with closing it with no real plan of what to do with these guys except to get them out of gitmo. >> you know, you were there serving. i went there in 2005. i was shocked at what an elaborate facility it is and how secure, how many billions of dollars we spent building it. is there any reason other than politics that we would close gitmo? do you think this has anything to do with the new relationships with cuba? >> nothing other than politics to do with this. anyone who's been to guantanamo bay sees what a professional facility we have how careful the guards are to observe the islamic preferences of the detainees. clearly our president has never been there. he doesn't know what it's really like. he's with others that believe

it's a gulag. it's far from it. it's incredibly professional. these guys are well taken care of, well fed, greatest medical care. better medical care frankly than a lot of our vets in the v.a. these guys are coddled over. it has nothing to do with their situation and everything to do with politics. and i think maybe the new relations can cuba could be a part of this being a deal -- a sweetener in the deal to normalize relations. maybe we close gitmo altogether. as you know, this president feels like it's a relic of colonialism that we have that naval station anyway. he doesn't take the long view. he looks at sins of the past and is trying to, for whatever reason, do what he can. >> pete, one of the things that i remember the soldiers who were guarding those detainees they weren't fed as well as the detainees. and i don't think a lot of americans understand that you pointed out, they're well taken care of, more so than we ever could have imagined. great having you here. thanks for the update. and good to see you. thank you, pete. >> governor, thanks for

highlighting it. well my next guest was writing about isis before that terror group was making headlines. we'll talk with him next and get the insight. stay with us. we'll talk with him next and

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important news update but you're going to hear it first here, so stay tuned. and remember to be my friend on facebook and follow me on twitter. the links to both are at mikehuckabee.com. the u.s.-led coalition continued airstrikes against isis on new year's day, targeting the terrorist group's strongholds in syria and iraq. my next guest began researching isis for his latest book well before most of us had ever heard of isis. he's a former adviser to benjamin netanyahu. he's also the author of the brand-new book "the third target." joel rosenberg joins us now. joel, great having you here. >> thank you. >> this book is like a prophecy. and i know that, you know you're not pretending to be a prophet, but here's what i find amazing. you were talking about isis in the book researching it, thinking it's years away. it kind of slipped up on everybody, didn't it? i mean this became the big story of 2014. >> that's right. when i began writing "the third

target," i was researching it and writing it last year, 2014, early in the year. remember, it was just a year ago right now that president obama was saying isis was a jv team, you know not an important factor that al qaeda was pretty much defeated and diminished, and we didn't really have to worry. my research and my reporting was different, and i wanted to write a novel rather than an op-ed or a speech taking people inside that world what if isis got chemical weapons inside syria on top of the genocidal conditions they're already creating what more damage could they do? >> you know i find it interesting, your book was fiction. it's a novel. it's based on facts kind of like reading tom clancy. by the way, it's an incredible read. it's one that you're spellbound. but it is like reading the front pages of the paper. when you were writing this, did you think that your fictional story was going to become more like the front page of "the new york times" or "the washington post"?

>> i hoped not. i try to write novels. i think novels have a way of taking you into a world that you would hope to never go into. but in my case i wanted to sort of warn people what could be coming up over the horizon? i sat with a former cia director, jim woolsey from the clinton years. i sat with porter goss, cia director under president bush. i sat with a former intelligence chief in israel. i said what do you guys worry about? what keeps you up at night? you know, four, five, ten years down the road?isis isis. >> they were talking about this before we were hearing the word. >> they were saying al qaeda in iraq was morphing into something more dangerous than the president or others were seeing. then i thought i want to go there. honestly, i thought isis was a five-year-down-the-road big story. so i thought well i'll get out in front of it and write about what could happen. it has moved much faster and much more dangerous, killing christians slaughtering christians, beheading, crucifying, raping girls, enslaving people. it's genocidal conditions that

have emerged in syria and iraq but with chemical weapons a horrific game change. >> why did isis get so powerful so quickly? if you were thinking it was five years away and it pops up in a matter of months, what happened? >> well the main thing that happened was president obama's massive mistake inside iraq, because he thought that al qaeda was on the wane, that was being defeated, and because he thought isis was a jv team, he pulled all our forces out of iraq. everyone -- almost everyone including his own defense secretary, were telling him don't do it because you're going to create a vacuum and iraq's military is just not ready for this. their political structure's just not ready. people told him, he didn't listen. and what we've got now is a system in which the islamic state is being attacked verbally by al qaeda leaders as being too crazy. now, you know, they're saying

don't behead people. when al qaeda looks like the moderate, we've entered a bizarre situation in which really a demonic system is pouring across the middle east. and as somebody who loves the united states, loves israel, our moderate arab ally, we have to stop isis and that's sort of the cry of the book is what happens if you don't stop isis? >> you talk about jordan in the book and the important role that jordan plays in a peaceful middle east. what happens if jordan falls apart? >> it's a nightmare scenario. i went to jordan. i sat with the prime minister, with the foreign minister with the interior minister and some others. the interior minister said is this going to be like a clancy book? i said, i hope. he said, all right, good, sit down take notes. your scenario is what the king appointed me to make sure never happened. and yeah they're very worried. the lebanese are worried. the egyptians. obviously prime minister netanyahu, a mutual friend leading israel they're worried why?

because if the western alliance doesn't stop isis, islamic state, they are going to take over and destroy one country after another. and i think given the problems we have on our southern border, it is not an unreasonable scenario -- i don't write about it in "the third target." it's not an unreasonable scenario to imagine isis terrorists coming in from our southern border to attack here inside the united states. >> that is frightening. well, the book is absolutely outstanding. joel, thank you for being here. coming up, police make life-or-death decisions every day, but do you know how those decisions really affect them? up next, we have a police officer who was involved in a shooting that resulted in a death while he was on duty. he tells us what it's like to walk in his shoes. that's coming up. tells us what to do in

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live to america's news headquarters i'm jackie ibanez. snow and ice falling in the midwest, and it's on a hint of what's to come. numerous accidents in michigan and ohio and a blizzard warning issued for parts of north dakota and minnesota. winds gusting to 40 miles an hour blowing snow that has fallen overnight. arctic temperatures will settle in from the midwest to east coast with temperatures plunging to single digits. and in parts of the midwest, temperatures could fall below zero. and getting ready to examine wreckage of flight 8501. they're hoping to retrieve more bodies and find more clues. meantime, search operations continue. 162 people were aboard that ill-fated flight. so far only 30 bodies have been recovered. i'm jackie ibanez. now back to "huckabee." the police controversies

that led to the deaths of two black men in ferguson missouri, and staten island last summer and the subsequent grand jury decisions not to indict the officers involved have put a big spotlight on police making life-and-death decisions in the blink of an eye. as a governor i had more death penalty cases and execution decisions come across my desk in 10 1/2 years than any governor in arkansas history. but i had weeks, even months, to carefully review every page of the case file before i had to make the decision to order a life taken. that was the toughest decision i ever had to make because it was the only decision that i made that was absolutely irrevocable. but cops have to make that irrevocable decision in a split second. and if they choose wrong, they might end up dead or indicted. so what does it all look like from a cop's point of view? they're the ones putting their lives on the line so we don't have to. heath is a former suffolk

county, new york, police officer. he was involved in a shooting that killed an armed suspect and joins me now. heath, thanks for joining me. >> thank you for having me governor. >> this was early in your career back in 1975. and you faced an armed robber. he had a sawed-off shotgun. he had already used it that day shooting somebody. walk me back through what happened when you confronted him. >> well, we were two officers in separate cars. the other officer rammed the truck. he had stolen a telephone company truck. and we were in pursuit of him through a residential neighborhood. he rammed the truck. it stopped. and he actually had stole the truck. and the robber could not get the truck started again. and we wound -- he stuck the shotgun out the window at the other cop. the other cop started shooting right from there, and i shot from behind. >> so this suspect ended up he died as a result of that. what did you feel, and what did

you have to go through as a police officer involved in a fatal shooting? >> well, first of all, i wasn't even married two months. so it was a new family experience for the two of us right then. it was hours of questioning. lots of paperwork. and the next day, i was back out on the street again working. because the department just didn't know of any newer way to deal with anything at the time. >> was that a good idea, looking back? i mean it's been 40 years now, but looking back was it a good idea to say yeah go right back the next day? >> no, i don't think so. >> so you were going through some -- i guess for lack of a better term, posttraumatic stress from that incident. >> that's exactly what it is. at the time it was called post-shooting trauma. >> and how has it affected you since? i mean, did you continue to have nightmares about it continue to think about it? >> yeshe nightmares i had two nights before -- two nights after the shooting, i was dreaming that friends were dying around me. not of the shooting so much. later on i had nightmares where

the gun wouldn't go off. it wouldn't work in a similar situation or the bullets would come out of the barrel, fall on the ground. >> keith you know, we hear about an incident like what happened in ferguson. where apparently the suspect went after the officer's gun. there was no indictment. i mean, i think when you go after an officer's gun, you have to assume the officer is obliged to protect himself. then in the staten island case with the, you know, the bringing down of the suspect and he ended up dying from collapsing, what people i think failed to understand is, you don't have time to hit the pause button and to say let's stop and think about how we're handling this. let's stop and ask what level of force do we need to use? at that moment, your adrenaline is flowing. you're thinking about i may get killed if i don't take some action. so what goes on in a cop's mind at that point, and help us to understand what you're thinking during that moment.

>> well you're trying to do it the bad part about what they're talking about in a similar situation, say staten island is that it's going to make cops in future incidents think, is this going to happen again? am i going to be in trouble for this? what am i going to do? the hesitation is like you said the seven -- the short period of time to make a split-second decision. it can happen again like that. they could hesitate. >> is it fair that we're seeing this backlash against police officers across the country? >> i don't think so. i think it's rable rousing on the part of certain individuals to make a name for themselves. >> what training should a police officer have to prepare him for those moments that, you know, you don't go to work saying oh, today, i'm going to have a shootout. i'd better really be prepared for this. you think you're going to write traffic tickets or stop a few cars for speeding. the next thing you know you're

pulling your gun out and it's your life or his. >> the night before i was at a party, and some other cop was saying he did this, he did that. i said, well i haven't used my gun in four years and i don't expect to for the next 16. little did i know, 12 hours later, i would be involved in this incident. >> i just don't think we appreciate what you have to do in the short amount of time that you have to do it. and i appreciate very much keith, your being here to remind us that this is not an easy job for the police officers when they're out there on our behalf. thank you, keith. >> thank you for having me. >> thank you. a church-sponsored summer music camp is shut down because they charged a fee just to cover the cost. sounds like another case of the government going overboard with regulating a religious institution, but the church's pastor is not backing down and she's here to tell us why when we come back. huh, fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. everybody knows that. well, did you know you that former pro football player ickey woods will celebrate almost anything?

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legal battle with the city. joining me now is pastor eileen winter of the first presbyterian church and jeremy dice senior counsel of liberty institute. all right, pastor winter this blows my mind. you've got a glee camp for kids that's good for them and helpful, keeps them off the streets, gives them something positive to do. they pay a little bit of a fee, not everything that it costs to just help out with the expenses. were you shocked when the city of auburn came and said well, you're running a commercial operation here? >> dumbfounded. absolutely dumbfounded. >> and if this were to stand, if you weren't willing to fight it, every church in america would be subject to saying they're running a commercial enterprise if they took money to send their kids to summer camp. >> it would set legal precedent which we can't -- that's why we're fighting it partly because we want to make sure that we can continue our own ministry but also because the implications could be national.

>> what has been the reaction of the community? not just in your church family but in the larger community of auburn? >> the larger community is majorly supportive. just really supportive of us. >> you know jeremy from a legal perspective, if this were to stand what happens across the country? i mean, people say, well, i don't live in auburn new york, it doesn't touch me but it does touch them wherever they live if this were to stand. why? >> city governments should not be censoring or zoning out community service. that's the first thing here. and frankly, eileen and her church is on very strong legal grounds as are all the churches that are across the country. frankly, we're seeing this too much across the country where city officials are using laws to somehow bully churches into submission so they can't just worship god and serve their community as they would like to do. you can read about several cases we have ongoing from churches to synagogues, at libertyinstitute.org that we see daily and we'll see more of as the years go by here. but the law is clear. churches in this country are

allow to engage in acts of service in their community and they're certainly allowed to use their own property to be able to worship god and to serve their community. >> now, when the city says you can't do it, they shut you down, did that mean you had to cease having the glee camp? >> we did it. i mean how could we shut it down? >> so you kept on going? >> so we kept on going and figured, you know we would just talk with our lawyer. we have another one in addition to liberty institute. and, you know, just went ahead and started the process, meeting with the city. >> if you lose this case, i don't think you will, but, i mean, if you were to i'm thinking of -- from even something as simple as having a church dinner and saying everybody pay 2 bucks to cover the cost of the food, would that be a commercial enterprise? would that kind of thing -- >> i would imagine somebody could think something like that. >> you know, i find it -- all right, jeremy, when a church is confronted with this kind of a situation where their basic religious liberties are

threatened as happened with the first presbyterian church of auburn, what should that church do? >> they need to go to libertyinstitute.org and get ahold of us, but they need to understand that not only does the constitution protect their fundamental right engage religious liberty on their own church property, but there was a law passed in 2000, it's a long name, the religious land use and institutionalized persons act, or what we call rluipa that protects them on their own property. city officials cannot zone out community service and acts of worship. look, if this city is permitted to own out this act of community service on the presbyterian church on auburn's property they're going to say you can't have the christmas cantata and easter cantata next. we need to make sure that churches have every right to use their property. >> i want to say thank you for being here. but more importantly, pastor winter, i want to say thank you for having the courage to stand up for your congregation and for

your community and for the people because if you didn't, if you were just to say i don't want a bunch of trouble then this kind of thing happens across america. so we all owe you a debt of gratitude for the courage that you have exhibited here. and i wish you the best. >> thanks. >> thank you. coming up i'll be joining one of the hottest new acts in country music. the swann brothers. they'll be performing one of their new hits. that's coming up right after this. go, go, go, go, go! in the nation, misfortune doesn't take a holiday. but add brand new belongings from nationwide and we'll replace stolen or destroyed items with brand-new versions. making sure every season is the season of giving. just another way we put members first. join the nation ♪ nationwide is on your side ♪♪

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stories of amazing people. it has been the ride of a lifetime. and i've never had so much fun in my life. i've met people i with legends in the music business. but i also realized that god hasn't put me on earth just to have a good team or to make a good living. but rather god's put me on earth to try to make a good life. good living. but rather god has put me on earth to try to make a good life. there's been a great deal of speculation as to whether i would run for president and if i were to absolutely ready to rule that out i could keep doing this show. and for us until late in the spring of 2015, but the continued chatter has put fox

news into a position that just isn't fair to them. nor is it possible for me to openly return a political and financial support to justify a race the honorable thing to do at this point is to end my tenure here at fox. as much as i loved doing the show i cannot bring myself to rule out noernl presidential run. but be clear i'm not making that announcement now and my table is what it was before later this spring i agree with fox that is this is the right thing and now is the right thing. part of walking away from a generous paycheck from fox is leaving some of the most-incredible people i've worked with. as i say in my soon to be released book the chairman and ceo of the fox news channel really is the smartest guy in the room. roger ales understands the

success of an organization is that people feel bonded in a common goal and each member of the team builds each other up the critics of fox news will never understand that. but being here has given me the opportunity to serve with not only the most-professional people in the business but without a doubt the nicest people in the business from. our crew who run cameras, work audio and lighting and manage the stage direct the show and edit it, to the people in the makeup room and custodial staff there is enviable camaraderie. a special thanks to my staff who each week worked their hearts out to put together what has been the highest-rated weekend show in the network each week since we've launched they deserve more credit than me

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